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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. But you'll probably get your ear bent for asking the question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Its just a

Yes or No

Vote

The Politics Not Needed

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By *b1BazzaMan
over a year ago

BLACKPOOL

Definitely a Yes from me

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Cheers Fb1Barrie xxxx

Richie (Gman4Gman)

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely yes

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By *IEWMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

village near Forfar

No

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By *addyloverTV/TS
over a year ago

York & surrounding

Yes you are deluded as fabguys have clearly decided that dressers and trans are very welcome here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although personally I'm not attracted to CD/TV/TS they are all still men and are every bit as entitled to be on this site as men who don't dress up or transition from male to female. We all have different preferences, and where would we stop? Let's get rid of all the fattys and have a sister site call flabguys?

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By *olinservingMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

No

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By *affygt61Man
over a year ago

rhondda

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there was, I'd sign up...

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By *ike6999Man
over a year ago

SUNDERLAND

Yes I sign up

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By *D_SuckerTV/TS
over a year ago

Sileby

No and yes lol typical of me. I love being used by men so I love fabguys...but a fabgirls would be good when I'm feeling like some asspussy!

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By *uziTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Yes

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By *ete5050Man
over a year ago

near Ipswich

Yes

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By *oose1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

I agree , but you’ll end with 40% of fabguys on there too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes definitely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes you are deluded as fabguys have clearly decided that dressers and trans are very welcome here "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There should be a time wasters.com

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be a time wasters.com

"

That would crash the internet.

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By *illgossardTV/TS
over a year ago

Abergavenny

It takes all sorts. Aside from polictical correctness allowing us to actually call ourselves ladies everyone here knows we are technically guys.

so then its down to what floats you.

theres a lot of 'gay ' kink that i'm not into but i'll not come here saying the rubber men should go away or the tattoo men need there own place etc etc.

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By *iltopbearMan
over a year ago

fakenham

Surely a Fabgirls site would be for Lesbian and Bisexual women...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. What would it achieve? The site would be practically empty there would be that many moving over to the proposed site. I would say you are deluded. Granted the site *may* have started off the way you are suggesting, but like all things it evolved. There is afterall a reason TV/TS is an option on sign up. Those that dress aren't my thing sexually, but I've had some thoroughly enjoyable conversations with many. Like most threads of this type, most try to be clever or dress it up as "not meaning to offend", but the reality is the underlying meaning is always crystal clear - it's just another way of saying a few want the dressers booted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"TS are all still men "

You may get an argument on that point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"TS are all still men

You may get an argument on that point "

I was aiming to be inclusive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NOPE.

I noticed you said "The Politics Not Needed" but your post is political in its origin.

Too many labels, can't see the need to add more - men who are WHATEVER should be able to use this site without the need to justify their wants and wishes.

Not sure why people find the need to vilify people for not being "Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers..."

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By *ashaTGirl1TV/TS
over a year ago

Erm I am a man, that's why I'm on fabguys. My big cock is a dead giveaway.

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By *irsty bTV/TS
over a year ago

blackpool

Definitely not

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Soz!!

But Maybe I Should

Have Mentioned

I Do Not Have a Problem With TVs TSs CDs

or any Men That Wear

Knickers, Bras n Panties and Admires

( Each to Their Own )

.....

I Just Asked Should

There Be a

Fabgirls. com

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By *ashaTGirl1TV/TS
over a year ago


"Soz!!

But Maybe I Should

Have Mentioned

I Do Not Have a Problem With TVs TSs CDs

or any Men That Wear

Knickers, Bras n Panties and Admires

( Each to Their Own )

.....

I Just Asked Should

There Be a

Fabgirls. com

"

No

we are all men looking to meet other men.

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By *iltsguy79Man
over a year ago

Trowbridge

Guys who dress can be bi or gay. Look at the top liked pictures. Most will be cds/tvs. If you don't like it don't look at cd/TV profiles.

Big fat no for me. Only fab girls should be for bi and lesbian women.

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By *ndycsMan
over a year ago

Southampton

Definitely should be a fabgurls, or whatever you want to call it. However, fabgirls may be a more appropriate name for a lesbians web site.

The idea is good just needs the right name.

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

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By *my-ColetteTV/TS
over a year ago

Luton

I am a man, funny enough I only have sex with men and I'm only attracted to men, which pretty much makes me gay!

So Fabguys sounds perfect to me

On the flip side, it'd be great to have numerous sites, Fabgurls, Flabguys etc...

But who is going to pay for all those new FREE sites? Especially when all the clientele are here on one site.

Flogging a dead horse there mate

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Well Said "Yes"

FLOGGING a DEAD HORSE

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By *ashaTGirl1TV/TS
over a year ago


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

"

Just out of interest, if you had a fabtvs why on earth would a tv sign up to it?

Most tvs don't want to meet other tvs.

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By *usan jonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Just because I dress like this doesn’t mean I’m not gay lol xx

But you’re welcome to your opinion darling I respect that xx

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By *amTV/TS
over a year ago

tesside

Yes from me

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By *oopedMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

100% yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well Said "Yes"

FLOGGING a DEAD HORSE

"

FabNecrophileZooerasts.com ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Definitely a Yes from me "

And me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes you are deluded it’s open to all ,having said that if there was a fabgirls site wouldn’t that be for exclusively lesbian cis women who like other women ?

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By *ildwestheroMan
over a year ago

Llandrindod Wells

Obviously never checked but I have always assumed there might be a lesbian site called Fabgirls. Think the OP would need one called Fabgurls or a more inventive title.

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By *orestfuckaMan
over a year ago

Glos


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

I don’t think you’re deluded by any means and I think you have a valid point. Whilst there is a sister site for all sexes there is no Fab site just for girls/ladies.

Gay and Bi men have a choice to use this site and we even have a network of saunas across the UK and abroad but there is none specific women only Gay/Bi saunas but why not! I had a conversation with my GF on this subject who knows I am on here and frequent saunas. She would gladly do the same for pure girl on girl fun without fearing a meet on our sister site could potentially present an unwanted male partner and an awkward situation.

Good post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

I Belive in Equality For all

Whether

Straight, Gay or Bisexual

(Happy to be Gay)

And If there was a Fab.DOT.com

For Every-1 as my List Above Says..

You can Bet Your Life

The Bi-Curious will be in Every Site

Till its Destroyed By Them

(The Game Masters and Players)

Soz another Debate

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By *avegiorhtcdTV/TS
over a year ago

Grimsby

No

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By *ashaTGirl1TV/TS
over a year ago

Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

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By *RobxMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield HD9


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

"

Hate is a strong word

but saying they are bi curious on profile when they have 10+ veri from meets

most claim to be 'straight'

a lot don't respect that most gay men don't want to chat about women their used knickers or listen to them try to justify why they cheating on their wife nor do gay men need the "oh i feel guilty" now as soon as they have cum.

they are more likey to cancel meets or just not turn up

A lot of gay men like the sensual side to meets kissing body contact and longer meets where most bi curious i have met just want cock play cum and leave before the wife notices they are missing

on here bi curious seems more like a code word for married

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By *RobxMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield HD9


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

"

will also add they are less likey to be tested regular and not on prep nor vaccinated for HepA /HepB/monkeypox etc

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Well Put

"openminded53"

Hit The Nail on the Head

Ref.. The Bi-Curious

and How They Operate etc.

as Said another Debate

There...

Yes HATE is a Very Strong Word

its Not A Word i Use in General...

Granted yes Some Things i Dont Like/Dis-like etc...

Who Does Not Think That Way ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure there was a fabgirls site a few years ago

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By *arly-C-STV/TS
over a year ago

York

Fabgirls is an actual dating site for ...... females, regardless of colour, orientation (gay, bi, bi curious etc), much like fabguys is a site for....males regardless of colour, orientation etc- but its apparent by a lot of responses that a persons'levels of gayness') is a major factor on this all inclusive site.

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By *loppy69ukMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We do have tvchix, which is a good site.

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Well There You Go

How about

Fabtvchix.com

The Gurls can Join and The

Bi-Curious Admirers that State they Have no Level of Gayness Period (lol)

Can Contact/Chat to etc. With a Cock in a Frock....

Problem Solved

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By *hy-GuyMan
over a year ago

Glossop


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

What's the point of this vote? You aren't exactly going to do anything about it are you?

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By *arly-C-STV/TS
over a year ago

York


"Well There You Go

How about

Fabtvchix.com

The Gurls can Join and The

Bi-Curious Admirers that State they Have no Level of Gayness Period (lol)

Can Contact/Chat to etc. With a Cock in a Frock....

Problem Solved

"

Great in principle but im not quite sure it'll solve anything. The majority of the admirers, bi, bi-curious, gay and fans of us gurls on here will most likely follow and the reinvented wheel keeps a rolling, until we all come back here. Safe time, stay here and be friends

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By *arly-C-STV/TS
over a year ago

York

*save time

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By *harlotte SometimesMan
over a year ago

Leamington Spa


"Although personally I'm not attracted to CD/TV/TS they are all still men and are every bit as entitled to be on this site as men who don't dress up or transition from male to female. We all have different preferences, and where would we stop? Let's get rid of all the fattys and have a sister site call flabguys? "

And another one for hairless guys Fabaldies

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By *ashaTGirl1TV/TS
over a year ago


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

Hate is a strong word

but saying they are bi curious on profile when they have 10+ veri from meets

most claim to be 'straight'

a lot don't respect that most gay men don't want to chat about women their used knickers or listen to them try to justify why they cheating on their wife nor do gay men need the "oh i feel guilty" now as soon as they have cum.

they are more likey to cancel meets or just not turn up

A lot of gay men like the sensual side to meets kissing body contact and longer meets where most bi curious i have met just want cock play cum and leave before the wife notices they are missing

on here bi curious seems more like a code word for married "

Well it's not really a strong word, it always amazes me when people say that, hate means an intense dislike, which from your very judgemental answer is a very accurate description.

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By *ildwestheroMan
over a year ago

Llandrindod Wells


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

"

We don't or at least I don't. However if they persist in man-on-man sex after one or maybe two sexual encounters, they should accept they are no longer curious and are now fully bisexual or even gay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

"

will also add they are less likey to be tested regular and not on prep nor vaccinated for HepA /HepB/monkeypox etc"

Wow, what a sweeping statement right there! There are a lot of gay guys that don't fit that criteria and those firmly set as bi that don't get tested, haven't had jabs. Also, Prep is the cure all, I'm not on Prep, but I am careful about my sexual activity and who I play with.

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By *igan4sexMan
over a year ago

wigan


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

We don't or at least I don't. However if they persist in man-on-man sex after one or maybe two sexual encounters, they should accept they are no longer curious and are now fully bisexual or even gay."

Why's that then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually agree after the 2nd meet they're no longer bi curious n infact bisexual, I had one guy tell me was straight with his 66 verifications, some ppl are fkn deluded n live in denial

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By *azzamrMan
over a year ago

Gallowhill near Paisley

It would end up going the way of FabFlirts if anybody remembers that

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By *igan4sexMan
over a year ago

wigan


"I actually agree after the 2nd meet they're no longer bi curious n infact bisexual, I had one guy tell me was straight with his 66 verifications, some ppl are fkn deluded n live in denial "

I've known someone get as far as a committed same sex relationship before deciding that they didn't like the same sex after all.

I agree that 66 veris is definitely not straight but there is no set amount of meets that decide if you are bi or curious. Not least because how far people go on meets can vary.

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By *ick.LuvittMan
over a year ago

travel

Yes.. but I think this site will loose a lot of traffic as it seems the majority on here are tv or tv admirers judging by the most fab pics section. ( not me btw I’m 100% into men men )

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By *ick.LuvittMan
over a year ago

travel


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

"

Yes. Fabhairypantywearer.com

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By *igman4UMan
over a year ago

YORK


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

Not for me I not interested in women or men dressed as women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab.justlooking at pics.com

Fab.never gonna meet. Com

Fab.confused.com

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By *igman4UMan
over a year ago

YORK


"Fab.justlooking at pics.com

Fab.never gonna meet. Com

Fab.confused.com"

Fab wankers.com

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By *en22Man
over a year ago

renfrew


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

"

Fab-i-dont-fancy-men-but-im-on-a-site-for-sex-with-men.com

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By *igman4UMan
over a year ago

YORK


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

Your right lots of men on here don't fancy men but they on a gay web site

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

Fab-i-dont-fancy-men-but-im-on-a-site-for-sex-with-men.com

"

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By *igman4UMan
over a year ago

YORK


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

Your right lots of men on here don't fancy men but they on a gay web site

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

Fab-i-dont-fancy-men-but-im-on-a-site-for-sex-with-men.com

"

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By *ubytuesdayTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

There was once. Had about 10-20 bods on it and most of them were just watchers.

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By *eddyChubMan
over a year ago

Muxton

What about a website for fat people? I'm sure there's plenty of people who would be happy not needing to see our profiles on the site

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By *RobxMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield HD9


"Why do gay guys hate bi curious guys?

Hate is a strong word

but saying they are bi curious on profile when they have 10+ veri from meets

most claim to be 'straight'

a lot don't respect that most gay men don't want to chat about women their used knickers or listen to them try to justify why they cheating on their wife nor do gay men need the "oh i feel guilty" now as soon as they have cum.

they are more likey to cancel meets or just not turn up

A lot of gay men like the sensual side to meets kissing body contact and longer meets where most bi curious i have met just want cock play cum and leave before the wife notices they are missing

on here bi curious seems more like a code word for married

Well it's not really a strong word, it always amazes me when people say that, hate means an intense dislike, which from your very judgemental answer is a very accurate description. "

judgemental? i have been meeting guys for nearly 40 years all i have done is relay my experience of meeting bi curious guys in the past.i have never said either that i hate nor dislike bi curious guys.

just pointed out why some gay men may choose not to want to meet them.

one of last guys i met was labeled as bi curious and i have met him several times .

there a some bi curious guy who respect boundries when meeting who do have very little experience and are great to meet,

you say hate is not really a strong word then follow up with the word intense make your mind up

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By *emanMan
over a year ago

HULL

A definite yes for me

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Hi..

Guys n Gurls

Thanks to you all

for responding to my

Post Subject..

A Mixed Responce of

Yes and No's. (I havent Counted Them Yet)

Also Some Who have given an opinion

on the Subject that Champion to.

Maybe it wil continue a Little Longer

Take Care All and Safe Fabbing

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By *ukesidewaysMan
over a year ago

nuneaton


"Fab.justlooking at pics.com

Fab.never gonna meet. Com

Fab.confused.com"

Made me smile.

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By *ukesidewaysMan
over a year ago

nuneaton


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

Your right lots of men on here don't fancy men but they on a gay web site

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

Fab-i-dont-fancy-men-but-im-on-a-site-for-sex-with-men.com

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a cd and can't understand why all arguments concerning the variations on fabguys seem to come from NORTH of Birmingham,if everyone was agreeing then guys from the south would so put these arguments forward, or maybe its a fact that northern guys don't like southerners, that more to the point, just stay in the north and leave the rest of us alone.

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By *uliette-crossTV/TS
over a year ago

swadlincote

No.

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By *ay12345123Man
over a year ago

Nottingham

Hmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I like both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

Feel Free to start one, see how you get on

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By *erry21TV/TS
over a year ago

Sale


"Its just a

Yes or No

Vote

The Politics Not Needed "

You launched the ‘politics’ the moment you hit your first key stroke!

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By *auraTV/TS
over a year ago

Rugby

No we are staying put get over it.

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By *auraTV/TS
over a year ago

Rugby

Let's have another for muscle bound guy's let's call that one FABGYMAPHOBES.COM

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By *igaz58Man
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea Essex

I'm strictly bottom and I find it difficult to find genuine tops on here, that's my say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. I accept them as part of our community on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, seems weird.

There are many men who like both men as tvcd or just men as men.

I think the key is cock, but maybe I'm over simplifying it....

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Hello Again..

Its Good to See

some Interesting Responses. (Politics or Not)

Random Etc. Etc..

Maybe Going a Bit Off Track.

( I never Mentioned Ditching any-1 from This Site) Fabguys.com

I Purely Said Should There Be a Version

for The Gurls = Fabgurls.com.

Now Some- Mentioned (Bi-Curious Guys)

They Will Go on any Site thats Available

and Eventually Destroy it.

Thats Life as Esther Rancin used to Say

Please Continue with This Post..

Cheers,

Richie (Gman4Gman)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes yes yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes yes yes

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By *nglishMan101Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

I'm surprised they haven't created one by now. Seems there's only one app out there for the gurls that I could find. Surely it'd make them a lot of money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big yes from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before i answer yes or no, do tell- who “should be” paying for and running this alternative site. I’m assuming you are up for taking that on ?

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By *oucan3Man
over a year ago

Telford, Shropshire

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree as a lot of trans don't want to be called a guy plus I would love to find a site with more post op tgirls as they are the amazing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there should be another site Trans people feel secluded enough they have been through so much struggling with their gender identity through their lives and whatever people's sexuality and preferences we should try and be respectful

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By *ack the lad321Man
over a year ago

tralee,killarney

It's a huge yes from me.

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

north west


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

Yeah I agree with you there should be

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By *iscreetfun6947Man
over a year ago

south yorkshire

Definitely YES

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By *i brenMan
over a year ago

Kildare


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO

Yeah I agree with you there should be "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if Fabguys was to be just for gay men, Fabgirls would be for lesbians?

Crossdressers would certainly have no place there??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hello Again..

Its Good to See

some Interesting Responses. (Politics or Not)

Random Etc. Etc..

Maybe Going a Bit Off Track.

( I never Mentioned Ditching any-1 from This Site) Fabguys.com

I Purely Said Should There Be a Version

for The Gurls = Fabgurls.com.

Now Some- Mentioned (Bi-Curious Guys)

They Will Go on any Site thats Available

and Eventually Destroy it.

Thats Life as Esther Rancin used to Say

Please Continue with This Post..

Cheers,

Richie (Gman4Gman)

"
...how will bi curious guys "destroy " any Site they go on"?

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Hi ALL (Ref:- Fabguys-Fabgurls)

i Have Made a Quick

Count on How

Many Votes of

YES or NO

I Added Up :-

----

27 Said YES

15 Said NO

----

A Few Never Said Either Way,

They Rather Gave an Opinion..

And Thats The Politics..

I Said Dont Bother With Politics

(YES or NO only)...

Some Opinions were Direct asking Questions- Sweeping Statements-

and Feelings of Being Critisised of

Belonging or Not Belonging,

There was Some Who atually Had a

Sence of Humour

I was Asked Why:-

The Bi-Curious Will Eventually Destroy This Site.

My Answer is :-

Thats What They Do....

The Bi-Curious - Join Fabguys, Use, Abuse, Play Games, Drop Folk Like a Lead Ballon when Their Fun Been Had, Then When Bored They Terminate Their Profile or Re-Invent a New Profile...

Straight and Bi-Curious is The Same Thing

= Closeted Closeted Closeted Guys/Girls..etc..

Cant Accept Being GAY or Bisexual

XXXXXX

Richie

Gman4Gman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very thorough research 42 votes representing a site of how many users?

You said: "My Answer is :-

Thats What They Do....

The Bi-Curious - Join Fabguys, Use, Abuse, Play Games, Drop Folk Like a Lead Ballon when Their Fun Been Had, Then When Bored They Terminate Their Profile or Re-Invent a New Profile...

Straight and Bi-Curious is The Same Thing

= Closeted Closeted Closeted Guys/Girls..etc..

Cant Accept Being GAY or Bisexual"

My experience is some gay blokes come on here and fuck people about and then leave and start again, it has nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with the persons intent. Game players come in all flavours and your logic is beyond flawed and that's not politics it's a statement of fact.

It's people like yourself that destroy the intent of the site, by sticking wedges into divide that already exists. I say, stick to what you like and leave your politics out of the forums too.

What ever a person assigns themself on here has bugger all to do with anyone but them, if you don't accept or agree with Bi, Trans, TV/CD don't engage - it's not really that difficult is it. There are many tastes on here, some I have no interest in myself but many others love them. It's all about horses for courses.

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By *ypherMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

I think the first thing they need to do is to stop listing TV and TS under the same category.

Just this change will improve things.

A fabgirls would be for lesbians and those transitioning to female. TVs and female admierers shouldnt ne on that site as thats just fabswingers.

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By *ypsumfantasticMan
over a year ago

London

YES

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By *ypsumfantasticMan
over a year ago

London

Good call ??

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By *lasgow verse 60s guyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Think it could be solved by better filters. I have no interest in CDs/TVs or trans guys, but that doesn't make them wrong. If I could stop these people accessing my profile it would save everyone time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think fabguys is all inclusive enough without needing a separate site. Where do you stop? Fabtops, fabbottoms, fabvers, fabcurious?

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By *rs Myvanwy Scarlet-BlackTV/TS
over a year ago

my hot wifey

No but a fab daddy's and the admirers would be good

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By *ill37Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

[Removed by poster at 13/11/22 20:31:29]

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By *ill37Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Why don’t you get the money together and start it yourself !!!

Why would you even begin to asked a question like that… ?

As a gay man like you are or advertise you are and at your age for years you have been asking for equality and rights why are you pushing the TV’s CD’s away you should be welcoming and not even letting it bother you, that question is extremely rude. Shame on you and this question from a man with beer bottles and flags stuffed up his arse …. Lol you couldn’t make it up

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By *tevenorthyorkshireMan
over a year ago

Wetherby

I love a Fab lolly, that chocolate and sprinkles mmmmmmm soooooo sexy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. Dilutes and would be bad business for the owners. Just filter out what you don’t want to see on here. Not at all difficult.

Mountain from mole hill

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By *ilbertMan
over a year ago

Horsham

No - FG says it is for gay and bisexual men - Last time I checked TS, CD, TG also satisfy that membership criteria.

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By *usty knightTV/TS
over a year ago

Istanbul

No- it’s not necessary or desirable, I like the variety, it means I can be greedy for both.

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By *ill37Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Very thorough research 42 votes representing a site of how many users?

You said: "My Answer is :-

Thats What They Do....

The Bi-Curious - Join Fabguys, Use, Abuse, Play Games, Drop Folk Like a Lead Ballon when Their Fun Been Had, Then When Bored They Terminate Their Profile or Re-Invent a New Profile...

Straight and Bi-Curious is The Same Thing

= Closeted Closeted Closeted Guys/Girls..etc..

Cant Accept Being GAY or Bisexual"

My experience is some gay blokes come on here and fuck people about and then leave and start again, it has nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with the persons intent. Game players come in all flavours and your logic is beyond flawed and that's not politics it's a statement of fact.

It's people like yourself that destroy the intent of the site, by sticking wedges into divide that already exists. I say, stick to what you like and leave your politics out of the forums too.

What ever a person assigns themself on here has bugger all to do with anyone but them, if you don't accept or agree with Bi, Trans, TV/CD don't engage - it's not really that difficult is it. There are many tastes on here, some I have no interest in myself but many others love them. It's all about horses for courses. "

So correct

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By *man4Gman OP   Man
over a year ago

South Shields

Hi ALL..

OK i am DONE

With This Subject of Conversation,

A Simple

"YES" or "NO"

is Very Hard for some of You To SAY,

Some Have To Go all Defensive

and Attack, ( Read the Notes )

There Was NO MOTIVE / NO HIDEN REASON, ie:- To Have any-1 Removed from

FabGUYS.com.....

I Just Asked

Would it Be A GOOD Thing or a BAD

To Have a Site Called

FabGIRLS.com. (Obviously a Hard Question for Some To Understand)

Well Done Those Who Said

a YES or NO..

Some Folks on Here Just Like to Cause an Agrument

Via Any Subject,

Happy Fabbing

ENJOY

Who-Ever you are, What-Ever you are, Where-Ever You are, etc. etc. etc. (WHATEVER)

The END

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, you are clearly a prick who has no damn morals you can sugar coat it anyway you like but your meaning was crystal clear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, you are clearly a prick who has no damn morals you can sugar coat it anyway you like but your meaning was crystal clear"

And you know what I dont give a fuck if I get a timeout for this - this has to be said - you mate are everything that is wrong with fab!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

I totally agree, fab girls is a great idea.

Lots of TV and TS ect post here and some many guys are really turned off by that.

Having a separate platform like fab swingers let's people choose more of what they are into, and let's face it, you could easily join all three (if try make a fab girls) and just dip into what ever takes your mood.

In the end it's all about freedom of choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure a lot of the guys here are also on fabswingers anyhows.

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By *oucan3Man
over a year ago

Telford, Shropshire

A big emphatic NO

so much for the hard left and inclusion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Odd that there seems to be a lot of offended no folks here, when they have already separated fab swingers and fab guys, and it catered for bi and trans swingers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably best to accept that everyone has an opinion and here is just a casual chat forum, it's nothing official.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

A lot of the people that meet TV/TS are bi/gay men who present as men.

If they don't identify as a "fabgurl", they won't be on the site.

How then, are the actual "fabgurls" supposed to meet men?

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By *aunchy692021Man
over a year ago

Downham Market

Yes x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lot of the people that meet TV/TS are bi/gay men who present as men.

If they don't identify as a "fabgurl", they won't be on the site.

How then, are the actual "fabgurls" supposed to meet men?"

Well....think about it...same as any site for meeting folk...

It's not ONLY for TS/cd / trans ...

It's for people who specifically want to meet people like that...

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By *ayTTV/TS
over a year ago

Porthmadog

The simplest solution is just to set your filters. There is a lot of intersection between us why don't we just get on and filter out what we are not interested in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *TM4HungDaddies93Man
over a year ago

Barnsley

I thought fabswingers was there to cater for everyone that wasn't on this site anyway? I'm on both and they seem to work well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES! it means we wouldn't have to listen to misogynistic pricks like you waxing lyrical about stuff you clearly have no idea about. the fact that tvs/cds/tss get more attention than you in the chat rooms won't change when we're all gone, you just won't have anyone obvious to pick on any more. and yes, 'deluded' is the understatement of the year.

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By *hfcdevMan
over a year ago

Exeter

And I am glad you are because I love your cock

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By *hy-GuyMan
over a year ago

Glossop

I occasionally like to wear lingerie, should I be on fabgirls? I'm not a girl, but feel sexy dressing in their clothes.

I don't share unless someone appears interested in that, and I reckon I'm manly enough to not be resigned to a sex change imposed on me.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"A lot of the people that meet TV/TS are bi/gay men who present as men.

If they don't identify as a "fabgurl", they won't be on the site.

How then, are the actual "fabgurls" supposed to meet men?

Well....think about it...same as any site for meeting folk...

It's not ONLY for TS/cd / trans ...

It's for people who specifically want to meet people like that...

"

So if it's for both male presenting men and tv/TS then its exactly the same as this site as is. The only way you could have it different was if the male presenting men were not allowed to communicate and meet!

And what about those that want to meet all-sorts of people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

"

Get off your soapbox!!

You have already answered your own futile question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, you are clearly a prick who has no damn morals you can sugar coat it anyway you like but your meaning was crystal clear

And you know what I dont give a fuck if I get a timeout for this - this has to be said - you mate are everything that is wrong with fab!"

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What and spend more money on membership

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By *orvouMan
over a year ago

out and about with work


"Erm I am a man, that's why I'm on fabguys. My big cock is a dead giveaway. "

Wow, it certainly is x x x

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By *hinkTwinkMan
over a year ago

Crewe


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

They've got the pick of the litter on fabswingers.com

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soz!!

But Maybe I Should

Have Mentioned

I Do Not Have a Problem With TVs TSs CDs

or any Men That Wear

Knickers, Bras n Panties and Admires

( Each to Their Own )

.....

I Just Asked Should

There Be a

Fabgirls. com

No

we are all men looking to meet other men.

"

Don't think you will be quoted on the BBC anytime soon x and not that BBC you was thinking it meant tart x

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By *nA - TGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

the Sun


"No, you are clearly a prick who has no damn morals you can sugar coat it anyway you like but your meaning was crystal clear

And you know what I dont give a fuck if I get a timeout for this - this has to be said - you mate are everything that is wrong with fab!"

This. Perfect.

Stop fracturing the basic premise of FabGuys. I really don’t get it. Just filter out what turns you off. Like I try to filter out the transphobic men who lurk behind ‘I’ve got no problem but’.

Open minded inclusive FabHumans please.

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By *onduMan
over a year ago

North Angus

No, I would like a fabold for all the old guys on here so it can filter out the younger lads I actually want to meet?

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By *hynikkifulTV/TS
over a year ago

Essex

Yes there should be a fab girl site for us femme lesbian types girls who are like me with a femme side and only looking for the same.come on you straight or gay men get all the fun let us femme tvs have some of it.

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By *ukesidewaysMan
over a year ago

nuneaton


"I agree , but you’ll end with 40% of fabguys on there too "

I agree with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes there should be a fab girl site for us femme lesbian types girls who are like me with a femme side and only looking for the same.come on you straight or gay men get all the fun let us femme tvs have some of it. "

How can you be femme lesbian when you've got a cock between your legs

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By *herover0512Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Yes there should be a fabgirls site. Im sure there are plent of bi or straight or lesbian women out there who want servicing

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By *tuddy9Man
over a year ago

Coventry/nuneaton


"Hi All...

Who Thinks There Should be a Fabgirls.com

as Well as Fabguys.com

Especially for the Fabgirls.

TVs/TSs, CDs or any Cross-Dressing Trans Gender, and Their Admires...

Am i Deluded That Fabguys.com is For Gay or Bisexual Men That Like Men ( as Men ) and Their Admirers...

Vote on

Should There Be a Fabgirls.com

YES or NO"

Not for the purpose you're suggesting. Fabguys is already fit for purpose.

There may a case to be made for Fabgirls.com for lesbian, bisexual or bicurious girls looking for girls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I'm sure gurls would love that.But I'd say there is a mix of genders on this site anyway.

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By *uperMMan
over a year ago

Honiton

Yes without a doubt. Make life a lot easier, each to their own but why not have the ability to do a specific search?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *mandaWhenDressedMan
over a year ago

around

Can't see the Mrs going on Fabgirls

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By *arpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Yes you are deluded as fabguys have clearly decided that dressers and trans are very welcome here "

I don't mind the collective space at all. There's room for us all however I do feel with the plethora of CD's etc and clearly a market for admirers then would you prefer your own space and if not - why?

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By *arpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

As RuPaul says we're all born naked and the rest is Drag. So wetheryou Masc it up, are strictly Fem and all shades in between - I agree there's room for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes without a doubt. Make life a lot easier, each to their own but why not have the ability to do a specific search?"

You can now, be that for a meet or to _iew photos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FAB LOLLYS AT LEAST YOU CAN LICK IT AND NOT GET ILL WOTH THE TASTENOR SMELL

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By *tevemc69Man
over a year ago

Taunton

Yup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok I get it ---

Saying Should there be a

Fabgirls.com and it Sounds Like its a

Lesbian Site. (To Me it Does NOT),,

The Title

Fabguys.com States on Main Page

...fun,free & fabulous for GAY GUYS

How Outdated is That Then ?

SO...

What about a Full Range..

FabStraights.com

FabGays.com

FabBi's.com

FabTV's.com

FabTS's.com

FabCD's.com

FabT.Girls.com

FabKnickersandBras.com

And The Best One of All

FabBi-Curious.com

DID I MISS ANY OUT IN THE LIST ?

SOZ if I DID

"
FAB LOLLYS

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By *ouise951Man
4 weeks ago

Ennis

Yes there should be a fabgirls and fabcrossdressers as well

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By *ianca del MonteTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Somewhere nr Reading


"

Just out of interest, if you had a fabtvs why on earth would a tv sign up to it?

Most tvs don't want to meet other tvs. "

Ahem ...

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By *riogMan
4 weeks ago

STOCKPORT

I say YES.

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By *ewi1964Man
4 weeks ago

Albufeira Algarve

Yes

However, a better filtering system might help! Personally, I only want to meet men and read stories just involving men! One of my pet hates getting involved in a new storyline suddenly discover a dressing or female dimension! It just does nothing for me!

I am sure this site could be developed so that it can remain inclusive, but allow greater flexibility in searching.

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By *iss TTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Durham


"Well Said "Yes"

FLOGGING a DEAD HORSE

"

Maybe you could start a site for that x

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By *ndiesguy200Man
4 weeks ago

naas

No

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

Yes.

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By *zaxzCouple (MM)
4 weeks ago

Chesterfield

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

I have had some thoughts on this, for some time.

Fabguys - men looking for men who are masculine and identify as men. All talk of women, women's clothing etc., banned.

Fabflirt - women looking for men and men looking for women. All talk of same sex stuff banned. Singles only. Couples banned.

Fabswingers - singles and couples. No single men pretending to be MF couples, with absentee female partners who've been missing for ten years. Countered by mandatory photo verification (date added to the text that needs to be written) of couples every one/two/five years? Probably no need for a Fabflirt in this case. I did think, maybe make Fabswingers a couples only site, swinging was just couples swapping partners wasn't it? But a lot of couples now look for threesomes too, rather than other couples, so there's a clear need for singles on there. I guess it's easier to find a F or M both of the couple like, but finding another couple that both of the original couple likes is infinitely harder? I don't know, I'm not into relationships so I'm not well versed on this one.

Fabdressers - HPWs/CDs/TVs and their admirers. If biological women aren't allowed on here, why is so much talk about them allowed? Some of the TVs on here put in so much effort that they are extremely convincing. Some have had pictures rejected on the basis that they look like women and women aren't allowed on here.

Inclusion is great, but so is having your own dedicated space where you can take a break from everything else and just focus on what you're into, with like-minded people.

Inclusion, to the point of making the very people that the space was traditionally intended for (this is very much the case with Grindr), feel marginalised and ostracised, is not really inclusion. It's sort of displacement of one group for the comfort of another. That's really not inclusivity.

Bisexual and gay men who only really want to meet other masculine men are being marginalised in all of their traditional spaces. Scruff, originally aimed at rugged, ultra masculine, hairy, men and their admirers, let's women sign up now. Grindr lets literally everyone sign up, but the grid is still extremely limited. Their Google Play rating has nose dived over the last two years, but they don't care, there's no viable alternative to them, so they have us over a barrel...for now.

Fabguys still displays the tagline '...fun, fabulous and free for gay guys.' We shouldn't have to sift through an ocean of stuff about women, which female celebrity they're wanking over today, pics labelled as 'male' but fully dressed and mislabeled on purpose for exposure, or to get around message filters.

A lot of pictures in the pubic galleries are mislabeled as 'male,' instead of 'TV/TS,' and many profiles run as fully dressed (even to the extent of using a profile nickname like Laura or Jane) TVs, mark themslves as 'male' rather than 'TV/TS' to get around message filters.

Just make this current website Fabdressers and launch a fresh Fabguys that truly only is for guys to meet guys, dressed and presenting as guys, and then those of us who want our own space can migrate and the established HPW/CD/TV community and their admirers don't need to move from here.

The HPW/CD/TV community might feel quite happy and comfortable here, but many bi and the gay guys who only like masculine men aren't comfortable with being marginalised in what was traditionally a dedicated space for us. I'd be happy to move to a dedicated site for men to meet men (which this was supposed to be and still claims to be) and I'd upgrade to support that site, if it was actually enforced that time.

I think the lines are all too blurred here and it does cross over into real life.

I've always made it very clear that I'm not attracted to anything feminine, yet guys think they can push these boundaries and disrespect my sexual preferences in person - I think - because they're empowered on here by it being so widespread and popular today, to the point that being gay and masculine and only looking other masculine men, seems like a crime.

I've had more than one meet where I've turned up and they've been dressed, despite clearly telling them I'm not into it and them saying it's fine, they can do male mode, and only agreeing to meet them on that basis (now, because of that, if I know someone dresses, even if it's not in front of me, I won't even meet them, because there's no guarantee they'll stick to what we agreed, as has happened quite a few times now).

Chatted to one guy for 30 minutes and when it came to getting undressed, he was like 'I hope you don't mind,' unbuttoned his jeans, peeled them back and had suspenders on. Yes. Yes I did mind. I was livid. It was a clear violation of what we'd agreed and I'd never have driven there had he told me he intended to go against what we'd agreed. It must have been discussed and agreed in three different places.

Had another guy, very bizarrely - not sure if it was like an 'f you' act of defiance - pull a pair of knickers from under his pillow and throw them in my face as we were shagging. I didn't have time to digest it before 'what the f do you think you're doing' just blurted out and I got up and left.

I think we need a site for guys like me that only like masculinity and where the lines can be unblurred and everything is straightforward, focused and very specific again.

Masculine men who only like other masculine men are still common, we deserve our own space. We had our own space. In the name of inclusion, a lot of sexually incompatible groups have been merged into one single space, with very limited and insufficient filtering systems. It's not working. They might feel happy and included, and that's great, but then other groups feel pushed aside and, whilst it's definitely 'each to their own,' I don't want to be logging in every day to a flood of posts and gallery pics of dressers and messages from dressers marked as 'male' to get passed the message filters. I just want to look for and meet other men who are masculine.

It's easy for people to say 'just scroll past' it, but they clearly have no idea how in your face, repetitive and time consuming it is to get through and past it all with the limited tools we have.

So yes. A dedicated site for men to meet men who present as men please.

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