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"How would that stop timewasters? If someone gets off on wasting other peoples time, then paying to be a member ain't gonna stop ‘em. " I guess it would stop them to a certain degree, if cancelling their profile also lost them the money they’d just paid | |||
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"Some people just dont want to pay and have it leaving a 'paper trail', and why should they? Other than the ability to add few more pics daily and the ability to watch vids or use the chatroom, what difference would it make to anyone else? The best thing about this and its sister site, is that it actually free unless you want those extras. " Problem being that it costs real money to run any site, and without any paying members the site would close. And they do offer a variety of different ways to pay, some of which are anonymous (for the closet or paranoids) at a very reasonable price compared to other sites. | |||
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"Some people just dont want to pay and have it leaving a 'paper trail', and why should they? Other than the ability to add few more pics daily and the ability to watch vids or use the chatroom, what difference would it make to anyone else? The best thing about this and its sister site, is that it actually free unless you want those extras. Problem being that it costs real money to run any site, and without any paying members the site would close. And they do offer a variety of different ways to pay, some of which are anonymous (for the closet or paranoids) at a very reasonable price compared to other sites." I agree which is why I pay, however if the site was initially a pay only site I wouldn't have signed up and simply paid as I wouldn't be able to see what it was like.. those sites that have you sign up for free then cant see profiles or get messages are pointless... hence the success of both these sites.. | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. " ![]() | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. ![]() Disagree with that. I know people who have left the site because of the way some people on here act. And I know that there are others who are thinking about leaving. I’m concerned that the actions of some on here are eventually going to be the death of the site, I mean how long will it last if the paying supporters all leave because the non paying people turn it into something the paying members see no value in continuing with, and that is already happening. | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. " So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? | |||
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"So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? " To put it bluntly- Yes, if that talk isn’t compatible with the purpose of this site. Go and read the login screen “…fun, free & fabulous for gay guys” “a free to use website for gay and bisexual men” “Find genuine fellas who do meet” What is the point of bi men coming here to talk about their wives/gf that should be on the swingers site. This is for man on man action. Just because you can post something doesn’t mean that you should. Use a bit of common sense. | |||
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"I'm a non paid up member.And use this site correctly no abuse or Mickey taking.But mate if you want to give out your credit card details that's up to you." There are ways to pay without giving your credit or debit card (phone or text messaging for example) or using a card indirectly you can use PayPal. | |||
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"This is a great site compared to what's out there, I understand the OP's frustration, it's best to just fuck the time wasters off, set your filters and learn to recognise all the red flags. Messers are gonna mess I'm afraid. ![]() Trouble is if the non paying users actions put off too many paying users and they leave, the site could become unsustainable financially, in which case it would end up closing down. You only have to look at the responses from some people things like “I’ll post what I like” that they don’t care what the result of their intransigence could be. I know people who have already left for this reason. This is what some people fail to realise | |||
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"How would that stop timewasters? If someone gets off on wasting other peoples time, then paying to be a member ain't gonna stop ‘em. I guess it would stop them to a certain degree, if cancelling their profile also lost them the money they’d just paid" leaving the site offcouse loses you your money what a stupid statement. | |||
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"Should introduce a time frame to meet and get verified, that would show your on site to meet not just piss people off, say 12 weeks and you are removed from site and can't rejoin for another 12 weeks, " Problem with this point though is that timewasters are not just free members, the majority of timewasters ive had are gold and silver. So a deadline to meet is a lot of pressure. | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. ![]() This ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() From what i have read the owners/admin are not going down the route of someone needing to pay to use the site. Admin have provided message filters to stop 'newbies', 'non site supporters' from messaging profiles. Use the message filters and let the site work for you ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() I could show you profiles that, despite being created by repeat profilers who never meet anyone, have paid gold memberships, and/or are photo verified. Charging every user will not stop the time wasters. Some of them don't mind wasting time (time is money, baby), electricity, nor money, when annoying genuine site users. | |||
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"There’s no correlation between having a free account and being a time waster. I’ve been jerked around by paid up members much more than my member has been jerked by non-paying guys. " Clearly the site owners recognise and operate a business model that works insofar as that some features are free and some extras are paid for. If, as has been alleged with NO independent evidence (a bit like what Trump does really) that people are leaving because of the topics discussed in the forums, those in the know would address that. Obviously then, as one can post about wet sloppy multiple cum filled cunts, it’s not an issue for the site owners or administrators, only those who wish they could prevent such posts. They can’t. They can seeth in their impotent bile. | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. " it's advertised as a site for gay and bi men and not strictly for man on man action | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. it's advertised as a site for gay and bi men and not strictly for man on man action " [f you want a gaping fanny then bugger off to fabswingers, sure theres more there for you to ogle and wank over. | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. it's advertised as a site for gay and bi men and not strictly for man on man action " The more talk there is of wives the more the site will attract fee paying bisexual men. It’s actually a money maker rather than a money loser. There will always be those who are desperate to control what others can or can’t say. Keyboard evangelicals. Weak men in real life. | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. ![]() So who are the non paying members you are upset with? | |||
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"Well you only seem to be here to try and start arguments with everyone else - that seems to be how you get your jollies, so go and troll someone else because I’m not going to respond to you on this or any other forum. 👋🏻" With respect, you are the one trailing arguments around threads. You have a common trait of not wanting to see anything different to you and you expect people to just accept that and go away. It’s very unpleasant and your attitude towards people different to you is likewise. The difference is no one is trying to silence you, just explaining that your nastiness is just that. If you don’t like other people’s conversations, don’t get involved. But if you are going to post ignorant opinions and try to silence others, expect push back. | |||
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"If you don't want to read about wife related chat, don't click on it. For some its helpful to offload. I'm not alone in this situation. Its support to bi men" Well said, it’s not something I subscribe to or find particularly enjoyable to read, but it’s not for me, so I can go to other conversations that I do enjoy. There are plenty of them. | |||
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"or simply go into messages and block people who aren’t site supporters " but that involves reading how the site works! | |||
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" … what happens now is that both the reporter and the accused get a black mark against their name. 5 marks and you get a temporary ban, 10 marks longer etc..." What on earth are you talking about..?!?! | |||
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"I've been messed about and had my time wasted by as many if not more paid members as I have by non paid members. Some people are going to be timewasters regardless. Don't take it personal and move on." Agree with this, it's all part of the process, and surely you start to get an inbuilt feeling for time wasters... I think the verification process is excellent, I always look for Veri's even above photos, as it generally shows that they do or have actually meet. Other point, 95% of time wasting is only at the messaging stage, so no big problem, in 8 years I've only had two arranged meets where they haven't shown up, I can live with that | |||
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"I think the thread may have been set up for slightly different purposes than the headline and the responses may be horribly disappointing to the OP and their supporter(s)." I don’t think that’s correct at all. The title chosen summed up the opening post. The OP wrote in the opening that “paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect” which certainly does not stand up to scrutiny… and that of those here “free of charge” they “are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others” which is also often proven to be incorrect. Sweeping comments without foundation. The OP felt that making everyone pay would magically solve the problems he’s had with the site. [Spoiler alert: it won’t. ] | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. " Where is all this wife talking happening that's so damaging to the site? I only see it in the forum- and I don't get why that's a problem. | |||
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" … what happens now is that both the reporter and the accused get a black mark against their name. 5 marks and you get a temporary ban, 10 marks longer etc... What on earth are you talking about..?!?!" LOL having a crazy hair moment i think LOL The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars. But i could just go back and have a bad hair day, yeah might do that.... | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. Where is all this wife talking happening that's so damaging to the site? I only see it in the forum- and I don't get why that's a problem." It’s not at all damaging. It’s a feature that attracts paying bisexual men. Some people don’t seem to be able to ignore a post they don’t want to read and only want discussed in the forum, topic that they agree with. They have failed. On the plus side, checking the little green areow means people can make a more holistic view of people and block the trolls who use the forums to spread dismay and dissent. Have a look and see if they post anything happy or encouraging or pleasant. It’s a subtle but useful filter. | |||
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"Should introduce a time frame to meet and get verified, that would show your on site to meet not just piss people off, say 12 weeks and you are removed from site and can't rejoin for another 12 weeks, " so let's get this right if for various personal reasons I can't get to meets I should be banned for twelve weeks regardless of wether I pay or not. | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. " hear hear. | |||
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"...if for various personal reasons I can't get to meets I should be banned for twelve weeks regardless of wether I pay or not." How very dare you come on here and pay and not meet. It's a slippery slope... What next tho? Buying food and not eating it? Buying a car and not driving it? Buying a jumper and never wearing it? Some people! Just to clarify. I typed this in the Ironic font...lol | |||
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"I think the thread may have been set up for slightly different purposes than the headline and the responses may be horribly disappointing to the OP and their supporter(s). I don’t think that’s correct at all. The title chosen summed up the opening post. The OP wrote in the opening that “paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect” which certainly does not stand up to scrutiny… and that of those here “free of charge” they “are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others” which is also often proven to be incorrect. Sweeping comments without foundation. The OP felt that making everyone pay would magically solve the problems he’s had with the site. [Spoiler alert: it won’t. ] " You could well be right, I detect some other undertones which may be magnified in my view than others. I agree with your appraisal. | |||
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"Some people just dont want to pay and have it leaving a 'paper trail', and why should they? Other than the ability to add few more pics daily and the ability to watch vids or use the chatroom, what difference would it make to anyone else? The best thing about this and its sister site, is that it actually free unless you want those extras. Problem being that it costs real money to run any site, and without any paying members the site would close. And they do offer a variety of different ways to pay, some of which are anonymous (for the closet or paranoids) at a very reasonable price compared to other sites." the sister site has club reviews but this site does not they should have something like that | |||
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" … I only see it in the forum- and I don't get why that's a problem..." People who participate in the Forum believe everything revolves around them and they are typical of the site as a whole. [Spoiler alert: it doesn’t and they’re not…] | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… " That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! | |||
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"or simply go into messages and block people who aren’t site supporters " The obvious solution. | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! " Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. hear hear." I agree. Those who want to censor other site users should be called out and reported by as many others as possible for inappropriate use of the forums. | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. hear hear. I agree. Those who want to censor other site users should be called out and reported by as many others as possible for inappropriate use of the forums. " Isn’t that censoring them? 🤣 | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. hear hear. I agree. Those who want to censor other site users should be called out and reported by as many others as possible for inappropriate use of the forums. Isn’t that censoring them? 🤣" Censoring by consensus | |||
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"The site isn't being ruined. The OP clearly has issues with people who just won't do what he wants. hear hear. I agree. Those who want to censor other site users should be called out and reported by as many others as possible for inappropriate use of the forums. Isn’t that censoring them? 🤣" Nope, admin will decide whether or not they are breaking site rules. I, for one, am not going to be silenced by people who don’t like bisexual men or what they post on the forums. | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 " I know the law of vexatious litigation. Would you class someone who reported to FabGuys that xxx didn’t show up for a meeting with them as a vexatious litigant..? I’m not sure this is a terribly useful parallel… | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 I know the law of vexatious litigation. Would you class someone who reported to FabGuys that xxx didn’t show up for a meeting with them as a vexatious litigant..? I’m not sure this is a terribly useful parallel…" Maybe not vexatious but there are certainly disingenuous people on this site who would love the ability to accuse for no reason and something would need to prevent them ! | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 I know the law of vexatious litigation. Would you class someone who reported to FabGuys that xxx didn’t show up for a meeting with them as a vexatious litigant..? I’m not sure this is a terribly useful parallel… Maybe not vexatious but there are certainly disingenuous people on this site who would love the ability to accuse for no reason and something would need to prevent them !" Glad someone could see the parallels. | |||
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"Which comes back to the OP’s original comment that perhaps the site should only have subscribers on it to filter out the free loaders, or if not then severely reduce the functionality for those that don’t want to pay like other sites do (limited messages, no viewing pictures, no posting in forums). Also put a block on all the wife/gf talk, this is supposed to be a site for man on man action and the irresponsible ones are going to end up killing the site off. " Killing the site .... Wonder how long it would last without the paying bi-guys money !!! | |||
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"If your an unpaid member you shouldn't be aloud to message,simple." Why? What would be the point in joining then? | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 I know the law of vexatious litigation. Would you class someone who reported to FabGuys that xxx didn’t show up for a meeting with them as a vexatious litigant..? I’m not sure this is a terribly useful parallel… Maybe not vexatious but there are certainly disingenuous people on this site who would love the ability to accuse for no reason and something would need to prevent them ! Glad someone could see the parallels." *sighs deeply* But this is not my proposal. If you actually bother to read the thread carefully, I’m calling the system proposed by another user where you give black marks to other profiles a fucking stupid idea. In typical FabGuys Forum style, we’re now having an arcane discussion about red herrings. There already exists a system to report a user profile, to report a message sent to you, to report any of the posts in this thread. You tick the type of issue and as necessary add further details and the FabGuys moderation will evaluate each report on a case by case basis. One of the things you can report clearly is when people do not show up for an arranged meet. If a user is someone who gets persistent reports about arranging meets and never showing, this can be flagged up to FabGuys… if other people actually bother to use the existing report function instead of typically screaming about that user in a status update or taking to the Forum to gnash their teeth. What exactly is wrong with the current system of making a report about another user? What has any of this to do with vexatious litigation? What has any of this to do with whether you pay for the site or not and this premise that somehow non-paying users are ruining the site? | |||
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" …The trouble with a black mark system against a users name is that it could be abused and peeps unfairly targeted. So by giving the accuser a mark too, then you reduce the occurances of malicious intent, and the liars… That would be, quite literally, insane. Why would you introduce a system of whistle-blowing that immediately penalises the whistle-blower?! No one would ever report any infringement on the site. Who thought that one up… Rachael Reeves?! Actually that does exist in the legal system - look up vexatious litigants - and no it wasn’t Rachael Reeves who brought it in as I doubt very much that she was alive in 1896 when the “Vexatious Actions Act 1896” was introduced - unless she is the living dead. 😵 I know the law of vexatious litigation. Would you class someone who reported to FabGuys that xxx didn’t show up for a meeting with them as a vexatious litigant..? I’m not sure this is a terribly useful parallel… Maybe not vexatious but there are certainly disingenuous people on this site who would love the ability to accuse for no reason and something would need to prevent them ! Glad someone could see the parallels. *sighs deeply* But this is not my proposal. If you actually bother to read the thread carefully, I’m calling the system proposed by another user where you give black marks to other profiles a fucking stupid idea. In typical FabGuys Forum style, we’re now having an arcane discussion about red herrings. There already exists a system to report a user profile, to report a message sent to you, to report any of the posts in this thread. You tick the type of issue and as necessary add further details and the FabGuys moderation will evaluate each report on a case by case basis. One of the things you can report clearly is when people do not show up for an arranged meet. If a user is someone who gets persistent reports about arranging meets and never showing, this can be flagged up to FabGuys… if other people actually bother to use the existing report function instead of typically screaming about that user in a status update or taking to the Forum to gnash their teeth. What exactly is wrong with the current system of making a report about another user? What has any of this to do with vexatious litigation? What has any of this to do with whether you pay for the site or not and this premise that somehow non-paying users are ruining the site? " ==================== Sorry im that other user and that was my fault, i posted this as an alternative, mainly in frustration that discussions like this tend to go round in circles. However the system that is employed by fabguys does not in my oppinion appear to work, that is in the case of reporting individuals for not turning up to arranged meets. And because fabguys has a no response to messages policy, were left in the dark as to how effective that system is. I know personally of certain peeps ive reported in the past and know that others have reported that profile to, yet they still are in the site. So there is no evidence that it works. | |||
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" … ==================== Sorry im that other user and that was my fault, i posted this as an alternative, mainly in frustration that discussions like this tend to go round in circles. However the system that is employed by fabguys does not in my oppinion appear to work, that is in the case of reporting individuals for not turning up to arranged meets. And because fabguys has a no response to messages policy, were left in the dark as to how effective that system is. I know personally of certain peeps ive reported in the past and know that others have reported that profile to, yet they still are in the site. So there is no evidence that it works… " The efficacy of the current reporting system - and the community’s confidence in it - is certainly another matter. As you rightly say, the policy of no site response to any reports or cases means you feel completely uncertain whether the problem has been understood and will be addressed. What I have found is this: I often see people in my friends list or hotlist bemoaning “12345xyz is a fucking timewaster” etc. I often ask try to find out more. When I ask, did you actually report 12345xyz, they invariably reply, oh there’s no point reporting someone here as no one does anything about it. Well, that doesn’t betray a lot of confidence in the system. But at the same time, if people aren’t reporting 12345xyz, then FabGuys is not seeing 12345xyx flagged up. | |||
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" … ==================== Sorry im that other user and that was my fault, i posted this as an alternative, mainly in frustration that discussions like this tend to go round in circles. However the system that is employed by fabguys does not in my oppinion appear to work, that is in the case of reporting individuals for not turning up to arranged meets. And because fabguys has a no response to messages policy, were left in the dark as to how effective that system is. I know personally of certain peeps ive reported in the past and know that others have reported that profile to, yet they still are in the site. So there is no evidence that it works… The efficacy of the current reporting system - and the community’s confidence in it - is certainly another matter. As you rightly say, the policy of no site response to any reports or cases means you feel completely uncertain whether the problem has been understood and will be addressed. What I have found is this: I often see people in my friends list or hotlist bemoaning “12345xyz is a fucking timewaster” etc. I often ask try to find out more. When I ask, did you actually report 12345xyz, they invariably reply, oh there’s no point reporting someone here as no one does anything about it. Well, that doesn’t betray a lot of confidence in the system. But at the same time, if people aren’t reporting 12345xyz, then FabGuys is not seeing 12345xyx flagged up. " There is an easy fix to this though and it could be in the form of single page which shows the stats actions taken by admin, listed infringments followed by number of infractions in the last week and the last 24 hours. Showing minimal information it might be enough to show that complaints are reviewed at the very least would help i think. | |||
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" However the system that is employed by fabguys does not in my oppinion appear to work, that is in the case of reporting individuals for not turning up to arranged meets. And because fabguys has a no response to messages policy, were left in the dark as to how effective that system is. I know personally of certain peeps ive reported in the past and know that others have reported that profile to, yet they still are in the site. So there is no evidence that it works. " When people report it does mention you won't hear anything back but the report does get looked into and dealt with if verified. That can be a combination of a first warning/ sanctions/ disable. You won't see any of those sanctions as "evidence" except for a disable as that will look like a blocked profile when looked at. It certainly doesn't mean nothing has been actioned. | |||
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" However the system that is employed by fabguys does not in my oppinion appear to work, that is in the case of reporting individuals for not turning up to arranged meets. And because fabguys has a no response to messages policy, were left in the dark as to how effective that system is. I know personally of certain peeps ive reported in the past and know that others have reported that profile to, yet they still are in the site. So there is no evidence that it works. When people report it does mention you won't hear anything back but the report does get looked into and dealt with if verified. That can be a combination of a first warning/ sanctions/ disable. You won't see any of those sanctions as "evidence" except for a disable as that will look like a blocked profile when looked at. It certainly doesn't mean nothing has been actioned. " Thank you for explaining. As I say above, it’s not FabGuys’s fault if people don’t bother to report infringements or report on people who are arranging to meet and then muck about, and then just say, it’s not worth reporting it because they won’t do anything. | |||
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"Timewasters have money too. You can block non site supporters from mailing you here.https://www.fabguys.com/my/filters You should also report anyone asking for or offering money/ not turning up for your meet/ abuse etc. If you just block the person Admin can't deal with it. mike " PS only general chat is allowed about females more than personal stories/ comments about females so report those too so they can be looked at | |||
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"it’s not FabGuys’s fault if people don’t bother to report infringements or report on people who are arranging to meet and then muck about, and then just say, it’s not worth reporting it because they won’t do anything. I wouldn’t say that was a fair assessment. Not trying to get at anyone, as it is not something limited to FabGuys, and is one of perception (right or wrong) if something happens and you report it and nothing “appears” to be done and the same thing keeps on happening, that is why people then say that “it just isn’t worth reporting”. " Talking about this site it does say you won't hear anything back after reporting so people assuming nothing is being done is not a fair assessment either. | |||
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"Talking about this site it does say you won't hear anything back after reporting so people assuming nothing is being done is not a fair assessment either. I know it does, but just pointing out the unwanted side effect which is the reason that people then can’t be bothered to make further reports, it is an observation on human nature in the absence of feedback or visible change." Agreed, I would add to this point, if you have been a victim of bad behaviour or attempts at bullying or abusive messaging and you don’t see the outcome of your complaint, it feels as if nothing is being done and no support is forthcoming, it thus feels that the site does nothing to address that sort of thing. | |||
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"Agree completely, just not interested in women, lingerie etc and strange political rants" Just avoid plenty of others here like yourself | |||
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"So many f**kong idiots just here like any other sites or social media platforms just messing people about.make it all pay or piss off time wasting tight cntus 😂😂😂" What a brilliantly insightful contribution 🤣 | |||
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"Eh? It's a dreadful boring site!" That’s why we are here! Thanks for livening it up | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() there are hundreds of paid members on here who are time wasters asking about meets.. getting the others guys address etc and never turning up to meet and play there are no ways of sorting them out at the moment from genuine guys who meet.. i only meet guys with verifications i can read.. too many hide behind webcam veri's to mess guys about.. | |||
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" … i only meet guys with verifications i can read.. too many hide behind webcam veri's to mess guys about.. " This is a very valid point. I also don’t trust any green tick ✅ until I can read what created it. I don’t think some users here appreciate that a profile “verified by meeting” ie ✅ might not actually have ever met another man for sex in real life. I once had a guy fess up to me that he was only talking about meeting in the hope I would cam with him instead. That came out after I said that I wasn’t going to engage further until he could demonstrate that he met off here in person and displayed his verifications. | |||
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"Some people just dont want to pay and have it leaving a 'paper trail', and why should they? Other than the ability to add few more pics daily and the ability to watch vids or use the chatroom, what difference would it make to anyone else? The best thing about this and its sister site, is that it actually free unless you want those extras. " A paid member can also remove photos from a message they sent. Very useful. | |||
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"I agree Webcam verification should Not exist , i always post every verif i get Good or Bad its the Opinion of those who actually met you in person , wanking on a laptop with another guy doing the same IS NOT WORTHY OF A VERIFICATION , its just bollox by-passing the verify process and allowing those cheating the whole idea of being verified, if i spot webcam on most of a guys verifs hes blocked as either a picture collector or just another laptop wank pest … if you actually meet in person your worthy of considering, if your on here over a year No picture No verified meets it should be automatic ban of the Device you used for being on site , its not rocket science even a Tgirl Bimbo like Me can see the faults on here Having said that Ive been a gold member for 13 years i do love Fab but i have blocked over 600 dickheads that still leaves 80% of yummy people to play with …shut up Kelly ok mummy just being nice to the Boys ![]() “…shut up Kelly ok mummy just being nice to the Boys…” Not at all, Kelly. Important to have your contribution as a longstanding Fab user, well verified profile, and absolute realist about how the site works. | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() time wasters will be around no matter what. Some paid members are worse and only pay so they can watch other people's videos etc so it really wouldn't make a difference. Have you tried adding the filter where newbies and unverified people can't message? Helps a little but you'll still get them 🤷 | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() I have been on here since 2011, and never been a timewaster, yours is just an elitist attitude, I honestly have no idea if any of the men who have "Wasted my time" on here over the last 14 years were "Paid up members" or not, I didn't even know there was a way you could tell. | |||
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"I agree with _awih , ive come across a few Men offering their wives on here its a male Same sex site , ok im a tgirl i have a willy and so does my Top girlfriend have a bigger willy ( not fair is it ) but wtf are men doing offering their wives fanny on a Gay guys site… so like the bitch that i am i actually reported those incidents to Admin , and the wankers on here that only use this site to encourage the weak to message them on Twatsapp , sorry Mr Dawih i couldn’t reply privately to your post because you blocked people of my Gender from messaging you … so forgive me for being a dirty Tgirl kiss kiss ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Some strong feelings here. I don't pay attention to who is a paid member or not. Some people don't have as much money as other people." But then how are you meant to make yourself out to be better than other people? | |||
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"Quite agree, so many blank profiles, and talk about wives/GF’s on a man on man site is putting people off - especially paying members. Site has gone down hill because of this over the past year IMHO. Which is a shame really, as this was a good site, and available at a very reasonable price. Had some interesting conversations with some people, but getting a bit pee’d off with a certain troll." Well said. I admire you. | |||
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"Quite agree, so many blank profiles, and talk about wives/GF’s on a man on man site is putting people off - especially paying members. Site has gone down hill because of this over the past year IMHO. Which is a shame really, as this was a good site, and available at a very reasonable price. Had some interesting conversations with some people, but getting a bit pee’d off with a certain troll. Well said. I admire you." What part do you admire? | |||
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"Fabguys has been a breath of fresh air with guys seeking to meet. I appreciate the fact that us paid up members use the site correctly and treat with respect. However more and more guys are on here free of charge and some constantly creating new accounts on a daily basis. These are the time wasters just so sad sitting at home and pestering others. 💯✔️👍 I simply wish that Fabguys would make the site for paid up members and stop those time wasting returnees from wasting others time ![]() | |||
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"After 13 years on here im not bad at spotting timewasters and to be Honest its the timewasters Loss cos hes not getting in my knickers, The thing i find infuriating is the Poor excuses for not turning up .. Granny Just Shit Herself …The Goldfish has Covid … Sorry i Missed the Train Kelly… & he lives in my road … Daft git . But those kind of Numb Nuts are few and far between, its annoying that i spend 2 hours douching another hour in makeup &Dressing for a Man who lets me down in Favour of his Goldfish FFS. But again its his loss i will go meet anyone online who fancies a poke in the whiskers lol" The thing is, timewasters can be paid up members or non payers - what they will get off on is knowing that you, for example, have taken a great deal of your own time and effort to get ready and possibly travel to a non existing meet. They like wasting peoples time and will pay for the opportunity. It was’nt his loss - he gained what he wanted - you wasting time. Good for you if you had a Plan B or backup. | |||
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"So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? To put it bluntly- Yes, if that talk isn’t compatible with the purpose of this site. Go and read the login screen “…fun, free & fabulous for gay guys” “a free to use website for gay and bisexual men” “Find genuine fellas who do meet” What is the point of bi men coming here to talk about their wives/gf that should be on the swingers site. This is for man on man action. Just because you can post something doesn’t mean that you should. Use a bit of common sense." Perhaps you yourself should follow your last paragraph above rather than be so abusive to other users who don’t agree with your opinion. | |||
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"So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? To put it bluntly- Yes, if that talk isn’t compatible with the purpose of this site. Go and read the login screen “…fun, free & fabulous for gay guys” “a free to use website for gay and bisexual men” “Find genuine fellas who do meet” What is the point of bi men coming here to talk about their wives/gf that should be on the swingers site. This is for man on man action. Just because you can post something doesn’t mean that you should. Use a bit of common sense. Perhaps you yourself should follow your last paragraph above rather than be so abusive to other users who don’t agree with your opinion." Let them go and post it on mums.net then see what sort of reaction they get there. It is about posting on an appropriate site. Now it seems some of them are even bringing their wives with them. | |||
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"So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? To put it bluntly- Yes, if that talk isn’t compatible with the purpose of this site. Go and read the login screen “…fun, free & fabulous for gay guys” “a free to use website for gay and bisexual men” “Find genuine fellas who do meet” What is the point of bi men coming here to talk about their wives/gf that should be on the swingers site. This is for man on man action. Just because you can post something doesn’t mean that you should. Use a bit of common sense. Perhaps you yourself should follow your last paragraph above rather than be so abusive to other users who don’t agree with your opinion. Let them go and post it on mums.net then see what sort of reaction they get there. It is about posting on an appropriate site. Now it seems some of them are even bringing their wives with them." You must have a very empty life | |||
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"This website is for gay and bisexual men and others - it says so and there’s also the option to choose which you are on ones profile so trying to argue this site is for gay men only is wrong. Bisexual men can post whatever they like on the forum as long as it’s within the rules. Some people don’t like this but are impotent to make the change they want. A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. " I don’t think you understand. This was once a pure land. Now it is polluted with them. | |||
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"This website is for gay and bisexual men and others - it says so and there’s also the option to choose which you are on ones profile so trying to argue this site is for gay men only is wrong. Bisexual men can post whatever they like on the forum as long as it’s within the rules. Some people don’t like this but are impotent to make the change they want. A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. I don’t think you understand. This was once a pure land. Now it is polluted with them." You sound like a proper bigot 🥱🥱🥱. "Polluted with them" ? Almost Nazi language 👿 | |||
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" A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. " I mentioned females. Wife / GF chat as in want to talk about her sexually in private and forum or swop pics etc is not allowed. A general chat about females is fine. | |||
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" A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. I mentioned females. Wife / GF chat as in want to talk about her sexually in private and forum or swop pics etc is not allowed. A general chat about females is fine. " It is nice to see admin get involved in Forum . Wish it was often so that people could get straight their information from forum rather than the complicated procedure that site never answered or goes to the air , no one has come back to my suggestions ever.. it will be nice to get a reply saying ‘at least a yes or no answer / possibility , how long ??? | |||
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" A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. I mentioned females. Wife / GF chat as in want to talk about her sexually in private and forum or swop pics etc is not allowed. A general chat about females is fine. " Ah right ![]() | |||
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"This website is for gay and bisexual men and others - it says so and there’s also the option to choose which you are on ones profile so trying to argue this site is for gay men only is wrong. Bisexual men can post whatever they like on the forum as long as it’s within the rules. Some people don’t like this but are impotent to make the change they want. A fabguys moderator has made it clear in a thread that general chat about wives is allowed as a forum subject. I don’t think you understand. This was once a pure land. Now it is polluted with them. You sound like a proper bigot 🥱🥱🥱. "Polluted with them" ? Almost Nazi language 👿" Jesus fucking Christ. Learn to spot sarcasm when it rattles you around the face. | |||
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"You can see how many of them also left the site after giving nasty comments to other members . Who are you talking about..??" You should review the comment above. It discussed non-site members with temporary accounts who come to the forum, leave unpleasant comments, and then exit. | |||
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"You can see how many of them also left the site after giving nasty comments to other members . Who are you talking about..?? You should review the comment above. It discussed non-site members with temporary accounts who come to the forum, leave unpleasant comments, and then exit." I did review the comment above. When someone leaves the site the status of their membership - be it paying or non-paying - is obviously no longer shown to us. The duration of their membership is now no longer discernible as their profile is removed. Unless you are constantly monitoring Forum members actively as they post and noting down details if they are a gold or silver member and also recording details of how long their profiles have been active, then it is only guesswork that they were all “non-site members with temporary accounts”. Are you recording this information on us all as I type..? Several users who have deactivated their accounts in threads where I have contributed were certainly site supporters at the time they were posting. So this is a sweeping assumption and incorrect. So much of this thread is based on assumptions and personal whimsy. | |||
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"Time to give this Topic a well deserved rest. Everything has been said on both sides of the discussion and nothing has changed " If that was ever exercise every forum would shut down almost overnight. Constantly going round and round with the same pish is their stock in trade. | |||
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"It can be irritating but thats the way of social media. Police it yourself and dont look at what you dont want to look at. But ... limiting nonsubscribers to 5 or 10 a day would help. " The people needing limited to 5-10 a day are all site supporters. | |||
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"Don't forget you can report people for making an arrangement with you and not showing up... Where does it say that on FG?" Might be covered by item 2 in the FAQ’s under “ If someone is being a problem you can also report using "Report Profile" link on their profile page.” | |||
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"i have tried to be a member of fab guys but my bank rejects it " Have you tried using PayPal. £30 for getting on for a year. I’ve not had a problem paying that way. | |||
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"So you want to restrict what bi guys can talk about? To put it bluntly- Yes, if that talk isn’t compatible with the purpose of this site. Go and read the login screen “…fun, free & fabulous for gay guys” “a free to use website for gay and bisexual men” “Find genuine fellas who do meet” What is the point of bi men coming here to talk about their wives/gf that should be on the swingers site. This is for man on man action. Just because you can post something doesn’t mean that you should. Use a bit of common sense. Perhaps you yourself should follow your last paragraph above rather than be so abusive to other users who don’t agree with your opinion. Let them go and post it on mums.net then see what sort of reaction they get there. It is about posting on an appropriate site. Now it seems some of them are even bringing their wives with them. You must have a very empty life" Nope, quite a happy life except those trying to spoil a good thing because they can’t exercise better judgment. | |||
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