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"Agree don't want to go near them." What are you riddled with? | |||
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"Take responsibility for your own sexual health, and not of that of others!" Exactly. | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" And how would you deal with someone like me who has both Bareback and Safe Sex on their interests..? Because how I have my sex depends on real-time, real-life discussion and arrangements with the other party or parties, not meaningless blanket search options. You can only control how you have your sex with a second party. You have no control nor responsibility for how a second party interacts with a third party. Nor would that be healthy. That way madness lies. I can never understand if these paranoiac threads are kicked off by general naivety or disingenuousness. And when you start looking through the verifications of the “no to bb” and “I’ll never meet someone who has bb listed or has ever met someone who is into bb” frothers, you always find a verification from someone who does bb or has met someone else who does. Every time. | |||
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"Take responsibility for your own sexual health, and not of that of others!" THIS !!!!!! BRILLIANT POST | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" please elaborate and inform how you can’t manage you’re own search and sexual health but asking to block those with bb ? Educate yourself | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" Can also we have the option to block people who don’t BareBack Some of them are delusional sucking cock without a condom thinking they are safer than people who BB Most of us are tested regularly and take prep some of us even take Doxyprep for added safety | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV." You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. " Exactly this, I get checked regularly and I’m on prep, if a guy wants to fuck me safe that’s fine too. | |||
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"Surely it’s a very simple concept. Saving time and energy by excluding guys from your search who bb. They might not play safe but if they don’t, they’ll know that was a condition of meeting so they’ll be wasting their time." Did everything in this thread pass you by…? | |||
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"Is it possible" Is it possible - Yes. Will it happen - to date I can’t think of a single user suggested enhancement that has been taken on board and implemented, so I would say probably not. | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. " You can theoretically catch several STDs from giving/recieving BJs but the odds of doing so are v small, especially relative to the risk of transmission in unprotected anal. Gonorreah is the big risk through oral. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex" Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. You can theoretically catch several STDs from giving/recieving BJs but the odds of doing so are v small, especially relative to the risk of transmission in unprotected anal. Gonorreah is the big risk through oral." BJ is only one type of oral sex and the number of STIs capable of being transmitted through oral sex is higher than through anal sex. The level of risk varies amongst individuals, but increases for anyone with cuts, sores, lesions, etc. HIV transmission is almost zero if properly using PrEP and it seems that some types of bacterial infection are reduced with doxyPEP. Gonorrhoea vaccinations are helpful in reducing risk. Of course, the best sources of information are available directly through NHS and other reputable organisations and not through third parties on this site  | |||
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"I have caught syphilis (twice), gonorrhea, and chlamydia, all while I was practicing safe sex. So it was all through oral sex. Luckily, because I listen to my body, I always found out straightaway, and I never transmitted these to anyone. I have never caught anything while doing bareback, which I started 8 months ago when I started taking Prep. Fight the real enemy: that's people who never get tested, because they claim that "safe fucking" protects them, and because they are so far in the closet that they are finding Christmas presents. " If you caught syphillis twice through oral you are a medical marvel. Some GUM doctors go tgeir entire careers and see a handful of oral syphillis cases. Transmission rates for giving oral to someone with syphillis are 1% and much lower for recieving. Chlamidya is pretty rare and as I said Gonoreah pretty common. Everyone should get tested. Everyone should look after their own sexual health. I just find it odd when people try and suggest oral is somehow equally risky as unprotected anal. It really isnt. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex." https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hiv-and-aids/ Causes of HIV infection HIV is most often spread by having vaginal, anal or oral sex with someone who has HIV, while not using a condom. Think I’ll go by what the NHS say. | |||
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" … Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex..." There is proven case of transmission from a man with a high viral load ejaculating into the mouth of someone with very poor dental and gum health. (Neither should have been doing what they were doing in their health circumstances, but that is besides the point.) There is a very strange repeated positioning in these threads - always by bi men - that provided they rubber up for anal they are otherwise invincible. It’s an a priori propter quid reasoning built around making themselves feel secure. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hiv-and-aids/ Causes of HIV infection HIV is most often spread by having vaginal, anal or oral sex with someone who has HIV, while not using a condom. Think I’ll go by what the NHS say." By all means. But as an NHS doctor I can tell you that statement is ultra conservative and based on a theoretical and not actual risk, which is so slim to be non existent if you are recieving, and virtually unheard of if you giving. Think how many bjs take place every day, both standalone and as part of other sexual fun. If it was a viable path of transmission HIV would be much more prevelant, and we would certainly all be aware of people who became HIV positive in that way. | |||
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" … Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex... There is proven case of transmission from a man with a high viral load ejaculating into the mouth of someone with very poor dental and gum health. (Neither should have been doing what they were doing in their health circumstances, but that is besides the point.) There is a very strange repeated positioning in these threads - always by bi men - that provided they rubber up for anal they are otherwise invincible. It’s an a priori propter quid reasoning built around making themselves feel secure. " I would be interested in reading more about that case if you have a link. But.... you think one case, in what sounds like perfect transmission circumstances, is evidence againt my argument transmission is unlikely? | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hiv-and-aids/ Causes of HIV infection HIV is most often spread by having vaginal, anal or oral sex with someone who has HIV, while not using a condom. Think I’ll go by what the NHS say. By all means. But as an NHS doctor I can tell you that statement is ultra conservative and based on a theoretical and not actual risk, which is so slim to be non existent if you are recieving, and virtually unheard of if you giving. Think how many bjs take place every day, both standalone and as part of other sexual fun. If it was a viable path of transmission HIV would be much more prevelant, and we would certainly all be aware of people who became HIV positive in that way." "… as an NHS doctor…"  🤔🤯 | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" 1. Are you really asking fab guys to pay programmers to create another tickbox, let's say if it's a softcoded software, just because you don't like BB sex? And what about other guys who aren't fans of the word 'pussy'? 2. Let's say fab guys do you a favour and make it available for you; then, if people who are into BB sex and forget to check that box, you'd still see them. | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" Before these type of posts got common, I used to read and get amused at their ignorance. But now read, smile and wonder how many STD's they are riddled with. They are blinded by the false security of a Tick in the Box on a profile lol. Personally stay on Prep and take all the various vaccines available, get tested regularly and so far in the 40 years Plus, only infected by Chlamydia. Yes lol Very lucky but also use common sense as to who I allow to do me BB. Common sense, sadly, gone out the window for most. | |||
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"Funny, isn't it? When these anti-bareback threads appear, it is nearly always married men cheating on their wives who implicitly criticise bareback sex. Even with a condom, you could still give your wife pubic lice. Would she be alright with that so long as you said you used a condom?" Well , we enable them on here anyway and they enable each other with ignorant opinions. They need a good visit to a sexual health clinic so they actually understand STI's better. Half them don't even realise oral without a condom is bb. The dancing around common sense here is tragic tbh, even when the wording we use - bi porn, bi sex,. Some of us may be bi on here . But, there's only men on here. 2 men having sex is gay sex, a man sucking a dick is gay sex. You're a bi man but It's a gay website. The closest thing to a woman on here are all the men wearing knickers and that's gay too. And yes it is quite ironic. Lie to the wife about having sex with men (gay sex), but expect random men on the internet to identify if they use protection and more importantly IF GET REGULARLY CHECKED/TESTED. You could wear a condom 99/100 but 3 years ago you caught something and you have no idea because you are too scared to get checked (and that's not including the oral sex without condoms. This is the reality they don't want to hear. And it's sad. I would hate to live in that paranoia and fear. However, I think the idea is fine. Let them filter out people who bb. The small minority of people left are probably lying too but whatever makes them happy | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite." I think that part of the point is that if you don’t get tested and don’t have any symptoms but are infected, that increases the risk for the person who’s cock you have in your mouth or your tongue up their arse and could infect them. | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite." You told us earlier in this thread you were “an NHS doctor”. No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats. | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite. You told us earlier in this thread you were “an NHS doctor”. No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats. " What would you say are the bald (I assume you mean bold) assertions I have made? I can assure you medical profesionals are always bold in their assertions! | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite. I think that part of the point is that if you don’t get tested and don’t have any symptoms but are infected, that increases the risk for the person who’s cock you have in your mouth or your tongue up their arse and could infect them." That's quite literally the point. So many never get tested unless they show symptoms. The head in the clouds approach that doesn't work. Of course oral is statically lower risk - but 100 dick sucking sessions later and you still havnt tested. Probability is gonna bite you. And who knows how many you've infected. There's nothing warped about pointing out the hypocrisy of "filtering out bareback" but then engaging in bareback oral sexual activity with people. And those people have likely engaged in other forms of bareback sex- possibly even in the same day  .
It's a fallacy.
Hey, here's a fun fact. Diagnoses of hiv in recent years in the UK have actually been higher at times in people identifying as "straight" than gay or bi.
Well, I could go into detail on why but you can just read what I said above and roughly apply that or you can Google it yourself.
My advise: You can try dodge the barebackers but that's like finding a needle in a haystack. You're better off going with people who are honest about their sex history and get regularly tested. And if you can convince someone to use a condom - all the better. As has been said, you are responsible for your own sexual health.
And at the end of the day - most stis are fairly harmless and are merely an inconvenience - a side effect of the fun games we play - risk Vs reward. If stis take up a lot of your thinking time , it's probable something you should talk to a professional about. | |||
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"Christ. Stop the mental gymnastics and go talk to a clinic doctor. "i get tested every quarter. Why do you think that pointing out the relative risk of sexual activities means I dont test? | |||
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"Christ. Stop the mental gymnastics and go talk to a clinic doctor. i get tested every quarter. Why do you think that pointing out the relative risk of sexual activities means I dont test?"Look buddy I wasn't even talking about oral sex transmitting hiv. I was pointing out that people don't test because they think they are "low risk" based on varying factors and you twisted what I said. Hiv was "the gay disease" so straight people have become complacent - which is just one factor in the numbers increase. But it's relevant to the above comments about BB. Anyway, I'm not interested in continuing this now. You can twist what I said whatever way you want. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex." Precisely When you think of all the men routinely swallowing cum in here and all those other men - and women - out there doing the same, STIs should be at epidemic level if oral was a good route to catch things It isn’t. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. Precisely When you think of all the men routinely swallowing cum in here and all those other men - and women - out there doing the same, STIs should be at epidemic level if oral was a good route to catch things It isn’t. " I think you'll find that chlamydia and gonorrhea are pretty flippin common! | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite. You told us earlier in this thread you were “an NHS doctor”. No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats. What would you say are the bald (I assume you mean bold) assertions I have made? I can assure you medical profesionals are always bold in their assertions!" No… I did not mean bold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion | |||
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"This last post is a sign for how warped peoples views on STIs are because they deal in absolute and often theoretical risk and not relative, and therefore actual, risk. Unprotected oral sex is statistically low risk (but not without risk) for all STis and bare back anal is high risk for all STIs. Thats an established scientific fact based on years of clear research. To equate oral sex and bb anal as equal in risk, as the poster above does, is false and dangerous. Everyone is responsible for their own sexual health and needs to decide their own appetite for risk. But my advice would be to research relevant risks of the different activities in deciding that appetite. You told us earlier in this thread you were “an NHS doctor”. No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats. What would you say are the bald (I assume you mean bold) assertions I have made? I can assure you medical profesionals are always bold in their assertions! No… I did not mean bold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion " fair enough.so what assertions are you referring to? | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. Precisely When you think of all the men routinely swallowing cum in here and all those other men - and women - out there doing the same, STIs should be at epidemic level if oral was a good route to catch things It isn’t. I think you'll find that chlamydia and gonorrhea are pretty flippin common!" actually pretty uncommon to detect either in the throat. | |||
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"If you think that 4 or 5% of the population walking around with gonorrhea in thier throat is uncommon, i dread to think what you'd think is common. " where on earth did you read that stat. Source? | |||
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"Sorry checking they have not clicked both safe sex and bareback" Folks will simply stop selecting it when they set up their profile. Considering most men will and do bareback, even if they select safe sex without selecting bareback as well, the filter is of little value. | |||
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"You're a doctor you say, you dont need people to give you sources, you have a plethora of your own. But, you do make an assumption that as you are a doctor your knowledge is superior to everyone else's. Its not. You see it from your own point of view. Many people, me included, are very involved in the world of sexual health. We know plenty and plenty you would never even see. We know, you know and everyone who works in sexual health clinics know, that the vast majority of people have no contact ever with a clinic, yet a massive proportion are unknowingly carrying asymptomatic stis, many of whoch will clear up on thier own over time. Your knowledge is based on what you see as a doctor, so when you're only seeing a tiny percentage of the population (who have reason to go a clinic anyway) your stats and knowledge kinda become nonsense spin based solely on diagnosed cases. We know that gay men are far more likely to go get tested due to lifestyle and successful promotion campaigns, so that number of cases of always swayed. The people not getting tested are the problem and the problem is not the responsible people who take prep, get tested, and choose to fuck bareback. Responsible barebackers aren't the scapegoat for irresponsible straight and bi individuals they would like them to be. Barebacking is not the equivalent of small boats." so long story short, you posted a bullshit stat suggesting circa 3m people had an indiagnosed STD and you cant back it up. | |||
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" You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. You can catch HIV with oral sex, it is just that the risk is much lower than Anal or vaginal sex Hi. There isnt a single documented case of HIV being transmitted to someone in reciept. There are a few of it being transmitted to someone giving, but they are questionable and the risk of transmission is considered so low as to almost be theoretical in nature. In HIV terms oral sex is safe sex. Precisely When you think of all the men routinely swallowing cum in here and all those other men - and women - out there doing the same, STIs should be at epidemic level if oral was a good route to catch things It isn’t. I think you'll find that chlamydia and gonorrhea are pretty flippin common! actually pretty uncommon to detect either in the throat." Not sure if it is uncommon but I got it once years ago in the throat | |||
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"You're a doctor you say, you dont need people to give you sources, you have a plethora of your own. But, you do make an assumption that as you are a doctor your knowledge is superior to everyone else's. Its not. You see it from your own point of view. Many people, me included, are very involved in the world of sexual health. We know plenty and plenty you would never even see. We know, you know and everyone who works in sexual health clinics know, that the vast majority of people have no contact ever with a clinic, yet a massive proportion are unknowingly carrying asymptomatic stis, many of whoch will clear up on thier own over time. Your knowledge is based on what you see as a doctor, so when you're only seeing a tiny percentage of the population (who have reason to go a clinic anyway) your stats and knowledge kinda become nonsense spin based solely on diagnosed cases. We know that gay men are far more likely to go get tested due to lifestyle and successful promotion campaigns, so that number of cases of always swayed. The people not getting tested are the problem and the problem is not the responsible people who take prep, get tested, and choose to fuck bareback. Responsible barebackers aren't the scapegoat for irresponsible straight and bi individuals they would like them to be. Barebacking is not the equivalent of small boats. so long story short, you posted a bullshit stat suggesting circa 3m people had an indiagnosed STD and you cant back it up." I dont need to back it up. Its not a bullshit stat, but unless you decide to get off your doctor soapbox, which purely relies on stats of people who get tested, you'll not see beyond that. Global stats about the suspected prevalence of undiagnosed STIs are widely available. Most doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals in the sexual health field talk about them, so I'm quite surprised you're not aware. Perhaps you're a doctor of statistics? As they would say "it's the untested we need to worry about". | |||
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"… Lol you do love shifting the goalposts in an attempt to hide your ignorance… So thats two bullshit stats. Do we make it a hattrick?… " Hmm, I love your bedside manner. How long have you been a public-facing, healthcare NHS professional..? | |||
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"We should indeed all get tested. But people have different risk levels in between tests so understanding the relative risks of various acts is helpful." If you don't put yourself to the test, you're really taking the biggest risk, in my view. The moment you have a cock in your mouth, that's when the risk kicks in, and you won't realise it until you get tested. I take daily prep and have received all the vaccines for gonorrhea, monkeypox, and more, and I test myself regularly, but I'm still not completely safe, which is why I keep up with regular check-ups. Plus, I never ask others about their status because I know it's often not reliable. | |||
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"Nobody did that though did they? But you did say gonorrhea in the throat is pretty common. And then said its not. Make your mind up for heavens sake, you're a doctor after all, apparently 😆 Its a good job nobody on the post about filters was actually looking for advice." Doctor? 🤔🤥 | |||
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"Nobody did that though did they? But you did say gonorrhea in the throat is pretty common. And then said its not. Make your mind up for heavens sake, you're a doctor after all, apparently 😆 Its a good job nobody on the post about filters was actually looking for advice." Just read through all of my posts again. In none of them do I say gonnoreah in the throat is pretty common. So you have managed to achieve the bullshit hattrick. Congrats. | |||
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"… Hence why it’s good to understamd the different risks and why its not helpful to wrong suggest the risk of all sexual acts is the same…" It’s certainly very sensible not to conflate different sexual health risks when some acts are proven to be more of an STI risk than others (unprotected anal IS more of a STI risk than unprotected oral). I can’t see anyone in the thread denying that. It’s also eminently unwise to downplay the risks of unprotected oral sex as some de minimis factor. I participate in a sexual health forum with a clinic in West London. Their current major concern amongst men who have sex with men is that whilst many of those who have unprotected anal sex are getting regularly tested (and thus any unprotected oral sex transmissions are also flagged), those who have anal sex with condoms are not getting regularly tested even though those same men will have oral sex unprotected. | |||
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"… Hence why it’s good to understamd the different risks and why its not helpful to wrong suggest the risk of all sexual acts is the same… It’s certainly very sensible not to conflate different sexual health risks when some acts are proven to be more of an STI risk than others (unprotected anal IS more of a STI risk than unprotected oral). I can’t see anyone in the thread denying that. It’s also eminently unwise to downplay the risks of unprotected oral sex as some de minimis factor. I participate in a sexual health forum with a clinic in West London. Their current major concern amongst men who have sex with men is that whilst many of those who have unprotected anal sex are getting regularly tested (and thus any unprotected oral sex transmissions are also flagged), those who have anal sex with condoms are not getting regularly tested even though those same men will have oral sex unprotected. " How cum this is more measured, accurate and literate than the doctor's 'contributions?' 🤔 | |||
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"… Hence why it’s good to understamd the different risks and why its not helpful to wrong suggest the risk of all sexual acts is the same… It’s certainly very sensible not to conflate different sexual health risks when some acts are proven to be more of an STI risk than others (unprotected anal IS more of a STI risk than unprotected oral). I can’t see anyone in the thread denying that. It’s also eminently unwise to downplay the risks of unprotected oral sex as some de minimis factor. I participate in a sexual health forum with a clinic in West London. Their current major concern amongst men who have sex with men is that whilst many of those who have unprotected anal sex are getting regularly tested (and thus any unprotected oral sex transmissions are also flagged), those who have anal sex with condoms are not getting regularly tested even though those same men will have oral sex unprotected. " Exactly. It is the apparent minimising of certain risk to vilify the other that is the major problem for clinics to get a handle on. Too many guys assume they are safe because of this childish, foolish and ignorant concept being spouted by people who should know better. | |||
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"Others can read what you said. For those who can't be arsed to go back and read (and I can perfectly understand why you wouldn't) you said gonorrhea in the throat is the big risk, and you then said that gonorrhea is pretty common. A 'doctor' flip-flopping around here is nothing we've not seen many times before. It is comedy gold." Relative risk. Thats the heart of this whole debate. Its the big risk for oral, but is still very low risk relative to anal. Blows my mind people cany get this. | |||
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"OK, I don't believe a doctor would EVER post this: "Chlamidya is pretty rare and as I said Gonoreah pretty common."" Direct quotes from the American Sexual Health Association (run by doctors). "Gonorrhea is one of the most common oral STIs". "Oral chlamydia infection is uncommon. Unlike gonorrhea, the bacteria that cause chlamydia do not grow or survive very well in the mouth and throat" Source info: https://www.ashasexualhealth.org/oral-sex-stis/ | |||
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"OK, I don't believe a doctor would EVER post this: "Chlamidya is pretty rare and as I said Gonoreah pretty common."" Some doctors even know how to spell the infections they’re treating. | |||
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"Apologies- Dr H Handsfield is the GUM doctor if people want to look him up. Phone garbled it." I preferred Dr H Hsmdsfield. He reminded me of Dr Bunsen Honeydew in the Muppets. On whose same level your own supposed medical qualification now stands. | |||
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"Apologies- Dr H Handsfield is the GUM doctor if people want to look him up. Phone garbled it. I preferred Dr H Hsmdsfield. He reminded me of Dr Bunsen Honeydew in the Muppets. On whose same level your own supposed medical qualification now stands. " Excellent refutation of all the information posted above. Well played! | |||
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"Apologies- Dr H Handsfield is the GUM doctor if people want to look him up. Phone garbled it. I preferred Dr H Hsmdsfield. He reminded me of Dr Bunsen Honeydew in the Muppets. On whose same level your own supposed medical qualification now stands. Excellent refutation of all the information posted above. Well played!" It probably surprises many of us that a self-confessed NHS doctor with such a supposed authority in British sexual health has to resort to copying and pasting screeds of the American Sexual Health Association from online sources. | |||
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"OK, I don't believe a doctor would EVER post this: "Chlamidya is pretty rare and as I said Gonoreah pretty common." Direct quotes from the American Sexual Health Association (run by doctors). "Gonorrhea is one of the most common oral STIs". "Oral chlamydia infection is uncommon. Unlike gonorrhea, the bacteria that cause chlamydia do not grow or survive very well in the mouth and throat" Source info: https://www.ashasexualhealth.org/oral-sex-stis/ " My skepticism was about YOUR actual post, not the content copied from the ASHA website! Your post contained two spelling errors and "pretty rare" is not the same as "uncommon." BTW, why quote from an American website, especially nowadays when, unfortunately, all sorts of kooks permeate American health organisations.
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"So basically you cant refute it. Thanks for confirming." At no point have I tried to refute any ASHA website content! | |||
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"So basically you cant refute it. Thanks for confirming." I am not aware that anyone is disputing or trying to refute any medical evidence cited here. The thread has, unsurprisingly, refocused on your determined effort to downplay the risk of STI spread from unprotected oral sex and your supposed credentials in doing so. I just repost a comment I made above: “No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats.” You aren’t who you claim yourself to be. The Forum has enough pretendy nonsense on it without a Walter Mitty doctor figure added to the mix. | |||
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"So basically you cant refute it. Thanks for confirming. I am not aware that anyone is disputing or trying to refute any medical evidence cited here. The thread has, unsurprisingly, refocused on your determined effort to downplay the risk of STI spread from unprotected oral sex and your supposed credentials in doing so. I just repost a comment I made above: “No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats.” You aren’t who you claim yourself to be. The Forum has enough pretendy nonsense on it without a Walter Mitty doctor figure added to the mix. " Perfect, so you agree with the medical expert I cited, who states that: "Regardless of the biological reasons, it works out that oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex: much lower transmission chance for all STDs than vaginal or anal sex, and virtually zero risk for some. HIV and chlamydia are rarely if ever transmitted by oral sex, so much so that if vaginal and anal sex could be eliminated in humans, both of these would rapidly disappear; oral sex is not efficient enough to sustain" Thats the crux of my argument. So if you dont refute that then fine. Although do feel free to carry on the personal attacks because you dont like what I say, even though you dont actually seem to disagree with the evidence for it. | |||
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"So basically you cant refute it. Thanks for confirming. I am not aware that anyone is disputing or trying to refute any medical evidence cited here. The thread has, unsurprisingly, refocused on your determined effort to downplay the risk of STI spread from unprotected oral sex and your supposed credentials in doing so. I just repost a comment I made above: “No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats.” You aren’t who you claim yourself to be. The Forum has enough pretendy nonsense on it without a Walter Mitty doctor figure added to the mix. Perfect, so you agree with the medical expert I cited, who states that: "Regardless of the biological reasons, it works out that oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex: much lower transmission chance for all STDs than vaginal or anal sex, and virtually zero risk for some. HIV and chlamydia are rarely if ever transmitted by oral sex, so much so that if vaginal and anal sex could be eliminated in humans, both of these would rapidly disappear; oral sex is not efficient enough to sustain" Thats the crux of my argument. So if you dont refute that then fine. Although do feel free to carry on the personal attacks because you dont like what I say, even though you dont actually seem to disagree with the evidence for it." You're desperately commenting and spouting nonsense to be proved right. The fact ys that there is always risk. People need to take responsibility for themselves and go get tested. Speak to the healthcare professionals in that field and not listen to someone googling USA websites for their info. | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" can we block overweight men and anyone with piles hanging out of their arse? | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results? can we block overweight men and anyone with piles hanging out of their arse?" What???????!!Overweight men have lots of fans . Cmon don’t try to ruin our day. | |||
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"Forgive me for my naivety but if someone has an STI and you give them oral or rim their ass Is there still a chance you can catch a STI" Yes! | |||
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"Forgive me for my naivety but if someone has an STI and you give them oral or rim their ass Is there still a chance you can catch a STI" Yes you can . | |||
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"So basically you cant refute it. Thanks for confirming. I am not aware that anyone is disputing or trying to refute any medical evidence cited here. The thread has, unsurprisingly, refocused on your determined effort to downplay the risk of STI spread from unprotected oral sex and your supposed credentials in doing so. I just repost a comment I made above: “No medical professional would make some of the bald assertions you have in this thread without caveats.” You aren’t who you claim yourself to be. The Forum has enough pretendy nonsense on it without a Walter Mitty doctor figure added to the mix. Perfect, so you agree with the medical expert I cited, who states that: "Regardless of the biological reasons, it works out that oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex: much lower transmission chance for all STDs than vaginal or anal sex, and virtually zero risk for some. HIV and chlamydia are rarely if ever transmitted by oral sex, so much so that if vaginal and anal sex could be eliminated in humans, both of these would rapidly disappear; oral sex is not efficient enough to sustain" Thats the crux of my argument. So if you dont refute that then fine. Although do feel free to carry on the personal attacks because you dont like what I say, even though you dont actually seem to disagree with the evidence for it." I’m not making any personal attacks! You’ve introduced your arguments that the dangers from oral sex should be treated negligibly - you’ve given citations and copied data from curious and somewhat controversial American sources - you’ve also volunteered the information of your claim to be an NHS doctor as you sought to give authority to your claims when other users were highly sceptical. These are all things YOU have introduced into this thread. They are therefore perfectly valid things for others to question. Don’t make that schoolboy error that when people question you they are making some terrible personal attack on you. You’ve tried to browbeat other users in the above for having the temerity to question you or disbelieve you. What I do know is this: 1] Whatever the source material the statement “oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex” is HIGHLY controversial to say the least. 2] The statement “oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex” is NOT and would NEVER be endorsed by any UK health body or agency. 3] If I were to go into a UK NHS sexual health clinic or report back to the sexual health forum in which I participate and state “oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex”, the doctors and nurses there would just put their heads in their hands. 4] They would ask me which goon or charlatan had suggested such. 5] No real NHS doctor would EVER be prepared to associate themselves with the statement “oral sex can indeed be viewed as safe sex” even under an anonymous profile on FabGuys. | |||
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"Is it possible to have a option in the search page so that everyone who has bareback listed as a interest can be blocked from showing up in the search results?" Why should we be blocked just because we like Bareback.Its no for everyone I agree.You should try it you might just like it. | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. " | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. " Well said mate.Im on PreP and get tested regularly. Folk on here open there stupid mouth and let there belly rumble. | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. " Well said mate.Im on PreP and get tested regularly. Folk on here open there stupid mouth and let there belly rumble. | |||
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. Well said mate.Im on PreP and get tested regularly. Folk on here open there stupid mouth and let there belly rumble." This was what I was saying before it got twisted into someone elses agenda. Oral is lower risk - but after 100 dicks,you've taken that small chance 100 times and how many times did these 100 men bb recently, before you? . Think of it like buying one scratch card Vs 100 scratch cards. It's basic probability. And there's a decent chance someone could be asymptomatic -statistically. Chlamydia: 85-90% of infections are asymptomatic, particularly in women, though it's also common in men. Gonorrhea: Up to 80% of females and a significant portion of males can have no symptoms. Syphilis: Around 50% of people may not show symptoms. Not mentioned HPV and herpes here because im too lazy To find stuff. My point also isn't to scare people. I have had about 300 BJ's easily In the last 3 years (different guys) and it's just a matter of time before I catch something (I've been lucky). Sti's freaked me out at first until I went to a clinic and got a thorough education as well as reading on line. It's an inevitable side effect of what we do as primal horney men unless you use condoms 100% of the time. Although kissing can still get your Herpes (fun). As you can do is make informed choices and mitigate risk when you can- for me that's prep, doxy (rarely take), and being selective with who I sleep with. For a few months this year I was only with the one guy -, FWB. But he is an absolute whore and he said to me when we started playing,"if you're with me, there's a higher chance you will catch something"... I accept the risk and I move on with my amazing sex life, while reducing risk when I can with meds and regular testing. And he actually got genital herpes on his face a while ago so we couldn't have sex for a while. So I just fucked other people. One of the risk mitigation tactics is actually to avoid the super closeted guys - because they are so less likely to test out of ignorance or fear. Sorry boys .
I say give them their BB filter. But, it really is totally pointless and naive to think people are honest on here.
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"How would that help you stay disease free? Guys who do bareback are usually on Prep, and therefore are safe from contracting HIV, plus they get regularly tested. More regularly than the "safe sex only" hypocrites who suck 10 dicks a month without a condom on any of them. You can catch all STDs from a blow job, except HIV. So if you think you are safer with someone who fucks safe only but whose dick you are sucking without a condom on it, you are mistaken. Well said mate.Im on PreP and get tested regularly. Folk on here open there stupid mouth and let there belly rumble. This was what I was saying before it got twisted into someone elses agenda. Oral is lower risk - but after 100 dicks,you've taken that small chance 100 times and how many times did these 100 men bb recently, before you? . Think of it like buying one scratch card Vs 100 scratch cards. It's basic probability. And there's a decent chance someone could be asymptomatic -statistically. Chlamydia: 85-90% of infections are asymptomatic, particularly in women, though it's also common in men. Gonorrhea: Up to 80% of females and a significant portion of males can have no symptoms. Syphilis: Around 50% of people may not show symptoms. Not mentioned HPV and herpes here because im too lazy To find stuff. My point also isn't to scare people. I have had about 300 BJ's easily In the last 3 years (different guys) and it's just a matter of time before I catch something (I've been lucky). Sti's freaked me out at first until I went to a clinic and got a thorough education as well as reading on line. It's an inevitable side effect of what we do as primal horney men unless you use condoms 100% of the time. Although kissing can still get your Herpes (fun). As you can do is make informed choices and mitigate risk when you can- for me that's prep, doxy (rarely take), and being selective with who I sleep with. For a few months this year I was only with the one guy -, FWB. But he is an absolute whore and he said to me when we started playing,"if you're with me, there's a higher chance you will catch something"... I accept the risk and I move on with my amazing sex life, while reducing risk when I can with meds and regular testing. And he actually got genital herpes on his face a while ago so we couldn't have sex for a while. So I just fucked other people. One of the risk mitigation tactics is actually to avoid the super closeted guys - because they are so less likely to test out of ignorance or fear. Sorry boys .
I say give them their BB filter. But, it really is totally pointless and naive to think people are honest on here.
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"I’m tested regular I’m on prep I’ve had hepatitis vaccination Have my second gonorrhea jab in Jan Every time I have my tests , they do bloods and swab tests both anal and oral I still practice safe sex " Good for you buddy. Making informed choices. That's all we can do. | |||
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