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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " 1.Medical reasons 2. Very young can't remember the age 3.was self conscious but now don't mind talking about it 4. Not had a complaint (my wife had never been with a cut guy before so was a new experience for her what was positive on oral side | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " Forgive me for asking,but can you get the old lobbing off in the womb? | |||
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"Don't quite know what to make of this, should I be offended? Don’t be offended. Your cock is magnificent, mate! I was cut as an infant and absolutely hate it. There should be no circumcision without consent. I consider it a form of child abuse. It’s genital mutilation. As a consequence, I suppose, I have an absolute fetish for foreskin. I love it. | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " Cut due to religious reasons In the first few weeks after my birth I’ve not known it be any different, yes I like it Never had an negative comments and my husband likes it so that’s all that really matters | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " For me it was just family had it too, at birth, really like it, obviously know no difference, never had any complaints! | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " I was 54 medical Healing a couple of weeks Quite like it but did diminish the sensation of ejaculation for a while after. Most seem to like | |||
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"No one chose to have it done so far then. Do you think more gay men have it done than straight? " I chose to have it removed, as a 50th birthday present to myself. Skin was always tight with an erection. And I didn't like the look of it. Had only positive comments so far. And the old fella is easier to keep clean and smelling fresh! | |||
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"Had it done at 27 it was to tight was impossible to have sex went true a lot of pain for sometime after wish I'd have been done at birth so think everyone should be done at birth would also stopped a lot of embarrassing moments that fucked with my head love it now partner loves it any guys iv been with loves it they love the mushroom head on it find so much better for sex much more feeling both anal bj or wanking seem be a more heavy cummer now much cleaner too only down side I can't touch the head of my cock myself love guy touching it but I know why that is because of whats called lost anxiety at a late age missing something that no longer there so again not to go true what I went through I think everyone should be cut at birth " Nature Knows best Guys with working foreskins are in the majority. | |||
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"wish I'd have been done at birth so think everyone should be done at birth would also stopped a lot of embarrassing moments that fucked with my head love it now partner loves it any guys iv been with loves it they love the mushroom head on it find so much better for sex much more feeling both anal bj or wanking seem be a more heavy cummer now much cleaner too only down side I can't touch the head of my cock myself love guy touching it but I know why that is because of whats called lost anxiety at a late age missing something that no longer there so again not to go true what I went through I think everyone should be cut at birth " It's interesting the different views between the USA and here, where men are very squeamish even at the very idea. Thinking back to my original query, I wonder if the differential rates around the UK are more to do with local medical views - in more multicultural London, it is seen as more mainstream among doctors, and less so the further north you go (I mean outwith communities that require it). It might be much easier to get cut for foreskin issues down south than in many other parts of the country. I know of some who have had tight foreskin problems who have endured months or even years of GP's trying to delay the inevitable with creams and what not, just because the GPs didn't like the idea of circumcision and wanted to avoid it at all costs. | |||
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"Bf had it done at 27 after never being able to pull his skin back ever. It takes time after for the skin to harden off and being an adult with all sex hormones going around your body can be a little outchy when waking up with morning glory with stitches in." Exactly similar experience for me. I am circumcised for religious reasons, however the procedure could not be carried out after birth, and it just got put off until I reached the age of 12. It was quite sore after the process, however it used to get very tricky with nocturnal and morning wood! Don't regret it at all. | |||
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"I bloody love a big cut cock 100% agree. Think my mind was formed at 15 buying my 1st American porn mag in Soho. All those Tom of Finland & Colt models. | |||
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"Circumcision. To be honest, I'm not a fan, I've never known how to stimulate cock without skin. Plus some circumcized are not attractive. Either the head bulbous mushroom or it's poorly been circumcized making it look badly scarred and ugly. If it's done right, they look Better." Its what yr used to. If u were living in the US with a 4skin u'd probably meet a lot of guys or maybe more women that would ave no idea how to wank an uncut cock. Learning to stimulate a cock is surely more about an individual approach rather than a 1 style fits all. Yr right tho some circ cocks ave big bulbous heads probably the reason why they were cut in 1st place and some badly scarred. But that doesn't mean to say uncut looks better. Take a 4skin that doesn't retract and is really tight- I feel for these guys because for me being the shallow person I am would be a big deal breaker for me however sexy the guy looked. Equally those with huge 'ant-eater' type 4skins that just add extra length but nothing else. (Again apologies to those guys nothing personal but we all ave our own likes/dislikes). All Im saying is no one type is best. | |||
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"Don't quite know what to make of this, should I be offended? Completely agree, any persons, child or otherwise should ever have it removed without a sufficient medical reason. Including, particularly including religion…. It’s your body and no one had the right to mutilate any part of it without your consent for any reason, except for medical but a tight one doesn’t have to mean circumcision. Leave it for the person to decide what they want to do with it | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. " Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… " Let’s just ignore the scientific evidence that shows male circumcision reduces the transmission of HIV and a number of STDs, as well as reduces the chance of women developing cervical cancer? Masses of scientific studies demonstrate this. | |||
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"I didn't have a say in it apparently it was for medical reasons and I was only 2 years old but I do remember it being particularly sore funny you don't remember nothing about that age but can remember the pain " | |||
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"Let’s just ignore the scientific evidence that shows male circumcision reduces the transmission of HIV and a number of STDs, as well as reduces the chance of women developing cervical cancer? Masses of scientific studies demonstrate this. " The thing I don't get about the soap and water argument is this: As you mention, studies do show a measurable reduction of STDs from being cut, so either: 1) soap and water don't seem to make much difference 2) men don't wash enough Either way, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the foreskin! | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… " Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh." Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... " Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is?" Well you seem to be replying as if you are | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? Well you seem to be replying as if you are " Yr free to make whatever assumption u choose like Im free to express an opinion | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? Well you seem to be replying as if you are Yr free to make whatever assumption u choose like Im free to express an opinion Quite right, so don't act as though you know what it's like to do without basic sanitary items. You have zero idea and probably never will. | |||
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"I’ve always had the impression that cut guys look sore all the time? Doesn’t the glands of the penis head get easily irritated? I’ve never seen a real life circumcised knob and tbh they freak me out,." Wouldn’t have thought so, unless newly cut. It’s usually uncut guys who have very (often painfully) sensitive glans. In the US, it’s the uncut the usually freaks people out, depends on what you are used to. | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? Well you seem to be replying as if you are Yr free to make whatever assumption u choose like Im free to express an opinion Ohhhh really, sounds like yr telling me I can't express an opinion. Who made you the "forum police"? If someone says something on here I'm entitled to challenge it if I don't agree. Just as u are. Secondly, u have no idea of my experience of the world. Where I've been, what I've seen and what I've done. Just because yr wordly experience and yr knowledge is lacking, don't assume everyone has yr limited view. Please don't think u know mine- if u knew me u might even be surprised. And if u wanna make my opinion even more relevant u don't need to visit a 3rd world country. There's quite a few homeless on our own streets that don't have access to on demand running water. I might even ave had experience of that too but again that's something u will never know about me. | |||
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"Am uncut and my foreskin pulls fully back I don’t mind either as long as it pull fully back Just my preference " Can't beat a retractable foreskin. They feel good They look good They reveal the Glans If clean, they taste good | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? Well you seem to be replying as if you are Yr free to make whatever assumption u choose like Im free to express an opinion The forum police? Lol. I think it sounds like I hit a nerve with you. BTW, you have absolutely no idea about my past either. What I do know is there are not many homeless street waifs using Fabguys looking for their next bath because they don't have access to running water or soap. | |||
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"I'm uncut. I'd never even consider getting cut. Cut men have absolutely no idea of the pleasure derived from having a foreskin. The ignorance of a multitude of guys who seem to think uncut guys are dirty is laughable. Completely agree, any person suggesting it’s cleaner to be cut is laughable. It’s the 21st century and soap is plentiful…. It’s so full of wonderful joyous nerve endings that give you so much joy… Unless of course u live in certain parts of the world where even basic sanitary conditions such as running water are not avail because of drought or generally poor living conditions. Yes yr right its the 21st century and yet still parts of the worlds population are without this basic standard of living that we here just take for granted. To say soap is readily avail is true but in some of these places even food is a luxury. So its a bit naive to think as u can just jump in the shower n wash yr uncut cock the same act of cleanliness is avail to everyone else. I find that reasoning equally as laughable and a bit ignorant tbh. Do you live in one of these 3rd worlds where soap and water is lacking? No, thought not... Yr absolutely right I don't and yr point is? Well you seem to be replying as if you are Yr free to make whatever assumption u choose like Im free to express an opinion Nahhh yr fine mate takes more than someone judging me to do that | |||
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"Cut is a major turn off for me. " How come? "I’ve always had the impression that cut guys look sore all the time? Doesn’t the glands of the penis head get easily irritated? " Nope not easily irritated. The skin gets sore if wanked too much without being wet but glans are fine. | |||
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"I was cut at 25 Because I wanted to. BIG MISTAKE. Your Foreskin is a magnificent toy. Keeping a Natural penis clean, is easy, with an invention called soap and daily showers. If it isn't broken, don't fix it." Totally agree with you, it’s so easy to keep clean why would you have it done to avoid smells? It’s lack of washing that causes smells… | |||
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"I’ve always had the impression that cut guys look sore all the time? Doesn’t the glands of the penis head get easily irritated? I’ve never seen a real life circumcised knob and tbh they freak me out,." Never had any soreness apart from too much overzealous wanking when a teenager. No irritation either, obviously I cannot compare but I expect continuous exposure would desensitise it. To answer the original question, for cultural reasons when I was a few weeks old …. my mother did say in later life she regretted getting it done but to be honest it’s never worried me. Foreskins do fascinate me but only because of the novelty value of not having one myself but at the end of the day it doesn’t bother me. I also suspect it’s easier to keep my old man clean. | |||
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"I’ve always had the impression that cut guys look sore all the time? Doesn’t the glands of the penis head get easily irritated? I’ve never seen a real life circumcised knob and tbh they freak me out,. Never had any soreness apart from too much overzealous wanking when a teenager. No irritation either, obviously I cannot compare but I expect continuous exposure would desensitise it. To answer the original question, for cultural reasons when I was a few weeks old …. my mother did say in later life she regretted getting it done but to be honest it’s never worried me. Foreskins do fascinate me but only because of the novelty value of not having one myself but at the end of the day it doesn’t bother me. I also suspect it’s easier to keep my old man clean." I have a friend who was cut because his dad was, no other reason but it was done at a very early age, he is fascinated by my foreskin, as you say mainly because he doesn’t have one himself. A lad in my class was cut and I loved seeing him in the changing room, he was quite proud that he was different | |||
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"I’ve always had the impression that cut guys look sore all the time? Doesn’t the glands of the penis head get easily irritated? I’ve never seen a real life circumcised knob and tbh they freak me out,. Never had any soreness apart from too much overzealous wanking when a teenager. No irritation either, obviously I cannot compare but I expect continuous exposure would desensitise it. To answer the original question, for cultural reasons when I was a few weeks old …. my mother did say in later life she regretted getting it done but to be honest it’s never worried me. Foreskins do fascinate me but only because of the novelty value of not having one myself but at the end of the day it doesn’t bother me. I also suspect it’s easier to keep my old man clean." Its a lot of fun. Retracting ones foreskin to wash the Glans. I always got a hard on, when I had one. It's very easy to wash a natural penis, as nature intended | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " Late 40s for cosmetic reasons (I have always loved cut). Yes I love it in every way (looks good imo and feels amazing) and I have found partners really like it too - maybe it's the look? | |||
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"Cut at 3yo my mum felt it was more hygenic at the time in the 70's. my brother is uncut I have not known any different and I am fine with being cut,had no complaints either which is good I suppose." Is your Brother's cock ok? | |||
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"Also, as I guess most younger guys are on Grindr and not here, so harder to tell, but it seems more older guys are cut than younger?" That is certainly my experience. It also seems that unfortunately some have not been taught basic hygiene from childhood and I wonder if the general paranoia in our society as to children and their bodies is to blame? | |||
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"Also, as I guess most younger guys are on Grindr and not here, so harder to tell, but it seems more older guys are cut than younger? That is certainly my experience. It also seems that unfortunately some have not been taught basic hygiene from childhood and I wonder if the general paranoia in our society as to children and their bodies is to blame?" Any young guys with natural cocks who need lessons, retracting their foreskins, only need to come round. Practical Instruction, freely provided. It's really very simple, and sometimes very enjoyable, depending on how fast, you wash your cock. | |||
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"Cut as a newborn for religious reasons. Try as I might I can't get over being grossed out by excessive foreskin. Something I'm still trying to come to terms with now that I meet men." The Foreskin is a natural thing. It has a job to do. It’s designed to retract, when needed for sex. The Foreskin is a wonder of nature. | |||
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"Don't quite know what to make of this, should I be offended? My feelings too. Circumcision of children m, other than for medical reasons, is child abuse. Once you're an adult it's up to you. Personally much prefer a foreskin. It's there for a reason. | |||
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"Cut as a newborn for religious reasons. Try as I might I can't get over being grossed out by excessive foreskin. Something I'm still trying to come to terms with now that I meet men. The Foreskin is a natural thing. It has a job to do. It’s designed to retract, when needed for sex. The Foreskin is a wonder of nature." Yeh I get that it's natural tbh. For hygiene reasons I suppose it's just easier to keep clean without the extra skin. First time I learnt what smegma was I was weirded out haha. | |||
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"Cut as a newborn for religious reasons. Try as I might I can't get over being grossed out by excessive foreskin. Something I'm still trying to come to terms with now that I meet men. The Foreskin is a natural thing. It has a job to do. It’s designed to retract, when needed for sex. The Foreskin is a wonder of nature. Yeh I get that it's natural tbh. For hygiene reasons I suppose it's just easier to keep clean without the extra skin. First time I learnt what smegma was I was weirded out haha." Simple Hygiene Is all that is required. Some cut cocks are just butchered. The skin on the penis is designed to move, for maximum pleasure. | |||
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"There seems to be more guys cut here than in the general population. I wonder if circumcision is more popular with gay than straight males? It also got me wondering: 1) Why are you cut? (Religion/medical reasons/routine in country of birth/personal or partner preference) 2) Age when you were cut? (If after birth, was healing sore?) 3) Do you like it? (or self conscious?) 4) Reaction of partners? (positive/indifferent/negative) " 1) done as unable to pull for skin back 2) as 8/9 yr old 3) prefer look of cut cock and for sucking etc, but think it effects sensitivity- not being covered think tip of cock not as sensitive 4)usually positive or indifferent | |||
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"Mine was medical at 55 years old.I was only half cut and wow I have enjoyed it " Tell us more, mine is very tight . Slightly older than you . Recently been prescribed mild steroid cream as had a problem there as a result of other medical problems, hence no meets for a while ! | |||
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