FabGuys.com forum: Supreme Court on definition of a woman

By *opActive OP Man
over a year ago

London

What’s ur thoughts!

For me it need to be based on genetics, fully understand and appreciate trans people desires and needs

Maybe we need a 3rd gender?

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By *laireKTV/TS
over a year ago

Manchester

How many handbags do you own?

Can you defend having 5 pairs of shoes, all variations of blue?

How sheer are your knickers?

Do your shoes have to match your scarf?

If you can answer lots and yes to the above, then you're a woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

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By *ncutNovaMan
over a year ago

Telford

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!"

100% agree on this response!

As for the OG poster. A 3rd gender would be a good idea to determine those who are and have transitioned. Maybe XY?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are men who have transitioned from male to female but they will never truly become a woman no matter how much they try to convince the world. These are just indisputable facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s ur thoughts!

For me it need to be based on genetics, fully understand and appreciate trans people desires and needs

Maybe we need a 3rd gender?"

Sadly, there are only two genders in reality. If i could wake up tomorrow and be a woman i would love it. I would be a street walker my lunchtime.

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By *speedoMan
over a year ago

eastbourne

Whatever goes on in someone’s mind you can’t change chromosomes

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By *curiousdaveMan
over a year ago

Durham - Gateshead

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

100% agree on this response!

As for the OG poster. A 3rd gender would be a good idea to determine those who are and have transitioned. Maybe XY?"

Or we drop gender because everyone is equal?

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By *ountainMan
over a year ago

ipswich

There was a film back in the sixties starring Rex Harrison that explained all this !

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By *opActive OP Man
over a year ago

London

Very much like this idea, but

How would it lineup with medical needs / treatments as biological conditions rule

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have a Y chromosome you’re a male. If you don’t, you’re not. It’s quite simple really.

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By *damb00Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!"

, and there is only two genders, no matter how much people try to gaslight you

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By *ornbi321Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

"How many handbags do you own?

Can you defend having 5 pairs of shoes, all variations of blue?

How sheer are your knickers?

Do your shoes have to match your scarf?

If you can answer lots and yes to the above, then you're a woman

Afraid not, your just a plaything for men who like a chick with a dick, doesn’t matter how sheer your knickers are when there round your ankles

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By *ohnnyangerMan
over a year ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!"

So a woman with say Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser isn't a woman? Theres no chromosome issue there, just they are not "designed" to give birth.

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By *ildwestheroMan
over a year ago

Llandrindod Wells

Apart from a tiny number who are born intersexed/Hermaphrodite there are physically only two gender. I accept that a man might have a female mentality and wish his body to become female [also some women wish to become men] and even take quite drastic steps to become a woman. Fair enough if he is prepared to undergo hormone treatment and surgery. Still wont be a true woman but will, for all intents and purposes, be able to function as a woman except for the obvious like pregnancy, periods etc. Just putting on a dress, make-up and wig and calling yourself Lucinda does not make a man a woman.

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By *laireKTV/TS
over a year ago

Manchester

Just to bring this down to crude levels...

If you have gone full gender change, and had your knob chopped off, do you get to use the women's bog or relegated to disabled?

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By *ildwestheroMan
over a year ago

Llandrindod Wells

"Just to bring this down to crude levels...

If you have gone full gender change, and had your knob chopped off, do you get to use the women's bog or relegated to disabled?

Good question. I would say if you have gone the whole way and had genital surgery you should be entitled to use a Ladies toilet unless you've become a raving, predatory lesbian.

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By *ohnnyangerMan
over a year ago

"Apart from a tiny number who are born intersexed/Hermaphrodite there are physically only two gender. I accept that a man might have a female mentality and wish his body to become female [also some women wish to become men] and even take quite drastic steps to become a woman. Fair enough if he is prepared to undergo hormone treatment and surgery. Still wont be a true woman but will, for all intents and purposes, be able to function as a woman except for the obvious like pregnancy, periods etc. Just putting on a dress, make-up and wig and calling yourself Lucinda does not make a man a woman."

It's not even intersex though. Women can be born with ovaries but no womb. They would go through puberty even. Just not "designed to have children".

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By *ade crossTV/TS
over a year ago

chiselhurst

So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough.

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By *ohnnyangerMan
over a year ago

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough. "

Half these people on the form swear blind day to day they are straight but still get fucked up the arse. You can't expect them to actually be truthful about much!

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By *ildwestheroMan
over a year ago

Llandrindod Wells

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough. "

I think gender dysmorphia is a very real thing but, as I have already said, just dressing up as a woman and giving yourself a female name does not make you a woman. You need to live as a woman 24/7 and take steps to become a woman e.g. hormone therapy, surgery etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

100% agree on this response!

As for the OG poster. A 3rd gender would be a good idea to determine those who are and have transitioned. Maybe XY?

Or we drop gender because everyone is equal?

"
. Everyone is equal. Man and woman. That's not negotiable. It's only way we can reproduce

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over a year ago

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By *airFetishMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough.

That makes the huge assumption that you can “become a woman”.

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By *tockyGuy91Man
over a year ago

Corfe Mullen

How about we just let people identity how they want and let them be happy? Nah that would be too easy.

Accept the fact that trans men and women exist (also intersex people too) and move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if someone is fully transitioned they should be able to legally change their gender.

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By *astDevonGuyMan
over a year ago

East Devon

Unquestioning acceptance of self identification , is a slippery slope. I totally understand how naturally born biological Women want to protect their identities, rights to safe spaces and services and not be seen as equal to someone who biologically is not and never has been female.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw this and thought here we go again. I read the forum and thought, we're here again.

Peoples choices/dysmorphia have zero affect on anyone else with the exception of the tiniest percentage.

Its ironic that gay/bi (and pretend straight) men are blabbing on about a topic whilst abusing and taking for granted the rights that they've accrued since their particular sexual orientation has been legal.

Many against this topic were subjected to the lack of rights, some may even have participated in achieving those rights, only to decades later belittle and attack other peoples right to identify how they choose.

Zero fucks are given my end. I don't care, it doesn't affect me. Just let people live their lives without interfering little busy bodies constantly having to opine over a subject they have (in most cases) only superficial knowledge.

Rant over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

So a woman with say Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser isn't a woman? Theres no chromosome issue there, just they are not "designed" to give birth."

Don’t be ridiculous in that case there has been a defect long the lines somewhere at or before birth. These unfortunate women are still designed in nature to be able to give birth.

Stupid point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about we just let people identity how they want and let them be happy? Nah that would be too easy.

Accept the fact that trans men and women exist (also intersex people too) and move on."

Nodoby is saying they cannot identify how they like the issue is about real women's rights and how their women only places are infringed up along with their rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know about the ruling, but the law recognises a MtF as being of the other sex when they obtain a gender recognition certificate after 2 years of the real-life experience and clinical validation.

The trans activists and groups like Stonewall want you to believe anyone who says they are a woman IS a woman, and many bodies and organisations have gone along with that.

But that goes well beyond what the law actually says.

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By *ikxMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Where does this end?

Simply defining Humans as "Able to give birth" and "not able to give birth" obviously seems too narrow definition for some.

It may be ludicrous to some and controvertial but after many conversations with my fully trans bother turned Sister but I feel you cant [yet] out define nature. No matter your mental proclivities if you cannot give birth and have Y cromosome then irrespective of the label you select you are NOT truly female. Its not anyones fault so stop trying to make it every ones issue

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By *inkybi99Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"boys have a penis, girls have a vagina" said the little boy to Arnie on kindergarten cop..

When I was younger gender was male or female.. like many things they've adapted the word to mean you can choose.. I suppose you can, but deep down you'll always know.. please stay out of women's places and sports.

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By *espectdueMan
over a year ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon

I'm amazed that this has gone all the way to the high court and it's getting many different opinions on here.

Because just a few months ago most on here thought starmer was an idiot for not being able to say what a woman was.

Weird.

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By *ountainMan
over a year ago

ipswich

Women wear skirts,men wear trousers.

1950s memories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm amazed that this has gone all the way to the high court and it's getting many different opinions on here.

Because just a few months ago most on here thought starmer was an idiot for not being able to say what a woman was.

Weird."

He is an idiot but thats another issue altogether 😂

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw this and thought here we go again. I read the forum and thought, we're here again.

Peoples choices/dysmorphia have zero affect on anyone else with the exception of the tiniest percentage.

Rant over."
you dont care and your not affected and you dont like people interefering with others beliefs and yet you start your thread a comment " pretend Straight men" ok to interfere with there beliefs then??

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By *ookingFor...Man
over a year ago

West Sussex

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough. "

That's crap I'm afraid, especially in medicine where gender matters.

Pretending otherwise is misogyny.

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By *3versMan
over a year ago

glasgow

There's men and women, plus transmen and transwomen

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By *ookingFor...Man
over a year ago

West Sussex

"There's men and women, plus transmen and transwomen"

Fair enough, but is a man in a dress who has no intention of having surgery 'trans'?

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By *3versMan
over a year ago

glasgow

"There's men and women, plus transmen and transwomen

Fair enough, but is a man in a dress who has no intention of having surgery 'trans'?"

I'd say that's a man in a dress, if there's a cock in that frock they're still a man

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By *ickeMan
over a year ago

watford

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!"

Not so I actually know someone married to man who has all genetic DNA genes female but was born without a womb .

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By *itgent10Man
over a year ago

Llandudno

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By *itgent10Man
over a year ago

Llandudno

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By *itgent10Man
over a year ago

Llandudno

There are an infinite number of iterations in the “T” world from “hairy pant warer” as a fetish to person is just frankly born in the wrong body and need to transition to ever have peace..

They all have different needs

The broadbrushing dismissiveness as a number have done in this post feels frankly cruel.

I am so lucky to have many friends that are t/trans/transtioned girls …

One of the most affecting of my many conversations with a good friend of mine who spent enormous amounts of her resource ,life and money to transition was when she told me that she would often be sad at the start of a day as she would dream as girl but then wake up sad as she realised she was in a boys body…

A beautiful ,strong admirable person who is an inspirational example of a much misunderstood part of our society..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

Not so I actually know someone married to man who has all genetic DNA genes female but was born without a womb . "
. Yes and I have a friend who was born short of one arm. Just means nature didn't get that quite right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw this and thought here we go again. I read the forum and thought, we're here again.

Peoples choices/dysmorphia have zero affect on anyone else with the exception of the tiniest percentage.

Rant over. you dont care and your not affected and you dont like people interefering with others beliefs and yet you start your thread a comment " pretend Straight men" ok to interfere with there beliefs then??"

Yes. It's not a belief if/when you have a cock in your mouth, arse, hand or vice versa. It's a denial. Curiosity is a one off not an every other week profile being set up, meet some guy, drop your nut, feel regret, delete profile and repeat.

Same as opinions, opinions are only opinions if they're factually correct, otherwise they are at best a belief and at worst an outright lie.

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By *ulberryMan
35 weeks ago

S. Worcestershire

But today we are told that men are men, and women are women, no matter whether they have certificates or operations to say otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

100% agree on this response!

As for the OG poster. A 3rd gender would be a good idea to determine those who are and have transitioned. Maybe XY?"

What about xx who can't give birth or conscieve

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

It's perfectly logical to say a woman is a biological woman.

XX will always be XX

It now moves to the debate, who polices this?

Must you carry certificates with xx and xy on them to enter the correct spaces?

Do we employ people to check what genitals one has before entering a toilet in a pub?

Can trans men enter female only spaces? They after all xx at birth?

It's a complicated issue for unicorn species. I find it bizarre and weird, possibly because of male privilege or possibly because theirs only ever been one bad actor in this genre and yet we had to the supreme court decide what biology has always known.

Weird from start to end

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By *raig_KJMan
35 weeks ago

Southport

The base line is set

You are born and sexed.

Male or Female

You become

A Man or a Woman

That Cis prefix is no longer relevant.

So now all of the above people, who are in the majority, I might add, are happy.

Then it gets complicated.

Gender identity is something peculiar to Humans.

But the law now states:-

Your sex is immutably the same as that noted on your Birthday.

After hormone treatment, FTM definitely start to look more masculine, perhaps because we all start off as female.

MTF, have a harder job, because the rush of testosterone during puberty produces secondary sexual characteristics such as chiselled jaw bones etc. men are taller.

Surgery is an option, to physically transition. That should be available privately.

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By *ruemaleMan
35 weeks ago

Gedling

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough.

April Ashley and Dana international come to mind

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By *ranford cruiserTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Heathrow

"There are men who have transitioned from male to female but they will never truly become a woman no matter how much they try to convince the world. These are just indisputable facts."
100% correct

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By *ildwestheroMan
35 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

"So are you saying gender dismorpha is not a thing? In this day age why do you still bang on about this we are all human beings, and that should be enough.

April Ashley and Dana international come to mind"

It's a tricky on. I stand by my statement, quoted above [middle section] of 20 weeks ago. If a transsexual have made to effort to become the opposite sex to which the were born, then I think they should be recognised in their new gender. However that does not apply to crossdressers, transvestites and frauds.

I actually knew April Ashley many years ago. We used the same pub. She had undergone full gender reassignment surgery when it was still in its early stages and not available in this country. She was quite a character and I believe it was she who once said "dig up my skeleton in 200 years time and it will be immediately recognised as that of a man"

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By *hades Of GreyMan
35 weeks ago

North Leeds, LS19/20

"... A 3rd gender would be a good idea to determine those who are and have transitioned."

There's a list as long as your arm off different variants of sexuality. Perhaps we need a whole building full of separate toilets to accommodate them all?

If you have a cock, then men's toilet. If you have a vagina then women's toilet.

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By *opcock58Man
35 weeks ago

Helston

Sexuality and gender are two separate things. Just because Jack becomes Jane does not mean he/she is gay. Important not to confuse the two issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

"Sexuality and gender are two separate things. Just because Jack becomes Jane does not mean he/she is gay. Important not to confuse the two issues."

So Jack has a sex change op and becomes Jane. Does that mean he/she is straight/gay/lesbian ?

Personally i couldn’t care less, but it’s obviously deeply concerning to some, who i guess don’t have a lot else going on in life.

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By *lackbootzMan
35 weeks ago

Hayes, Middx

"Sexuality and gender are two separate things. Just because Jack becomes Jane does not mean he/she is gay. Important not to confuse the two issues."

Absolutely right.

And completely irrelevant to the supreme court definition of what a woman is.

And which toilet Jack/Jane should use… which is based on their biological sex and physiognomy.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Many premises already have unisex facilities.

Usually with a disabled badge on the door.

They are not for the exclusive use of disabled people.

Sooooo roomy, too, when it comes to, um, er, powdering one's nose.

Toilets on trains and planes are unisex.

There is a super bar around the corner from me that has toilet cubicles designated male, female and gender-neutral.

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By *elljelMan
35 weeks ago

clacton/harlow

Why does it always come back to the bathroom issue? - it’s only men who have to whip it out at the urinal ( some men can’t piss publicly - I’ve heard)

Eat at Wagamama- lovely toilets there

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By *olxxTV/TS
35 weeks ago

LTN

I wish someone would design a urinal that stops the floor getting wet.

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By *ornybisubslutMan
35 weeks ago

Coventry

I don’t think I’d really about bathrooms. From what I seen it’s some trans women trying to get in women safe spaces that cis women didn’t feel comfortable in.

There was also issues where positions were created in organisations that were unrepresented for that post to go to a trans woman because of the experience she gained as a man. While trans is a minority group I can understand the frustration of cis being excluded by some that got all their advantages of a men and then claims to represent women.

I don’t think that is the trans woman’s fault it a very complex issue.

In regard to sport a trans woman that goes through puberty as a male with have an advantage. I think the should have there own category to compete in same for trans men.

This is an enormously complex issue with feeling running high on all sides. It needs calm heads and time to sort it.

I think it will be painful for all involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I've seen reports over the years of trans women muscling their way into ra.pe crisis meetings - and using the DEI policy of the organisation to justify their presence.

That is really quite extraordinary, inconsiderate and downright arrogant of the person.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

The female survivor complains to the organisation about the presence of a male-bodied person.

The organisation says they are being transphobic and need to embrace the person as a woman.

The complainant then goes to the newspapers.

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By *ornybisubslutMan
35 weeks ago

Coventry

Agreed I think that’s the root cause of the issue.

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By *izzeekMan
35 weeks ago

Out & about

"The female survivor complains to the organisation about the presence of a male-bodied person.

The organisation says they are being transphobic and need to embrace the person as a woman.

The complainant then goes to the newspapers."

Thank goodness we have newspapers that are prepared to highlight issues and don't blindly follow 'group think'. We still have some freedoms in this Country!

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I remember a case raised in Parliament by an MP.

Police were investigating an allegation of sexual assault on a female-only hospital ward.

The hospital was adamant there was no male on the ward at any time, so did not co-operate.

It took ages for the police to discover the hospital had recorded the patients by gender identity, not sex.

There was indeed a male-bodied person on a female-only ward.

Insane.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

The NHS body was more concerned about the its inclusion credentials than it was about patient safety.

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By *elljelMan
35 weeks ago

clacton/harlow

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By *icole mk tvTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Milton keynes

"What’s ur thoughts!

For me it need to be based on genetics, fully understand and appreciate trans people desires and needs

Maybe we need a 3rd gender?"
The supreme court means shit outside of the US

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By *elljelMan
35 weeks ago

clacton/harlow

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By *icole mk tvTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Milton keynes

Go live your life, regardless of trumpism

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

"What’s ur thoughts!

For me it need to be based on genetics, fully understand and appreciate trans people desires and needs

Maybe we need a 3rd gender?The supreme court means shit outside of the US "

The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom does.

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By *elljelMan
35 weeks ago

clacton/harlow

"The female survivor complains to the organisation about the presence of a male-bodied person.

The organisation says they are being transphobic and need to embrace the person as a woman.

The complainant then goes to the newspapers."
This is quite accurate

A client of mine works for a women’s refuge ( she’s quite high up) The trouble & paperwork they have to get through to help DV victims & then have to be all inclusive on the grounds of “diversity “ - only to let the cock into the hen house as it were- the police are useless , too busy worrying about feelings rather than facts

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I argued years ago with trans activists that they were pushing water up a hill.

That the eventual backlash from the rest of society would damage everyone who just wanted to get with their lives.

That the risked losing the gains already.

They called me a transphobe, a TERF, a betrayer of the sisterhood blah blah blah

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

Still need to remain sceptical of the widening definitions of Q+, they keep trying to sneak in MAPs.

I don't want them under my rainbow umbrella.

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By *riveinsaturdayXXXMan
35 weeks ago

Bristol

"There are men who have transitioned from male to female but they will never truly become a woman no matter how much they try to convince the world. These are just indisputable facts."

I’m afraid this is factually wrong.

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

There is a very real, very material, & complex reality why this is the case, whether people balk at the idea or not. Sadly, it gets lost because of, so called, common-sense thinking. But common-sense thinking is frequently revealed as misleading, invalid bullshit, no matter how truthful it ‘feels.’

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions.

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By *riveinsaturdayXXXMan
35 weeks ago

Bristol

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions."

I’m sorry, but that’s still not the case. I could get very deep into post-A Level biology on this but I think it’s a) wasted, as people are entrenched, b) reductionist because, really, hard definitions are intrinsically authoritarian. Trans people cause zero injury to cos people. The reaction is an attempt to police bodies by people who are paranoid.

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions.

There's a reason that Gender Studies is a B.A. and Biology is a B.Sc.

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By *etterbiggerMan
35 weeks ago

Scunthorpe

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions."

Yes and female to male by the same methods. Changing your sexual appearance. Feminisation or masculinisation is is entirely possible. There is no definitive answer I think. The level of acceptance varies so much across the population and also with age. As with most things. Time will tell

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35 weeks ago

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions.

I'll take the word of Prof Sir Robert Winston, Britain's foremost expert on human reproduction.

Your sex is set for life about week 7 or 8 of gestation. It is discovered at birth.

"Trans people cause zero injury to cis people"?

OMG!

Open your eyes.

Our courts are littered with the convictions of trans people for sex crime.

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By *riveinsaturdayXXXMan
35 weeks ago

Bristol

Wilson???!! Yikes…

Even outside of this area, he’s had more peer-review debunks than you could shake an umbrella at.

Good luck, everyone.

Protect yourselves, trans peeps x

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

That'll be why he sits in the House of Lords as a subject expert then

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

"Wilson???!! Yikes…

Even outside of this area, he’s had more peer-review debunks than you could shake an umbrella at.

Good luck, everyone.

Protect yourselves, trans peeps x

Which esteemed, accredited, peer-approved genius of human biology and sex would you suggest we study.

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By *imrobMan
35 weeks ago

leeds

"That'll be why he sits in the House of Lords as a subject expert then

No. It’s because he is a gammon like the others

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

"That'll be why he sits in the House of Lords as a subject expert then

No. It’s because he is a gammon like the others"

A Jewish Professor is a gammon? Bit of a stretch there.

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By *assoMan
35 weeks ago

cumbernauld

I think they solved a problem that didn’t exist

Clearly I’m not a woman so cannot speak to the “fear” of sexual attack

I just don’t know if “the stats” say that trans women are a danger to “real” women

I do though think that not everyone is a bigot it’s human nature

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

"Sex is immutable"

It's there in black and white in the ruling by a panel of Supreme Court judges.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

"That'll be why he sits in the House of Lords as a subject expert then

No. It’s because he is a gammon like the others"

Oh dear, I'm guessing you are so far down the rabbit hole of intersectionality that people like Winston are part of the patriarchal capitalist imperialist conspiracy that must be smashed to free the oppressed peoples.

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By *amie1402Man
35 weeks ago

Liverpool

I don’t get the supposed difference between gender and sex.

I rather feel gender is the physical equipment you are born with and sex is what you do with it

If we put it the other way round that’s when we get into the endlessly murky waters of gender identity and self identification

I’d prefer the terms transgender to transsexual

That may go against the recent ruling but who knows ?

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By *ildwestheroMan
35 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

HRT literally changes sex…all the way to cell methylation. Thems the cold hard facts. Trans women are most certainly women.

You cannot change your sex. It is a biological brick wall.

You can feminise a male body with chemical and surgical interventions.

I'm no biologist but having had two transwomen friends I have a sort of interested fascination on the subject. True after full surgery and hormone therapy the body will stop producing testosterone and become more and more feminine. But the bone structure does not change. With some trans breast do develop naturally but the majority have to have implants to achieve their goals. What they have down below may look like a vagina and function as one but it is not part of a female reproduction system. To put it crudely it is an artificial fuck-hole and most transwomen have to dilate them regularly as the somewhat confused body wants to close them up.

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35 weeks ago

"I don’t get the supposed difference between gender and sex.

I rather feel gender is the physical equipment you are born with and sex is what you do with it

The opposite.

The species is divided into 2 sexes - male and female.

The binary division is central to human reproduction.

The difference between the 2 sexes is a LOT more than just the external appearance of genitalia.

Gender is a social construct, and usually refers to stereotypical or adopted roles in society.

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By *opcock58Man
35 weeks ago

Helston

I wonder if the reason many trans people struggle to understand why women take issue with them is simply because trans people are not women and as such cannot see that viewpoint, as in from a womans perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Don’t forget too the high prevalence of autism among people on the trans spectrum

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By *airFetishMan
35 weeks ago

Maldon

What I wonder, is what happened to Mother Nature in the 90s onwards (I know some have had a “sex change operation” before that) when she created SO MANY people who now believe that they have been born into the wrong body? It feels like there has been an explosion in numbers of people wanting to be transsexual , pansexual, allosexual, asexual, autosexual, demisexual, fluid, non-binary, gynesexual, graysexual, hetero-flexible/homoflexible, sapiosexual, skoliosexual and spectrasexual. Well, up to April 2025 anyway …

How the fuck did we end up here? The Gay Liberation Front back in the 60/70s wanted human sexual liberation for everyone - labels can be helpful for that but we seem to be boxing ourselves into more and more categories and to what end?

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By *eg4youMan
35 weeks ago

withywood

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

"What I wonder, is what happened to Mother Nature in the 90s onwards (I know some have had a “sex change operation” before that) when she created SO MANY people who now believe that they have been born into the wrong body? It feels like there has been an explosion in numbers of people wanting to be transsexual , pansexual, allosexual, asexual, autosexual, demisexual, fluid, non-binary, gynesexual, graysexual, hetero-flexible/homoflexible, sapiosexual, skoliosexual and spectrasexual. Well, up to April 2025 anyway …

tumblr, twitter, tiktok creating social contagion. Post-modernist ideas infiltrating and dominating arts degrees and teaching then infiltrating politics and HR.

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By *amie1402Man
35 weeks ago

Liverpool

"I don’t get the supposed difference between gender and sex.

I rather feel gender is the physical equipment you are born with and sex is what you do with it

The opposite.

The species is divided into 2 sexes - male and female.

The binary division is central to human reproduction.

The difference between the 2 sexes is a LOT more than just the external appearance of genitalia.

Gender is a social construct, and usually refers to stereotypical or adopted roles in society.

So when someone such as I, is described as bisexual, that is a description of what I do, not what I am.

My gender is male but my behaviour is bisexual.

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By *eg4youMan
35 weeks ago

withywood

And what's the third one going to achieve? How would it help the population? There are only two sexes/genders for copulation. What will the third one do? Not being argumentative, I'm just very curious.

All these labelling and categorising people is making life really difficult for everyone. It caused arguments, causing groups to develop, causing more destruction and arguments. Humanity is one species we shouldn't be separated. But sadly, today's culture is designed around causing disruption, arguments and disrespect.

Cautious comments coming. At this rate, humanity won't last that long.

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By *lackbootzMan
35 weeks ago

Hayes, Middx

The growth of narcissism. Social media being a peculiar catalyst.

You could see things starting to change when everyone kept demanding they had their own flag. No matter how much you emphasised that the WHOLE POINT of the rainbow as an emblem is that it includes every colour permutation and is inclusive of everyone… that just wasn’t enough. Black Pride had to have a black stripe. Then the Bears 🐻 had to have their flag (which looks like something smeared with peanut butter, mud and poo)… Then the trannies had to have their flag 🏳️‍⚧️ (which looks like something from a Central American dictatorship bleached on too hot a cycle in the washing machine). Then they had to be forced on to the other flags. “But you’re all included in that original rainbow flag…” “NO - I have to have my own bit of it!”

Then this moved into terminologies. If you were a man with a sexual attraction to another man you could fit into gay or bi. Everyone used to fit in there. “Oh that’s not enough! I need to have my own bespoke sexuality!” … “I have to have a term that describes exactly my individual attitudes to sexuality - at this particular juncture in my life - and I want it now!” VerucaSaltosexual.

I spent my early years as an out gay man trying to make sure I was free of any boxes that others wanted to put me into and so I would be treated as an individual in my own right. I’ve spend the last 15 years staring in dumb horror at people willingly climbing into prescriptive boxes of their own accord. And they think this is in some way ‘progressive’ and healthy.

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By *antsMeetsMan
35 weeks ago

uxbridge

I agree with the sports staying as biological birth sex. A tragedy was bound to happen in certain sports. Especially boxing , what's to stop a complete psycho changing sex just so he can punch women?

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I'm not getting into this !!

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By *airFetishMan
35 weeks ago

Maldon

The growth of narcissism. Social media being a peculiar catalyst.

Nail hit firmly on the head. It reminds of going to buy some toothpaste in Brighton Boots once - there were three long shelves of the stuff! Whitening,fresh,charcoal, mint, aloe Vera, clinically approved, with stripes, white, recommended by dentists, gum strengthening, sensitive teeth, pink, on and on and on. I realised then that things had gone horribly wrong somewhere.

I just wanted bloody toothpaste.

Now, like applying for a job with 35 tickboxes, I’m never sure if my sexuality meshes with another man’s because there are so many ways to be incompatible.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I read on Facebook that Mardi Gras bar in Blackpool has changed its ladies toilets to gender-neutral toilets in support of trans people.

And I'm left wondering why it's only the ladies loos that are being redesigned. No mention of the men's becoming a shared space.

Things like this make me cringe.

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By *astDevonGuyMan
35 weeks ago

East Devon

"I read on Facebook that Mardi Gras bar in Blackpool has changed its ladies toilets to gender-neutral toilets in support of trans people.

And I'm left wondering why it's only the ladies loos that are being redesigned. No mention of the men's becoming a shared space.

Things like this make me cringe.

Probably because the ladies is all cubicles , so easier to repurpose , than a lav with 1 cubicle and a trough or bank of urinals .

Unisex , gender neutral is the way to go …..

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

It sends out the wrong message for me - men and women being treated unequally.

The simple solution is to state all the toilets are gender-designated (rather than sex).

That way, anyone who identifies as that gender knows both are inclusive.

No need to pick on the ladies and remove their space.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Fed up, too, seeing my news feed filled with memes condemning the "fascist transphobes" who support the court's ruling.

If you think standing up for the rights of women, that scientific truth is some heinous danger, is some sort of fascism, you really are so far off the scale to be a complete irrelevance to the rest of society.

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By *imonxxx200TV/TS
35 weeks ago

Thirsk

Fedup of it all to be honest there's no wonder kids and young adults have mental health problems it's really sad

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By *othJoTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Peterborough

How you look when naked defines your gender all two of them. I'm a lover of women's clothes and have sex dressed for liking to be fucked but I am a guy

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

I see there are demos planned in city centres today.

"Trans rights are human rights"

Whenever I ask an activist what rights they are deprived of, I never get a coherent answer.

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By *icole FanningTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Navan

"I see there are demos planned in city centres today.

"Trans rights are human rights"

Whenever I ask an activist what rights they are deprived of, I never get a coherent answer."

Totally agree

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By *ildwestheroMan
35 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

The more militant LGBT++++++++ people will tell you these variations have always existed. Perhaps to an extent they had. Prior to 1967 very few dared to admit they were gay/bi. I wonder how many gay/bi men went to their graves without even so much as kissed another man, let alone had sex with him, because of society's restrictions. Thinking back to my schooldays,'60s/'70s, it was obvious a few of the other pupils were gay or would go on to be gay. I was one but doubt anyone noticed because I was a bit 'one of the lads' and liked sport. I know one lad seemed a bit obsessed with sex-change. He wasn't particularly effeminate but he had found a magazine about it and he would secretly dress up in his sister's underwear for a wank. I happened to meet him, by chance, many years later and he was still a man and in fact married with children.

Half the other things mentioned I honestly haven't got a clue what they are. Non-binary/gender-fluid seems to be something that has become a fashion fad in the last few years. In my opinion it is a nonsense. I accept trans is a real thing, gender dysmorphia, but the rest are just strange.

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By *eneric35Man
35 weeks ago

Cheddar

if only a women could be more like a man

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By *eefandfurMan
35 weeks ago

Edinburgh

In previous decade teenagers would find a niche or a tribe based on a shared activity or musical taste: Metalheads Goths, EMOs, Clubbers, Skateboarders etc. A way to express individuality and belonging. Mostly harmless. That seem to have been replaced by this notion of gender identity, hopefully most will grow out of it. Sadly some have made radical changes that they will later regret.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Just read this morning that police have been recording people under 51 genders! What was that saying about those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad?

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By *amie1402Man
35 weeks ago

Liverpool

The alphabet soup of LGBTQIA/NB/GF+ etc has proliferated over the years due to the internet and social media, and especially to sites like Fetl*fe.

Here you can find endless variations of the different sexualities and genders that people think up

Most of them are nonsense and simply slight variations on the basic three or four

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

It's a real kick in the bollocks...

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By *odney 2000Man
35 weeks ago

Cambridge

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By *ildwestheroMan
35 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

This is very true. Loads of younger people went through phases often trying to imitate their idols. Remember a lad in the early '80s who was obsessed with Gary Numan. Dressed like him and was a remarkable likeness. Doubt he still does in his late 50s/early 60s. We had skinheads and hippies. We went in for all sorts of different styles etc. All temporary and none of them life changing.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Trans activists deface the statue of suffragette Millicent Fawcett in London.

Absolutely insane.

Of all the statues to attack, imagine going for a heroine of the women's rights movement.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"Fuck rights" spray painted on the statue.

Why do these people hate women so much?

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By *oanne..TV/TS
34 weeks ago

DONCASTER

The can of worms is open now

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"The alphabet soup of LGBTQIA/NB/GF+ etc has proliferated over the years due to the internet and social media, and especially to sites like Fetl*fe.

Here you can find endless variations of the different sexualities and genders that people think up

Most of them are nonsense and simply slight variations on the basic three or four "

"The basic three or four".....uh....?!

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By *ffsideMan
34 weeks ago

liverpool

Watch time team...

2 genders only ever found.. anyone can pretend to be whoever.. ..but if they find ur bones a 1000 years later...u are 1 or the other!

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

* Fag rights

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By *ildwestheroMan
34 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

""Fuck rights" spray painted on the statue.

Why do these people hate women so much?"

Defacing the statue of that proud lady was absolutely disgusting and did their cause no favours whatsoever

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By *amie1402Man
34 weeks ago

Liverpool

"The alphabet soup of LGBTQIA/NB/GF+ etc has proliferated over the years due to the internet and social media, and especially to sites like Fetl*fe.

Here you can find endless variations of the different sexualities and genders that people think up

Most of them are nonsense and simply slight variations on the basic three or four

"The basic three or four".....uh....?!

Straight, Gay, lesbian, bisexual basically

All others are variations on a theme

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

""Fuck rights" spray painted on the statue.

Why do these people hate women so much?

Defacing the statue of that proud lady was absolutely disgusting and did their cause no favours whatsoever"

It's part of a pattern, where the trans activists seem to reserve all their venom for women.

One of the reasons I take nothing to do with their cause - it is toxic

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By *oanne..TV/TS
34 weeks ago

DONCASTER

That judge has opened pandoras box

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By *raig_KJMan
34 weeks ago

Southport

"Watch time team...

2 genders only ever found.. anyone can pretend to be whoever.. ..but if they find ur bones a 1000 years later...u are 1 or the other!"

I knew the difference between girls and boys when I was 5.

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By *opcock58Man
34 weeks ago

Helston

People who convince themselves they are the opposite gender to that that they were born don't need rights they need mental help.

You are what your born. By all means live as a woman if you want but don't try to say you are one.

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By *eefandfurMan
34 weeks ago

Edinburgh

""Fuck rights" spray painted on the statue.

Why do these people hate women so much?"

They're not making a good case for their assertion that they are not a threat to women.

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By *ildwestheroMan
34 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

"That judge has opened Pandora's box"

Latest I've heard is there could be a massive rebellion within the current governing party about this. Doubt we've heard the last of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Labour, like the Tories under Mrs May, were in favour of the gender self-ID policy.

Mrs May even consulted on the idea, before discovering how toxic an issue it was and dropping the idea.

Corbyn had it in the manifesto in 2019 but Mr Starmer dropped it after seeing the huge hole the SNP got into over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Labour isn't like people voted for is it. Unless you're a certan demographic your fucked. Everyone.every gender. Sad times

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Everyone being completely rational and measured about the absolute clarity this nonsensical court case has provided I see

Changes nothing about women's safety predatory men who want to enter women's safe spaces will still be able to same as any criminal will always find ways to skirt laws.

Does everything to demonise less than one percent of the population.

Madness

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By *londebiguyMan
34 weeks ago

near Southport

"Everyone being completely rational and measured about the absolute clarity this nonsensical court case has provided I see

Changes nothing about women's safety predatory men who want to enter women's safe spaces will still be able to same as any criminal will always find ways to skirt laws.

Does everything to demonise less than one percent of the population.

Madness "

Completely true.

The women whooping and drinking outside the court were just shameful.

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By *londebiguyMan
34 weeks ago

near Southport

"People who convince themselves they are the opposite gender to that that they were born don't need rights they need mental help.

You are what your born. By all means live as a woman if you want but don't try to say you are one."

Do you have any medical or scientific qualifications?

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By *londebiguyMan
34 weeks ago

near Southport

"Watch time team...

2 genders only ever found.. anyone can pretend to be whoever.. ..but if they find ur bones a 1000 years later...u are 1 or the other!"

Intersex?

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Intersex does not replicate, so the basic binary division of the species is unaltered.

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By *luvnylonstockingsTV/TS
34 weeks ago

southsea

"Just to bring this down to crude levels...

If you have gone full gender change, and had your knob chopped off, do you get to use the women's bog or relegated to disabled?

Both. But you still arnt a woman ,never will be ,

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By *luvnylonstockingsTV/TS
34 weeks ago

southsea

"How about we just let people identity how they want and let them be happy? Nah that would be too easy.

Accept the fact that trans men and women exist (also intersex people too) and move on."

People accept they exsist but why should women suffer .

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By *1ndeeTV/TS
34 weeks ago

Dundee

Understand the need for the law to be tightened - especially due to the snp version of Henry’s identity

As a cross dresser no Mayer how good I look I am a man in a dress as far as genetics and the law say

I never would have used the female toilet as a dad to girls I feel

This would be a step to far and would hate my daughters to feel

Awkward

There is no easy answer and as we know you can’t please everyone

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By *en22Man
34 weeks ago

renfrew

"Everyone being completely rational and measured about the absolute clarity this nonsensical court case has provided I see

Changes nothing about women's safety predatory men who want to enter women's safe spaces will still be able to same as any criminal will always find ways to skirt laws.

Does everything to demonise less than one percent of the population.

Madness "

Demonises less than 1%. Correct.

That being said, you only have to look at the forums on here, with men who have a fetish for wearing their wives knickers who talk about "slags" "sluts" , or going out "dressed". Women have a right to be concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Why would anyone feel awkward?

Don't you they piss in cubicles? They aren't transparent.

You piss, wash your hands and continue with life.

No awkwardness

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"Everyone being completely rational and measured about the absolute clarity this nonsensical court case has provided I see

Changes nothing about women's safety predatory men who want to enter women's safe spaces will still be able to same as any criminal will always find ways to skirt laws.

Does everything to demonise less than one percent of the population.

Madness

Demonises less than 1%. Correct.

No your confusing women as a whole who don't care and the load of nut jobs who brought this case about.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

No one is safer post this ruling.

Predatory men will be predatory men, they will find other ways to enter female spaces.

Meanwhile genuine trans people are now seen as predators

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

The ruling merely reasserts the position that Parliament intended in the 2010 legislation.

The equalities industry has wilfully ignored it, and spent years castigating anyone who suggested a trans woman was not of the female sex as being a transphobe.

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By *xtraoneMan
34 weeks ago

Gloucester

The greatest danger to women is from their male partner over 800 murdered in the last decade and numerous suicide to get away from their abusive partners. It's not from trans people.

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By *laireKTV/TS
34 weeks ago

Manchester

Interesting point made on the radio yesterday.

As trans women are now to be labelled as "men" would they be able to go around a major city like London topless?

Someone suggested that a topless demonstration is planned.

It still feels a mess to me.

I think safeguarding women could have been achieved in a different way.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

No one has ignored it, the equality act has always worked. Isla Bryson was segregated in a women's prison while it was decided what to do with them. They were then placed into the men's prison. Imprisoned women were never at risk, our media and the coverage of this topic has a lot to blame for the toxicity around for trans people. Reminiscent of the headlines leading up to section 28.

This issue and migrants are the most debated and toxic issues in Britain.

Meanwhile the things that actually effect our lives, like critical infrastructure barely gets a mention.

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By *laireKTV/TS
34 weeks ago

Manchester

"The greatest danger to women is from their male partner over 800 murdered in the last decade and numerous suicide to get away from their abusive partners. It's not from trans people."

I actually agree with this, but will add one exception.

A trans woman boxing a cis woman can cause a lot of actual harm.

Sport needed delineation.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"No one has ignored it, the equality act has always worked. Isla Bryson was segregated in a women's prison while it was decided what to do with them. They were then placed into the men's prison. Imprisoned women were never at risk, our media and the coverage of this topic has a lot to blame for the toxicity around for trans people. Reminiscent of the headlines leading up to section 28.

This issue and migrants are the most debated and toxic issues in Britain.

Meanwhile the things that actually effect our lives, like critical infrastructure barely gets a mention.

One name to debunk your nonsense - Karen White.

The Scottish Prison Service policy did indeed require Bryson to be sent to a women's jail.

A double rapist, in a women's jail.

The minister then drove a coach and horses through their entire gender policy by ordering the SPP to move the cretin to a men's prison.

By virtue of the SNP's own policy on transphobia, that made the Minister, Sturgeon and every one of them "transphobia".

Sturgeon could not even bring herself to refer to Bryson as either she or he.

An absolute fiasco.

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34 weeks ago

This issue and migrants are the most debated and toxic issues in Britain.

Meanwhile the things that actually effect our lives, like critical infrastructure barely gets a mention.

One name to debunk your nonsense - Karen White.

The Scottish Prison Service policy did indeed require Bryson to be sent to a women's jail.

A double rapist, in a women's jail.

The minister then drove a coach and horses through their entire gender policy by ordering the SPP to move the cretin to a men's prison.

By virtue of the SNP's own policy on transphobia, that made the Minister, Sturgeon and every one of them "transphobia".

Sturgeon could not even bring herself to refer to Bryson as either she or he.

An absolute fiasco."

Never at risk. They were sent to a women's prison in segregation while a decision was to be made!!

Your arguments are reactionary on this topic.

Weird from start to end

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Karen White.

And the rest of 'em.

The Tories at least woke up and smelt the coffee.

No male sexual predators allowed in women's prisons, regardless of what any little of paper says.

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34 weeks ago

Can't find anything on that made up name.

One swallow does not make a summer

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34 weeks ago

Never at risk. They were sent to a women's prison in segregation while a decision was to be made!!

The court notified the SPP to collect a convicted rapist for the MEN's prison.

The SPP changed the direction of the van to the WOMEN'S prison.

Because their policy for years had been that you served the sentence in the prison that matched your presentation at the time of conviction.

Do keep up - this issue has dogged the SPP for years, and anyone who called it into question was shouted down as a hater and transphobe.

Until Bryson came along, there was public uproar and the whole Alice in Wonderland thinking was quickly dumped.

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34 weeks ago

Never at risk. They were sent to a women's prison in segregation while a decision was to be made!!

The court notified the SPP to collect a convicted rapist for the MEN's prison.

The SPP changed the direction of the van to the WOMEN'S prison.

Because their policy for years had been that you served the sentence in the prison that matched your presentation at the time of conviction.

Do keep up - this issue has dogged the SPP for years, and anyone who called it into question was shouted down as a hater and transphobe.

Until Bryson came along, there was public uproar and the whole Alice in Wonderland thinking was quickly dumped."

You sound and type like Donald Trump

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34 weeks ago

Karen White, a full-time tranny, was on remand, accused of stabbing a neighbour when they ra-ped two female inmates in the women's prison they were being held in. Now doing life in a men's prison.

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34 weeks ago

"Karen White, a full-time tranny, was on remand, accused of stabbing a neighbour when they ra-ped two female inmates in the women's prison they were being held in. Now doing life in a men's prison.

New York times best seller is all I'm getting.

So, you do you

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

* SPS, not SPP

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34 weeks ago

Funny thing is, when I type Karen White transgender prisoner into google, it throws up all the court coverage about them

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34 weeks ago

The algorithms we mix with

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By *ildwestheroMan
34 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

"Just to bring this down to crude levels...

If you have gone full gender change, and had your knob chopped off, do you get to use the women's bog or relegated to disabled?

Both. But you still arnt a woman ,never will be ,"

No but they have made the effort. If a transwoman no longer has a knob/cock/willie/penis she is not a predatory threat to real real. Or at least no more than say a rampart lesbian would be or a predatory gay man would be in men only spaces.

As men we cannot really appreciate how real women feel. Perhaps not threatened but certainly a lot will feel awkward and uncomfortable about it.

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34 weeks ago

I recall a former governor of Cornton Vale women's prison who campaigned for years to raise awareness of this lunacy.

She was smeared and blacklisted as a transphobe.

Former female prisoners spoke out upon their release, too.

They were told they'd be disciplined for hate crime if they pursued their complaints about people with penises sharing the prison showers with them.

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34 weeks ago

How will they know? They piss in cubicals.

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34 weeks ago

"I recall a former governor of Cornton Vale women's prison who campaigned for years to raise awareness of this lunacy.

She was smeared and blacklisted as a transphobe.

Former female prisoners spoke out upon their release, too.

They were told they'd be disciplined for hate crime if they pursued their complaints about people with penises sharing the prison showers with them.

And today in things that never happened.

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By *inditvTV/TS
34 weeks ago

edinburgh

Maybe there needs to be public spaces for trans?

I completely agree with the ruling though. As much as I love and respect trans women/men, I don’t agree with the ‘progress’ that’s been made over the past 5 years or so. It’s definitely been at the expense of biological women and has never sat right with me

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34 weeks ago

you really have no grasp of the fact that females, from a very early age, are taught with good reason to be wary of sexual predators lurking among the male of the species

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34 weeks ago

Definitely see businesses going to expense of creating trans toilets for less than 1% of the population

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34 weeks ago

"you really have no grasp of the fact that females, from a very early age, are taught with good reason to be wary of sexual predators lurking among the male of the species"

No I completely get it, I don't conflate it with men who dress as women

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34 weeks ago

"I recall a former governor of Cornton Vale women's prison who campaigned for years to raise awareness of this lunacy.

She was smeared and blacklisted as a transphobe.

Former female prisoners spoke out upon their release, too.

They were told they'd be disciplined for hate crime if they pursued their complaints about people with penises sharing the prison showers with them.

And today in things that never happened.

Look It up - the Scottish newspapers published the interviews.

But judging by your abject failure with Karen White, I guess your search powers must have ideological filters attached to block any evidence that contradicts gender ideology.

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34 weeks ago

"you really have no grasp of the fact that females, from a very early age, are taught with good reason to be wary of sexual predators lurking among the male of the species

No I completely get it, I don't conflate it with men who dress as women "

Ah yes, a line straight from the Sturgeon playbook - whenever a man throws on a dress, he leaves behind the male sex drive and any sexual deviancy.

What dangerous crap.

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By *ildwestheroMan
34 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

I cannot remember when or where but there was a case of a so-called transwoman prisoner making two other real female prisoners pregnant. Whether they consented or not is irrelevant, but he most definitely was not a woman trans or otherwise.

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34 weeks ago

"you really have no grasp of the fact that females, from a very early age, are taught with good reason to be wary of sexual predators lurking among the male of the species

No I completely get it, I don't conflate it with men who dress as women

Ah yes, a line straight from the Sturgeon playbook - whenever a man throws on a dress, he leaves behind the male sex drive and any sexual deviancy.

What dangerous crap.

Lol, desperate stuff.

No one is safer post this ruling.

Predatory men will be predatory men, in or out of dresses.

Meanwhile genuine trans people are thrown under the bus and most women couldn't give a shit

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34 weeks ago

"An adult female who is biologically designed to give birth to children.

The end!

, and there is only two genders, no matter how much people try to gaslight you "

I agree

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By *inditvTV/TS
34 weeks ago

edinburgh

"Definitely see businesses going to expense of creating trans toilets for less than 1% of the population

Fair comment, trans people should definitely not share toilets etc with people born the opposite sex either though so does leave them without a space of their own

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By *elcumMan
34 weeks ago

DEAL area

"I saw this and thought here we go again. I read the forum and thought, we're here again.

Peoples choices/dysmorphia have zero affect on anyone else with the exception of the tiniest percentage.

Rant over."

you can rant all you like but being gay/bi had no impact on another sex, ie women and womens safety nor cheating in their vocation ... (ie sports). so rather than aiming at people who you say are interfering little busy bodies, how about you actually look at the entire ramification before you claim to give "zero fucks" which clearly you do, given your rant ...

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