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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." Spending your whole life stuck in a cage just to be someone's dinner. Like I say I'm not forcing it on anyone, people are entitled to eat what they want. But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. And the tastes of meat are what vegetarians/vegans miss most so having substitute meats that replace with a similiar taste is quite suitable. Also vegetables are a lot healthier, better for the world and if karma exists you earn some points. There are so many options and so many different recipes to try. | |||
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"But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. " I'm looking forward to the day Granny donates her body to next year's Christmas dinner | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Spending your whole life stuck in a cage just to be someone's dinner. Like I say I'm not forcing it on anyone, people are entitled to eat what they want. But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. And the tastes of meat are what vegetarians/vegans miss most so having substitute meats that replace with a similiar taste is quite suitable. Also vegetables are a lot healthier, better for the world and if karma exists you earn some points. There are so many options and so many different recipes to try. "Well if you miss the taste of meat-eat meat-simple  | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Spending your whole life stuck in a cage just to be someone's dinner. Like I say I'm not forcing it on anyone, people are entitled to eat what they want. But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. And the tastes of meat are what vegetarians/vegans miss most so having substitute meats that replace with a similiar taste is quite suitable. Also vegetables are a lot healthier, better for the world and if karma exists you earn some points. There are so many options and so many different recipes to try. "We are already “ cattle “ but the majority of us haven’t realised it. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Spending your whole life stuck in a cage just to be someone's dinner. Like I say I'm not forcing it on anyone, people are entitled to eat what they want. But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. And the tastes of meat are what vegetarians/vegans miss most so having substitute meats that replace with a similiar taste is quite suitable. Also vegetables are a lot healthier, better for the world and if karma exists you earn some points. There are so many options and so many different recipes to try. "Fake meats are so bad, they are the ultimate ultra processed food - I'd be hesitant about putting that stuff anywhere other than the bin | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Spending your whole life stuck in a cage just to be someone's dinner. Like I say I'm not forcing it on anyone, people are entitled to eat what they want. But like, assisted dying is a thing now, how long down the line before people become cattle. And the tastes of meat are what vegetarians/vegans miss most so having substitute meats that replace with a similiar taste is quite suitable. Also vegetables are a lot healthier, better for the world and if karma exists you earn some points. There are so many options and so many different recipes to try.
Fake meats are so bad, they are the ultimate ultra processed food - I'd be hesitant about putting that stuff anywhere other than the bin"Haven't we moved on from the Linda McCartney trying-to-make-veg-taste-like-meat, which really dominated in the 90s when I was last veggie? There's lots of options these days for making the most of the natural deliciousness of plants. | |||
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"I'm not forcing it on anyone but just a reminder that meat is a m(urder)eat. Unlike some animals in the world humans have the capacity and greatness to be vegetarian. So maybe if you want to do some good this Xmas let Turkeys live and try something new and different and vegetarian. There are so many options and substitute meats have come a long way in the taste department. "Actually i think you'll find it's Christmas carols on an endless loop in the supermarkets that's murder.  | |||
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"Fuck that for a game of soldiers, I'm having turkey complete with some smoked ham and pigs in blankets You enjoy your vegetarian or vegan dinner and I'll enjoy mine preferably without someone virtue signalling at me! " Everyone eats way too much meat now. Rather like there are way too many trannies on this site. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." Absolutely right. It’s a product of veganism becoming fashionable. I’ve been vegetarian for over 50 years and find the concept of meat-like substitutes offensive. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." Of course it is m urder. The animals do not stay alive when they're being eaten | |||
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" Rather like there are way too many trannies on this site." Here we go again, feel free to go elsewhere | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." This 💯 percent. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Of course it is m urder. The animals do not stay alive when they're being eaten" What you gonna do about the seal that eats a salmon? Club it to death as its punishment? | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Of course it is m urder. The animals do not stay alive when they're being eaten I'm going to nothing about it of course. It's beyond my control. But what I said is factual. You murder animals to eat their flesh. They do not die naturally What you gonna do about the seal that eats a salmon? Club it to death as its punishment? " | |||
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xxx cows are vegan xxx | |||
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"I'm not forcing it on anyone but just a reminder that meat is a m(urder)eat. Unlike some animals in the world humans have the capacity and greatness to be vegetarian. So maybe if you want to do some good this Xmas let Turkeys live and try something new and different and vegetarian. There are so many options and substitute meats have come a long way in the taste department. "I’m having a mixed grill followed by turkey, how about jog on. | |||
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"I'm not forcing it on anyone but just a reminder that meat is a m(urder)eat. Unlike some animals in the world humans have the capacity and greatness to be vegetarian. So maybe if you want to do some good this Xmas let Turkeys live and try something new and different and vegetarian. There are so many options and substitute meats have come a long way in the taste department. "True but I don't care as long the animals are treated and killed humanly | |||
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"Interesting that the OP claims not to be forcing the issue on anyone yet still resorts to the usual ridiculous bullshit rhetoric of the animal righters. It's not murder, it's part of the natural order. There is a definite genetic and physiological advantage for certain animals that allow themselves to be so readily domesticated. In exchange we ask that they give their lives for us. It's a trade-off and i can't see anything wrong with that. Furthermore, we are already in a food deficit, reliant on other nations for our sustenance. 60% of all agricultural land in this country is unsuitable for the cultivation of crops. Taking livestock out of the equation will only make this worse. "So, the OP tries to make people think, just a bit, about what they eat and how it gets to your plate and suggests perhaps there are alternatives and is then vilified for doing so. The idea that what we do to animals to provide us with enormous amounts of cheap meat is “part of the natural order” is brain-twisting of the first order. Please name another species that designs places to grow and fatten other animals, confines them in huge numbers in hideous conditions and then slaughters them on an industrial scale. I’ll wait… We are naturally omnivorous, but, just as we can choose not to be violent to people we disagree with, we can choose not to slaughter and eat another sentient creatures because we feel hungry. To say it’s a “trade-off” is a laugh - did you ask them if they’re OK with your “I’ll keep you fed and watered for 3 years, then I’ll kill you.” arrangement? I ate meat for 23 years without ever even thinking for a second about what I was doing. When I stopped to read and think about it I stopped eating meat there and then, that was in 1985. I do not miss the taste of meat, it’s only agribusiness that tries to get us eating veggie sausages, burgers, chicken and the like because highly processed food is where the most money is and as grains, pulses and vegetables are pretty cheap they won’t make much money if we remain contents with using simple natural ingredients. Getting our food requirements by eating animals is unbelievably wasteful in terms of required inputs, conversion to meat and the waste outputs and contribution to climate change. It might have been considered reasonable when the numbers involved were smaller and meat was regarded as a luxury but people now consider it normal to have meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner every single day. A pig farm in Norfolk is currently trying to get planning permission to enlarge its pig processing plant from 700 pigs to over 6,000! This is the industrial scale “natural order” you referred to earlier I assume? | |||
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" The idea that what we do to animals to provide us with enormous amounts of cheap meat is “part of the natural order” is brain-twisting of the first order. Please name another species that designs places to grow and fatten other animals, confines them in huge numbers in hideous conditions and then slaughters them on an industrial scale. I’ll wait… " It's one of the perks of climbing to the top of the food chain | |||
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" The idea that what we do to animals to provide us with enormous amounts of cheap meat is “part of the natural order” is brain-twisting of the first order. Please name another species that designs places to grow and fatten other animals, confines them in huge numbers in hideous conditions and then slaughters them on an industrial scale. I’ll wait… It's one of the perks of climbing to the top of the food chain "What would make you believe that we are at the top of the food chain? Many species manage perfectly well without trying to convince themselves of that. It's nonsense propaganda really if you think about it. We are at the mercy of the food producers and suppliers which is hardly " at the top of the food chain. | |||
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"If we don't eat meat most animals will die out anyway. " These animals exist because of selective breeding for the meat industry. | |||
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" It's one of the perks of climbing to the top of the food chain
What would make you believe that we are at the top of the food chain?
Many species manage perfectly well without trying to convince themselves of that.
It's nonsense propaganda really if you think about it.
We are at the mercy of the food producers and suppliers which is hardly " at the top of the food chain."Oh dear! The species at the top of the food chain is the one without predators | |||
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"The amount of animals that are murdered during crops and harvesting of vegetables lol but don't worry lets guilt trip in eating what they want to eat instead of minding our own business and eating what we want to eat. " The vast majority of crops are harvested for animal feed. | |||
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"I only eat chocolate rabbits xxx " Keep up Sammy, it's Xmas not Eater...u should be eating Santas | |||
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"A lot of farm animals would not exist if we didn't eat them beef lamb chickens all would be near extinct xxx " These are selectively bred, domesticated animals. A lot of wild animals are being driven to extinction by habitat loss required to farm domesticated animals. | |||
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"A lot of farm animals would not exist if we didn't eat them beef lamb chickens all would be near extinct xxx These are selectively bred, domesticated animals. A lot of wild animals are being driven to extinction by habitat loss required to farm domesticated animals." Very true. Palm oil is a huge contribution to this too. The cheapest products for the highest profit. Very sad. Pure selfishness and greed. | |||
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" It's one of the perks of climbing to the top of the food chain
What would make you believe that we are at the top of the food chain?
Many species manage perfectly well without trying to convince themselves of that.
It's nonsense propaganda really if you think about it.
We are at the mercy of the food producers and suppliers which is hardly " at the top of the food chain.
Oh dear!
The species at the top of the food chain is the one without predators
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"If nature intended us to be vegetarian,we wouldn't have any carnivorous teeth. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my steak." It's very easily proven how our carnivorous teeth could not cut it on a diet of raw animal flesh. Good luck with that. Absolute nonsense reply. | |||
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"If nature intended us to be vegetarian,we wouldn't have any carnivorous teeth. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my steak. It's very easily proven how our carnivorous teeth could not cut it on a diet of raw animal flesh. Good luck with that. Absolute nonsense reply." Can't you see that all the meat eaters on here have ferocious carnivore teeth, perfectly adapted for dispatching wildebeest with a single bite to the neck? | |||
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"If nature intended us to be vegetarian,we wouldn't have any carnivorous teeth. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my steak. It's very easily proven how our carnivorous teeth could not cut it on a diet of raw animal flesh. Good luck with that. Absolute nonsense reply. Can't you see that all the meat eaters on here have ferocious carnivore teeth, perfectly adapted for dispatching wildebeest with a single bite to the neck? " It is the Apex predator that is top of the food chain thaf makes me laugh the most. The reality is that we are nowhere near that and the flesh that is eaten is vulnerable and raised in fake conditions to be harvested by others for our convenience. I'd waged that most could not kill their own food and would not manage being a hunter gatherer. | |||
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" Try going out into the wilderness without a rifle. ." I don't need to go hunting for food - I can get a bear delivered in a nice polystyrene tray on Amazon these days | |||
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"I only eat chocolate rabbits xxx Keep up Sammy, it's Xmas not Eater...u should be eating Santas" well I can't find a chocolate Turkey xxx | |||
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"I only eat chocolate rabbits xxx Keep up Sammy, it's Xmas not Eater...u should be eating Santaswell I can't find a chocolate Turkey xxx " are a chocolate cock | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves]" We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations!" How can food be "woke"? | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! How can food be "woke"? " You new here? | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! How can food be "woke"? You new here?" You seem to think that a list of ingredients can be woke. Can you explain what you mean by that? | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." Nothing wrong with a bit of make believe, like cross dressing  3 | |||
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"I only eat chocolate rabbits xxx Keep up Sammy, it's Xmas not Eater...u should be eating Santaswell I can't find a chocolate Turkey xxx are a chocolate cock" can't beat a chockie cockie xxx | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." I agree for example, fake bacon , what the hell is that about?? | |||
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"If nature intended us to be vegetarian,we wouldn't have any carnivorous teeth. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my steak." If nature intended us to fly we’d have been born with wings. If everyone was gay then the human race would die out. If nature intended us to travel underwater we would have been born with gills. These and many more insights can be found in the new “Book of flawed reasoning”. I’m so impressed by your steak eating too. You’re probably so brimming with testosterone that you spit on any vegetables you see then grind them into the dirt under your boot heel. | |||
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"You lot behave yourself are I will put Pineapple on the pizzas in the Boxing day buffet " Oooh memories of last Xmas... face stuffed by a Hawaiian | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat." You could just as easily say that there's something flawed with all of these so-called carnivores packaging, cooking, seasoning and plating their dead animals to try to disguise the fact that they look and taste like... dead animals! If you're such good meat eaters, then why not follow the example of lions and tigers and tear the meat straight from the bloody carcass? | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. You could just as easily say that there's something flawed with all of these so-called carnivores packaging, cooking, seasoning and plating their dead animals to try to disguise the fact that they look and taste like... dead animals! If you're such good meat eaters, then why not follow the example of lions and tigers and tear the meat straight from the bloody carcass?" Grrrr  xxx | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. I agree for example, fake bacon , what the hell is that about??" It’s about the food industry not leaving any stone unturned in the pursuit of profit as I mentioned earlier. They want you buying processed food and if you go veggie you won’t be buying all that meat and the rest so they make a veggie alternative. There’s little money to be made in you buying natural ingredients and cooking your own dishes. For years vegetarian processed foods were a rarity until they felt the market was big enough. Now that more people are exploring veganism we’ve reached a critical mass and the food industry is filling up supermarket freezers with vegan processed foods. Follow the money. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. You could just as easily say that there's something flawed with all of these so-called carnivores packaging, cooking, seasoning and plating their dead animals to try to disguise the fact that they look and taste like... dead animals! If you're such good meat eaters, then why not follow the example of lions and tigers and tear the meat straight from the bloody carcass?" Years ago I walked into Marks & Spencer and they had a poster advertising pure new wool jumpers with a sheep and its little lamb looking all fluffy on a wool carpet and it was very sweet. At the rear of the shop was a poster of advertising tender New Zealand lamb, but instead of simply showing the first poster again with the lamb’s insides and its bloodied flesh all over the nice white wool carpet there were just pictures of nice clean little pieces of pink meat without any blood or recognisable animal visible. The reality would’ve been unthinkable. | |||
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"A few years ago a Consumer/food programme made a beef lasagne with Quorn instead of beef and the tasters could not tell the difference between Quorn or Beef " I get why meat eaters would prefer a real steak over something fake, but when it comes to gross things like mince or sausages, does it really make a difference? Even if I ate meat, I'd find the idea of something plant based far more appetising than mashed up snouts and eyelids. | |||
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" You could just as easily say that there's something flawed with all of these so-called carnivores packaging, cooking, seasoning and plating their dead animals to try to disguise the fact that they look and taste like... dead animals! ?" I don't think it's disguised when, in big letters on the front of the packet, it says REINDEER or SALMON | |||
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" Try going out into the wilderness without a rifle. . I don't need to go hunting for food - I can get a bear delivered in a nice polystyrene tray on Amazon these days " You are indeed at the very top of the food chain. Your strong argument has proved it to all. | |||
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" You could just as easily say that there's something flawed with all of these so-called carnivores packaging, cooking, seasoning and plating their dead animals to try to disguise the fact that they look and taste like... dead animals! ? I don't think it's disguised when, in big letters on the front of the packet, it says REINDEER or SALMON " And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores. | |||
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" And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores." We've moved on a bit since we gorged on zebra on the savannah | |||
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" And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores. We've moved on a bit since we gorged on zebra on the savannah " And vegetarians and vegans have moved on further still! | |||
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" And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores. We've moved on a bit since we gorged on zebra on the savannah " You speak for yourself  | |||
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" And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores. We've moved on a bit since we gorged on zebra on the savannah And vegetarians and vegans have moved on further still! " Go give a lion a box of matches and teach it how to cook its own food, if the sight of carnivores without forks and knives upsets you so much. | |||
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"It's not murder. And there's something flawed when you're trying to get vegetables to taste like meat. Absolutely right. It’s a product of veganism becoming fashionable. I’ve been vegetarian for over 50 years and find the concept of meat-like substitutes offensive. " The food industry has been producing meat substitutes for mince, burgers, sausages etc for decades, long before they even considered vegans as a large enough demographic to notice. | |||
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" And yet it looks so very different to the dead animals you see in nature documentaries, being hungrily gnawed at by ravenous carnivores. We've moved on a bit since we gorged on zebra on the savannah And vegetarians and vegans have moved on further still! Go give a lion a box of matches and teach it how to cook its own food, if the sight of carnivores without forks and knives upsets you so much. " Lions don't need to cook meat, as they're naturally adapted to eat it. Unlike you. | |||
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"If you want to eat a vegetarian diet, eat it, if you want to eat meat, eat it. Why do we feel the need to force our views onto everyone else" Forced? You mean putting forward the idea about something as an alternative to a meat-based diet that many people have probably never even thought about? “Those homosexuals marching down the streets with their placards - why can’t they just live their lives like we do instead of flaunting their lifestyle and forcing their views down our throats? It’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. If god had meant us to …” | |||
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" Lions don't need to cook meat, as they're naturally adapted to eat it. Unlike you." I can tell that anthropology is not your strong point. Once Homo Sapien discovered how to harness fire, our bodies evolved genetically to consume food that is cooked. | |||
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" Lions don't need to cook meat, as they're naturally adapted to eat it. Unlike you. I can tell that anthropology is not your strong point. Once Homo Sapien discovered how to harness fire, our bodies evolved genetically to consume food that is cooked." I'm a biologist. And it's Homo sapiens, with an s, and no capitalisation of sapiens. | |||
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"I'm not forcing it on anyone but just a reminder that meat is a m(urder)eat. Unlike some animals in the world humans have the capacity and greatness to be vegetarian. So maybe if you want to do some good this Xmas let Turkeys live and try something new and different and vegetarian. There are so many options and substitute meats have come a long way in the taste department. "if you want Turkey's to live eat em. Otherwise they will all die out. | |||
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"If you want to eat a vegetarian diet, eat it, if you want to eat meat, eat it. Why do we feel the need to force our views onto everyone else Forced? You mean putting forward the idea about something as an alternative to a meat-based diet that many people have probably never even thought about? “Those homosexuals marching down the streets with their placards - why can’t they just live their lives like we do instead of flaunting their lifestyle and forcing their views down our throats? It’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. If god had meant us to …”" Whooosh!! | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! How can food be "woke"? You new here? You seem to think that a list of ingredients can be woke. Can you explain what you mean by that? " Veganism is generally associated with woke-ism. | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! How can food be "woke"? You new here? You seem to think that a list of ingredients can be woke. Can you explain what you mean by that? Veganism is generally associated with woke-ism." Do you really think so? I know plenty of vegans who aren't woke. Conversely, I know lots of woke people who aren't vegan. | |||
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"If nature intended us to be vegetarian,we wouldn't have any carnivorous teeth. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my steak. It's very easily proven how our carnivorous teeth could not cut it on a diet of raw animal flesh. Good luck with that. Absolute nonsense reply." That's why we cook it. | |||
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"Roast lettuce with lentil and butter bean stuffing served with figs in blankets [vine leaves] We have a winner for "Woke Xmas Recipe of the Year". Congratulations! How can food be "woke"? You new here? You seem to think that a list of ingredients can be woke. Can you explain what you mean by that? Veganism is generally associated with woke-ism. Do you really think so? I know plenty of vegans who aren't woke. Conversely, I know lots of woke people who aren't vegan." The operative word was 'associated'. As perceived by others but not necessarily true. A bit like a lot of 'straights' think all we gays are crossdressers. | |||
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"Fuck that for a game of soldiers, I'm having turkey complete with some smoked ham and pigs in blankets You enjoy your vegetarian or vegan dinner and I'll enjoy mine preferably without someone virtue signalling at me! Everyone eats way too much meat now. Rather like there are way too many trannies on this site." Feel free to leave anytime if that's your feeling. | |||
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"Meat is murder. Only humans kill creatures in such a conscious and organised way." "Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals in your diet." - NHS God bless the NHS  | |||
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"Meat is murder. Only humans kill creatures in such a conscious and organised way. "Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals in your diet." - NHS God bless the NHS "It only says "a good source", rather than "the only good source", so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove here. | |||
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"I'm always ama_ed how meat eaters get offended by vegetarians. I tried to be vegetarian, but couldn't do it, although I do eat far less meat than I used to. I also eat quite a few meat substitutes, because I've been conditioned to like the taste of meat so try and replace it. If I can do that whilst preventing a single animal being killed, that seems like a good result all round. If you as a meat eater don't like that, what makes you think I care? Just chill and accept different people have different views - its called being an adult. It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent " I dont think the author was preaching or being patronising. He simply offered a point of view. So you don't agree. So? Carry on eating meat and move along. | |||
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It only says "a good source", rather than "the only good source", so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove here."It shows how ridiculous you lot are accusing people who eat meat of conspiracy to murder. Your attempts at guilt-tripping are really quite toxic. | |||
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"It shows how ridiculous you lot are accusing people who eat meat of conspiracy to murder. Your attempts at guilt-tripping are really quite toxic." It doesn't show that at all. You've countered an argument about ethics with a quote about nutrition. They're two totally unrelated things. | |||
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"You seem upset that other people exercise their right to decide what does and doesn't enter their stomach." What about the rights of the millions of animals slaughtered at an industrial scale every day for meat? Have you ever wondered that perhaps they have a right not to be killed? | |||
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"It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent It's only apparent because you're not used to it. Take a stroll down your local high street and make a note of how many signs you see for McDonald's, Burger King, Greggs, Subway, etc. advertising meat. Then take a stroll back the other way and count how many signs you see promoting veganism. I guarantee that there will be far more signs advertising meat. You just don't notice them because it's so ingrained in our culture." THIS in spades! Even though I knew beef came from a cow when I was quite young it was just something I knew - two connected facts but that was it. I was not until I read a book that actually encouraged me think about it that I realised the true nature of that connection. For those who think it’s fine, how about we come over next week and kill your family labrador and serve it for dinner? Would you be OK with that? After all, it’s just another domesticated animal, like a sheep and we are at the top of the food chain so why not? Or is it because there’s an loving emotional connection? You know it loves you, can be happy, sad and feel pain. Of course, when it comes to turning cows, pigs, lambs and others into lumps of meat, any such consideration of restraint due to their intelligence, suffering or affection is instantly rejected. Anyway, there’s no need to think about it, only “woke” people ask such questions … | |||
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" the most successful species in the history of Planet Earth. " Tell me you don't know anything about biology without actually telling me you don't know anything about biology... | |||
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"Slaughterhouses exist because people want to consume animal meat. It's not murder - it's a perk that comes from being top of the food chain, the most successful species in the history of Planet Earth. I've got pieces of dead animal in my fridge, and I'm quite pleased no-one farms humans to serve us up on their dinner plate. " I think that we have worked out that we are not actually "top of the food chain" no matter how you try to convince yourself of it. As for "it's not murder , I'd say that ending a life against it's will is murder no matter the creature. You can try to sanitise it and remove yourself from it but it does not change it still. I do not mind that people eat animal flesh but it is laughable the ways that they hide from the facts. If they saw what happens in a slaughter house and how animals die then I know there would be a lot more vegetarians. People live in this bubble where they do not face realities. | |||
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" I think that we have worked out that we are not actually "top of the food chain" no matter how you try to convince yourself of it. As for "it's not murder , I'd say that ending a life against it's will is murder no matter the creature." Who preys on you? We eradicated bears from these islands a long time ago. How do you know the will of an animal? | |||
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"I'm always ama_ed how meat eaters get offended by vegetarians. I tried to be vegetarian, but couldn't do it, although I do eat far less meat than I used to. I also eat quite a few meat substitutes, because I've been conditioned to like the taste of meat so try and replace it. If I can do that whilst preventing a single animal being killed, that seems like a good result all round. If you as a meat eater don't like that, what makes you think I care? Just chill and accept different people have different views - its called being an adult. It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent I dont think the author was preaching or being patronising. He simply offered a point of view. So you don't agree. So? Carry on eating meat and move along. " If the OP was simply to carry on being vegetarian and move along then this thread wouldn't exist - hence the preaching | |||
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"Well ive never seen a vegetarian lion xxx Neither have I. How is this relevant? " they eat meat kill it hunt it down until its exhausted then RIP it to bits and eat it .no sympathy for its family or care in the world how it meet its death humans don't do that xxx | |||
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"Well ive never seen a vegetarian lion xxx Neither have I. How is this relevant? they eat meat kill it hunt it down until its exhausted then RIP it to bits and eat it .no sympathy for its family or care in the world how it meet its death humans don't do that xxx No, humans artificially breed animals at an industrial scale, give them miserable lives in unethical conditions, and then kill them way before the end of their natural lifespan." if they weren't breed for the table they would not exist in the numbers they do animals have killed each other since the beginning of time there are hundreds if not thousands o carnivorous species on this planet the only difference is humans have learned how to raise slaughterhouses package preserve and sell xxx | |||
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"I don't see why there are so many meat substitutes. There is plenty of good vegetarian food out there, that mostly tastes better than some substitute. I'm sure the substitute is there to convert meat eaters. Back in the 16 hundreds meat referd to food. What is called meat now was called flesh. White meat was cheese. Be what you are. Eat what you eat, but if you ask me to dinner I'll have salad. " salad is what food eats xxx | |||
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"It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent It's only apparent because you're not used to it. Take a stroll down your local high street and make a note of how many signs you see for McDonald's, Burger King, Greggs, Subway, etc. advertising meat. Then take a stroll back the other way and count how many signs you see promoting veganism. I guarantee that there will be far more signs advertising meat. You just don't notice them because it's so ingrained in our culture. I'm talking about the individuals not business" OK, so in your day to day life, just note down how many times you come across people talking about meat ("I didn't have time for breakfast so I just picked up a bacon sarnie at the station", "I'm taking the family out for Sunday roast - my husband loves beef!", "I don't really like turkey at Christmas - it's too dry, but we always have it because of tradition" etc.) and compare it to the number of times you hear people talking about vegan food. Yet again, you'll notice that people talk about meat far more than you realised. | |||
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"It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent It's only apparent because you're not used to it. Take a stroll down your local high street and make a note of how many signs you see for McDonald's, Burger King, Greggs, Subway, etc. advertising meat. Then take a stroll back the other way and count how many signs you see promoting veganism. I guarantee that there will be far more signs advertising meat. You just don't notice them because it's so ingrained in our culture. I'm talking about the individuals not business OK, so in your day to day life, just note down how many times you come across people talking about meat ("I didn't have time for breakfast so I just picked up a bacon sarnie at the station", "I'm taking the family out for Sunday roast - my husband loves beef!", "I don't really like turkey at Christmas - it's too dry, but we always have it because of tradition" etc.) and compare it to the number of times you hear people talking about vegan food. Yet again, you'll notice that people talk about meat far more than you realised." and your point is xxx | |||
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"Well ive never seen a vegetarian lion xxx Neither have I. How is this relevant? they eat meat kill it hunt it down until its exhausted then RIP it to bits and eat it .no sympathy for its family or care in the world how it meet its death humans don't do that xxx No, humans artificially breed animals at an industrial scale, give them miserable lives in unethical conditions, and then kill them way before the end of their natural lifespan.if they weren't breed for the table they would not exist in the numbers they do animals have killed each other since the beginning of time there are hundreds if not thousands o carnivorous species on this planet the only difference is humans have learned how to raise slaughterhouses package preserve and sell xxx " You're correct - if they weren't bred for the table, then they WOULDN'T exist, and there would be far less suffering as a result. We wouldn't need as much land for agriculture, and instead there would be more wildlife to be found in natural habitats with functioning ecosystems. | |||
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"It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent It's only apparent because you're not used to it. Take a stroll down your local high street and make a note of how many signs you see for McDonald's, Burger King, Greggs, Subway, etc. advertising meat. Then take a stroll back the other way and count how many signs you see promoting veganism. I guarantee that there will be far more signs advertising meat. You just don't notice them because it's so ingrained in our culture. I'm talking about the individuals not business OK, so in your day to day life, just note down how many times you come across people talking about meat ("I didn't have time for breakfast so I just picked up a bacon sarnie at the station", "I'm taking the family out for Sunday roast - my husband loves beef!", "I don't really like turkey at Christmas - it's too dry, but we always have it because of tradition" etc.) and compare it to the number of times you hear people talking about vegan food. Yet again, you'll notice that people talk about meat far more than you realised." Believe me it's always the vegans you hear first, most and loudest | |||
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"and your point is xxx " The point is that promotion of meat eating is far more prevalent than people realise, and it's become so ubiquitous that people don't even notice it - it just becomes background noise. The only reason that people notice talk of veganism is because they're not used to hearing opposing views. | |||
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"and your point is xxx The point is that promotion of meat eating is far more prevalent than people realise, and it's become so ubiquitous that people don't even notice it - it just becomes background noise. The only reason that people notice talk of veganism is because they're not used to hearing opposing views." Did I miss the roast turkey and beef thread or the one about chipolatas? People notice talk of veganism as there's always a militancy attached to it | |||
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"and your point is xxx The point is that promotion of meat eating is far more prevalent than people realise, and it's become so ubiquitous that people don't even notice it - it just becomes background noise. The only reason that people notice talk of veganism is because they're not used to hearing opposing views." yes mate if you should ever have the misfortune to be face to face with a lion or such like carnivorous animal just make sure you got a bag of salad leaves as an alternative to yourself for dinner oh and maybe some mayo xxx | |||
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"yes mate if you should ever have the misfortune to be face to face with a lion or such like carnivorous animal just make sure you got a bag of salad leaves as an alternative to yourself for dinner oh and maybe some mayo xxx I don't know what garbled point you're trying to make here, and to be honest, I don't think you really know either." I know exactly what point I'm making your the the one that does not understand how the world works carnivores have been on this planet fro the very start they eat meat end of humans eat meat and vegetation we have just found a better way to harvest it .have you ever seen a vegetarian tiger they do exist they only eat vegans xxx do you even understand what would happen if there were no carnivores on this planet xxx | |||
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" I dont think the author was preaching or being patronising. He simply offered a point of view. So you don't agree. So? Carry on eating meat and move along. If the OP was simply to carry on being vegetarian and move along then this thread wouldn't exist - hence the preaching" Yeah a bit like those queers, going on marches, putting rainbow flags in coffee shops, gay IKEA adverts on TV, Pride this, Pride that...why don't they just carry on doing their stuff quietly and move along. | |||
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" I think that we have worked out that we are not actually "top of the food chain" no matter how you try to convince yourself of it. As for "it's not murder , I'd say that ending a life against it's will is murder no matter the creature. Who preys on you? We eradicated bears from these islands a long time ago. How do you know the will of an animal? " You did not mention anything about being 'top of the food chain' only in the UK. There are bears aplenty on mainland Europe though and talk of introducing more apex predator animals into the Highlands of Scotland. If you had seen inside a slaughter house and knew anything of animals there then you would be in no doubt of their will to live. You keep stubbornly deceiving yourself though but you are showing yourself to be petty and contrary. | |||
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"I'm always ama_ed how meat eaters get offended by vegetarians. I tried to be vegetarian, but couldn't do it, although I do eat far less meat than I used to. I also eat quite a few meat substitutes, because I've been conditioned to like the taste of meat so try and replace it. If I can do that whilst preventing a single animal being killed, that seems like a good result all round. If you as a meat eater don't like that, what makes you think I care? Just chill and accept different people have different views - its called being an adult. It's the preaching and proselytising from the vegetarians and vegans that's more apparent I dont think the author was preaching or being patronising. He simply offered a point of view. So you don't agree. So? Carry on eating meat and move along. If the OP was simply to carry on being vegetarian and move along then this thread wouldn't exist - hence the preaching" It's a forum for discussion. Just because you to not agree with something does not mean it is preaching. | |||
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"and your point is xxx The point is that promotion of meat eating is far more prevalent than people realise, and it's become so ubiquitous that people don't even notice it - it just becomes background noise. The only reason that people notice talk of veganism is because they're not used to hearing opposing views. Did I miss the roast turkey and beef thread or the one about chipolatas? People notice talk of veganism as there's always a militancy attached to it" Rather in the same way that gays/queers are militant about their sexuality when talking about our lives and wanting equal rights? Yea, I rememember that very well. | |||
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"Only issue being vegetarian is very expensive and not much choices . " Ha ha ha! If you eat meat there’s not much choice - beef, lamb, pork, chicken - that covers about 98% of your choices I’d say. Four different meats. I can choose from peas, carrots, artichokes, leeks, onions, cabbage, beans, kale, celeriac, swede, turnip, parsnip, spring onions, potatoes, Brussels sprouts, spinach .. I think that will do for now. Don’t even get me started on nuts, pulses and grains or we could be here all night! | |||
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"I'm not forcing it on anyone but just a reminder that meat is a m(urder)eat. Unlike some animals in the world humans have the capacity and greatness to be vegetarian. So maybe if you want to do some good this Xmas let Turkeys live and try something new and different and vegetarian. There are so many options and substitute meats have come a long way in the taste department. " no thanks meat for me nice beef roast thank you very much we need meat in our diet a vegan or vegetarian diet is not healthy trust me I know lots of ex vegans makes me laugh so much you don't want to eat meat yet you want all your products to taste and look like meat unfuckingbelievable! it's your choice not mine!!! | |||
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"makes me laugh so much you don't want to eat meat yet you want all your products to taste and look like meat unfuckingbelievable!"You want to eat dead animals yet you do everything you can (burgers, sausages, nice little neatly cut steaks in plastic packaging) to try to disguise the fact that your products come from dead animals. Unfuckingbelievable! | |||
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"Humans have been carnivorous for thousands of years now the pathetic, wokist, snowflake generation are here and try to tell us that it's wrong! My sentiments to them are clear, but I fear a seasonal suspension if I dare to utter the relevant ancient two word phrase here! " The proportion of meat in our diet will have been far less thousands of years ago. There also weren't 8 billion people on the planet back then. Times have changed, and we need to reassess how we can use our resources efficiently. | |||
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"Humans have been carnivorous for thousands of years now the pathetic, wokist, snowflake generation are here and try to tell us that it's wrong! My sentiments to them are clear, but I fear a seasonal suspension if I dare to utter the relevant ancient two word phrase here! " Why so angry? | |||
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"It annoys me when I see, 'not chicken strips' in the supermarket. Surely they should be sold as what they are rather than what they are not." "Not chicken strips" seems a huge irony, surely the dietary market they are aimed at is vegetarian or vegan so why would they even want to eat something that was a chicken substitute?? | |||
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"Humans have been carnivorous for thousands of years now the pathetic, wokist, snowflake generation are here and try to tell us that it's wrong! My sentiments to them are clear, but I fear a seasonal suspension if I dare to utter the relevant ancient two word phrase here! Why so angry?" Despite its tough exterior, gammon is indeed the most tender of all the meats! | |||
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