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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn." least they got him gay or straight not safe as it once was | |||
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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn." What made you want to do that then? | |||
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" What made you want to do that then?" You mean highlight a court case where a white supremacist plotted the slaughter of LGBT people in this country? Isn't it obvious? We're on a website for gay males. | |||
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"I fear this is an uphill struggle, the right wing is becoming more prevalent by the day, in Europe is seems to be almost normalised " Normalised? …..That’s because right wing politics is perfectly normal in Europe, as is left wing | |||
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"I fear this is an uphill struggle, the right wing is becoming more prevalent by the day, in Europe is seems to be almost normalised Normalised? …..That’s because right wing politics is perfectly normal in Europe, as is left wing " www.ibanet.org/The-year-of-elections-The-rise-of-Europes-far-right | |||
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"Coincidentally, I was in Soho yesterday walking by the Admiral Nelson pub that suffered a bomb attack by a neo nazi in 1999. " The Three Crowns pub in Bangor was burned down in an arson attack is 2014 although that was probably a homophobic attack rather than a far right group | |||
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" What made you want to do that then? You mean highlight a court case where a white supremacist plotted the slaughter of LGBT people in this country? Isn't it obvious? We're on a website for gay males." Thought you was admitting something | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." Very true | |||
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" Thought you was admitting something " What did you think I was guilty of ? | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." I'd say the judge is spot on to describe someone as a "right-wing extremist" when they admire Anders Brevik, espouse Nazi ideology, and express hatred of Jews, Muslims and LGBT | |||
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"Coincidentally, I was in Soho yesterday walking by the Admiral Nelson pub that suffered a bomb attack by a neo nazi in 1999. " Whenever I’m in Soho I try to make sure I make time to pop into the Admiral Duncan (if that’s the pub you meant?) for a drink and have another look at the commemorative sculpture on the ceiling to give a thought to those who suffered in that terrible spate of bombings in London. | |||
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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn." Any potential or actual homophobic attack should be called out at every turn as homophobic, except it isn't... The gay men killed in Reading all those years ago were killed by a Libyan refugee, however, the media seemed uncomfortable saying the motive was very likely to be homophobic. It suits the narrative of the media to label pretty much everyone as a right wing extremist and yet they struggle calling a refugee 'homophobic'. | |||
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" Thought you was admitting something What did you think I was guilty of ?" I couldn’t speculate | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics. I'd say the judge is spot on to describe someone as a "right-wing extremist" when they admire Anders Brevik, espouse Nazi ideology, and express hatred of Jews, Muslims and LGBT" It suits your narrative as well, Mr Jevo, as they were probably Brexit voters too. | |||
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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn. Any potential or actual homophobic attack should be called out at every turn as homophobic, except it isn't... The gay men killed in Reading all those years ago were killed by a Libyan refugee, however, the media seemed uncomfortable saying the motive was very likely to be homophobic. It suits the narrative of the media to label pretty much everyone as a right wing extremist and yet they struggle calling a refugee 'homophobic'." When it comes to reporting court cases, the freedom of the media is constrained by the evidence presented in court - any reporting beyond the evidence presented in court is excluded from "privelege', i.e. protection from legal action. If there is no evidence presented in court that the murders were aggravated by hatred of LGBT, the media simply cannot make it up and report it as fact, as much as it may suit your bias to read that into it. In yesterday's case, the accused's hatred of LGBT was part of the evidence presented to the court, upon which a jury found him guilty of terrorism charges. | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. " I'm not getting defensive...these pond life deserve all they get. My issue is that you're all over this because it involves right wing extremists...were it pretty much anyone else, you'd be less bothered. You're enjoying the misery. | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. I'm not getting defensive...these pond life deserve all they get. My issue is that you're all over this because it involves right wing extremists...were it pretty much anyone else, you'd be less bothered. You're enjoying the misery." why does this case give you misery? | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." I mean that might be true if he wasnt doing it to further his political ideology in some manner. This was an actual proud nazi. | |||
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"Every attack on a gay person isn't a right wing extremist. Also anyone who disagrees with the government is classed as right wing. Whereas a few years ago it was called a difference of opinion ." You're essentially defending a proud neo nazi claiming it might not be politics..... | |||
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" It suits your narrative as well, Mr Jevo, as they were probably Brexit voters too." My narrative? I say well done to the police and security services - and especially the member of the public who alerted them to the on-line hatred being espoused by this person in corners of the internet inhabited by far-right extremists. They do a good job these days of protecting you and me from the haters. | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. " I wouldn't deem something to be true just because a judge said it. A judge awarded custody to Sara Sharif's dad. Judges aren't always correct. | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. I'm not getting defensive...these pond life deserve all they get. My issue is that you're all over this because it involves right wing extremists...were it pretty much anyone else, you'd be less bothered. You're enjoying the misery." No, he's all over it because a nutter was planning to kill a lot of gay people. The right wing extremists part is what was in the report, he also hated Jews. If your more worried about a description than the actions of linking people then I think you need to have a word with yourself. | |||
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"There is a marked difference between right wing politics, and the extreme right wing nutters. It is perfectly normal and acceptable to disagree with so much socialist dogma or we end up in a one party state! And of course the World has had more than its fair share of left wing extremists. (Nazi = Germany's National socialist Party for instance)" It's so cool when people try the Nazis were real socialists. It definitely shows a good grasp of politics and economics. | |||
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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn. What made you want to do that then?" ... the uphill struggle becomes crystal clear! | |||
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"This guy was part of a proscribed far right terrorist organisation. The idea that we shouldn't say this was political is insane." Absolutely. My point is that other similar stories are covered differently because it involves attacks by the refugee community etc. People are it seems less comfortable talking about similar stories when they can't use words like 'right wing extremist'. People seem selective on those they don't like. Some homophobia is worse than others it seems to some. | |||
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"This guy was part of a proscribed far right terrorist organisation. The idea that we shouldn't say this was political is insane. Absolutely. My point is that other similar stories are covered differently because it involves attacks by the refugee community etc. People are it seems less comfortable talking about similar stories when they can't use words like 'right wing extremist'. People seem selective on those they don't like. Some homophobia is worse than others it seems to some." I think the issue is trying to apply motive to someone's actions when they are never stated as is often the case with lone wolf types. If they clearly are members of a movement it's much easier to point to what they are. | |||
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" My point is that other similar stories are covered differently because it involves attacks by the refugee community etc. " No evidence was presented in the case you refer to that the murders were motivated by hatred of LGBT. Evidence was presented in this case that the accused was motivated by hatred of LGBT (among others). The victims in the case you refer to were LGBT. They may also have been all white, all black, all piano players or all supporters of Reading FC. If the accused left behind no evidence of motivation, if the accused remained silent during interview, it is not possible to make the case in court that you repeatedly make in here. | |||
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"I fear the left more... they label any views that do not conform with their world view as far right" Sorry a neonazi was planning to murder gay people and your take away is to fear left wing people? | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics. I mean that might be true if he wasnt doing it to further his political ideology in some manner. This was an actual proud nazi." I have tried, unsuccessfully, to google this story so I don't know the facts e.g. the name of the person, his political stance, what court sentenced him etc. etc. We all know our dear friend Sara, the OP, has a downer on anyone who is not of a left-wing persuasion, hence my reaction. | |||
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"Stonewall list various attacks on gay people from pushing the into a canal to being pushed under a bus ? I am curious as to why you highlighted this case ?" The guy had an armoury of weapons at home and wanted to slaughter LGBT people in a club. He's a terrorist. | |||
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You don't need to fear people just because they have different political opinions to yourself.
But when they are planning to enact those ideas with a machete, that's a different kettle of fish. | |||
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"Every attack on a gay person isn't a right wing extremist. Also anyone who disagrees with the government is classed as right wing. Whereas a few years ago it was called a difference of opinion ." "Edward promoted a banned far-right Neo-Nazi group online and kept a large quantity of weapons. He also incited racial and antisemitic hatred and Holocaust denial. When officers attended at his address in the Wholequarter Avenue area of Falkirk in September 2022, a number of weapons were seized. Enquiries established that between December 2017 and September 2022, he posted and shared videos, memes and images online of a racist, homophobic and violent nature, including information associated with extreme right-wing groups." | |||
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"Yes, the political ideology that motivated the accused is what elevated the charges to acts of terrorism, and hence lead to a heavier punishment. Some people on here seem to have difficulty with acknowledging a terrorist who does not fit their stereotype. In the UK, there's essentially 3 types: - Islamic extremists (who'll slaughter anyone) - Right-wing extremists (who'll slaughter Jews, Muslims and LGBT) - Northern Ireland extremists (who'll slaughter each other)" Interestingly, Sara, the IRA was a left-wing extremist group which killed British people. Thankfully now, in Northern Ireland, all is well. We don't kill each other anymore. How did we achieve this? Well, it's dead easy. Put the terrorists into government and let them have dinner with the Queen. So, how would you feel about the right-wing extremist becoming the education secretary and the islamist extremists becoming deputy prime minister? I was born and bred in Belfast and lived there all through the troubles. I knew people killed by the IRA and others left with horrendous, life-changing injuries. The greatest danger in this world is that there is a trend towards polarisation and that will not serve any of us well. | |||
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" The greatest danger in this world is that there is a trend towards polarisation and that will not serve any of us well." The difference, I think, is that the violence in NI was an extreme manifestation of two legitimate political objectives - sovereignty of the six counties. I don't think anyone would consider there are legitimate political objectives behind the violence attached at right-wing extremism or Islamic extremism - one seeks ethnic cleansing, and the other seeks holy war between east and west. | |||
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"No, not in America, in the UK. Jailed yesterday for 10 years and placed on the terror "watch list" for 30 years after his release. The evidence included an exchange of messages about an attack on a gay club in central Scotland. Right-wing extremism needs to be called out at every turn." So extremists or just right wing ones ? Is it your opinion that left wing extemists would never attempt such things ? | |||
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" Is it your opinion that left wing extemists would never attempt such things ?" Anyone who pursues authoritarianism threatens the values of liberal democracy | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." What is "Starmeresque" about calling out a 'right-wing extremist' FFS? He's not actually Shakespeare or Pinter. A bit cheap to use the PM's name to imply some sort of Kafkaesque malarkey going on. And the acts are "vile, mindless, inhuman aggression" but it is the perpetrators who claim whatever motive for the act. No-one is making stuff up about their politics to protect some lone nutter. | |||
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"Coincidentally, I was in Soho yesterday walking by the Admiral Nelson pub that suffered a bomb attack by a neo nazi in 1999. " I was in that pub that night. Left about an hour or so before the bomb went off. Read about it next day. Remember a hetrosexual bride n groom in there. 🙁 | |||
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"Stonewall list various attacks on gay people from pushing the into a canal to being pushed under a bus ? I am curious as to why you highlighted this case ? The guy had an armoury of weapons at home and wanted to slaughter LGBT people in a club.he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case He's a terrorist." | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case " The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. " As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out. | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out." You have a problem with someone calling out an LGBT-hating terrorist in the UK whom a judge warns will be a threat to us for the rest of their lives? | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out." I don't remember you objecting to posts about LGBT clubs in the US being attacked by a terrorist. But here you are objecting to a post about the police and security services intercepting a similar plot here. It's most peculiar. | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out." Well it is breaking news, so it is currently relevant. When that columbian killed the gay elderly couple and the news came out in July, it was breaking news, hence the several threads. Many people in the threads were blaming Muslim migrants, until the news came out and said he was a Colombian. It’s almost as if people speak about breaking news because that is what is relevant at the time | |||
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"Can’t believe I’m seeing people annoyed that Sara has described the man as a right wing extremist. Mind you, he is a neo-Nazi who idolised Anders Breivik, expressed his hatred for Jews, Muslims, and gay people. He is being labeled as a far right extremist because he holds views and values of someone that’s far right. If he held values of the far left, he’d be a far left extremist. So much whataboutism too" Probably because in the past Sara has had a downer on all non-left-wing people. Tends to lump all people of a right-wing persuasion, however moderate, under the same umbrella. I have since managed to find out about this appalling character and the subsequent court case. Seems he hated Jews and Muslims as much, if not more, than gays. A fanatic. A terrorist. Someone who should be locked up for a long time and, if eventually released, kept under close scrutiny. | |||
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" Probably because in the past Sara has had a downer on all non-left-wing people. " I've a downer on extremism - right OR left. The further to the right or left someone travels, the more intolerant they become of people who do not conform to their prejudice. At its extreme, you get characters like this who want to cleanse society of his non-conformers. | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics. What is "Starmeresque" about calling out a 'right-wing extremist' FFS? He's not actually Shakespeare or Pinter. A bit cheap to use the PM's name to imply some sort of Kafkaesque malarkey going on. And the acts are "vile, mindless, inhuman aggression" but it is the perpetrators who claim whatever motive for the act. No-one is making stuff up about their politics to protect some lone nutter." Like it or not your hero, Sir Keir, has made a point of calling a lot of people right-wing extremists whether they have genuinely committed a crime or just expressed a view, often more out of frustration than anything else. Strange how far-left people never get called extremist or terrorists yet many terrorists and extreme tyrannical dictatorships throughout the world have been far-left. | |||
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"Can’t believe I’m seeing people annoyed that Sara has described the man as a right wing extremist. Mind you, he is a neo-Nazi who idolised Anders Breivik, expressed his hatred for Jews, Muslims, and gay people. He is being labeled as a far right extremist because he holds views and values of someone that’s far right. If he held values of the far left, he’d be a far left extremist. So much whataboutism too Probably because in the past Sara has had a downer on all non-left-wing people. Tends to lump all people of a right-wing persuasion, however moderate, under the same umbrella. I have since managed to find out about this appalling character and the subsequent court case. Seems he hated Jews and Muslims as much, if not more, than gays. A fanatic. A terrorist. Someone who should be locked up for a long time and, if eventually released, kept under close scrutiny." Exactly, and that i feel was the whole point of the post. He was an extremist and a very dangerous individual. | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics. What is "Starmeresque" about calling out a 'right-wing extremist' FFS? He's not actually Shakespeare or Pinter. A bit cheap to use the PM's name to imply some sort of Kafkaesque malarkey going on. And the acts are "vile, mindless, inhuman aggression" but it is the perpetrators who claim whatever motive for the act. No-one is making stuff up about their politics to protect some lone nutter. Like it or not your hero, Sir Keir, has made a point of calling a lot of people right-wing extremists whether they have genuinely committed a crime or just expressed a view, often more out of frustration than anything else. Strange how far-left people never get called extremist or terrorists yet many terrorists and extreme tyrannical dictatorships throughout the world have been far-left." His use of the word right wing extremists describing people burning refugees in pogroms over the summer was accurate. You do love a whataboutary e | |||
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" Exactly, and that i feel was the whole point of the post. He was an extremist and a very dangerous individual. " It was - and we need to be calling out these people whenever we come across them, so the police and security services can capture them. | |||
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"Can’t believe I’m seeing people annoyed that Sara has described the man as a right wing extremist. Mind you, he is a neo-Nazi who idolised Anders Breivik, expressed his hatred for Jews, Muslims, and gay people. He is being labeled as a far right extremist because he holds views and values of someone that’s far right. If he held values of the far left, he’d be a far left extremist. So much whataboutism too Probably because in the past Sara has had a downer on all non-left-wing people. Tends to lump all people of a right-wing persuasion, however moderate, under the same umbrella. I have since managed to find out about this appalling character and the subsequent court case. Seems he hated Jews and Muslims as much, if not more, than gays. A fanatic. A terrorist. Someone who should be locked up for a long time and, if eventually released, kept under close scrutiny." That’s just whataboutism, this post currently speaking about a genuine right wing extremist. Why people are getting annoyed that that’s being pointed out is quite insane. Of course there are extremists on both sides, I personally think being far left and being far right are both incredibly stupid, and dangerous. | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out. I don't remember you objecting to posts about LGBT clubs in the US being attacked by a terrorist. But here you are objecting to a post about the police and security services intercepting a similar plot here. It's most peculiar." The posts would've been there had that issue been discussed and had I been on the forums. I hate all violence against anyone, but I also hate the different slants people have depending on the perpetrators being this or that. Had this involved people of colour as the criminals, I doubt Mr Jevo would've posted it. | |||
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".he isn't the only terrorist so why did you highlight thus case The relevance to this community forum is he was specifically targeting us. As do many horrible people. The issue is that you seem selective on who you call out. I don't remember you objecting to posts about LGBT clubs in the US being attacked by a terrorist. But here you are objecting to a post about the police and security services intercepting a similar plot here. It's most peculiar. The posts would've been there had that issue been discussed and had I been on the forums. I hate all violence against anyone, but I also hate the different slants people have depending on the perpetrators being this or that. Had this involved people of colour as the criminals, I doubt Mr Jevo would've posted it." I rather think he would as it was about homophobia. You may be letting your own thoughts get in the way of the actual issue of the guy charged. | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics. What is "Starmeresque" about calling out a 'right-wing extremist' FFS? He's not actually Shakespeare or Pinter. A bit cheap to use the PM's name to imply some sort of Kafkaesque malarkey going on. And the acts are "vile, mindless, inhuman aggression" but it is the perpetrators who claim whatever motive for the act. No-one is making stuff up about their politics to protect some lone nutter. Like it or not your hero, Sir Keir, has made a point of calling a lot of people right-wing extremists whether they have genuinely committed a crime or just expressed a view, often more out of frustration than anything else. Strange how far-left people never get called extremist or terrorists yet many terrorists and extreme tyrannical dictatorships throughout the world have been far-left. His use of the word right wing extremists describing people burning refugees in pogroms over the summer was accurate. You do love a whataboutary e" Thus sayeth Mr Kettle in calling the pot black | |||
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"Its about time many people grew up and stopped blaming labels like left wing, right wing, politicians, Religion and any other mask these extreme nutters hide behind.They are what they are, Seriously sick dangerous individuals" 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." Exactly | |||
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"I fear the left more... they label any views that do not conform with their world view as far right" Unlike the right who label Starmer a socialist/communist when he tries to….well do anything really. | |||
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"Extremists are the problem, be they right wing or left wing. This individual was clearly about as far to the right as you can get. Left wing extremism doesn't appear to be as prevalent as it once was, although at some point it will rise again, it's one big not so merry go round. Polarisation along with a lack of respect, empathy and tolerance will ruin society. Sorry to be a curmudgeon " The most sensible contribution on here | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. " yesterday’s terrorist is todays freedom fighter or have you not seen Lammy rushing to send money we are told we haven’t got to aid the isis fighters now in charge in Syria | |||
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" yesterday’s terrorist is todays freedom fighter or have you not seen Lammy rushing to send money we are told we haven’t got to aid the isis fighters now in charge in Syria " You call someone who wants to cleanse society of LGBT a "freedom fighter" FFS give your head a wobble! | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. yesterday’s terrorist is todays freedom fighter or have you not seen Lammy rushing to send money we are told we haven’t got to aid the isis fighters now in charge in Syria " Please read a wider range of news so that you don't seem so erm.. t'ick. Bless you. | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. yesterday’s terrorist is todays freedom fighter or have you not seen Lammy rushing to send money we are told we haven’t got to aid the isis fighters now in charge in Syria Please read a wider range of news so that you don't seem so erm.. t'ick. Bless you." sorry to offend princess | |||
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"Coincidentally, I was in Soho yesterday walking by the Admiral Nelson pub that suffered a bomb attack by a neo nazi in 1999. " Did you go in? Boring pub during the day but livens up a bit at night. There's a plaque on the wall in memory of the people there when it happened. | |||
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"Can’t believe I’m seeing people annoyed that Sara has described the man as a right wing extremist. Mind you, he is a neo-Nazi who idolised Anders Breivik, expressed his hatred for Jews, Muslims, and gay people. He is being labeled as a far right extremist because he holds views and values of someone that’s far right. If he held values of the far left, he’d be a far left extremist. So much whataboutism too" Yep, pretty much on brand for the forums nowadays. | |||
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"Right wing? It's that group from the"religion of peace",that actually main and kill anyone they don't agree with." Satire or just stupid? 🤣 | |||
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"I've had a BLT club sandwich. Is an LGBT club similar? Maybe more pork sausage? 😋" Hate to disappoint you but one cafe was doing LGBT sandwiches. The G was for gherkin. Not to everyone's taste. | |||
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"Yes, the political ideology that motivated the accused is what elevated the charges to acts of terrorism, and hence lead to a heavier punishment. Some people on here seem to have difficulty with acknowledging a terrorist who does not fit their stereotype. In the UK, there's essentially 3 types: - Islamic extremists (who'll slaughter anyone) - Right-wing extremists (who'll slaughter Jews, Muslims and LGBT) - Northern Ireland extremists (who'll slaughter each other)" You’ve left off “Left-Wing Anarchists / extremists”… example below from earlier this year. Neither left nor right have a monopoly on extremism, nor in having ‘nutters’. But the vitriol that these extremists believe, and violently promote, shouldn't then be casually linked by politicians with the law-abiding ranks of mainstream left-wing or right-wing citizens. To do so is dishonest. After all, there is nothing wrong with holding left or right wing views, as long as peaceful. “A left-wing anarchist has been found guilty of preparing acts of terrorism by compiling and sharing a bomb-making manual, after declaring that he wanted to kill at least 50 people.” [Sky News] | |||
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"Why are people getting so defensive about a Neo-Nazi who plotted to kill people like you and whom the judge herself called a "right-wing extremist"? One of the charges he was convicted of was promoting a prescribed terrorist organisation - National Action. yesterday’s terrorist is todays freedom fighter or have you not seen Lammy rushing to send money we are told we haven’t got to aid the isis fighters now in charge in Syria Please read a wider range of news so that you don't seem so erm.. t'ick. Bless you. sorry to offend princess " Not offended at all sweet cheeks. Just pointing out that you have zero ideas of what goes on overseas. | |||
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"If someone is planting a bomb, pointing a gun or running amok with a blade causing mayhem, the last thing on my mind would be whether the person was right or left wing. Id just be concerned that it was a lunatic, trying to kill me, and be either trying to escape or fight him off. "  | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." Has everything to do with politics. His political extremist beliefs were the reason. Judge even said so. You carry on with spouting the agenda you always do though. | |||
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" Had this involved people of colour as the criminals, I doubt Mr Jevo would've posted it." You're inferring the reason I posted this is racially motivated. Really? The reason I posted this is because someone living in our midst was plotting to chop us up with an armoury of knives and machetes. You seem less concerned about that than you are about the judge labelling him a right-wing extremist and white supremacist. | |||
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"If someone is planting a bomb, pointing a gun or running amok with a blade causing mayhem, the last thing on my mind would be whether the person was right or left wing. Id just be concerned that it was a lunatic, trying to kill me, and be either trying to escape or fight him off. " Look at the dreadful scenes and victim toll in Magdeburg. Just one extremist in a car FFS. Scary. | |||
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"Its called a political spectrum for a reason, there is extremists at both ends." Seems to be growing. Usually does as economic hardship gets worse. | |||
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"Coincidentally, I was in Soho yesterday walking by the Admiral Nelson pub that suffered a bomb attack by a neo nazi in 1999. " The ones who are serious aren't stupid enough to advertise themselves online. They will just plan discreetly and act. | |||
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" It suits your narrative as well, Mr Jevo, as they were probably Brexit voters too. My narrative? I say well done to the police and security services - and especially the member of the public who alerted them to the on-line hatred being espoused by this person in corners of the internet inhabited by far-right extremists. They do a good job these days of protecting you and me from the haters." they were caught unlike the pub boming in Soho ok he was caught after the event just to watch your back out there!! | |||
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"This guy is an abomination and I am more than glad that he has been caught and jailed before anyone was harmed. However I do get a bit fed-up with this Starmeresque phrase 'right-wing extremist'. Very often these acts, or would be acts, of vile, mindless, inhuman aggression have nothing to do with politics." Please be careful with thoughts like that you could be associated with the right wing thinking association. Repent repent now before you are seen/heard. | |||
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