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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers" Usual people think you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. | |||
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"Is it all part of the WEF instructions?" Nope. | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales m CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers Usual people think you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. " You won't grow the economy if cripple the small businesses with higher bills, Less jobs equals less tax collection higher benefits hence labour will then raise tax again while paying money to unions foreigners and silly climate control ideas | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers" Fake News spread by the Daily (frail) Mail as usual. just keep calm and carry on | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers Usual people think you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. "  | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers" Maybe you should vote Nigel - because he’s so switched on. You can’t fix 14 years of failure in five months | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers Usual people think you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. " . Oh. He s breaking a great deal. Time even for you to remove your tinted specs. | |||
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"Is it all part of the WEF instructions?" . No. Much closer to home unfortunately | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers Usual people think you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. . Oh. He s breaking a great deal. Time even for you to remove your tinted specs." 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"Is it all part of the WEF instructions?" Of course, applies to most of Europe.France,and Germany, especially. | |||
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"There's a 30.illion quid black hole in the countries annual finances. Anyone want to guess what brexit is costing the UK? You guessed it. " The Bank of England and OBR,said there was no black hole.You know Labour have pledged to waste £200 billion plus. | |||
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"What recession Oxford Street , Regents Street and Tottenham court road was rammed with Xmas shoppers yesterday (Sunday) " Probably all on plastic, any change in circumstances and people are screwed. The “ haves” and the irresponsible are always out in force , the “have nots” and the “ just getting by” were at home . I’d hazard a guess there were more people at home , than in the West End. It’s not looking good is it? | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkersFake News spread by the Daily (frail) Mail as usual. just keep calm and carry on " 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me " | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers" Investments down in value. | |||
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"There's a 30.illion quid black hole in the countries annual finances. Anyone want to guess what brexit is costing the UK? You guessed it. " . That's false news. The black hole is at that level now because the wild spending by Starmer. Paying off the unions, and giving handout abroad. But it's the direction we're going in is the worry. Debt are not areal worry if we had growth. But that has stopped Since starmer came in andb. The forecast is worse | |||
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"I found £15 in my coat pocket earlier " be careful Rachel accounts will be knocking on your door for a cut of it | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me " Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now" . We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow" Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? " . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc" Production had already fallen by over 25% by 2019. Before the chip shortage, before Ukraine, before Covid. Would you like to patronise me some more now, Mr Research? | |||
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"What recession Oxford Street , Regents Street and Tottenham court road was rammed with Xmas shoppers yesterday (Sunday) " Shoplifting gangs ?  | |||
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"In a finite world there must come a time when growth stops." Especially when we haven't enough labour to fill the jobs that's growth provides....hmm I wonder why that is? | |||
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"In a finite world there must come a time when growth stops. Especially when we haven't enough labour to fill the jobs that's growth provides....hmm I wonder why that is? " . Well UK population has increased massively. So explain that | |||
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"Umm it hasn't, population growth is at less than 1% with unemployment levels at 4%. Unfortunately we have a lack of skilled labour that is required for growth of our infrastructure as the great unwashed of the UK are too lazy to get their hands dirty." . No. No. No. You can't take population just over 12 months. In 2022 we had highest growth rate ever. Only couple years ago. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) " . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. | |||
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"Umm it hasn't, population growth is at less than 1% with unemployment levels at 4%. Unfortunately we have a lack of skilled labour that is required for growth of our infrastructure as the great unwashed of the UK are too lazy to get their hands dirty.. No. No. No. You can't take population just over 12 months. In 2022 we had highest growth rate ever. Only couple years ago." Exactly You realise that you have just argued against your own argument? You can't use one year as a trend. | |||
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"If these so called pensioners are pledging poverty why are the football shopping 🛒🛒 in Mark's and Spencer's and not Aldi and Lidl or if they have a more card god for bid shopping in Morrisons.." So what exactly is football shopping ? | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. " Misogynistic bollocks. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. " Pensioners do take out more from the economy than they contribute 1. State pension: one of the largest expenses 2. Healthcare, over 40% of the NHS spending goes towards people aged 65+ 3. Benefits and support And because people are living longer, these expenses are just increasing | |||
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"There's a 30.illion quid black hole in the countries annual finances. Anyone want to guess what brexit is costing the UK? You guessed it. . That's false news. The black hole is at that level now because the wild spending by Starmer. Paying off the unions, and giving handout abroad. But it's the direction we're going in is the worry. Debt are not areal worry if we had growth. But that has stopped Since starmer came in andb. The forecast is worse" Starmer constantly blames the Tories for the entire £22 billion deficit which he tries to sensationalise by using the term "black-hole"!! Yet the £22 billion deficit in the UK economy is attributed to various factors. A Treasury audit found that the forecast overspend on departmental spending is expected to be £21.9 billion above the resource departmental expenditure limit totals set by the Treasury at Spring Budget 2024 These are the key contributors to the deficit:- Public Sector Pay Awards:- £9.4 billion, primarily due to Starmer's government accepting recommendations for public sector pay awards in 2024/25! Normal Reserve Claims:- £8.6 billion, although the specifics of this category are unclear. Asylum and Illegal Migration Costs:- £6.4 billion. Rail Passenger Services and Maintenance Costs:- £2.9 billion New Policy Commitments:- £2.6 billion, including extending the Household Support Fund and launching the Advanced British Standard qualification framework Overhang from Previous Years' Pay Awards:- £2.2 billion. Military and Civilian Support for Ukraine:- £1.7 billion. Additional Health Costs:- £1.5 billion. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. " Sorry my friend but pensioners in every circumstance take more from an economy than they contribute. I'm not talking about how much an individual contribute over their life. Any country with an aging g population will suffer economically. It's basic economics. | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks." Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Pensioners do take out more from the economy than they contribute 1. State pension: one of the largest expenses 2. Healthcare, over 40% of the NHS spending goes towards people aged 65+ 3. Benefits and support And because people are living longer, these expenses are just increasing " . Wow, hang on sunshine. State pensions were paid in for over 50 years contributions. That's no hand out pensioners in hospitals are there because the support system has been broken. Where's your figures for unemployment. For child support, for back to work schemes. For retraining schemes, for young people education. For teens apprenticeships Thats just off the top of my head. Don't cherry pic your research to make a point. Child benefits, play areas, preschool grants, university grants, schools list is endless. Your not including cost of modern equipment placed into hospitals in your figures. Ie scanners x ray etc costing millions plus training etc all supplied and used but not within your figures | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. " Kwasi Kwarteng perhaps? | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. " "Rachel from accounts"...thanks dinosaur | |||
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"For child support, for back to work schemes. For retraining schemes, for young people education. For teens apprenticeships Thats just off the top of my head. Don't cherry pic your research to make a point. Child benefits, play areas, preschool grants, university grants, schools list is endless. Your not including cost of modern equipment placed into hospitals in your figures. Ie scanners x ray etc costing millions plus training etc all supplied and used but not within your figures" There's a big difference. Benefits that go to a working population are offset by taxes that are paid - a net profit. Sure pensioners pay taxes back to the government on the benefits given to them by the government - a net loss. I'm not arguing that those eensioners don't deserve their Benefits but it's a fundamental fact that pensioners obviously take more than give from the current economic position. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Sorry my friend but pensioners in every circumstance take more from an economy than they contribute. I'm not talking about how much an individual contribute over their life. Any country with an aging g population will suffer economically. It's basic economics." With due respect, you cannot attempt to completely ignore the huge financial contribution today's pensioners have made to the UK economy in their 40+ years of working life!! Not forgetting the total amount of NI contributions and Income Tax paid to the Treasury over that period!! Also their per capita GDP contribution should be taken into account. Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation. | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. "Rachel from accounts"...thanks dinosaur" What's wrong with being an accountant? Don't be such a sexist snob ... But well done for white knighting Rachel from accounts .... Very virtuous of you to step in & defend her honor  | |||
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"What recession Oxford Street , Regents Street and Tottenham court road was rammed with Xmas shoppers yesterday (Sunday) " I'm not taking sides here but I was chatting to a Tesco manager this morning and he said that business was much slower this year than last and he'd be surprised if it pulls back up by the end of Christmas eve. | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. "Rachel from accounts"...thanks dinosaur What's wrong with being an accountant? Don't be such a sexist snob ... But well done for white knighting Rachel from accounts .... Very virtuous of you to step in & defend her honor "It's spelt "honour" or are you some sort of Reform bot spouting this nonsense? | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. "Rachel from accounts"...thanks dinosaur What's wrong with being an accountant? Don't be such a sexist snob ... But well done for white knighting Rachel from accounts .... Very virtuous of you to step in & defend her honor
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" What's wrong with being an accountant? Don't be such a sexist snob ... But well done for white knighting Rachel from accounts .... Very virtuous of you to step in & defend her honor
It's spelt "honour" or are you some sort of Reform bot spouting this nonsense?
You thought I was a dinosaur a minute ago .... Bot or dinosaur? I'll let you choose ... It seems important to you"Know what? There are several things I don't give a flying fuck about at the moment and you have momentarily just risen to the top of the list. | |||
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"Thank god Rachel from accounts has her hand upon the financial tiller of the UK's economy..... I'm sure she's absolutely fizzing with innovative ideas that are guaranteed to get us out of the slump and further toward a socialist paradise. Misogynistic bollocks. Not at all .... Their sex is completely irrelevant. What matters is their acumen and abilities in the job they've been tasked to do. So far, they've been woefully out of their depth and made things worse rather than better. Possibly the wrong woman for the job? Should have chosen an actual economist rather than a wannabe. "Rachel from accounts"...thanks dinosaur What's wrong with being an accountant? Don't be such a sexist snob ... But well done for white knighting Rachel from accounts .... Very virtuous of you to step in & defend her honor
It's spelt "honour" or are you some sort of Reform bot spouting this nonsense?
You thought I was a dinosaur a minute ago .... Bot or dinosaur? I'll let you choose ... It seems important to you"Oh please! Do stop bickering girls! | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Sorry my friend but pensioners in every circumstance take more from an economy than they contribute. I'm not talking about how much an individual contribute over their life. Any country with an aging g population will suffer economically. It's basic economics. With due respect, you cannot attempt to completely ignore the huge financial contribution today's pensioners have made to the UK economy in their 40+ years of working life!! Not forgetting the total amount of NI contributions and Income Tax paid to the Treasury over that period!! Also their per capita GDP contribution should be taken into account. Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation." With even more due respect are you completely ignoring my very specific point that's states that the pensioner drain relates to our current economic position? I absolutely acknowledge that pensioners contributed to economic growth while they were working. | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Pensioners do take out more from the economy than they contribute 1. State pension: one of the largest expenses 2. Healthcare, over 40% of the NHS spending goes towards people aged 65+ 3. Benefits and support And because people are living longer, these expenses are just increasing . Wow, hang on sunshine. State pensions were paid in for over 50 years contributions. That's no hand out pensioners in hospitals are there because the support system has been broken. Where's your figures for unemployment. For child support, for back to work schemes. For retraining schemes, for young people education. For teens apprenticeships Thats just off the top of my head. Don't cherry pic your research to make a point. Child benefits, play areas, preschool grants, university grants, schools list is endless. Your not including cost of modern equipment placed into hospitals in your figures. Ie scanners x ray etc costing millions plus training etc all supplied and used but not within your figures" “What about what about what about” it’s a concrete fact which can’t be argued that the pensioners take more from the economy than they put in. Also, nowhere did I say they’re getting “handouts”. I respect pensioners, but your original point was that they do not take more than they give, which is just not true | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Sorry my friend but pensioners in every circumstance take more from an economy than they contribute. I'm not talking about how much an individual contribute over their life. Any country with an aging g population will suffer economically. It's basic economics. With due respect, you cannot attempt to completely ignore the huge financial contribution today's pensioners have made to the UK economy in their 40+ years of working life!! Not forgetting the total amount of NI contributions and Income Tax paid to the Treasury over that period!! Also their per capita GDP contribution should be taken into account. Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation. With even more due respect are you completely ignoring my very specific point that's states that the pensioner drain relates to our current economic position? I absolutely acknowledge that pensioners contributed to economic growth while they were working." By reaching such an erroneous conclusion, is indicative of a complete misunderstanding of this important economic aspect! It's all relative, you cannot isolate components of it to suit your argument which is exactly what you seem to be attempting! | |||
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"And the growth is driven by an aging population that are living longer not by increasing birth rate or immigration. An aging population that are holding 80% of the wealth that are taking more from the economy than contributing (not a criticism a reality) . Your just using distorted facts. How on earth are pensioners taking more out the economy. They do pay taxes even after you retire. Their paying rates on property's. They buy same as everyone else in shops they put no strain on the education system. Drive less miles than young families who work. Less everything. Sorry my friend but pensioners in every circumstance take more from an economy than they contribute. I'm not talking about how much an individual contribute over their life. Any country with an aging g population will suffer economically. It's basic economics. With due respect, you cannot attempt to completely ignore the huge financial contribution today's pensioners have made to the UK economy in their 40+ years of working life!! Not forgetting the total amount of NI contributions and Income Tax paid to the Treasury over that period!! Also their per capita GDP contribution should be taken into account. Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation. With even more due respect are you completely ignoring my very specific point that's states that the pensioner drain relates to our current economic position? I absolutely acknowledge that pensioners contributed to economic growth while they were working. By reaching such an erroneous conclusion, is indicative of a complete misunderstanding of this important economic aspect! It's all relative, you cannot isolate components of it to suit your argument which is exactly what you seem to be attempting!" . It's just an evil attempt to divert the problem away from the real cause,and blame the pensioners who amongst everything else, contribute to a huge percentage of all charity work in UK, including hospital taxiing, hospital visiting, caring for grandchildren to release parents to work, thus contributing to society, many pensioners still work in retail,charity shops and foodbanks etc. evil deflection by Starmer away from his incompetent, poorly thought out and disastrous policy's. | |||
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" Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation." One in 4 pensioners are millionaires. If you think millionaires should be protected from the heavy lifting of repairing the public finances, who should the burden fall on? | |||
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" Then to claim that pensioners take more from the economy than they contribute is ludicrous and indicative of a stifled and blinkered perspective of the actual situation. One in 4 pensioners are millionaires. If you think millionaires should be protected from the heavy lifting of repairing the public finances, who should the burden fall on? " Your at it again with your 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires..  | |||
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"One in 4 pensioners are millionaires. If you think millionaires should be protected from the heavy lifting of repairing the public finances, who should the burden fall on? " What a lot of absolute dross, where on God's Earth did you source such totally ill informed claptrap rubbish? Was it The Gospel According to Keir Starmer?? | |||
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"What recession Oxford Street , Regents Street and Tottenham court road was rammed with Xmas shoppers yesterday (Sunday) Probably all on plastic, any change in circumstances and people are screwed. The “ haves” and the irresponsible are always out in force , the “have nots” and the “ just getting by” were at home . I’d hazard a guess there were more people at home , than in the West End. It’s not looking good is it? " I was at home, all my shopping apart from groceries was done online. I've never bought on credit in my life. | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers Investments down in value. " If you have money in a well-managed global investment fund they're not. | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc Production had already fallen by over 25% by 2019. Before the chip shortage, before Ukraine, before Covid. Would you like to patronise me some more now, Mr Research? " French, Italian and German car manufacturers, all in the EU, are in crisis. Do some research. The grass isn't always greener on the EUther side. | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc Production had already fallen by over 25% by 2019. Before the chip shortage, before Ukraine, before Covid. Would you like to patronise me some more now, Mr Research? French, Italian and German car manufacturers, all in the EU, are in crisis. Do some research. The grass isn't always greener on the EUther side." . Your right. German economy is suffering terribly. But your eating your breath on him. Hasn't clue about the real world | |||
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" . If you believe that nonsense you should get out more and actually do something worthwhile in society. Be eye opener for you the misery poverty and fear many elderly live through" 27% of pensioners - over 1 in 4 - are millionaires. Are you afraid to fact-check, in case it challenges your bias? | |||
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" . If you believe that nonsense you should get out more and actually do something worthwhile in society. Be eye opener for you the misery poverty and fear many elderly live through 27% of pensioners - over 1 in 4 - are millionaires. Are you afraid to fact-check, in case it challenges your bias? " . The facts are, this presumed wealth actually lays in there property promoted by the high house prices today. To them that wealth has no value unless you propose to. Force them out their homes, away from any friends or love ones. Isolate them in a flat somewhere, alone and vulnerable. Moved out of a house they and there partner spent a lifetime paying for, from community and area there familiar with, That suggestion is about as cruel as anyone can get. My sympathy goes to you | |||
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"It’s all a 14 yr cycle…labour, cons etc etc! Until we get a credible opposition this country will always be the same shit stick it is now…no one at the top really cares about the masses, it’s all a game to them!" You've got it.They will just keep on fleecing us,until we stand up,and say ,"no more". | |||
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"If these so called pensioners are pledging poverty why are the football shopping 🛒🛒 in Mark's and Spencer's and not Aldi and Lidl or if they have a more card god for bid shopping in Morrisons.." Because some can , those that can’t are shopping in Lidl, Aldi etc … stupidity of some folk ….. | |||
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" . If you believe that nonsense you should get out more and actually do something worthwhile in society. Be eye opener for you the misery poverty and fear many elderly live through 27% of pensioners - over 1 in 4 - are millionaires. Are you afraid to fact-check, in case it challenges your bias? . The facts are, this presumed wealth actually lays in there property promoted by the high house prices today. To them that wealth has no value unless you propose to. Force them out their homes, away from any friends or love ones. Isolate them in a flat somewhere, alone and vulnerable. Moved out of a house they and there partner spent a lifetime paying for, from community and area there familiar with, That suggestion is about as cruel as anyone can get. My sympathy goes to you" None of which alters the fact: 1 in four are millionaires | |||
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" . If you believe that nonsense you should get out more and actually do something worthwhile in society. Be eye opener for you the misery poverty and fear many elderly live through 27% of pensioners - over 1 in 4 - are millionaires. Are you afraid to fact-check, in case it challenges your bias? . The facts are, this presumed wealth actually lays in there property promoted by the high house prices today. To them that wealth has no value unless you propose to. Force them out their homes, away from any friends or love ones. Isolate them in a flat somewhere, alone and vulnerable. Moved out of a house they and there partner spent a lifetime paying for, from community and area there familiar with, That suggestion is about as cruel as anyone can get. My sympathy goes to you None of which alters the fact: 1 in four are millionaires " and they can afford to shop in Waitrose or Mark's and Spencer's | |||
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"If these so called pensioners are pledging poverty why are the football shopping 🛒🛒 in Mark's and Spencer's and not Aldi and Lidl or if they have a more card god for bid shopping in Morrisons.. Because some can , those that can’t are shopping in Lidl, Aldi etc … stupidity of some folk ….." 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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" None of which alters the fact: 1 in four are millionaires and they can afford to shop in Waitrose or Mark's and Spencer's " and buy Rolex watches  | |||
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" . If you believe that nonsense you should get out more and actually do something worthwhile in society. Be eye opener for you the misery poverty and fear many elderly live through 27% of pensioners - over 1 in 4 - are millionaires. Are you afraid to fact-check, in case it challenges your bias? . The facts are, this presumed wealth actually lays in there property promoted by the high house prices today. To them that wealth has no value unless you propose to. Force them out their homes, away from any friends or love ones. Isolate them in a flat somewhere, alone and vulnerable. Moved out of a house they and there partner spent a lifetime paying for, from community and area there familiar with, That suggestion is about as cruel as anyone can get. My sympathy goes to you None of which alters the fact: 1 in four are millionaires " Have you broken this figure down by region? Look at property values and the difference between regions. London and SE will have far more paper millionaires than NE. Maybe it means we need different regional policy. | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers" FFS give it some time eh mate i mean like a year or 18 months not 6 months or whatever its been. I know its xmas and you expect christmas miricles but they dont happen in real life. cheer up its crimbo mate | |||
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"Don't forget the millionaire pensioners sum includes property values and pension pots. It's not disposable income they have to hand. If pensioners are wealthy, at least they're not a drain on the taxpayer. Pity some here see success as something to be envious of. Many are proud too, and believe in supporting themselves. There's no arguing yesterday's disappointing growth figures are attributed to the budget and in particular the NI rise. Even the left-leaning CBI has reported this, along with other organisations. Employers are on a hire freeze because of the budget. That is a fact. " . Starmer lefties don't here facts. Just lies | |||
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"Don't forget the millionaire pensioners sum includes property values and pension pots. It's not disposable income they have to hand. If pensioners are wealthy, at least they're not a drain on the taxpayer. Pity some here see success as something to be envious of. Many are proud too, and believe in supporting themselves. There's no arguing yesterday's disappointing growth figures are attributed to the budget and in particular the NI rise. Even the left-leaning CBI has reported this, along with other organisations. Employers are on a hire freeze because of the budget. That is a fact. " I don't agree with the targeting of wealthy pensioners either. But maybe the collective of pensioners need to support one another. Maybe the wealthier ones should lose some state pension so that we support those who will genuinely struggle. On a broader level, we should teach people to support and respect the elderly. Haven't we learnt from COVID just how impacted they can be? | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers FFS give it some time eh mate i mean like a year or 18 months not 6 months or whatever its been. I know its xmas and you expect christmas miricles but they dont happen in real life. cheer up its crimbo mate" . It's not about early improvement. We had that in June under Rishi. Unemployment down, economy rising, pensioners protected. .Now it's about big company's leaving UK. Investors leaving UK. CBI forecasting a slump. Investment down and unemployment rising. Immigrants all time high, and money being spent by the government with no policy | |||
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"Don't forget the millionaire pensioners sum includes property values and pension pots. It's not disposable income they have to hand. If pensioners are wealthy, at least they're not a drain on the taxpayer. Pity some here see success as something to be envious of. Many are proud too, and believe in supporting themselves. There's no arguing yesterday's disappointing growth figures are attributed to the budget and in particular the NI rise. Even the left-leaning CBI has reported this, along with other organisations. Employers are on a hire freeze because of the budget. That is a fact. " . Re :your third paragraph... That was labours issue.. Wealthy pensioners were a drain on the taxpayer... Sir Paul McCartney for 1 said " why do I need the Winter Fuel Allowance?". .Problem seems to be they've set the yearly 'income' amount too low,so various charities say. Also as you say many pensioners are proud and manage on what they have,savings or a part state pension.. Around 80,000 pensioners could claim a top up pension credit amount ...but don't.. incidentally,if your a pensioner born after 22 September (to Dec 31) each year you don't get the winter fuel allowance untill the following Winter..due to the cut off date... | |||
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"Don't forget the millionaire pensioners sum includes property values and pension pots. It's not disposable income they have to hand. If pensioners are wealthy, at least they're not a drain on the taxpayer. Pity some here see success as something to be envious of. Many are proud too, and believe in supporting themselves. There's no arguing yesterday's disappointing growth figures are attributed to the budget and in particular the NI rise. Even the left-leaning CBI has reported this, along with other organisations. Employers are on a hire freeze because of the budget. That is a fact. . Starmer lefties don't hear facts. Just lies" Where did your season of peace and goodwill go? | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers FFS give it some time eh mate i mean like a year or 18 months not 6 months or whatever its been. I know its xmas and you expect christmas miricles but they dont happen in real life. cheer up its crimbo mate. It's not about early improvement. We had that in June under Rishi. Unemployment down, economy rising, pensioners protected. .Now it's about big company's leaving UK. Investors leaving UK. CBI forecasting a slump. Investment down and unemployment rising. Immigrants all time high, and money being spent by the government with no policy" 👎👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"Don't forget the millionaire pensioners sum includes property values and pension pots. It's not disposable income they have to hand. If pensioners are wealthy, at least they're not a drain on the taxpayer. Pity some here see success as something to be envious of. Many are proud too, and believe in supporting themselves. There's no arguing yesterday's disappointing growth figures are attributed to the budget and in particular the NI rise. Even the left-leaning CBI has reported this, along with other organisations. Employers are on a hire freeze because of the budget. That is a fact. . Starmer lefties don't here facts. Just lies" 👎👎👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc Production had already fallen by over 25% by 2019. Before the chip shortage, before Ukraine, before Covid. Would you like to patronise me some more now, Mr Research? French, Italian and German car manufacturers, all in the EU, are in crisis. Do some research. The grass isn't always greener on the EUther side.. Your right. German economy is suffering terribly. But your eating your breath on him. Hasn't clue about the real world" How does one go about eating breath? | |||
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"Brexit was the start of the decline sorry but the promise that they shouted about did not appear at all. We’re are the benefits of being out I really can’t see them or am I wrong. If I am please convince me Jeez get over it both parties fcked up on brexit neither told us the benefits to stay in just negatives it's nearly a decade ago now. We had. Years of being in. During that time we lost our steel industry, our fishing, our car industry, and much much more. Including constant increase population. So things are not worse now at all. At least not until last election. Economy had started to grow Over 1.7m cars were built in Britain in 2016. In 2022 it was less than 800,000. This year it is likely to be less than 700,000. What happened in 2016 that could have caused such a sharp decline? . Well if you do your research you will see it was a global problem. Shortage of chips for cars. Ukraine war stopping exports to Russia. Lack of raw materials globally. Foreign manufacturers shrinking and closing plants such as honda etc Production had already fallen by over 25% by 2019. Before the chip shortage, before Ukraine, before Covid. Would you like to patronise me some more now, Mr Research? French, Italian and German car manufacturers, all in the EU, are in crisis. Do some research. The grass isn't always greener on the EUther side.. Your right. German economy is suffering terribly. But your eating your breath on him. Hasn't clue about the real world How does one go about eating breath?" . It's a menu item in the O2 Arena's restaurant | |||
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"End of years. Figures out has proved all the experts right. UK economy growth slumped to 0%. Unemployment up, retail sales struggling and CBI warning that UK is going to seriously suffer on 2025. As usual Starmers cronies wearing full set blinkers FFS give it some time eh mate i mean like a year or 18 months not 6 months or whatever its been. I know its xmas and you expect christmas miricles but they dont happen in real life. cheer up its crimbo mate. It's not about early improvement. We had that in June under Rishi. Unemployment down, economy rising, pensioners protected. .Now it's about big company's leaving UK. Investors leaving UK. CBI forecasting a slump. Investment down and unemployment rising. Immigrants all time high, and money being spent by the government with no policy" You have to be blind not to see that this was all coming anyway. Why do you think Sunak threw the election early with no chance of winning? He knew his party's immigration plan was crap, prisons were full.and he had absolutely no money to do anything, so thought his only chance was to go early while inflation was looking ok. Sure, the last 6 months haven't gone great, but if you think the last lot were going to be doing any better then you must be a silly brother. Merry Christmas. | |||
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"Who actually gives a F*ck ? No matter what the working class man says & the politicians say they will change never ever happens. All those in politics are out to line their own pockets & couldn’t give a F*ck about the working class men doing the jobs that matter in the real world. " That is a terrible view of things, BUT……… Probably the most accurate summary of all. It doesn’t really matter who you vote for; all a bunch of lying, thieving, bastards. However, you should always exercise your democratic right & visit the polling station when asked to. Happy Christmas to all. | |||
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"We will see who's right and wrong over the next year or two. Im old enough to have experienced numerous labour governments before. In the past it's always been boom and bust and it all ends in tears when they run out of money and the country is almost bankrupt. " Hear! Hear! Labour Govts of the past have notoriously always led us to economic disaster and ruination!! | |||
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"We will see who's right and wrong over the next year or two. Im old enough to have experienced numerous labour governments before. In the past it's always been boom and bust and it all ends in tears when they run out of money and the country is almost bankrupt. Hear! Hear! Labour Govts of the past have notoriously always led us to economic disaster and ruination!! " Doesn't just about every government do that? If not they wouldn't get replaced. Maggie ran out of everyone else's money and services and the last lot ran out of lies. | |||
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