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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong " You are spot on she needs to admit her budget was the cause of much of our current problems and reverse most of it personally she is out of her depth | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss...." Impossible 🤣🤣🤣😆, just ask the Cheese lobby 😆😆😆. Mx | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong " You're not wrong | |||
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"It's like they're in thrall to big business. They can't tax them so they hit us. The myth of continued growth becomes our only salvation. UK evidently bankrupt. Money - whatever money is now- leaves the UK all the time because we have few home industries, don't export much and nowadays most of our shopping benefits US companies, who avoid tax. Our public utilities are foreign- owned. How do we raise revenue in these circumstances? " This is exactly right. It's all about asset stripping from the public to the 0.001% | |||
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"I'd still shag her.." I don't think she is very good at anything I've seen so I doubt she would be a good shag either. Tulip was a little cutie before she resigned but I still think priti patel would be the best shag out of the current MPs cute and with a mischievous smile. | |||
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"The elephant in the room was the promise not to increase direct taxation, such as income tax. Both major parties boxed themselves in with this ridiculous promise. " It's only a ridiculous promise if they intended to spend spend spend... | |||
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"The elephant in the room was the promise not to increase direct taxation, such as income tax. Both major parties boxed themselves in with this ridiculous promise. It's only a ridiculous promise if they intended to spend spend spend..." The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue | |||
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"The elephant in the room was the promise not to increase direct taxation, such as income tax. Both major parties boxed themselves in with this ridiculous promise. It's only a ridiculous promise if they intended to spend spend spend... The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue" Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong " I was ex Tory too But I'd never have voted for those incompetents ever!! Should be more careful who you protest vote for! | |||
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" The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. " I think you've got your parties the wrong way round..."leave it to the next lot"was the Tory approach & why Sunak (remember him?) went for an early election. The country was gurgling down the plughole and he needed to jump ship and escape to his techno dream home in the States. It will take a long time to put right the damage that the conservatives did to this country and those whingeing after just 6 months and calling our politicians silly playground names should grow up and give a serious government time to steady the ship. | |||
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" The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. " Oh, they have to balance the books alright. The lost lot did that by borrowing money every year to cover the gap. Ms Reeves says she will stop the Tory practice of borrowing money to pay for everyday spending - hence the rise in taxes to cover the shortfall. She'll borrow only to invest in big capital projects - the infrastructure. | |||
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" Tulip was a little cutie before she resigned but I still think priti patel would be the best shag out of the current MPs cute and with a mischievous smile. " You are missing the point. It's politicians who shaft the electorate, not the other way round.  | |||
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" The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. I think you've got your parties the wrong way round..."leave it to the next lot"was the Tory approach & why Sunak (remember him?) went for an early election. The country was gurgling down the plughole and he needed to jump ship and escape to his techno dream home in the States. It will take a long time to put right the damage that the conservatives did to this country and those whingeing after just 6 months and calling our politicians silly playground names should grow up and give a serious government time to steady the ship." On the contrary. In both 1979 and 2010 I am pretty certain Labour were glad to be out of office. They had reached a point whereby they hadn't got a clue what to do anymore. Literally run out of steam, gas and ideas. Glad to sit back and say to the incoming Conservative government "you sort out our mess". Admittedly it did sound a bit the same with Sunak. He knew it was highly unlikely he would win an election even if the economy had picked up and some of his other schemes had worked. Trouble is now we are ruled by inexperienced amateurs who don't really know what they are doing. | |||
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" The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. Oh, they have to balance the books alright. The lost lot did that by borrowing money every year to cover the gap. Ms Reeves says she will stop the Tory practice of borrowing money to pay for everyday spending - hence the rise in taxes to cover the shortfall. She'll borrow only to invest in big capital projects - the infrastructure." We are still paying for the ppi that Gordon brown started.... | |||
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". We are still paying for the ppi that Gordon brown started...." A ruse invented by the Tories to keep capital investment in infrastructure off the balance sheet. The private sector puts up the cash instead, and the repayment costs show up in the revenue account, i.e. the day to day spending. Window dressing of the public accounts to create a fiction at the next election about the state of the public finances. | |||
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"A trained Economist would know on balance, servicing a country's day to day spending, not to mention unforeseen surge spending ie-COVID and Putin's war, should be done through borrowing rather than increasing taxes. Taxes generally have a negative effect on economic growth. Why?? Economic impact Reduced GDP: Taxes reduce the amount of money in the economy, which can lower GDP. Reduced business investment: Taxes like corporate taxes can reduce the amount of money businesses have to invest. Reduced consumption: Taxes like value added tax (VAT) can increase prices, which can reduce consumption. Employment impact Reduced labor demand Taxes can reduce the demand for labor by making it more expensive to do an activity. Reduced labor supply Taxes can reduce the incentive for people to work more or take on better-paid jobs. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Consumer spending impact Reduced disposable income: Higher taxes can reduce disposable income, which can reduce consumer spending. Reduced aggregate demand: Reduced consumer spending can lead to a decline in aggregate demand. But only a trained Economist will know this..shhhhh " Oh yes and trickle down economics works ... NOT . 6 months in and the repair to the economy has begun, let's see the bigger picture in 2 years time shall we. Mx | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong You are spot on she needs to admit her budget was the cause of much of our current problems and reverse most of it personally she is out of her depth " Whilst I am no fan of this lot…much of our current problems seems to downplay the previous encumbents affect on our nation… | |||
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"A trained Economist would know on balance, servicing a country's day to day spending, not to mention unforeseen surge spending ie-COVID and Putin's war, should be done through borrowing rather than increasing taxes. Taxes generally have a negative effect on economic growth. Why?? Economic impact Reduced GDP: Taxes reduce the amount of money in the economy, which can lower GDP. Reduced business investment: Taxes like corporate taxes can reduce the amount of money businesses have to invest. Reduced consumption: Taxes like value added tax (VAT) can increase prices, which can reduce consumption. Employment impact Reduced labor demand Taxes can reduce the demand for labor by making it more expensive to do an activity. Reduced labor supply Taxes can reduce the incentive for people to work more or take on better-paid jobs. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Consumer spending impact Reduced disposable income: Higher taxes can reduce disposable income, which can reduce consumer spending. Reduced aggregate demand: Reduced consumer spending can lead to a decline in aggregate demand. But only a trained Economist will know this..shhhhh " Some trained economists…there is more than one school of thought, and sadly it is a very inexact ‘science’ | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money." As opposed to the Tories who…oh | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money. As opposed to the Tories who…oh" So you think things are going well? What's happend in the past is no excuse for what happens now or in the future. Playground politics! | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money. As opposed to the Tories who…oh So you think things are going well? What's happend in the past is no excuse for what happens now or in the future. Playground politics!" Just forgetting history is the way to go then is it. | |||
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"U won't see her on countdown" But we'll probably see her on Strictly in a few years time. Cha-Cha-Cha! | |||
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"U won't see her on countdown" I once got arrested while watching Countdown... Not bad really ..it's eight letters  | |||
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"I'm not impressed, but it's only been six months and we all know how the Tories left the finances so whilst it's fine for us to complain, including me, we will decide at the next election if this Labour government is worth voting for again."  | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money. As opposed to the Tories who…oh So you think things are going well? What's happend in the past is no excuse for what happens now or in the future. Playground politics!" I simply don’t believe that yesterday’s actions have no effect on today’s problems. I agree there is no excuse to perpetuate but these issues cannot be all the fault of our current leaders. Things are not going well, but they didn’t start not going well immediately after the general election | |||
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"The last 14 years...blah...blah...blah... No one ever remembers Nick Clegg though." . His only achievement was killing the Libdem vote . | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss...." Oh come on. Get real. There's a lot of work to be done after 14 years of Tory chaos. It's not gonna be easy and in the short term it's gonna be painful, but look beyond the right wing press headlines. | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss.... Oh come on. Get real. There's a lot of work to be done after 14 years of Tory chaos. It's not gonna be easy and in the short term it's gonna be painful, but look beyond the right wing press headlines. " | |||
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing attacking SKS and the government about the farmers, winter fuel Payne etc. How about 14 years of decline, failed privatisation s, fiddling the expenses like the Tory MP charging us to clean his moat, Boris Johnson telling so many lies no one can believe a word he says, Hancock handing out PPE contracts to his pub landlord mate and no PPE came along, Baroness Mone fiddling millions for defective PPE, £47 billion wasted on the friend supplied covid phone app that didn't work, failing Grayling handing out million £ contracts to a shipping firm with no ships, Truss and Kharsie Quarteng wiping billions off the economy making people lose their mortgage offers like our buyer did, Johnson and his lackeys having parties instead of obeying his own rules, his mate Cummings testing his eyesight by driving to Barnard castle, balling up the trade with Europe by foisting Brexit on us with Johnson's oven ready deal which wasn't ready and we are still paying in for many years to come even though we are not members anymore, causing us queues at the EU border, tariffs on goods from the EU, border chaos in Ireland, flogging Royal mail and now the service is cr@p and looks like being flogged again to a Czech billionaire who won't guarantee universal pricing longer than 5 years after acquiring RM, cr@p going into the seas and rivers because the water companies were also flogged off and are only interested in profit....£40 billion paid out to shareholders since privatisation when that money could be invested in sorting out the network, defence cut to the bone, we now have a fraction of the forces we need now the Russians are on our doorstep, councils broke, even Tory ones because of cuts, £millions wasted paying Rwanda with one migrant sent with a grand in his pocket and promptly disappeared after 2 weeks, he's probably back here now on one of the boats. And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards " | |||
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing attacking SKS and the government about the farmers, winter fuel Payne etc. How about 14 years of decline, failed privatisation s, fiddling the expenses like the Tory MP charging us to clean his moat, Boris Johnson telling so many lies no one can believe a word he says, Hancock handing out PPE contracts to his pub landlord mate and no PPE came along, Baroness Mone fiddling millions for defective PPE, £47 billion wasted on the friend supplied covid phone app that didn't work, failing Grayling handing out million £ contracts to a shipping firm with no ships, Truss and Kharsie Quarteng wiping billions off the economy making people lose their mortgage offers like our buyer did, Johnson and his lackeys having parties instead of obeying his own rules, his mate Cummings testing his eyesight by driving to Barnard castle, balling up the trade with Europe by foisting Brexit on us with Johnson's oven ready deal which wasn't ready and we are still paying in for many years to come even though we are not members anymore, causing us queues at the EU border, tariffs on goods from the EU, border chaos in Ireland, flogging Royal mail and now the service is cr@p and looks like being flogged again to a Czech billionaire who won't guarantee universal pricing longer than 5 years after acquiring RM, cr@p going into the seas and rivers because the water companies were also flogged off and are only interested in profit....£40 billion paid out to shareholders since privatisation when that money could be invested in sorting out the network, defence cut to the bone, we now have a fraction of the forces we need now the Russians are on our doorstep, councils broke, even Tory ones because of cuts, £millions wasted paying Rwanda with one migrant sent with a grand in his pocket and promptly disappeared after 2 weeks, he's probably back here now on one of the boats. And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards "That's a long scroll for a couple of thumbs.  | |||
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing attacking SKS and the government about the farmers, winter fuel Payne etc. How about 14 years of decline, failed privatisation s, fiddling the expenses like the Tory MP charging us to clean his moat. Boris Johnson telling so many lies no one can believe a word he says, Hancock handing out PPE contracts to his pub landlord mate and no PPE came along, Baroness Mone fiddling millions for defective PPE, £47 billion wasted on the friend supplied covid phone app that didn't work, failing Grayling handing out million £ contracts to a shipping firm with no ships, Truss and Kharsie Quarteng wiping billions off the economy making people lose their mortgage offers like our buyer did, Johnson and his lackeys having parties instead of obeying his own rules, his mate Cummings testing his eyesight by driving to Barnard castle, balling up the trade with Europe by foisting Brexit on us with Johnson's oven ready deal which wasn't ready and we are still paying in for many years to come even though we are not members anymore, causing us queues at the EU border, tariffs on goods from the EU, border chaos in Ireland. Flogging Royal mail and now the service is cr@p and looks like being flogged again to a Czech billionaire who won't guarantee universal pricing longer than 5 years after acquiring RM, Cr@p going into the seas and rivers because the water companies were also flogged off and are only interested in profit....£40 billion paid out to shareholders since privatisation when that money could be invested in sorting out the network, defence cut to the bone, we now have a fraction of the forces we need now the Russians are on our doorstep, Councils broke, even Tory ones because of cuts, £millions wasted paying Rwanda with one migrant sent with a grand in his pocket and promptly disappeared after 2 weeks, he's probably back here now on one of the boats. And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards " Yep. | |||
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing attacking SKS and the government about the farmers, winter fuel Payne etc. How about 14 years of decline, failed privatisation s, fiddling the expenses like the Tory MP charging us to clean his moat, Boris Johnson telling so many lies no one can believe a word he says, Hancock handing out PPE contracts to his pub landlord mate and no PPE came along, Baroness Mone fiddling millions for defective PPE, £47 billion wasted on the friend supplied covid phone app that didn't work, failing Grayling handing out million £ contracts to a shipping firm with no ships, Truss and Kharsie Quarteng wiping billions off the economy making people lose their mortgage offers like our buyer did, Johnson and his lackeys having parties instead of obeying his own rules, his mate Cummings testing his eyesight by driving to Barnard castle, balling up the trade with Europe by foisting Brexit on us with Johnson's oven ready deal which wasn't ready and we are still paying in for many years to come even though we are not members anymore, causing us queues at the EU border, tariffs on goods from the EU, border chaos in Ireland, flogging Royal mail and now the service is cr@p and looks like being flogged again to a Czech billionaire who won't guarantee universal pricing longer than 5 years after acquiring RM, cr@p going into the seas and rivers because the water companies were also flogged off and are only interested in profit....£40 billion paid out to shareholders since privatisation when that money could be invested in sorting out the network, defence cut to the bone, we now have a fraction of the forces we need now the Russians are on our doorstep, councils broke, even Tory ones because of cuts, £millions wasted paying Rwanda with one migrant sent with a grand in his pocket and promptly disappeared after 2 weeks, he's probably back here now on one of the boats. And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards " Bang on, bang fucking on and well said! | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss...." Yes and the broadcast media are pretty quiet about that | |||
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"All this rubbish we keep seeing attacking SKS and the government about the farmers, winter fuel Payne etc. How about 14 years of decline, failed privatisation s, fiddling the expenses like the Tory MP charging us to clean his moat, Boris Johnson telling so many lies no one can believe a word he says, Hancock handing out PPE contracts to his pub landlord mate and no PPE came along, Baroness Mone fiddling millions for defective PPE, £47 billion wasted on the friend supplied covid phone app that didn't work, failing Grayling handing out million £ contracts to a shipping firm with no ships, Truss and Kharsie Quarteng wiping billions off the economy making people lose their mortgage offers like our buyer did, Johnson and his lackeys having parties instead of obeying his own rules, his mate Cummings testing his eyesight by driving to Barnard castle, balling up the trade with Europe by foisting Brexit on us with Johnson's oven ready deal which wasn't ready and we are still paying in for many years to come even though we are not members anymore, causing us queues at the EU border, tariffs on goods from the EU, border chaos in Ireland, flogging Royal mail and now the service is cr@p and looks like being flogged again to a Czech billionaire who won't guarantee universal pricing longer than 5 years after acquiring RM, cr@p going into the seas and rivers because the water companies were also flogged off and are only interested in profit....£40 billion paid out to shareholders since privatisation when that money could be invested in sorting out the network, defence cut to the bone, we now have a fraction of the forces we need now the Russians are on our doorstep, councils broke, even Tory ones because of cuts, £millions wasted paying Rwanda with one migrant sent with a grand in his pocket and promptly disappeared after 2 weeks, he's probably back here now on one of the boats. And this is only a fraction of the damage done to the UK by those self serving bastards Bang on, bang fucking on and well said! " 'Fiddling expenses? you are not paying attention to the labour MPs who were exposed for diddling expenses, or a or the labour sleaze since the election including having a chancellor who lies on her CV - Labour no longer has the 'moral high ground' | |||
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" It's all a charade ... The world is really governed by institutions that are not democratic - the World Bank, the IMF, the WTO,the WHO ... etc " Our society is what might be called a liberal democracy - capitalist free-markets with intervention by the state when markets fail to function competitively, and the power of the state curbed by rights enshrined in the citizen. What is your alternative? The Korean Peninsula is illuminating. A genetically homegenous population that has been living under two very different systems since the 1950s - authoritarian in the north, where power is concentrated in the state; libertarian in the south, where power is concentrated in the citizen. People in the south on average are significantly taller, healthier and live longer. Which system would you prefer to live under? | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money. As opposed to the Tories who…oh So you think things are going well? What's happend in the past is no excuse for what happens now or in the future. Playground politics! Just forgetting history is the way to go then is it." No we don't forget what's happened but should learn from it. People cannot blame the mistakes they make now on mistakes made by others in the past. | |||
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"She bangs on about the mess she inherited,the £22bn black hole,its a lie ,yes there was a black hole of about £9bn.but anyone that thinks after two years of paying 80%of peoples wages,eat out to help out,then £600 to each home because of fuel situation,if they thought that was going to be paid up they wore rose coloured glasses,Boris was the start of the rot. Take heed When you vote in a young person as prim minister ,they lack experience and it goes very wrong ,look at Canada,Blair,now starmer. They are like put in, in too deep now to say I GOT IT WRONG, but watch out for a lot more strikes coming up" Well look at you mr accountant , you've obvs work in the government to know it's only a 9bn blk hole, how the fuck do you know muppet, and why only mention young labour pls, sunak was younger and boris, truss about same age, bias much | |||
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"She bangs on about the mess she inherited,the £22bn black hole,its a lie ,yes there was a black hole of about £9bn.but anyone that thinks after two years of paying 80%of peoples wages,eat out to help out,then £600 to each home because of fuel situation,if they thought that was going to be paid up they wore rose coloured glasses,Boris was the start of the rot. Take heed When you vote in a young person as prim minister ,they lack experience and it goes very wrong ,look at Canada,Blair,now starmer. They are like put in, in too deep now to say I GOT IT WRONG, but watch out for a lot more strikes coming up" Not sure youth has much to do with it..see Biden/Trump….interesting thread maybe though . Are ‘older’ leaders better? | |||
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"She bangs on about the mess she inherited,the £22bn black hole,its a lie ,yes there was a black hole of about £9bn.but anyone that thinks after two years of paying 80%of peoples wages,eat out to help out,then £600 to each home because of fuel situation,if they thought that was going to be paid up they wore rose coloured glasses,Boris was the start of the rot. Take heed When you vote in a young person as prim minister ,they lack experience and it goes very wrong ,look at Canada,Blair,now starmer. They are like put in, in too deep now to say I GOT IT WRONG, but watch out for a lot more strikes coming up" The "black hole" inherited by Labour was actually about £120 billion this year - the difference between what the Tory administration thought they would raise in taxes and how much they planned to spend. | |||
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"If that is right she definitely needs a new calculator lol" Or ask Diane Blabalot | |||
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"David Cameron Brexit Theresa May not a clue Bojo party boy Truss lettuce Sunak wet drip Badenoch idiot out of her depth I rest my case Let's see what happens over the next 4 years. Mx "My take David Cameron run Theresa green May not Boris Bore John sons Liz Mistrust Riches So much Chemi cal Badenough | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss...." exactly what damage did she do , she was never really given a chance. | |||
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" The new Government inherited a budget for 2024/25 where expenditure was £120 billion higher than revenue Oh. That's a nice backdrop to spending 10s of billions on foreign aid and Ukraine then. Just be honest. They don't give a shit about balancing the books now. Leave it to the next lot. I think you've got your parties the wrong way round..."leave it to the next lot"was the Tory approach & why Sunak (remember him?) went for an early election. The country was gurgling down the plughole and he needed to jump ship and escape to his techno dream home in the States. It will take a long time to put right the damage that the conservatives did to this country and those whingeing after just 6 months and calling our politicians silly playground names should grow up and give a serious government time to steady the ship. On the contrary. In both 1979 and 2010 I am pretty certain Labour were glad to be out of office. They had reached a point whereby they hadn't got a clue what to do anymore. Literally run out of steam, gas and ideas. Glad to sit back and say to the incoming Conservative government "you sort out our mess". Admittedly it did sound a bit the same with Sunak. He knew it was highly unlikely he would win an election even if the economy had picked up and some of his other schemes had worked. Trouble is now we are ruled by inexperienced amateurs who don't really know what they are doing. " ... ... 'Inexperienced amateurs'... Can you explain why Starmer and Reeves backgrounds are amateurish compared to Tory PM's and Chancellor's 2010-2024? | |||
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"She has done more damage than Liz truss.... Yes and the broadcast media are pretty quiet about that" .. ... You've overlooked the fact that Truss very nearly crashed the economy. Reeves hasn't. That'll be why they've been quiet about something that hasn't actually happened. | |||
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"What about the people on benefits who have never worked in their life reaping in all rewards there is and then all the illegal immigrants that get given money housing over the British people that's what is going to bankrupt this country " Most people on benefits are actually in work. If they were paid a decent wage they wouldn't need Universal Credit to top up their wages. We are just subsidising the companies that employ these people on a pittance. A lot of immigrants are highly paid doctors, university lecturers, politicians etc...they are obviously not eligible for social housing and asylum seekers whose claim is upheld and who enter the job market join the queue like anyone else. No-one is being given money and housing. | |||
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" On the contrary. In both 1979 and 2010 I am pretty certain Labour were glad to be out of office. They had reached a point whereby they hadn't got a clue what to do anymore. Literally run out of steam, gas and ideas. Glad to sit back and say to the incoming Conservative government "you sort out our mess". Admittedly it did sound a bit the same with Sunak. He knew it was highly unlikely he would win an election even if the economy had picked up and some of his other schemes had worked. Trouble is now we are ruled by inexperienced amateurs who don't really know what they are doing. ... ... 'Inexperienced amateurs'... Can you explain why Starmer and Reeves backgrounds are amateurish compared to Tory PM's and Chancellor's 2010-2024? " I did not say all Conservative PMs and ministers were perfect in their roles. Some left quite a bit to be desired and should never have been elevated to that position. Starmer might have been a clever, if somewhat devious, barrister but that does not make him fit to be prime minister. It is also being widely reported that Reeves has lied about her background. She seems way out of her depth. A bit like making a hospital porter into a top surgeon. | |||
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"She was a respected economist working in the City for years. If she was diplomatic with the truth on a CV, she won't be the last. The fact remains she was an economist before becoming an MP. The notion that Starmer and her lacked experience/ are amateurish doesn't stand up when compared to PM's and Chancellor's that came before them. " We will just have to disagree. You seem to rather blindly defend your party through thick and thin. Perhaps you might be tempted to say the same about me though I am often critical of some members of the party I prefer to support. | |||
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" Tulip was a little cutie before she resigned but I still think priti patel would be the best shag out of the current MPs cute and with a mischievous smile. You are missing the point. It's politicians who shaft the electorate, not the other way round. "No I think it’s you that’s missing the point… Until the electorate understand that you can’t have Scandinavian public services with USA tax levels we will always be discontented and Politicians will have an impossible job of satisfying the countries needs…whatever party … Ridiculous electoral decisions of collapse of the red wall as the electorate thought the blue guy was “funny” and brexit are but two cracking examples! Unfortunately we get the Politicians we deserve! | |||
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"She was a respected economist working in the City for years. If she was diplomatic with the truth on a CV, she won't be the last. The fact remains she was an economist before becoming an MP. The notion that Starmer and her lacked experience/ are amateurish doesn't stand up when compared to PM's and Chancellor's that came before them. We will just have to disagree. You seem to rather blindly defend your party through thick and thin. Perhaps you might be tempted to say the same about me though I am often critical of some members of the party I prefer to support." ... ... As I have been about Labour Party Politicians such as Corbyn. It's not about 'blindly defending,in this instance it's a case of trying to be objective and putting allegiance to one side. Did you ignore your allegiance when you spoke of inexperience/amateurism? When compared to those who came before them,it's unfair to say they are inexperienced/amateurish. | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Brexit, that turned out well... NOT HS2 hmmm ... nuff said The Covid rip offs and mismanagement I could go on, but why bother, the UK electorate got exactly what they deserved . Time for Scotland to leave this utter tripe, become independent and join Scandinavia, before Trump tries to buy that too. The world dear boy is 'Fucked'. Mx " The world always has been and always will be | |||
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"Her accent and the way she talks is getting more and more to sound like Starmer " Could they be the same person? | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong I think she needs to be put in a swing at a club somewhere central then fucking by as many guys willing to turn up, that should shut her up and keep her busy enough to stop her destroying the economy and it might make her realise what she actually good for. " What is it with bi guys who seem to think sexual violence is an answer to anything on this site? | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong I think she needs to be put in a swing at a club somewhere central then fucking by as many guys willing to turn up, that should shut her up and keep her busy enough to stop her destroying the economy and it might make her realise what she actually good for. " Ahh, and they say chivalry is dead.. What a horrible misogynistic comment. | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong I think she needs to be put in a swing at a club somewhere central then fucking by as many guys willing to turn up, that should shut her up and keep her busy enough to stop her destroying the economy and it might make her realise what she actually good for. What is it with bi guys who seem to think sexual violence is an answer to anything on this site?" My thoughts as well | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong I think she needs to be put in a swing at a club somewhere central then fucking by as many guys willing to turn up, that should shut her up and keep her busy enough to stop her destroying the economy and it might make her realise what she actually good for. What is it with bi guys who seem to think sexual violence is an answer to anything on this site?" Not all bi guys….sexual violence is never the answer. No matter how poor a job performance is perceived to be, there are many other ways to manage it. | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong I think she needs to be put in a swing at a club somewhere central then fucking by as many guys willing to turn up, that should shut her up and keep her busy enough to stop her destroying the economy and it might make her realise what she actually good for. What is it with bi guys who seem to think sexual violence is an answer to anything on this site?" ... ... Not all Bi Guys, Big Yin.👍 | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. " Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. | |||
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"If they say what their going do all this building ? let’s get back the Polish building workforce . We going need them . Because these boat people are going be sitting round for another 5 years waiting to be processed? And are these people from African continent are they skilled labour ? " I'll ask my dad's thoracic surgeon next time I see him. He's from the African continent. | |||
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"She's doing a good job, making business pay more, stopping the rich from having unwanted funding, taxing wealth. Her speech yesterday was good, detailed appart from the Europe bit she should have said we'll join the customs union. We need to build infrastructure, houses, damns, data centers, we are not an open air museum. Bring in those working aged men and build prosperity. Stop with the doom and gloom. " Very inspiring Donald Trump couldn't have put it better | |||
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"If they say what their going do all this building ? let’s get back the Polish building workforce . We going need them . Because these boat people are going be sitting round for another 5 years waiting to be processed? And are these people from African continent are they skilled labour ? I'll ask my dad's thoracic surgeon next time I see him. He's from the African continent." Elon Musk? African immigrant? Or do they like him...... because he's white? | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive." Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in. | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in." The same Conservative party that's currently led by Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch, a Youruba anchor baby from Nigeria? Typical bloody Tory eh | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in. The same Conservative party that's currently led by Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch, a Youruba anchor baby from Nigeria? Typical bloody Tory eh "Very revealing/telling that you see race in what I said. When in reality it's about class no melanin involved, most of the parliamentary party wouldn't care about colour but unfortunately their supporters will. She's actually born in Britain moved to Nigeria with her parents and then back to Britain. | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?" Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". " I'll state not ask. She's definitely an anchor baby* Something for which she personally bears no responsibility for obviously. That was he parents choice. They played the system as it was then, and used a widely abused loophole. *Anchor Baby- Refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the parents and other family members gain legal residency. | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". I'll state not ask. She's definitely an anchor baby* Something for which she personally bears no responsibility for obviously. That was he parents choice. They played the system as it was then, and used a widely abused loophole. *Anchor Baby- Refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the parents and other family members gain legal residency." Otherwise known as colonialism. Tell us how did this wealthy mother from Nigeria have rights to give birth to a black conservative leader in Britain? | |||
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"This country is full of sheep and scapegoats" This country is full of brilliant people whose destinies for two hundred years have been influenced by industrialism, capitalism and imperialism. We're treated as fodder, not sheep. | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". I'll state not ask. She's definitely an anchor baby* Something for which she personally bears no responsibility for obviously. That was he parents choice. They played the system as it was then, and used a widely abused loophole. *Anchor Baby- Refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the parents and other family members gain legal residency. Otherwise known as colonialism. Tell us how did this wealthy mother from Nigeria have rights to give birth to a black conservative leader in Britain?" Here you go - 'Olukemi (later shortened to Kemi) Olufunto Adegoke was born on 2 January 1980 in Wimbledon, London. Her mother had traveled from Nigeria to the UK to give birth in St Teresa's private hospital before the British Nationality Act 1981 abolished automatic birthright citizenship for those born in the United Kingdom, and then returned to Nigeria shortly after Badenoch was born. She returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria' | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". I'll state not ask. She's definitely an anchor baby* Something for which she personally bears no responsibility for obviously. That was he parents choice. They played the system as it was then, and used a widely abused loophole. *Anchor Baby- Refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the parents and other family members gain legal residency. Otherwise known as colonialism. Tell us how did this wealthy mother from Nigeria have rights to give birth to a black conservative leader in Britain? Here you go - 'Olukemi (later shortened to Kemi) Olufunto Adegoke was born on 2 January 1980 in Wimbledon, London. Her mother had traveled from Nigeria to the UK to give birth in St Teresa's private hospital before the British Nationality Act 1981 abolished automatic birthright citizenship for those born in the United Kingdom, and then returned to Nigeria shortly after Badenoch was born. She returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria' " I'm not hearing a sorry, or even you were correct | |||
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"Possibly health tourism, who's to say? I'm only asking?Ah, the classic "Nigel approach" to spreading dissent, suggest something with no evidence then innocently say "I'm only asking". I'll state not ask. She's definitely an anchor baby* Something for which she personally bears no responsibility for obviously. That was he parents choice. They played the system as it was then, and used a widely abused loophole. *Anchor Baby- Refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the parents and other family members gain legal residency. Otherwise known as colonialism. Tell us how did this wealthy mother from Nigeria have rights to give birth to a black conservative leader in Britain? Here you go - 'Olukemi (later shortened to Kemi) Olufunto Adegoke was born on 2 January 1980 in Wimbledon, London. Her mother had traveled from Nigeria to the UK to give birth in St Teresa's private hospital before the British Nationality Act 1981 abolished automatic birthright citizenship for those born in the United Kingdom, and then returned to Nigeria shortly after Badenoch was born. She returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria' I'm not hearing a sorry, or even you were correct " For what are you owed an apology for? | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in." Yes. Stephen Crabb was the MP I was referring to. You then contradict yourself by saying that they will only let the elite in. Ironically Stephen lost his seat in July to an elitist Labour candidate whom your party had catapulted in. | |||
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"Being born into a privileged family should not allow you to be put in charge of the country, too many rich idiots over the last 14 years have exhibited greed, corruption and self interest along with being totally out of their depth in the jobs they were given. Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in. Yes. Stephen Crabb was the MP I was referring to. You then contradict yourself by saying that they will only let the elite in. Ironically Stephen lost his seat in July to an elitist Labour candidate whom your party had catapulted in." Lol I'm a leftist not a labourist And no I don't contradict myself crabb showed his bank balance Read the posts, you might disagree with them but they are thought-out | |||
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" Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in. Yes. Stephen Crabb was the MP I was referring to. You then contradict yourself by saying that they will only let the elite in. Ironically Stephen lost his seat in July to an elitist Labour candidate whom your party had catapulted in. Lol I'm a leftist not a labourist And no I don't contradict myself crabb showed his bank balance Read the posts, you might disagree with them but they are thought-out " I do read some of your posts though if they are long wild rants I often get bored halfway through. Plenty of lefties, whether Labour or not, have very healthy bank balances. When he was first selected to stand for parliament Stephen was not that well of. He impressed the local association [a cousin of mine was a member] and got the candidacy on merit. | |||
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"Just noticed how annoying her voice is, and she’s been trained to constantly smile as she speaks to portray a sense of confidence in her words" Really? I didn't notice that. I was concentrating on her words, you know, policies and stuff and her saying she's going to bring about transformation through a three-pronged approach: stability, investment (from business), and reform etc. | |||
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" Plenty of Labour MPs, including some current ministers, were born into privileged families. Also, I might add, my former Conservative MP, who was at one stage a cabinet minister, was brought up by a single mother on a council estate and went to the local comprehensive. Stephen Crabb The conservative party are made of people who will absolutely will not let you in through the front door unless your one of them or ask to see your bank balance at the door before letting you in. Yes. Stephen Crabb was the MP I was referring to. You then contradict yourself by saying that they will only let the elite in. Ironically Stephen lost his seat in July to an elitist Labour candidate whom your party had catapulted in. Lol I'm a leftist not a labourist And no I don't contradict myself crabb showed his bank balance Read the posts, you might disagree with them but they are thought-out I do read some of your posts though if they are long wild rants I often get bored halfway through. Plenty of lefties, whether Labour or not, have very healthy bank balances. When he was first selected to stand for parliament Stephen was not that well of. He impressed the local association [a cousin of mine was a member] and got the candidacy on merit." Long wild rants you are funny, point me to one or is this one of your stock lines? Tell us what did crabb do? You know after his mother left his father and they lived in a council house? Prove me wrong babe | |||
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" Plenty of lefties, whether Labour or not, have very healthy bank balances. When he was first selected to stand for parliament Stephen was not that well of. He impressed the local association [a cousin of mine was a member] and got the candidacy on merit. Long wild rants you are funny, point me to one or is this one of your stock lines? Tell us what did crabb do? You know after his mother left his father and they lived in a council house? Prove me wrong babe " Not sure what your point is. Stephen Crabb was quite young when his mother left his father--whom I heard but cannot verify--was a bit of a waster--and he, his mother and brother[s] moved into a Pembrokeshire council house where the mother struggled to bring her boys up through a mixture of part-time jobs and benefits. He was obviously clever as went to a local school and then onto university. A self made man. | |||
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"Just noticed how annoying her voice is, and she’s been trained to constantly smile as she speaks to portray a sense of confidence in her words Really? I didn't notice that. I was concentrating on her words, you know, policies and stuff and her saying she's going to bring about transformation through a three-pronged approach: stability, investment (from business), and reform etc. " " Rachael your starter for ten Name the chancellor who on Wednesday called Astra zeneca a great investment success. Your bonus question : name the company that has announced it is pulling investment worth 450 million in the Merseyside factory after the government failed to live up to already agreed terms, The HR assistant must have something on starmer to survive many more weeks" | |||
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"Just noticed how annoying her voice is, and she’s been trained to constantly smile as she speaks to portray a sense of confidence in her words Really? I didn't notice that. I was concentrating on her words, you know, policies and stuff and her saying she's going to bring about transformation through a three-pronged approach: stability, investment (from business), and reform etc. " That’s where you went wrong! Never concentrate on a politicians words. It’s generally just empty rehearsed spiel. Read the person | |||
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"The worry is that at some point they will quietly realise they are going to be a one term government, just you watch them break every promise then and tax and spend like there is no tomorrow. I have lived through numerous labour governments and every single one has crashed the economy and run out of money." | |||
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"Don't get In too much of a tizz about Badenoch, it's a waste of time...the Tories will ditch her very shortly" I think you will be proved correct - Kemi will be removed in due course I think Labour should re-think just about everything If they don’t they will become a 1 term government They take for granted their massive majority which they’ll try to defend at the next GE They won’t gain seats they’ll lose them by hundreds They & Lib Dem’s captured seats by voter despair of the Tories They did well in Scotland because the majority of the electorate wanted the Tories out so voted Labour They will defend plenty of marginal seats and will fail miserably I can see a minor Tory recovery but not enough to win outright I can see a lot more Lib Dem MPs, Green MPs, Reform MPs & Independents plus a resurgence of SNP MPs All at the expense of Labour who won’t win the next GE & will be heavily defeated | |||
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" I can see a lot more Lib Dem MPs, Green MPs, Reform MPs & Independents plus a resurgence of SNP MPs " Sounds good. We might get a government with our interests at heart... | |||
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"Maybe it won't belong before cincinnatus AKA borris Johnson returns after all xxx " You been on the sherbets again Sammy? | |||
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"Rachel Reeves is, is actually overqualified for what is really a political strategist’s job as much as an economist’s. Any other chancellors anyone want to come up with that were in some way better qualified for the job/? No. I thought not. Just misogynistic twaddle from the easily swayed." Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling for starts. As for being misogynistic, I'm sure if we bothered to look that there has been many a time on this forum you have criticised women politicians fact of the matter is you can't handle the fact she has damaged the economy so instead blame us for being misogynistic. | |||
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"Rachel Reeves is, is actually overqualified for what is really a political strategist’s job as much as an economist’s. Any other chancellors anyone want to come up with that were in some way better qualified for the job/? No. I thought not. Just misogynistic twaddle from the easily swayed. Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling for starts. As for being misogynistic, I'm sure if we bothered to look that there has been many a time on this forum you have criticised women politicians fact of the matter is you can't handle the fact she has damaged the economy so instead blame us for being misogynistic. " Erm... Brown did a history degree and then taught at a Tech college or whatever further Education colleges were called in those days. He was a great chancellor I agree but we were talking about qualifications. Rachel Reeves stands head and shoulders above all other chancellors since Gaitskill or someone else ages ago. And yes, you are misogynistic if all you can do is take the piss out of a woman in power using silly expressions. | |||
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"6 months into the job How do folks think she’s doing? I’m becoming a bit alarmed by her speech today - she’s talking like an ‘angry robot’ Clearly intent on spending big ££££££££ Clearly intent on cutting welfare for the sick & disabled - but no mention about the unemployed - maybe she sees the sick & disabled as an easy target Banging on about ‘ordinary working people’ fair enough - I agree, but no mention of the ordinary ‘retired’working people another group she targets for penalising Fed up with the Conservatives of who I was a party member (now ex member) I voted Labour for change, a change from and incompetent & inept Tory party which set itself to self destruct. To me Rachel Reeves & Keir Starmer are intent on changes to the economy much of which will fritter away ££££££££ with little benefit for the ordinary working people - the only group of people they falsely seem to care about. Sorry Rachel Reeves - so far I’m not impressed, and that to me is disappointing. I hope I’m wrong Labour’s rocket Rachael the answer to the tories lettuce Liz. When she said she was an economist what she really meant is she once read a copy of The Economist. Both crashed the economy, both way out of their depth and both vegan friendly. Blimey the state of this" Ironic considering the word soup you put out,difference is you play the victim card when called on it. | |||
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"Rachel Reeves is, is actually overqualified for what is really a political strategist’s job as much as an economist’s. Any other chancellors anyone want to come up with that were in some way better qualified for the job/? No. I thought not. Just misogynistic twaddle from the easily swayed. Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling for starts. As for being misogynistic, I'm sure if we bothered to look that there has been many a time on this forum you have criticised women politicians fact of the matter is you can't handle the fact she has damaged the economy so instead blame us for being misogynistic. Erm... Brown did a history degree and then taught at a Tech college or whatever further Education colleges were called in those days. He was a great chancellor I agree but we were talking about qualifications. Rachel Reeves stands head and shoulders above all other chancellors since Gaitskill or someone else ages ago. And yes, you are misogynistic if all you can do is take the piss out of a woman in power using silly expressions." And you are not better than a MAGA cultist so blinded by your political bias you cannot accept any criticism of your politics or political party after all you did not sticking up for Liz. Just part of the wrong side of socialism, end of yhe day if Labour want to stay in power they have to impress the voting public and as a Labour voter I can tell you I'm not happy with Starmer's government. | |||
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"Rachel Reeves is, is actually overqualified for what is really a political strategist’s job as much as an economist’s. Any other chancellors anyone want to come up with that were in some way better qualified for the job/? No. I thought not. Just misogynistic twaddle from the easily swayed. Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling for starts. As for being misogynistic, I'm sure if we bothered to look that there has been many a time on this forum you have criticised women politicians fact of the matter is you can't handle the fact she has damaged the economy so instead blame us for being misogynistic. Erm... Brown did a history degree and then taught at a Tech college or whatever further Education colleges were called in those days. He was a great chancellor I agree but we were talking about qualifications. Rachel Reeves stands head and shoulders above all other chancellors since Gaitskill or someone else ages ago. And yes, you are misogynistic if all you can do is take the piss out of a woman in power using silly expressions." Yeah Brown was a great chancellor. Had the foresight to sell the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible price. Then had no more money to waste. | |||
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"Do Labour Party Cabinet ministers have to go to Nasal College to talk like utter morons?" Ridiculous comment. People can't help the way they speak. It's the words they say that are important. | |||
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" Just part of the wrong side of socialism, end of yhe day if Labour want to stay in power they have to impress the voting public and as a Labour voter I can tell you I'm not happy with Starmer's government." Maybe you should try giving the new government a chance? No, they are not perfect and they can't do everything immediately but you have to admit that they are a bunch of politicians trying to effect change. Unlike the bunch of thieves and charlatans that were running the country for the previous 14 years. | |||
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"Do Labour Party Cabinet ministers have to go to Nasal College to talk like utter morons?" No, it just comes naturally to them | |||
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"Do Labour Party Cabinet ministers have to go to Nasal College to talk like utter morons? No, it just comes naturally to them " And yet another hilarious stand up comedian... People can't help the way they speak. It's the words they say that are important. | |||
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"Rachel Reeves is, is actually overqualified for what is really a political strategist’s job as much as an economist’s. Any other chancellors anyone want to come up with that were in some way better qualified for the job/? No. I thought not. Just misogynistic twaddle from the easily swayed. Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling for starts. As for being misogynistic, I'm sure if we bothered to look that there has been many a time on this forum you have criticised women politicians fact of the matter is you can't handle the fact she has damaged the economy so instead blame us for being misogynistic. Erm... Brown did a history degree and then taught at a Tech college or whatever further Education colleges were called in those days. He was a great chancellor I agree but we were talking about qualifications. Rachel Reeves stands head and shoulders above all other chancellors since Gaitskill or someone else ages ago. And yes, you are misogynistic if all you can do is take the piss out of a woman in power using silly expressions. Yeah Brown was a great chancellor. Had the foresight to sell the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible price. Then had no more money to waste. "
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" Yeah Brown was a great chancellor. Had the foresight to sell the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible price. Then had no more money to waste. " Brown is widely acknowledged, certainly outside of Britain, to have been the right leader, in the right place at the right time to rescue the world economy in 2008-09. | |||
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"Do Labour Party Cabinet ministers have to go to Nasal College to talk like utter morons? No, it just comes naturally to them And yet another hilarious stand up comedian... People can't help the way they speak. It's the words they say that are important." I'm actually in repose ... but thank you for the pearls of wisdom. Although people can help the way they speak. Elocution Speak clearly: Articulate words and avoid mumbling Vary your voice: Use different pitches and volumes to convey emotion Avoid vocalized pauses: Don't use "uh," "um," or "like" Delivery Make eye contact: Engage with the audience to make your delivery feel more personal Use gestures: Use natural gestures to describe things, emphasize points, and transition between ideas Move around: Stand tall and move naturally to reduce tension and appear more relatable Consider your audience: Think about the significance of your topic to your audience The labour front bench needs to buck their ideas up and learn how to communicate whatever's bouncing between their ears more professionally. They are sloppy and slapdash. | |||
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" Yeah Brown was a great chancellor. Had the foresight to sell the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible price. Then had no more money to waste. Brown is widely acknowledged, certainly outside of Britain, to have been the right leader, in the right place at the right time to rescue the world economy in 2008-09." This is true… but since he also presided over our economy, and the financial institutions / regulators therein, for the decade before the great financial crash.. he is also widely recognised to have contributed to an environment (e.g. 125% self-cert mortgages, sub-prime selling, etc)… alongside a number of his peers in both US and Europe... that made the crash both foreseeable (as it was) and inevitable (which it was). In this context, he helped to save us from a situation that better & braver regulation could have prevented. | |||
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" I'm actually in repose ... but thank you for the pearls of wisdom. Although people can help the way they speak. Elocution Why should people change the way they speak? Elocution is for those who think speaking posh is an advantage in life. That ship has sailed. Speak clearly: Articulate words and avoid mumbling Vary your voice: Use different pitches and volumes to convey emotion Yep, but no-one is saying the chancellor mumbled Avoid vocalized pauses: Don't use "uh," "um," or "like" "Uh," "um," and "like" are all considered "filler words" used when someone is pausing to think or gather their thoughts while speaking. You would want our chancellor to gather her thoughts wouldn't u? Delivery Make eye contact: Engage with the audience to make your delivery feel more personal She did. Use gestures: Use natural gestures to describe things, emphasize points, and transition between ideas She did Move around: Stand tall and move naturally to reduce tension and appear more relatable She's not a move around person. That shouldn't't detract from her message. Consider your audience: Think about the significance of your topic to your audience She wouldn't be there had she not thought of that... The labour front bench needs to buck their ideas up and learn how to communicate whatever's bouncing between their ears more professionally. They are sloppy and slapdash. " | |||
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"Do Labour Party Cabinet ministers have to go to Nasal College to talk like utter morons? No, it just comes naturally to them And yet another hilarious stand up comedian... People can't help the way they speak. It's the words they say that are important. I'm actually in repose ... but thank you for the pearls of wisdom. Although people can help the way they speak. Elocution Speak clearly: Articulate words and avoid mumbling Vary your voice: Use different pitches and volumes to convey emotion Avoid vocalized pauses: Don't use "uh," "um," or "like" Delivery Make eye contact: Engage with the audience to make your delivery feel more personal Use gestures: Use natural gestures to describe things, emphasize points, and transition between ideas Move around: Stand tall and move naturally to reduce tension and appear more relatable Consider your audience: Think about the significance of your topic to your audience The labour front bench needs to buck their ideas up and learn how to communicate whatever's bouncing between their ears more professionally. They are sloppy and slapdash. " And the ‘science’… Albert Mehrabian, a researcher of body language, who first broke down the components of a face-to-face conversation. He found that communication is 55% nonverbal, 38% vocal, and 7% words only. | |||
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" And the ‘science’… Albert Mehrabian, a researcher of body language, who first broke down the components of a face-to-face conversation. He found that communication is 55% nonverbal, 38% vocal, and 7% words only. " Ah, good old Bert. Pity he didn't consider politicians. His work was about face to face communication it seems. We are now in a world where Farage and Trump can employ Hitleresque rhetoric and whip up a crowd. Words matter. | |||
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" And the ‘science’… Albert Mehrabian, a researcher of body language, who first broke down the components of a face-to-face conversation. He found that communication is 55% nonverbal, 38% vocal, and 7% words only. Ah, good old Bert. Pity he didn't consider politicians. His work was about face to face communication it seems. We are now in a world where Farage and Trump can employ Hitleresque rhetoric and whip up a crowd. Words matter." Mis-Using words like 'Hitleresque' 'Fascist' 'Racist' etc, didn't do the Democrats any favors in the Harris campaign ... and are even less effective now. Those tediously trotted-out mind worms are not serving the leftists at all well. It gets approval from the radicalized student politics brigade and the extreme fringe nutters .... but falls flat elsewhere. | |||
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" And the ‘science’… Albert Mehrabian, a researcher of body language, who first broke down the components of a face-to-face conversation. He found that communication is 55% nonverbal, 38% vocal, and 7% words only. Ah, good old Bert. Pity he didn't consider politicians. His work was about face to face communication it seems. We are now in a world where Farage and Trump can employ Hitleresque rhetoric and whip up a crowd. Words matter." … sometimes you try much too hard to be clever; sometimes you achieve it, other times not.
Do you honestly think different ‘rules’ apply?
Can you really not see that their delivery of those words, which you somewhat ignorantly label as “rhetoric”, are being super-charged through talented use of body language, tone, timing, inflexion, eye contact with camera, etc, etc, etc… These are the skills that make words feel like they matter.
All great leaders, whether for good (Martin Luther King, Churchill, JFK, Obama, etc) or for evil (Hitler), were all highly talented presenters. They inspired millions, by being inspiring: By making the words matter to their audiences.
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