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"Former chairman of Kazakhstan's national security committee Alnur Massayev claims the Soviet KGB recruited Trump before the collapse of the USSR in 1987, assigning him the codename Krasnov......it would certainly explain the Trump Putin bromance... "100% 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 | |||
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"Why do you find it hilarious? He is clearly unhinged and that would certainly explain his erratic behaviour." So you're just going to immediately accept it as factual & run with it are you? Lol ... good luck with that one  | |||
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"I might respectfully suggest you do your own searches about Trump and his visits to Russia.... "Donald Trump's visits to Russia date back to 1987 when he was invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin on an all-expenses-paid trip to the Soviet Union. During this trip, Trump and his wife Ivana scouted potential construction sites for a Trump Tower Moscow Trump returned to Russia in 1996, visiting Moscow with Howard Lorber to explore potential properties for "skiers and hotels." In 2006, Trump's children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., accompanied by Felix Sater, visited Moscow to discuss potential business deals. Ivanka even sat in Vladimir Putin's office chair during a tour of the Kremlin. Trump himself attended the Millionaire's Fair in Moscow in 2007, announcing the expansion of Trump Vodka into the Russian market. He also explored other potential business deals, it's what successful businessmen do!! 😁 | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not... "Fair enough,you are entitled to your thoughts...as erroneous as they are! 😆 | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not... "Yea, it's not like he's ever achieved anything is it ... I'm sure he's highly envious of your stunning success in life | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
Yea, it's not like he's ever achieved anything is it ... I'm sure he's highly envious of your stunning success in life " | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not... "I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man"Or just a greedy capitalist | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man"Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip..... | |||
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"It's been worked out that if Trump had left his inheritance in the bank and done nothing with it he would be worth as much as he is now. Yeah a shithot business man. " Unbelievable!.... Because it's fabricated Leftist nonsense!! | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
Maybe some of us dislike r@pists."Yes I agree, despised as much as conspiracy theorists!! | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
So do you expect us to believe that this reputed billionaire stands convicted of 34 acts of fraud and no law firm in America would appear for him unless he paid up front has any credibility?
You need your head examined.]
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
Maybe some of us dislike r@pists.
Yes I agree, despised as much as conspiracy theorists!!"How is it a conspiracy theory? Drumpf was found to have r@ped a woman. Why are you so keen to try and deflect from that? | |||
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"[The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
So do you expect us to believe that this reputed billionaire stands convicted of 34 acts of fraud and no law firm in America would appear for him unless he paid up front has any credibility?
You need your head examined.]
"I understand that you have concerns about Donald Trump's credibility, and I respect your perspective. However, it's essential to rely on verifiable information when assessing someone's credibility. While Trump has faced numerous lawsuits and allegations, it's crucial to note that being convicted of a crime requires a court's verdict! Regarding Trump's legal representation, it's not uncommon for high-profile individuals to work with law firms that require upfront payment. This arrangement can ensure that the firm is committed to the case and can help manage the costs associated with high-stakes litigation. | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
Maybe some of us dislike r@pists.
Yes I agree, despised as much as conspiracy theorists!!
How is it a conspiracy theory? Drumpf was found to have r@ped a woman. Why are you so keen to try and deflect from that?
"Allegations of sexual misconduct have been made against Donald Trump by several women, including E. Jean Carroll, who accused him of r@ping her in the 1990s. In May 2023, a jury found Trump liable for sexually abusing Carroll and defaming her by calling her a liar, awarding her $5 million in damages. However, it's essential to note that Trump has denied all allegations of sexual misconduct. Regarding the term "conspiracy theory," it's often used to describe a theory that lacks evidence or is based on unproven claims. In the context of Trump's allegations, it's crucial to rely on verifiable information and respect the legal process. Rather than deflecting from the issue, it's essential to approach the topic with empathy and respect for the women who have come forward with their allegations. | |||
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"[The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
I think the 5 billion net worth would say you are wrong,id say he's a good business man
Indeed he is, the Trump opposers are just blinkered Leftists with the proverbial chip.....
So do you expect us to believe that this reputed billionaire stands convicted of 34 acts of fraud and no law firm in America would appear for him unless he paid up front has any credibility?
You need your head examined.]
I understand that you have concerns about Donald Trump's credibility, and I respect your perspective.
However, it's essential to rely on verifiable information when assessing someone's credibility.
While Trump has faced numerous lawsuits and allegations, it's crucial to note that being convicted of a crime requires a court's verdict!
Regarding Trump's legal representation, it's not uncommon for high-profile individuals to work with law firms that require upfront payment. This arrangement can ensure that the firm is committed to the case and can help manage the costs associated with high-stakes litigation.
Nonsense, he has 34 public court convictions against him + a civil conviction where the judge observed that he was in fact guilty of r_pe, so he has no credibility whatsoever. It is practically unheard of for a person of wealth to be asked to pay up front for legal representation, and in Trump's case it was because he had failed to pay his former lawyers.
Trump is hugely in debt and should be in jail where he belongs]
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"I truly can't believe all the Trump apologists on here, fraud,ra.pe, sexual assault, inciting civil insurrection,corruption, tax evasion and many other things....what serious crimes does Trump need to do for the fanboys to see him for what he is.....? "It's understandable that you're frustrated with the differing opinions on Donald Trump. To address your question, Trump has faced numerous allegations and indictment but it's essential to remember that allegations and indictments are not the same as convictions! Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges against him! | |||
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"I truly can't believe all the Trump apologists on here, fraud,ra.pe, sexual assault, inciting civil insurrection,corruption, tax evasion and many other things....what serious crimes does Trump need to do for the fanboys to see him for what he is.....? "I fully agree with everything you are saying] | |||
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"Coming soon: 007 teams up with FSB on a daring mission to assassinate Ukrainian dictator before his secret cryogenics lab brings Adolf Hitler back to life "During which it is discovered that the British PM is an AI robotic automaton known as Comrade Starmeroffski created in a lab in the Moscow suburbs to totally annihilate the UK in readiness for a constitutional coup d'état by Russian forces! 🫣 | |||
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"Many criminals plead not guilty before they were convicted and sent to prison or executed..... "And many innocent people who plead not guilty are not convicted… hence “innocent until proven guilty”; a concept often overlooked by the court-of-social-media nowadays. | |||
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"Many criminals plead not guilty before they were convicted and sent to prison or executed.....
And many innocent people who plead not guilty are not convicted… hence “innocent until proven guilty”; a concept often overlooked by the court-of-social-media nowadays. "“Innocent until proven guilty” and long may that basic legal principle apply! | |||
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"Many criminals plead not guilty before they were convicted and sent to prison or executed.....
And many innocent people who plead not guilty are not convicted… hence “innocent until proven guilty”; a concept often overlooked by the court-of-social-media nowadays.
“Innocent until proven guilty” and long may that basic legal principle apply!
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"So he's simultaneously a nationalistic right-wing-red-blooded-capitalist fascist and a duplicitous hardcore anti-American Soviet Communist?!? " | |||
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"Trump has no left or right bias he's a narcissist billionaire whi craves mony and power and with Musk will dismantle America piece by piece. Medi care and social security he's already started on the freedom of the press." Believing that a small group of billionaires are suddenly thinking about the best interests of the working class takes a particular level of stupidity. | |||
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"Why do you find it hilarious? He is clearly unhinged and that would certainly explain his erratic behaviour." Unhinged is certainly true! | |||
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"Why do you find it hilarious? He is clearly unhinged and that would certainly explain his erratic behaviour. Unhinged is certainly true!" Unhinged to the extent that the cheese has slid off his cracker! | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not... "Absolutely correct . He even manged to bankrupt his casino. So not very good at much . | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
Absolutely correct . He even manged to bankrupt his casino. So not very good at much . "6 times  | |||
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"So he's simultaneously a nationalistic right-wing-red-blooded-capitalist fascist and a duplicitous hardcore anti-American Soviet Communist?!? "That would be the ideal recipe for a world unifying leader... if only it were true! Anyway... if nothing else, he is certainly moving the furniture around! The stick in the mud 'do nothing politicians' are certainly running scared! | |||
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"Trump sells Vodka????? Must be moonshine" Trump would make and sell moonshine if it turned a buck! He is a deal maker... Perhaps its what the world needs at the moment, instead of wars, millions of people being killed and countries turned to rubble! There are other lucrative industries apart from the arms industry! | |||
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"Coming soon: 007 teams up with FSB on a daring mission to assassinate Ukrainian dictator before his secret cryogenics lab brings Adolf Hitler back to life "The mind boggles... If only Mr Hitler had made deals instead of war, he really could have conquered the world. He really should have taken a few lessons from the Trump... 'Do a deal Deal! book! | |||
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"Trump has no left or right bias he's a narcissist billionaire whi craves mony and power and with Musk will dismantle America piece by piece. Medi care and social security he's already started on the freedom of the press. Believing that a small group of billionaires are suddenly thinking about the best interests of the working class takes a particular level of stupidity. " So true... but when the leftist woke brigade have so spectacularly failed it leaves a gaping chasm for Trump and Musk to fill! Welcome to the new world order... at least until the wheel turns again! | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
Absolutely correct . He even manged to bankrupt his casino. So not very good at much . ""So not very good at much???" 😁..... Donald Trump's major business achievements include developing many prolific properties, operating casinos and hotels, and building golf courses and resorts around the world. He also successfully renovated Central Park's Wollman Rink, produced and starred in the reality TV show "The Apprentice," and has successfully licensed his own brand around the world. Trump's financial worth is estimated to be around $5.5 billion to $7.08 billion, yet his blinkered adversaries chose to ignore his many commercial successes and instead attempt to focus on his less successful ventures that are miniscule in comparison! | |||
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"British MAGAs are even weirder than their American counterparts." Lemming syndrome! | |||
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"Former chairman of Kazakhstan's national security committee Alnur Massayev claims the Soviet KGB recruited Trump before the collapse of the USSR in 1987, assigning him the codename Krasnov......it would certainly explain the Trump Putin bromance... "Another leftie, peddling false info | |||
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"Trump is very immature, he probably still shits the bed every night. " So much puerile childish comments about a man that was counted out of reaching office again but made a complete mug of his detractors. While he goes about the business of governance, what straight furrow have you got planned for today | |||
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"Allegedly Putin has a dossier on Trump from his time in Russia with lots of dirty secrets which of course enables a degree of control. " There's been no credible evidence to suggest that Vladimir Putin has a dossier on Donald Trump. While the two leaders have had a complex and often contentious relationship, there's no evidence to support the existence of a dossier. | |||
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"Former chairman of Kazakhstan's national security committee Alnur Massayev claims the Soviet KGB recruited Trump before the collapse of the USSR in 1987, assigning him the codename Krasnov......it would certainly explain the Trump Putin bromance... " | |||
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"Coming soon: 007 teams up with FSB on a daring mission to assassinate Ukrainian dictator before his secret cryogenics lab brings Adolf Hitler back to life
During which it is discovered that the British PM is an AI robotic automaton known as Comrade Starmeroffski created in a lab in the Moscow suburbs to totally annihilate the UK in readiness for a constitutional coup d'état by Russian forces! 🫣"Is that you Nigel | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader" But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. " Boris ? | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. Boris ?" Starmer! | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. Boris ? Starmer!" Based on the last decade.. seems more than half our MPs would likely also fall into this category! | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. Boris ?" Yes, he tried to do what Trump is doing now, got rid of everyone that didn't agree with him. He thought he could do as he pleased, luckily parliament still has standards and rules. We have to wait and see if the American system is as strong as ours to stop a wannabe dictator. | |||
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"You should never take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously. The mistake that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make is that they always take him literally, but never seriously. It's fascinating how his obsessed directors overreact to everything he says or does ... The man certainly knows how to make them all dance on command to his tune. If only GB had an actual leader But virtually everything he's talking about lately is proving not to be true. I would never want a liar in chief like that over here. Boris ? Starmer!" No. Unlike Johnson he hasn't told barefaced lies to the house or lied to the queen. Or even tried to change the parliamentary rules to keep a minister in place. Nice try though. | |||
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"It's been worked out that if Trump had left his inheritance in the bank and done nothing with it he would be worth as much as he is now. Yeah a shithot business man. " Yeah well when your worth 5 billion dollars then you can criticise him | |||
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"Guy, guys, Trump is a facist authoritarian narcissist. If he continues to get his own way we'd better hunker down and prepare for armageddon. "Fool,trump is the only one who can stop armageddon,did you not open your eyes and see how close biden and his cronies got us to ww3 | |||
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"Trump is very immature, he probably still shits the bed every night. So much puerile childish comments about a man that was counted out of reaching office again but made a complete mug of his detractors. While he goes about the business of governance, what straight furrow have you got planned for today" Well said | |||
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"Guy, guys, Trump is a facist authoritarian narcissist. If he continues to get his own way we'd better hunker down and prepare for armageddon.
Fool,trump is the only one who can stop armageddon,did you not open your eyes and see how close biden and his cronies got us to ww3"Biden didn't even come close to ww3. Trump however wants to expand America. Be a Trump fanboy if you like, but his regime is facing lots of opposition as it should. | |||
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"Guy, guys, Trump is a facist authoritarian narcissist. If he continues to get his own way we'd better hunker down and prepare for armageddon.
Fool,trump is the only one who can stop armageddon,did you not open your eyes and see how close biden and his cronies got us to ww3
Biden didn't even come close to ww3.
Trump however wants to expand America.
Be a Trump fanboy if you like, but his regime is facing lots of opposition as it should. "Putin seemed it necessary to rattle his nuclear arsenal a few times in response to Biden’s (and other western leaders) acts. Last one from Biden being that US missiles could now be fired deep into Russia, by Ukraine (after previously not allowing them for this). In the last 3 years we got closer to a nuclear war than anytime in the prior 3 decades. That’s just a reality. As for Trump… well, he certainly seems like a madman, but only history will judge whether it was truly mad or just radical. | |||
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"It's been worked out that if Trump had left his inheritance in the bank and done nothing with it he would be worth as much as he is now. Yeah a shithot business man. Yeah well when your worth 5 billion dollars then you can criticise him" Money does not make you a great person honey. Very shallow type of answer | |||
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"Yea, how dare he get Ukraine and Russia to end their war ... over the heads of the EU too .... He shouldn't be able to just impose peace like that when it could easily be strung out for another couple of years or so. A lot of folk here get a real buzz from 'Standing with Ukraine,, who are they supposed to stand with once the fighting stops?!? " They're not strictly “standing with them”: while the fighting rages, most are safely 100’s, or even 1,000’s, of miles away. Sooner it ends, and the bloodshed stops, the better. Dialogue is the only way to resolve it, given the clear stalemate on the ground. Someone had to be the ‘grown-up’ by being the first to pick up the phone! I’m amazed at how many people seem ideologically opposed to picking up the phone, and instead think the answer is to keep on fighting to see which side runs out of blood first ! | |||
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"Yea, how dare he get Ukraine and Russia to end their war ... over the heads of the EU too .... He shouldn't be able to just impose peace like that when it could easily be strung out for another couple of years or so. A lot of folk here get a real buzz from 'Standing with Ukraine,, who are they supposed to stand with once the fighting stops?!? They're not strictly “standing with them”: while the fighting rages, most are safely 100’s, or even 1,000’s, of miles away. Sooner it ends, and the bloodshed stops, the better. Dialogue is the only way to resolve it, given the clear stalemate on the ground. Someone had to be the ‘grown-up’ by being the first to pick up the phone! I’m amazed at how many people seem ideologically opposed to picking up the phone, and instead think the answer is to keep on fighting to see which side runs out of blood first ! " A simple thought experiment: Imagine every action concerning Ukraine/Russia taken by President Trump, Substitute Trump with Obama .... Almost guarantee that the same people bitching and whining about the issue now, would be lauding Obama to the skies and gushing about how he will get another Nobel Peace prize. Cognitive dissonance towards Trump clouds their minds and triggers an instant position of opposition towards everything he says or does. | |||
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"Yea, how dare he get Ukraine and Russia to end their war ... over the heads of the EU too .... He shouldn't be able to just impose peace like that when it could easily be strung out for another couple of years or so. A lot of folk here get a real buzz from 'Standing with Ukraine,, who are they supposed to stand with once the fighting stops?!? They're not strictly “standing with them”: while the fighting rages, most are safely 100’s, or even 1,000’s, of miles away. Sooner it ends, and the bloodshed stops, the better. Dialogue is the only way to resolve it, given the clear stalemate on the ground. Someone had to be the ‘grown-up’ by being the first to pick up the phone! I’m amazed at how many people seem ideologically opposed to picking up the phone, and instead think the answer is to keep on fighting to see which side runs out of blood first ! A simple thought experiment: Imagine every action concerning Ukraine/Russia taken by President Trump, Substitute Trump with Obama .... Almost guarantee that the same people bitching and whining about the issue now, would be lauding Obama to the skies and gushing about how he will get another Nobel Peace prize. Cognitive dissonance towards Trump clouds their minds and triggers an instant position of opposition towards everything he says or does. " It would help if Trump didn't keep making out he has made deals that he hasn't. "I've spoken to russia and we're close to a deal". Russia, no you haven't.. "Ukraine are giving me access to their minerals". Ukraine, No we aren't.. "I think the people of Canada would rather like the idea of being the 51st state... Nope. | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? " Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! " .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. | |||
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"Why do you find it hilarious? He is clearly unhinged and that would certainly explain his erratic behaviour." Hardly, if you think about it, spies are recruited in order to blend in and not stand out in a crowd | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. " And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol In these current times, I am reminded of this phrase used by Kennedy 50+ years ago. Only history will determine if “progress” is derived… “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” [George Bernard Shaw] | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol In these current times, I am reminded of this phrase used by Kennedy 50+ years ago. Only history will determine if “progress” is derived… “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” [George Bernard Shaw]" ... .. ... It's an opinion based on empirical evidence. 'Progress is a comfortable disease' E.E Cummings.... Perhaps you can expand on the GBS quote and how it relates to the subjective/objective in the age of the screen? | |||
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"The vodka made in the Netherlands never made the predictions of sales targets and was discontinued, there was a lawsuit over non payments of bills, Trump tower Moscow was never built....... businessman .....I think not...
Fair enough,you are entitled to your thoughts...as erroneous as they are! 😆"It has been stated that if Trump had just invested his money wisely in the high growth sectors of the US economy, he would now be worth $80 Billion, rather than the $2 Billion ... +/- $2 Billion ... that was the current estimate a few years ago. All that stuff about being a great business tycoon ... The Apprentice ... Art Of The Deal ... it's all just PR fluff, smoke and mirrors. This is a guy who managed to go bankrupt running casinos: place where obscenely rich people go to impress people by throwing their money into a hole in a table | |||
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" "And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol" " ====================================== Sounds like you've swallowed their own myth that they're warriors fighting in defence of "Free Speech". They're currently carving their way through the military & public services, dismissing those identified as "Woke" & replacing them with nonentities whose only qualification is unswerving loyalty to the Orange Fart. Banning books from school & public libraries. Attacking public service media. So their claim to support free speech needs some qualification: like "Free Speech ... but only of opinions that we approve of. Not that 'Woke' stuff". In other words ... not free at all. | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol In these current times, I am reminded of this phrase used by Kennedy 50+ years ago. Only history will determine if “progress” is derived… “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” [George Bernard Shaw] ... .. ... It's an opinion based on empirical evidence. 'Progress is a comfortable disease' E.E Cummings.... Perhaps you can expand on the GBS quote and how it relates to the subjective/objective in the age of the screen?" “Empirical”… not strictly correct, given the subjectivity / relativity. E.g. about 50% of Americans approve of what Trump is doing (21/2/25 data). So, it remains a mere opinion of yours. No point trying to elevate it any further. As for the GBS quote - it has never been more true… Do we really want leaders who plan to try to maintain the status quo, given how badly it is delivering for the majority? 16 of the last 20 years were Democrat. 14 of the last 15 Tory… surely it is time for something / someone more radical. I do concede that there is little about Trump to like. His methods are bizarre and even offensive. I do not like him! But the question only history can answer… was he effective? Finally, looking to the polls here, in the US, and across Europe… there is serious and growing momentum for tougher leadership, and to break from the past “way of things”. So, I sense GBS’s “unreasonableness” is going to be the political force of the now/future… I truly hope it drives progress! History will tell us. | |||
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" "And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol" ====================================== Sounds like you've swallowed their own myth that they're warriors fighting in defence of "Free Speech". They're currently carving their way through the military & public services, dismissing those identified as "Woke" & replacing them with nonentities whose only qualification is unswerving loyalty to the Orange Fart. Banning books from school & public libraries. Attacking public service media. So their claim to support free speech needs some qualification: like "Free Speech ... but only of opinions that we approve of. Not that 'Woke' stuff". In other words ... not free at all." Seems you’ve swallowed some ideologic bs too  | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol In these current times, I am reminded of this phrase used by Kennedy 50+ years ago. Only history will determine if “progress” is derived… “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” [George Bernard Shaw] ... .. ... It's an opinion based on empirical evidence. 'Progress is a comfortable disease' E.E Cummings.... Perhaps you can expand on the GBS quote and how it relates to the subjective/objective in the age of the screen? “Empirical”… not strictly correct, given the subjectivity / relativity. E.g. about 50% of Americans approve of what Trump is doing (21/2/25 data). So, it remains a mere opinion of yours. No point trying to elevate it any further. As for the GBS quote - it has never been more true… Do we really want leaders who plan to try to maintain the status quo, given how badly it is delivering for the majority? 16 of the last 20 years were Democrat. 14 of the last 15 Tory… surely it is time for something / someone more radical. I do concede that there is little about Trump to like. His methods are bizarre and even offensive. I do not like him! But the question only history can answer… was he effective? Finally, looking to the polls here, in the US, and across Europe… there is serious and growing momentum for tougher leadership, and to break from the past “way of things”. So, I sense GBS’s “unreasonableness” is going to be the political force of the now/future… I truly hope it drives progress! History will tell us. " ... ... Empirical as in source-based. Also as in what came befor it's political career. Lived c.f Balmedie. GBS of course lived in a society that didn't have the technology that enables the masses to have an opinion. What is reasonable/unreasonable in this epoch may not have been in his day and age. Especially from a dialectical perspective. Progress in GBS's era obviously didn't rely on the screen. | |||
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" "And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol" ====================================== Sounds like you've swallowed their own myth that they're warriors fighting in defence of "Free Speech". They're currently carving their way through the military & public services, dismissing those identified as "Woke" & replacing them with nonentities whose only qualification is unswerving loyalty to the Orange Fart. Banning books from school & public libraries. Attacking public service media. So their claim to support free speech needs some qualification: like "Free Speech ... but only of opinions that we approve of. Not that 'Woke' stuff". In other words ... not free at all. Seems you’ve swallowed some ideologic bs too "Do explain to me how i am wrong in pointing out that Trump's & Musk's support for "free speech" is highly selective. Their actions in eliminating so-called "woke" people from employment are matters of record. | |||
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"Don't believe everything you hear on the news or social media It's not always true. I recommend doing a thorough research to find out if it's true." So if we eliminate "news" ... and "social media" ... that leaves "blokes down the pub" or "making shit up" | |||
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" "And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol" ====================================== Sounds like you've swallowed their own myth that they're warriors fighting in defence of "Free Speech". They're currently carving their way through the military & public services, dismissing those identified as "Woke" & replacing them with nonentities whose only qualification is unswerving loyalty to the Orange Fart. Banning books from school & public libraries. Attacking public service media. So their claim to support free speech needs some qualification: like "Free Speech ... but only of opinions that we approve of. Not that 'Woke' stuff". In other words ... not free at all. Seems you’ve swallowed some ideologic bs too
Do explain to me how i am wrong in pointing out that Trump's & Musk's support for "free speech" is highly selective.
Their actions in eliminating so-called "woke" people from employment are matters of record."Why do you think you are entitled to an explanation from me? Your choice of words clearly demonstrate that you have an opinion, shaped by a singular perspective of events, thus highlighting your ideological bias. I’d stand more chance persuading the sun to rise early. | |||
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"Lefty/woke... The predictable convenience. Amusing nonetheless... Could it not be that DECENT people are able to see through Agent Orange's deception, megalomania and bs and conclude he's a wrong un? Only problem… people who voted for Trump also consider themselves DECENT people (and who probably believe they can “see through” Biden’s and Democrat’s agenda). I’ve a few work colleagues who have openly mentioned they voted for Trump, and they’re lovely generous people. So, trying to claim the “decent” high-ground only serves to drive the wedge we now have in society, deeper. Irrespective of political leanings, the vast majority of people decent: Different, but decent! .... ... Decent as in those this side of the pond who have an opinion. Voting for a monster doesn't strike me as remotely decent but that's just my opinion. In terms of the wedge, minds are already made up about Agent Orange. Opinions offered on here about Trump aren't going to make the slightest difference on the street. Opinions made online about those figures who do carry clout at ground level in the 'UK' so to speak are however a different matter. And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol In these current times, I am reminded of this phrase used by Kennedy 50+ years ago. Only history will determine if “progress” is derived… “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” [George Bernard Shaw] ... .. ... It's an opinion based on empirical evidence. 'Progress is a comfortable disease' E.E Cummings.... Perhaps you can expand on the GBS quote and how it relates to the subjective/objective in the age of the screen? “Empirical”… not strictly correct, given the subjectivity / relativity. E.g. about 50% of Americans approve of what Trump is doing (21/2/25 data). So, it remains a mere opinion of yours. No point trying to elevate it any further. As for the GBS quote - it has never been more true… Do we really want leaders who plan to try to maintain the status quo, given how badly it is delivering for the majority? 16 of the last 20 years were Democrat. 14 of the last 15 Tory… surely it is time for something / someone more radical. I do concede that there is little about Trump to like. His methods are bizarre and even offensive. I do not like him! But the question only history can answer… was he effective? Finally, looking to the polls here, in the US, and across Europe… there is serious and growing momentum for tougher leadership, and to break from the past “way of things”. So, I sense GBS’s “unreasonableness” is going to be the political force of the now/future… I truly hope it drives progress! History will tell us. ... ... Empirical as in source-based. Also as in what came befor it's political career. Lived c.f Balmedie. GBS of course lived in a society that didn't have the technology that enables the masses to have an opinion. What is reasonable/unreasonable in this epoch may not have been in his day and age. Especially from a dialectical perspective. Progress in GBS's era obviously didn't rely on the screen. " I agree different times… but the reality is that things need to change, as the status-quo is no longer delivering… and the polls suggest voters are starting to get more radical in their choices. Watch Germany’s elections today and May’s elections here. Trump, love him or hate him, looks to be the beginning of a new way, a new broom. I anticipate more “unreasonableness” to come from more leaders. | |||
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" "And you’re entitled to your “monster” opinion of course… something Trump and Musk would (ironically) defend for you lol" ====================================== Sounds like you've swallowed their own myth that they're warriors fighting in defence of "Free Speech". They're currently carving their way through the military & public services, dismissing those identified as "Woke" & replacing them with nonentities whose only qualification is unswerving loyalty to the Orange Fart. Banning books from school & public libraries. Attacking public service media. So their claim to support free speech needs some qualification: like "Free Speech ... but only of opinions that we approve of. Not that 'Woke' stuff". In other words ... not free at all. Seems you’ve swallowed some ideologic bs too
Do explain to me how i am wrong in pointing out that Trump's & Musk's support for "free speech" is highly selective.
Their actions in eliminating so-called "woke" people from employment are matters of record.
Why do you think you are entitled to an explanation from me?
Your choice of words clearly demonstrate that you have an opinion, shaped by a singular perspective of events, thus highlighting your ideological bias.
I’d stand more chance persuading the sun to rise early. "You chose to use an expression like "ideologic bs", and i thought you deserved the opportunity to justify the implication, with hard evidence, that there was no factual basis to my statement that Trump's & Musk's support of "free speech" is highly selective. You chose not to take it. Instead, you just doubled down on it by squawking "ideology". Once again: their actions are matters of record, not opinion. | |||
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