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By *edBear OP   Man
1 week ago

Manchester

Guess which country has been left off the list?

#quellesurprise

#putinspoodle

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East

He announced tariffs on the Heard and McDonald Islands, whose only occupants are penguins and who presumably have also been "rap-ing and pillaging" the USA.

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By *im125Man
1 week ago

Perth


"He announced tariffs on the Heard and McDonald Islands, whose only occupants are penguins and who presumably have also been "rap-ing and pillaging" the USA.

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Yes,those nasty penguins, flooding the USA with their chocolate biscuits

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By *lasgow verse 60s guyMan
1 week ago

Glasgow

Just wait. One of those days someone will get him. Remember Dallas 1963

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By *uy near ArundelMan
1 week ago

Nr Arundel

Maybe we should all stop exporting to the US - if only it was that easy.

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By *speedoMan
1 week ago

eastbourne


"Guess which country has been left off the list?

#quellesurprise

#putinspoodle"

He says it’s because USA isn’t trading with Russia

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East

It's economic warfare - war without the bullets.

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By *wladMan
1 week ago

high wycombe

He's announced tariffs to places that are only inhabited by penguins.

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By *ldmanleeMan
1 week ago

southsea

The guys a total clown image putting a tariff on an island with only penguins on it

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By *eefandfurMan
1 week ago

Edinburgh


"Guess which country has been left off the list?

#quellesurprise

#putinspoodle"

Russia is still under sanctions, no point applying a tariff to non-existent exports.

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By *amelaXTV/TS
1 week ago

Swindon

The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

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By *ldmanleeMan
1 week ago

southsea

He also put a pretty big tariff on the Falkland island something like 49%

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By *string123Man
1 week ago

here

Yes in Mar a Largo this time

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By *string123Man
1 week ago

here

Hes a total bafoon as are all that voted for him

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By *espectdueMan
1 week ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy.

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By *omo-ErectusMan
1 week ago

Bolton

Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

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By *3versMan
1 week ago

glasgow


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

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Global recession, fall in stocks markets that pension schemes invest in - it will affect everyone

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

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But I imagine you consume products imported from the USA, and they will soon become more expensive to buy when you have to start paying additional taxes on them.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

Have you worked out the consequences for Northern Ireland yet?

I imagine UK and EU will co-ordinate their response, since the UK risks being hit by EU tariffs should it act in a way that undermines the single market in NI.

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By *usan 749ukTV/TS
1 week ago

Bangor

We don’t really know what the consequences will be, if any, so let’s not get hysterical and see what happens

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By *ffsideMan
1 week ago

liverpool


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

What you are happy with keir stalmer...thats amazing..

And as for brexit... only idiots thing it's been a good thing..

And if we sell tbe nhs and eat chlorinated chicken for a 10% tariff im sure u will be ecstatic ya big mumpsimus

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"We don’t really know what the consequences will be, if any, so let’s not get hysterical and see what happens "

We know that from tomorrow cars arriving in the USA from the UK will be charged a 25% tax on their value at the border.

We know that from tomorrow all other goods arriving from the UK, such as whisky, will be charged a 10% tax on their value at the border.

So it is reasonable to expect demand for our products to drop as the retail prices rise in the US marketplace.

UK exports to the USA are worth about £64 billion a year. Any drop in demand will have a knock-on effect on the workplaces here that make these goods.

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By *wladMan
1 week ago

high wycombe


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

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Ah, so you buy all your food, clothes and everything else only from British manufacturers?

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By *laireKTV/TS
1 week ago

Manchester

As a share of GDP manufacturing has fallen from 30% in 1970 to just over 16% in 1990 and less than 9% in 2022

Yet, all of a sudden people are worried about protecting UK manufacturing?

What was your excuse for the last 3 decades?

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East

Either you believe in free markets or you don't. Trump does not.

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By *androvermanMan
1 week ago

Burton upon Trent

Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

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Those figures have been debunked.

Blocking the sale of chlorinated chicken on health grounds, for example, is not a tariff, it is public health policy. But the cost has been factored into the US calculations and presented as a tariff.

Trumptown economics.

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By *uy near ArundelMan
1 week ago

Nr Arundel


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

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Well yeah as long as you're ok, then everything's fine

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By *ibblefishMan
1 week ago

louthish

I think I can cope without Coca Cola, Levi jeans and Harley Davidson motorised bicycles

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By *hubsloverMan
1 week ago

East/west sussex


"We don’t really know what the consequences will be, if any, so let’s not get hysterical and see what happens "

Oh thank you . Let’s him fuck everyone till our turn ?

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

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...do you have any actual proof these figures are legit...or are you just copying them off trump's chart...?

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "
...finally..!!!....you have something to crow about....hahaha

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By *ryanything7oMan
1 week ago

redcar


"Just wait. One of those days someone will get him. Remember Dallas 1963"

Yes and he never backed down to Russia plus was well like not like the arse hole in charge now

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

...do you have any actual proof these figures are legit...or are you just copying them off trump's chart...?"

Look at the difference between the figures for the EU and the UK, yet the trading terms between UK/USA and EU/USA are exactly the same.

The figures are derived not from tariffs but trade imbalances - the difference between what the EU and UK export to the USA and what we import.

Where there is a deficit, Trump calls it a tariff.

Trade imbalances are inevitable in free markets.

You export what you are good at making, and import what others are good at making.

The USA wants to destroy free trade.

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By *cunnySucker69Man
1 week ago

Scunthorpe

We should go back to what we used to do and buy British, if we can get back to that it will not affect us and our businesses will keep going, more secure jobs etc

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By *androvermanMan
1 week ago

Burton upon Trent


"We should go back to what we used to do and buy British, if we can get back to that it will not affect us and our businesses will keep going, more secure jobs etc "

100% Buy British Agreed and really we should be boycotting China made products too for obvious reasons.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East

So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

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By *androvermanMan
1 week ago

Burton upon Trent


"...do you have any actual proof these figures are legit...or are you just copying them off trump's chart...?"

Copied from the lefty leaning Guardian's website.

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By *uriousbibristolMan
1 week ago

Bristol


"We should go back to what we used to do and buy British, if we can get back to that it will not affect us and our businesses will keep going, more secure jobs etc

100% Buy British Agreed and really we should be boycotting China made products too for obvious reasons."

Could you run me through the practicalities of this please? And how you've achieved this? I'm eager to see the cracks in your sweeping statement appear..

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By *androvermanMan
1 week ago

Burton upon Trent


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

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100% Agreed I should have said, sorry for the confusion. Yes of course we will continue to buy food products from world-wide markets. But let's try and avoid the cheap products from China.

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By *uriousbibristolMan
1 week ago

Bristol


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried

100% Agreed I should have said, sorry for the confusion. Yes of course we will continue to buy food products from world-wide markets. But let's try and avoid the cheap products from China."

Would the British food have to be delivered on British made boats, transported from ports in British made lorries and then unloaded by British people with British surnames, wearing British made clothing, using British made phones to arrange to have their British cocks sucked in British made cars by British tops smelling of British aftershave?

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By *uriousbibristolMan
1 week ago

Bristol

*non British...of course. My bad.

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By *ammy57Man
1 week ago

Stevenage


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

Wait and see there is precious little in this country exported to USA that isn't owned by USA.

If UK matches the likely 20%eu tariff then the country will struggle given 30%of GDP is based on American activity.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

100% Agreed I should have said, sorry for the confusion. Yes of course we will continue to buy food products from world-wide markets. But let's try and avoid the cheap products from China."

The device you are logging onto this site from, where was it made? Korea, Japan, China, USA?

What British-made device do you suggest we use instead?

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By *ammy57Man
1 week ago

Stevenage


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

Global recession, fall in stocks markets that pension schemes invest in - it will affect everyone "

In terms of protecting industries that need to restructure tariffs could be good. They might actually allow a resurgence of production if done carefully and supported with other policies.

Of all trump has done that I'm aware of this is perhaps the only thing which might , possibly, improve the bottom line for average employees

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"Who really cares though? Does not affect me one little bit. I do not export to the Yooessay, not does any company I deal with.

Global recession, fall in stocks markets that pension schemes invest in - it will affect everyone

In terms of protecting industries that need to restructure tariffs could be good. They might actually allow a resurgence of production if done carefully and supported with other policies.

Of all trump has done that I'm aware of this is perhaps the only thing which might , possibly, improve the bottom line for average employees "

What about the workers in the US whose jobs rely on exports?

Take Boeing, for example.

EU and UK could quite easily slap 20% on sales of their aircraft here.

This would be great news for aviation jobs with Airbus here and a disaster for jobs over there.

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By *ammy57Man
1 week ago

Stevenage


"Either you believe in free markets or you don't. Trump does not.

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Neither do I. It's perhaps the only thing I'd agree with from the trump grandstand. Global trade along neo liberal lines is what will force us to accept the coordinated chicken and a privatised NHS.

Tearing up two and starting again is no bad thing

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By *cunnySucker69Man
1 week ago

Scunthorpe


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

I was born in 1958, in the fifties and sixties we managed and now we have froze foods so even better

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"Either you believe in free markets or you don't. Trump does not.

Neither do I. It's perhaps the only thing I'd agree with from the trump grandstand. Global trade along neo liberal lines is what will force us to accept the coordinated chicken and a privatised NHS.

Tearing up two and starting again is no bad thing "

No, that's US tariffs you are thinking of. When UK goes to White House to negotiate a trade deal, what do you think they will say?

Ok, will scrap the tariffs in return for you giving us your NHS and letting us sell our chicken.

Britain has said no once before and will say no again.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

I was born in 1958, in the fifties and sixties we managed and now we have froze foods so even better

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The only thing worse than dried turnip must be frozen turnip.

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By *0yguyMan
1 week ago

Cumberland


"So you'd both be happy to see our supermarkets stripped of all that fresh produce we import to see us through the winter months?

What do you recommend we switch our diet to this winter? Dried turnip?

I was born in 1958, in the fifties and sixties we managed and now we have froze foods so even better

The only thing worse than dried turnip must be frozen turnip."

Whatever we don’t need is American GM vegetables and chlorinated chicken.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
1 week ago

here ford shire


"Just wait. One of those days someone will get him. Remember Dallas 1963"

Don’t think we should promote that tbh

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By *hristine_JTV/TS
1 week ago

Anglesey


"Just wait. One of those days someone will get him. Remember Dallas 1963

Don’t think we should promote that tbh"

This

Keep it quiet, don't alarm the man, make sure he keeps is head in clear view

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By *ountainMan
1 week ago

ipswich

No tariffs on my bottom yet.

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By *uy near ArundelMan
1 week ago

Nr Arundel


"I think I can cope without Coca Cola, Levi jeans and Harley Davidson motorised bicycles"

What do they have to do with it?

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By *uy near ArundelMan
1 week ago

Nr Arundel


"No tariffs on my bottom yet."
a great place to take one's frustration on. Same applies to mine

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By *utSouthenderMan
1 week ago

Southend-on-Sea

He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in.

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By *andomguy321Man
1 week ago

reading

So many knickers in a twist ... and suddenly everyone's an economist

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"...do you have any actual proof these figures are legit...or are you just copying them off trump's chart...?

Copied from the lefty leaning Guardian's website."

....do you realise how childish that sounds....?

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"So many knickers in a twist ... and suddenly everyone's an economist "
....except you...

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By *ngel50TV/TS
1 week ago

Kinross


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

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By *ngel50TV/TS
1 week ago

Kinross


"Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

"

True and note; the UK already charges the USA 10% on Mercedes and BMW imports to the UK

And before someone feels smug and says ohhh but BMW and Mercedes are Germany, they are also manufactured in usa and imported to the UK with a 10% tariff

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"Fact Check... have the trump haters actually looked at the tariffs list to see what other countries have been charging the US for comparison? Google it. Why is everyone complaining, look at what other countries have been charging the US for years.

For example a few counties form the list;

China 67% US 34%

European Union 39% US 20%

Vietnam 90% US 46%

Taiwan 64% US 32%

Japan 46% US 24%

India 52% US 26%

UK 10% US 10%

In virtually all cases the US is only reciprocating with half of what other countries are charging on US imports.

True and note; the UK already charges the USA 10% on Mercedes and BMW imports to the UK

And before someone feels smug and says ohhh but BMW and Mercedes are Germany, they are also manufactured in usa and imported to the UK with a 10% tariff "

...someone else who doesn't know the difference between a trade imbalance and a tariff ..

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By *leepflowerMan
1 week ago

Leek

10% is WTO terms, isn't it?

Remember Faragists and their "Let's go WTO" refrain less than 5 years ago?

Fagash seems oddly quiet on that.

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By *eefandfurMan
1 week ago

Edinburgh

Cheering on the Globalist Hegemony because you don't like the disrupter.

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By *vmarisaTV/TS
1 week ago

Motherwell

Just keep shorting that's what I say if The Donald and his balloons want to prevent free trade play their game back, they win on the troughs and then they win on the peaks, so why shouldn't the shrewd among us not do likewise,just making a market for a dishonest buck.

" If the system is fucked then fuck the system". Maoh tse tung.

Mx 💰💰💰

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By *opcock58Man
1 week ago

Helston

I must say as much as I detest Trumpet and his side kick if the figures being banded about are true I can see what his beef is.

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By *over40Man
1 week ago

aberdeen

[Removed by poster at 03/04/25 16:40:58]

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
1 week ago

Bristol East


"I must say as much as I detest Trumpet and his side kick if the figures being banded about are true I can see what his beef is."

Except they are not.

Trump's team has taken the trade deficit with each foreign market to calculate the tariffs he needs to impose to achieve a neutral balance of payments.

These figures he cites are not tariffs imposed by the EU or the UK or any other market.

He is rigging the market, basically. It is no longer free.

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By *leepflowerMan
1 week ago

Leek


"I must say as much as I detest Trumpet and his side kick if the figures being banded about are true I can see what his beef is."

It's Trump. How likely is it that the figures are true?

I'm going with almost certainly not.

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By *d sometimesTV/TS
1 week ago

Melton Mowbray


"He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in. "

And with a massive vote too. Just incredulous I think how easily the Americans are hoodwinked. Mind you Biden shouldn't have stood in the first place.

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By *ames canMan
1 week ago

monaghan


"He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in.

And with a massive vote too. Just incredulous I think how easily the Americans are hoodwinked. Mind you Biden shouldn't have stood in the first place. "

...it wasn't a massive vote actually...don't believe everything bullshit barbie spouts everyday from the press room

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By *ngel50TV/TS
1 week ago

Kinross

Nobody Forces anyone to deal or trade with the usa, although greed always takes first place

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By *andomguy321Man
1 week ago

reading


"So many knickers in a twist ... and suddenly everyone's an economist ....except you..."

Evidently

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By *lackbootzMan
1 week ago

Hayes, Middx

You should sauté strips of turnip with rich butter and sage actually. Very yummy.

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By *ngel50TV/TS
1 week ago

Kinross


"He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in.

And with a massive vote too. Just incredulous I think how easily the Americans are hoodwinked. Mind you Biden shouldn't have stood in the first place. "

Who cares, I'm alright as are most in UK

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By *0yguyMan
1 week ago

Cumberland


"He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in.

And with a massive vote too. Just incredulous I think how easily the Americans are hoodwinked. Mind you Biden shouldn't have stood in the first place.

Who cares, I'm alright as are most in UK "

Yes me too. Head in the sand.

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By *ello 1000Man
1 week ago

Lincolnshire


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in "

Like sending a life boat to save the Titanic .........today

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By *atesandmoreMan
7 days ago

crooked spire town

Think I'd much rather have a good trading partnership with the rest of the EU than with the USA. Let Trump put a 200% tariff on the UK not sure it'd affect me that much. I can live without their crappy cars, bleached chicken and disgusting spirits thankyou very much.

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By *uy near ArundelMan
7 days ago

Nr Arundel


"Think I'd much rather have a good trading partnership with the rest of the EU than with the USA. Let Trump put a 200% tariff on the UK not sure it'd affect me that much. I can live without their crappy cars, bleached chicken and disgusting spirits thankyou very much. "

It's nothing to do with their cars and chickens. It's an increase in tax on goods exported to the US!

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By *uy near ArundelMan
7 days ago

Nr Arundel


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in "

They probably don't want us. And we would never get the deal we had!

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today "

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in "

. Most of us don't regret Brexit. Just unfortunate our leaving was followed by the gulf war,energy crisis, a global unidentified pandemic and a start of Ukraine war. But apparently all that had no bearing on our economy lol lol

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By *hubsloverMan
7 days ago

East/west sussex

What happens to Chinese and European products on Amazon? Does it mean the prices will be different on us amazon than Europe?

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Think I'd much rather have a good trading partnership with the rest of the EU than with the USA. Let Trump put a 200% tariff on the UK not sure it'd affect me that much. I can live without their crappy cars, bleached chicken and disgusting spirits thankyou very much. "
. Think you misunderstood the Tariffs. It's our export goods their effecting. Not our imports goods. 1000s of UK jobs at risk

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By *uy near ArundelMan
7 days ago

Nr Arundel


"Think I'd much rather have a good trading partnership with the rest of the EU than with the USA. Let Trump put a 200% tariff on the UK not sure it'd affect me that much. I can live without their crappy cars, bleached chicken and disgusting spirits thankyou very much. . Think you misunderstood the Tariffs. It's our export goods their effecting. Not our imports goods. 1000s of UK jobs at risk"

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"What happens to Chinese and European products on Amazon? Does it mean the prices will be different on us amazon than Europe? "

Products made in China or Europe, and imported to the UK, are unaffected by this.

Trump's announcement effectively erects walls around the US marketplace.

Any manufacturer wanting to sell into their market now has to pay taxes on their products to the US Government, starting at a minimum of 10%.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

Or the importer does

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Or the importer does"
so how does that differ from the EU? Non EU countries are saddled with a tariff to export to EU countries

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Or the importer does so how does that differ from the EU? Non EU countries are saddled with a tariff to export to EU countries"

Some are, some aren't.

Our trade agreements mostly are "copy and paste" of the EU ones.

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Or the importer does so how does that differ from the EU? Non EU countries are saddled with a tariff to export to EU countries

Some are, some aren't.

Our trade agreements mostly are "copy and paste" of the EU ones."

most are, some aren't lol. It's no different that the Trump tariff. Just the EU don't like it. USA are our biggest trading partners. Thats market we need to look after

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

Go back to before the single market and countries in Europe used to apply tariffs at their borders to imports from other countries in Europe.

The creation of the single market swept away all those tariffs and created a free market.

Any tariffs now apply to goods coming into Europe at the border of the EU.

The unique position of NI, I think, means it is inevitable that any retaliatory action by the EU and UK will be in harmony.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Or the importer does so how does that differ from the EU? Non EU countries are saddled with a tariff to export to EU countries

Some are, some aren't.

Our trade agreements mostly are "copy and paste" of the EU ones.most are, some aren't lol. It's no different that the Trump tariff. Just the EU don't like it. USA are our biggest trading partners. Thats market we need to look after"

The EU does not impose blanket taxes on EVERY product coming into the single market, only those where it believes the competition is unfair, e.g. state subsidies that undercut EU producers.

Blanket tariffs on everyone are illegal under the WTO rules. Trump will just ignore the WTO.

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Go back to before the single market and countries in Europe used to apply tariffs at their borders to imports from other countries in Europe.

The creation of the single market swept away all those tariffs and created a free market.

Any tariffs now apply to goods coming into Europe at the border of the EU.

The unique position of NI, I think, means it is inevitable that any retaliatory action by the EU and UK will be in harmony."

. Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Or the importer does so how does that differ from the EU? Non EU countries are saddled with a tariff to export to EU countries

Some are, some aren't.

Our trade agreements mostly are "copy and paste" of the EU ones.most are, some aren't lol. It's no different that the Trump tariff. Just the EU don't like it. USA are our biggest trading partners. Thats market we need to look after"

It really isn't.

Our largest trading partners are still the EU despite Brexit.

America is important but it doesn't defy geography

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine"

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Go back to before the single market and countries in Europe used to apply tariffs at their borders to imports from other countries in Europe.

The creation of the single market swept away all those tariffs and created a free market.

Any tariffs now apply to goods coming into Europe at the border of the EU.

The unique position of NI, I think, means it is inevitable that any retaliatory action by the EU and UK will be in harmony.. Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine"

So presumably you also think that tariffs imposed at the UK border are also unfair? Do you despise the UK, too, in your lust for open trade borders?

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession."

so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?"

. That we have a totally free of tariff agreement with the EU?? Lol

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?"

Largely due to excess red tape not tariffs.

When everything takes more time and effort you have to pay more people in the chain, hence prices go up.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?. That we have a totally free of tariff agreement with the EU?? Lol"

Wow, the ignorance of a Brexit voter who backs Boris Johnson Brexit deal.

You know all this is freely available on line

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?"

The increase in costs arises from importers and exporters now being knee-deep in customs paperwork and border controls, not from tariffs.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

Take cars.

Because the UK and USA do not have any trade agreement, the UK applies a tariff to cars coming in from the USA at 10%.

The USA is now applying a tariff of 25% on cars coming into the USA from the UK.

The outcome is higher prices all round.

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?

Largely due to excess red tape not tariffs.

When everything takes more time and effort you have to pay more people in the chain, hence prices go up.

"

. Tell that to rest of the world lol. I don't think so. And just diversifying a bit. What about Starmer increasing national insurance for employers by 5%% coupled with an increase in minimum wage for all employers. There's another ten percent effectively a tariff on employers to the government. So let's not pretend TRumps move is any more damaging that our own government or the EU.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?

Largely due to excess red tape not tariffs.

When everything takes more time and effort you have to pay more people in the chain, hence prices go up.

. Tell that to rest of the world lol. I don't think so. And just diversifying a bit. What about Starmer increasing national insurance for employers by 5%% coupled with an increase in minimum wage for all employers. There's another ten percent effectively a tariff on employers to the government. So let's not pretend TRumps move is any more damaging that our own government or the EU. "

Not paying your workers a decent living wage???

It's a view I suppose

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Tell that to rest of the world lol. I don't think so. And just diversifying a bit. What about Starmer increasing national insurance for employers by 5%% coupled with an increase in minimum wage for all employers. There's another ten percent effectively a tariff on employers to the government. So let's not pretend TRumps move is any more damaging that our own government or the EU. "

Oh, dear, have you just discovered that government taxes business?

The difference is Trump is now taxing all their trade, too.

What's he going to do with all the revenue he now expects to flood into the US Treasury from customs at the US border?

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Still a tariff for non EU countries importing into Europe. That's unfair and no different than Trump. Why I dispose the EU so much. Smiled when they were hit back with there own medicine

I think you do not understand what Trump has done.

It is incomparable to what the EU (or UK) does, within the rules of the WTO.

Trade agreements between different markets usually remove tariffs by evening out any disparities in how respective markets function.

The EU has 44 such agreements with 76 countries.

Trump has declared war on the rest of the world by erecting a wall to everyone who wants to sell anything into the USA.

The rest of the world is likely to respond by erecting walls to anyone in the USA who wants to sell into their market.

The outcome will be inflation and reduced economic trade between countries, i.e. recession. so your suggesting that manufacturers in UK have not experienced and price increases to export to the EU since Brexit?

Largely due to excess red tape not tariffs.

When everything takes more time and effort you have to pay more people in the chain, hence prices go up.

. Tell that to rest of the world lol. I don't think so. And just diversifying a bit. What about Starmer increasing national insurance for employers by 5%% coupled with an increase in minimum wage for all employers. There's another ten percent effectively a tariff on employers to the government. So let's not pretend TRumps move is any more damaging that our own government or the EU.

Not paying your workers a decent living wage???

It's a view I suppose "

. I'm just making a point that employers are picking up additional costs happening in last few months and now from our own government. Another 10 percent. And that's on all businesses. Not just exporters. Pay increase is all very well if your not one of the unfortunate who will lose there jobs because of the squeeze.

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Maybe we should all stop exporting to the US - if only it was that easy."
. They are our biggest trading partners

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Maybe we should all stop exporting to the US - if only it was that easy.. They are our biggest trading partners"

EU - 41%

USA - 21.2%

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"Maybe we should all stop exporting to the US - if only it was that easy.. They are our biggest trading partners

EU - 41%

USA - 21.2%"

. Those figures are totally inaccurate. Check your source

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Maybe we should all stop exporting to the US - if only it was that easy.. They are our biggest trading partners

EU - 41%

USA - 21.2%. Those figures are totally inaccurate. Check your source"

Awks - gov.uk

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By *q oralistMan
7 days ago

Torquay


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy. "

The main benefit continues big time - we are no longer pushed around by the un elected in Brussels long may it continue.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy.

The main benefit continues big time - we are no longer pushed around by the un elected in Brussels long may it continue. "

Except instead of having an anchor of an economy of 449 million people we are now buffeted by every headwind coming from mango Mussolini or any other wannabe dictator in the world.

Show me a Brexit voter and I'll show you a person who understands absolutely nothing about anything

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy.

The main benefit continues big time - we are no longer pushed around by the un elected in Brussels long may it continue.

Except instead of having an anchor of an economy of 449 million people we are now buffeted by every headwind coming from mango Mussolini or any other wannabe dictator in the world.

Show me a Brexit voter and I'll show you a person who understands absolutely nothing about anything "

. Your just a very bitter remainder. From my experience your sort are just full of anger and hate. I have no room for either.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy.

The main benefit continues big time - we are no longer pushed around by the un elected in Brussels long may it continue.

Except instead of having an anchor of an economy of 449 million people we are now buffeted by every headwind coming from mango Mussolini or any other wannabe dictator in the world.

Show me a Brexit voter and I'll show you a person who understands absolutely nothing about anything . Your just a very bitter remainder. From my experience your sort are just full of anger and hate. I have no room for either. "

Absolutely!! Facts are bitter medicine to vibes based politics.

It's why populists hate, teachers, judges, lawyers, you know experts

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

You mean you have finally found one benifit of brexit after its cost the country billions.

You must be so happy.

The main benefit continues big time - we are no longer pushed around by the un elected in Brussels long may it continue.

Except instead of having an anchor of an economy of 449 million people we are now buffeted by every headwind coming from mango Mussolini or any other wannabe dictator in the world.

Show me a Brexit voter and I'll show you a person who understands absolutely nothing about anything "

. No anchor when it cost millions of £. Every year just to be part of it. If you check UK current history, this countries industry declined year on year since we first joined the EU. We were sold it on a lie. And the cost has been astronomical. Thankfully we have dropped the shakes now. In charge of our own destiny. Now have a democratic system that we have a say in

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff

It's not 2016 I'm not rerunning these weak arguments.

You won get over it!!

Except project fear is now project here.....

Well done

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By *lue555Man
7 days ago

harrow


"*non British...of course. My bad."

My bad is an American saying try using an English one instead.

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By *aytimeMan
7 days ago

patchway


"Tell that to rest of the world lol. I don't think so. And just diversifying a bit. What about Starmer increasing national insurance for employers by 5%% coupled with an increase in minimum wage for all employers. There's another ten percent effectively a tariff on employers to the government. So let's not pretend TRumps move is any more damaging that our own government or the EU.

Oh, dear, have you just discovered that government taxes business?

The difference is Trump is now taxing all their trade, too.

What's he going to do with all the revenue he now expects to flood into the US Treasury from customs at the US border?

"

From what I can gather, all imports into the UK are charged at 20% VAT so if the Tesla cost $100k you have to pay $120k whereas (previously) an American buying a land rover didn't pay any kind of tax at all. Don't get me wrong I think Trump is the worst thing to happen to the world imaginable but I suppose he is levelling up the playing field

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"It's not 2016 I'm not rerunning these weak arguments.

You won get over it!!

Except project fear is now project here.....

Well done"

. Not ideal what project gear means. You talk constant riddles. Your the one with the aggression sunshine. Not me. One minute your talking about our biggest exports are with the EU lol. Then your telling me we have lost the whole population of the EU pmsl. You just seem to spew out random thoughts.

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By *hades Of GreyMan
7 days ago

Leeds


"Just wait. One of these days someone will get him. Remember Dallas 1963"

Be careful what you wish for, if Trump was eliminated JD Vance would become President!

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By *laireKTV/TS
7 days ago

Manchester

We exported about 100K cars to USA last year.

Our total car exports have dropped by at least 600K in the last decade.

The push to Green will see the mass adoption of Chinese EVs and the demise of bulk European EV manufacture if left unchecked.

Clearly, the government only cares about our car industry when it suits their narrative.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"It's not 2016 I'm not rerunning these weak arguments.

You won get over it!!

Except project fear is now project here.....

Well done. Not ideal what project gear means. You talk constant riddles. Your the one with the aggression sunshine. Not me. One minute your talking about our biggest exports are with the EU lol. Then your telling me we have lost the whole population of the EU pmsl. You just seem to spew out random thoughts. "

Like arguing with deflating balloon.

Geography will always win, it's like gravity.

It's easier to slip to the corner shop even with barriers to make you walk a little further than it is to jump in the car and get milk from the big Tesco's at your nearest town.

So despite Brexit and it's red tape and costs it's still more economically viable to ship goods 12 miles into the EU than it is to export around the globe.

Capiche

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts

Trump is an extremist, world knows that. Shock news, sit back and watch. But one thing he is right about is, He puts USA first. It's the attitude we need to adopt. NOT his methods, but his attitude. We need to stop sucking up to the EU. Stop sucking up to China. Stop sucking up to the USA. Stand Strong, Proud and fair. But put united Kingdom first always. Stop blaming circumstances out of our control for our situation. Positive attitude and Proud of who we are

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff

We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"It's not 2016 I'm not rerunning these weak arguments.

You won get over it!!

Except project fear is now project here.....

Well done. Not ideal what project gear means. You talk constant riddles. Your the one with the aggression sunshine. Not me. One minute your talking about our biggest exports are with the EU lol. Then your telling me we have lost the whole population of the EU pmsl. You just seem to spew out random thoughts.

Like arguing with deflating balloon.

Geography will always win, it's like gravity.

It's easier to slip to the corner shop even with barriers to make you walk a little further than it is to jump in the car and get milk from the big Tesco's at your nearest town.

So despite Brexit and it's red tape and costs it's still more economically viable to ship goods 12 miles into the EU than it is to export around the globe.

Capiche "

. No. You plan your day better. Drive to the supermarket and buy your batteries with your other needs at same time at good price. Planning and good business wins every time. It's about making a profit. Easier is not always the most profitable

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff

If you travel a shorter distance your costs are lower.

That's the point, even with hurdles it's still more economically viable to trade next door than hundreds of miles away.

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries "
. I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"

Like arguing with deflating balloon.

Geography will always win, it's like gravity.

It's easier to slip to the corner shop even with barriers to make you walk a little further than it is to jump in the car and get milk from the big Tesco's at your nearest town.

So despite Brexit and it's red tape and costs it's still more economically viable to ship goods 12 miles into the EU than it is to export around the globe.

Capiche "

This is so true.

Look at any country, and its biggest markets are with its nearest neighbours.

The further away the market is, the higher the shipping costs and the bigger the tariffs usually.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"

From what I can gather, all imports into the UK are charged at 20% VAT so if the Tesla cost $100k you have to pay $120k whereas (previously) an American buying a land rover didn't pay any kind of tax at all. Don't get me wrong I think Trump is the worst thing to happen to the world imaginable but I suppose he is levelling up the playing field "

VAT isn't paid at the border.

VAT is paid at the point of sale - the rate is the same whether a product was made in the UK or the USA.

It is a tax on the consumer, not on the trade.

Tariffs are paid at the border by the importer or exporter, to the government of the country receiving the goods.

Goods can pass from one business to another and no VAT is payable. It is only at the final point of sale to the consumer.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries . I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone. "

Anecdotes are not data

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries . I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone.

Anecdotes are not data "

. There the real world. Real people and real facts. Data are unreliable, varied depending on source, and manipulated to suit. I prefer Honest real facts

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries . I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone.

Anecdotes are not data . There the real world. Real people and real facts. Data are unreliable, varied depending on source, and manipulated to suit. I prefer Honest real facts"

Wowsers!!!

How do the public verify anecdotes?

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

Imagine if policy was made on the basis of anecdotes, rather than hard data and evidence

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By *avewill1Man
7 days ago

wilts


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries . I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone.

Anecdotes are not data . There the real world. Real people and real facts. Data are unreliable, varied depending on source, and manipulated to suit. I prefer Honest real facts

Wowsers!!!

How do the public verify anecdotes?"

. I have no reason to lie about another person's success.. as for public. How does the public verify conflicting data from different sources 😬.. who do you believe? Government? Banks EU, china,Trump?? I prefer reality for my sources. Real people in the real world

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Imagine if policy was made on the basis of anecdotes, rather than hard data and evidence

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Brexit was

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"We are, having free trade means cheap goods, it's good for consumers and countries . I have a friend who runs a business of importing olives into UK and supplying many of the big city hotels, particularly London Manchester and Birmingham. His only suppliers for a high quality product was Greece. Price trebled at time of Brexit, and he was forced to look further afield. Contacted a family established business in Egypt. Travelled there to meet and view product. Warmly welcomed and accomadate for the few days. Equal quality from those at Greece, imported into UK cheaper than the original price pre Brexit. He wished he had looked years earlier. THAT is the dangers of a comfort zone.

Anecdotes are not data . There the real world. Real people and real facts. Data are unreliable, varied depending on source, and manipulated to suit. I prefer Honest real facts

Wowsers!!!

How do the public verify anecdotes?. I have no reason to lie about another person's success.. as for public. How does the public verify conflicting data from different sources 😬.. who do you believe? Government? Banks EU, china,Trump?? I prefer reality for my sources. Real people in the real world"

It's why we have journalism, and no not shock jocks at the daily hail I mean Financial times or the economist or the such like.

It's also why you have a mind, read the data, understand the data, have time to think and settle on a belief

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

If Trump and his fan boys are arguing that VAT paid by UK consumers is an unfair tariff on imports from the USA, then we really are in the realms of Alice in Wonderland.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"Imagine if policy was made on the basis of anecdotes, rather than hard data and evidence

Brexit was"

The only time in history when a Government came up with a policy that it KNEW would make the country worse off

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"Imagine if policy was made on the basis of anecdotes, rather than hard data and evidence

Brexit was

The only time in history when a Government came up with a policy that it KNEW would make the country worse off

"

Vibes based policy

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By *leepflowerMan
7 days ago

Leek

Nice to see that Dave finally acknowledges that the Pork Haystack's Brexit 'deal' was a big steaming pile of shit.

He's also finally acknowledged the existence of Third country status despite screaming hysterically in the past that no such thing existed and that I was lying about it.

All sorts of sudden changes of position going on in Wiltshire this morning. 🤣

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

And then, do you remember the Brexiteers who wanted us to abandon the EU trade agreements and move onto the default WTO trade terms with the whole world?

Every single export and import subject to the standard tariffs in the WTO handbook.

That looked reckless then. It's positively mild compared to what Trump has down now.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff

Look up what Daniel Hannan wrote about Trump 5 years ago and what he wrote recently.

Then look up what he said about Brexit

Talk about a guy on the right side of history

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By *ngel50TV/TS
7 days ago

Kinross


"Think I'd much rather have a good trading partnership with the rest of the EU than with the USA. Let Trump put a 200% tariff on the UK not sure it'd affect me that much. I can live without their crappy cars, bleached chicken and disgusting spirits thankyou very much. "

Are Mercedes benz and BMW crappy?

Many in the UK drive both and I bet you see many Mercedes and bmw every day of life.

As for food, I have enjoyed some of the best steaks, seafood and chicken in America

Plus they have a far greater choice of spirit's than you will ever see in the UK.

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By *ello 1000Man
7 days ago

Lincolnshire


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in . Most of us don't regret Brexit. Just unfortunate our leaving was followed by the gulf war,energy crisis, a global unidentified pandemic and a start of Ukraine war. But apparently all that had no bearing on our economy lol lol"

It actually did

Very difficult or near impossible for us to have prevented the problems you list ,

Whereas our country actually "voted" to be poorer

Listening to the Americans who voted for and still defend Trump does sound akin to those here still defending Brexit

Although to be fair I suppose our goods only being changed at 10% instead of the 20% EU rate is a major Brexit benefit, but surprised it is not been written on the side of a bus

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By *itherneitherTV/TS
7 days ago

Burnham on sea

Tariffs ought be applied to targeted goods for a specific purpose.

To broad brush and tariff nations based upon a trade imbalance and if you like the country or not is oversimplified political grandstanding idiocy.

To use the arguement that ,"It's how we used to do taxation" is frankly ridiculous.

What next ?

Should we reintroduce The Navigation Act, The Corn Laws, and Window Tax ?

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By *itherneitherTV/TS
7 days ago

Burnham on sea

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in . Most of us don't regret Brexit. Just unfortunate our leaving was followed by the gulf war,energy crisis, a global unidentified pandemic and a start of Ukraine war. But apparently all that had no bearing on our economy lol lol

It actually did

Very difficult or near impossible for us to have prevented the problems you list ,

Whereas our country actually "voted" to be poorer

Listening to the Americans who voted for and still defend Trump does sound akin to those here still defending Brexit

Although to be fair I suppose our goods only being changed at 10% instead of the 20% EU rate is a major Brexit benefit, but surprised it is not been written on the side of a bus "

It really isn't.

It's a consolation prize to the kid who lost a 100 meter sprint

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london

I love the way the WEF media have brainwashed you in to thinking it’s bad.

He’s out tax on people that tax them.

Build in America and use American people you won’t pay them.

Wish Starmer would do that here.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"I love the way the WEF media have brainwashed you in to thinking it’s bad.

He’s out tax on people that tax them.

Build in America and use American people you won’t pay them.

Wish Starmer would do that here. "

It doesn't work in a country of 70 million the market is too small when you have 1.4 billion in China, 1.3 billion in India, 450 million in the EU and 350 million in the USA, let alone Brazil and Nigeria, Indonesia.

You need to think your arguments through in the context of the world we live in not the one in your mind.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

I'm wearing a pair of size 10 white jeans. Tu is the label (Sainsburys). Made in Pakistan.

Price Pakistan out the market for imports and force people to buy jeans made in the UK?

Are you ready for strikes in support of pay increases of 50% and 100%

Bonkers!

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I'm wearing a pair of size 10 white jeans. Tu is the label (Sainsburys). Made in Pakistan.

Price Pakistan out the market for imports and force people to buy jeans made in the UK?

Are you ready for strikes in support of pay increases of 50% and 100%

Bonkers!

"

Pay increases of 100%.

Talking of bonkers. You prefer em made in sweat shops by children then

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I love the way the WEF media have brainwashed you in to thinking it’s bad.

He’s out tax on people that tax them.

Build in America and use American people you won’t pay them.

Wish Starmer would do that here.

It doesn't work in a country of 70 million the market is too small when you have 1.4 billion in China, 1.3 billion in India, 450 million in the EU and 350 million in the USA, let alone Brazil and Nigeria, Indonesia.

You need to think your arguments through in the context of the world we live in not the one in your mind."

Nancy pelosi called for it.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"I love the way the WEF media have brainwashed you in to thinking it’s bad.

He’s out tax on people that tax them.

Build in America and use American people you won’t pay them.

Wish Starmer would do that here.

It doesn't work in a country of 70 million the market is too small when you have 1.4 billion in China, 1.3 billion in India, 450 million in the EU and 350 million in the USA, let alone Brazil and Nigeria, Indonesia.

You need to think your arguments through in the context of the world we live in not the one in your mind.

Nancy pelosi called for it. "

Called for what?

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By *itherneitherTV/TS
7 days ago

Burnham on sea

Imagine having to cost and price a product now.

A prawn sandwich, is a lot simpler than say, a motor vehicle.

Prawns from Thailand.

Mayo from USA

Bread made with Canadian wheat.

Garnish from EU.

A Car assembled in USA will have components from around the world, those components too will have copnents and materials from across the globe.

It's a complex econ-system, that is now going to be disrupted.

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By *ammy57Man
7 days ago

Stevenage

The great problem of socialism is that if all workers are paid equally, we'd have to live on a tenner a month.

There aren't enough resources in the world for everyone to have a new washing machine let alone one they change every five years.

The neoliberal policies of last thirty years were designed to make the elite much richer and more powerful, but the side effect was to rebalance workers income globally after the second world war.

Socialism is the way ahead but it needs strong govt to counter capitalist hegemony and subversion.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"I'm wearing a pair of size 10 white jeans. Tu is the label (Sainsburys). Made in Pakistan.

Price Pakistan out the market for imports and force people to buy jeans made in the UK?

Are you ready for strikes in support of pay increases of 50% and 100%

Bonkers!

Pay increases of 100%.

Talking of bonkers. You prefer em made in sweat shops by children then"

Why do you think Sainsburys outsources its manufacturing to Pakistan?

The cost here may be 10X higher.

Are you willing to pay 10x more for your goods, because your ideology says "Buy British only"?

Now, the person in the garment factory may be earning a 1/10th of what the equivalent person here might be earning.

But they are still earning 3x more than they would be if they were still working the land.

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By *ames canMan
7 days ago

monaghan


"He's a dead man walking he's out his mind only god nose why the Americans voted him back in.

And with a massive vote too. Just incredulous I think how easily the Americans are hoodwinked. Mind you Biden shouldn't have stood in the first place.

Who cares, I'm alright as are most in UK "

...weren't you the guy "investing " in dollars a while back on your old account?

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By *laireKTV/TS
7 days ago

Manchester


"I'm wearing a pair of size 10 white jeans. Tu is the label (Sainsburys). Made in Pakistan.

Price Pakistan out the market for imports and force people to buy jeans made in the UK?

Are you ready for strikes in support of pay increases of 50% and 100%

Bonkers!

"

Our uni had a robot capable of making those jeans or shirts, from cutting bed to sewing.

It was faster and more reliable than a human.

This was decades ago.

That's the only future route to becoming competitive once more.

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By *lapin1234Man
7 days ago

Lincoln

I hope Reform supporters are having second thoughts. All this shite is from the same rotten tree.

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I love the way the WEF media have brainwashed you in to thinking it’s bad.

He’s out tax on people that tax them.

Build in America and use American people you won’t pay them.

Wish Starmer would do that here.

It doesn't work in a country of 70 million the market is too small when you have 1.4 billion in China, 1.3 billion in India, 450 million in the EU and 350 million in the USA, let alone Brazil and Nigeria, Indonesia.

You need to think your arguments through in the context of the world we live in not the one in your mind.

Nancy pelosi called for it.

Called for what?"

Tariffs

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

The only country I can think of that manufactures everything it needs is North Korea.

Korea peninsula is fascinating.

A genetically homogenous population that has lived under 2 very different systems for 70+ years.

One free-market and capitalist.

The other controlled entirely by the state.

The outcomes are starkly different.

Look at the average, weight, height, life expectancy and mortality rates for the 2 populations.

The difference ought to scare the shit out of those who believe in isolation from the free market.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff

I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it "

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF.

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF. "

WEF claxon - tell me you thoughts on vaccines

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF.

WEF claxon - tell me you thoughts on vaccines "

I trialled one. Did you. .

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF.

WEF claxon - tell me you thoughts on vaccines

I trialled one. Did you. . "

Absolutely!! Had the lot.

Globalisation has helped raise millions out of poverty and provided cheaper goods at home while maintaining cordiality between countries.

So if I'm a globalist, WEF puppet then opps my mask is off

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By *edbath 6Man
7 days ago

london


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF.

WEF claxon - tell me you thoughts on vaccines

I trialled one. Did you. .

Absolutely!! Had the lot.

Globalisation has helped raise millions out of poverty and provided cheaper goods at home while maintaining cordiality between countries.

So if I'm a globalist, WEF puppet then opps my mask is off "

Cheaper goods made by Asians that ain’t adult people. You love it right.

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF. "

OMG, here comes the conspiracy theory.

What is your alternative to free markets, then?

North Korea?

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By *hubsloverMan
7 days ago

East/west sussex

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By *hubsloverMan
7 days ago

East/west sussex

So in future a Chinese screwdriver on Amazon for american people is 20 Dollars for us is one pound?

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By *etterbiggerMan
7 days ago

Scunthorpe


"So in future a Chinese screwdriver on Amazon for american people is 20 Dollars for us is one pound? "

It won't be made with British steel will it. Now that the Chinese are closing Scunthorpe steel works

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By *igDickEnergyMan
7 days ago

cardiff


"I'm old enough to remember that the argument for Brexit was free markets and being nimble.

Now it's a nationalistic protection racket.

Always arguing to make the people poorer though while Uncle Nige and grift keeps coining it

Grifting. Jesus Christ. You seem another one played by the globalist and the WEF.

WEF claxon - tell me you thoughts on vaccines

I trialled one. Did you. .

Absolutely!! Had the lot.

Globalisation has helped raise millions out of poverty and provided cheaper goods at home while maintaining cordiality between countries.

So if I'm a globalist, WEF puppet then opps my mask is off

Cheaper goods made by Asians that ain’t adult people. You love it right. "

Do I like the freedom to choose? Yes

It's up to businesses and business leaders to be responsible for staffing

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

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By *ara JevoTV/TS
7 days ago

Bristol East

The people expressing compassion for Asians and their workplace conditions, are they the same people who think Asians should be shot on sight when they arrive on our beaches?

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By *ingsandthongsMan
7 days ago

Reading


"The EU remainer fools aren't so lippy today

,, time to stop regretting Brexit , time to start begging the EU to let us back in . Most of us don't regret Brexit. Just unfortunate our leaving was followed by the gulf war,energy crisis, a global unidentified pandemic and a start of Ukraine war. But apparently all that had no bearing on our economy lol lol"

The UK economy is £140 billion smaller thanks to Brexit. We're net paying £19 billion a year in 'reparations' before anything else it taken into account.

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