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"Should have their own category by now. A lot of them seem to have been in the sport previously as an also ran. They then transition and are among the top 10, something wrong with that. " Seems a rather drastic thing to do just to win a game of something. Do sports people like fencers earn much money?? | |||
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"Should have their own category by now. A lot of them seem to have been in the sport previously as an also ran. They then transition and are among the top 10, something wrong with that. " A lot of them, like theirs a "a lot" of trans people, let alone "a lot" that compete in sports. It's a tricky issue, because some women will be stronger than some men, however, being born with XY chromosomes most people will have greater lung capacity and muscle density. So no a person born XY should not compete a person born xx i | |||
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"What is a female Denver?" The city of Denver, USA. Fencing is not reliant on strength, I would say man and Woman has an equal chane. | |||
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"No-one sitting on the fence, then? " I think the fence disappeared up Keir Starmer's bottom. | |||
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"Should have their own category by now. A lot of them seem to have been in the sport previously as an also ran. They then transition and are among the top 10, something wrong with that. " Exactly. The way the militant T's rattle on in the mythical LGBT++++ community about 50% of the population must be trans. So surely they could organise their own sporting events/games. In all seriousness though I think the lady is in her right and should not have been disqualified. In some sports men and women cannot compete on equal terms. However much hormone therapy and surgery a transwoman may have had she still has a male body. | |||
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"No-one sitting on the fence, then? I think the fence disappeared up Keir Starmer's bottom." How has a social issue now become a political issue? Be decent, be kind, trans people exist! Should they always compete as the sex they believe to be? In most sports probably not. However, singing? | |||
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"What is a female Denver?" A female fencer... In the context of the story, it's an obvious 'autocorrect' error. | |||
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"There are only two genders. End of. Identify how you wish, but the basics cannot be changed." Surely this is GCSE biology xx or xy is immutable. Their are other rare variation. You can feel, you can believe, you can chop and change but you're chromosomes don't change | |||
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"No-one sitting on the fence, then? I think the fence disappeared up Keir Starmer's bottom. How has a social issue now become a political issue? Be decent, be kind, trans people exist! Should they always compete as the sex they believe to be? In most sports probably not. However, singing?" I think the reference was meant as a joke. It is a well known fact amongst non-Starmer acolytes that Sir Keir---or should that be Dame Keira---is notorious for sitting on the fence.  | |||
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"No-one sitting on the fence, then? I think the fence disappeared up Keir Starmer's bottom. How has a social issue now become a political issue? Be decent, be kind, trans people exist! Should they always compete as the sex they believe to be? In most sports probably not. However, singing? I think the reference was meant as a joke. It is a well known fact amongst non-Starmer acolytes that Sir Keir---or should that be Dame Keira---is notorious for sitting on the fence. "Or taking a breath, reading the data, understanding the data and coming up with a policy. Very different to your reactionary leader, who seems to believe in freedom of speech and banning people from countries for .... speech | |||
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"Yes, it is. A person's sexuality is wrapped up in a person's identity. A person may believe they are of a sex non assigned at birth and feel attracted to the same sex or not. And it will be different for each individual " That is really sweet ! However, sweet but nothing more. | |||
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"Yes, it is. A person's sexuality is wrapped up in a person's identity. A person may believe they are of a sex non assigned at birth and feel attracted to the same sex or not. And it will be different for each individual That is really sweet ! However, sweet but nothing more. " Reality doesn't care about sweet | |||
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"Yes, it is. A person's sexuality is wrapped up in a person's identity. A person may believe they are of a sex non assigned at birth and feel attracted to the same sex or not. And it will be different for each individual That is really sweet ! However, sweet but nothing more. " I’m not sure sweet is the word, sir. I think it’s profoundly destabilising. There always has to be a sense of rules and codes into which everything and everyone can fit otherwise chaos and uncertainty ensues. If you start to give the impression people can simply make up their own rules and each person can identify at whim you end up with the current farrago in which we find ourselves. | |||
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"It's their sex that's the issue here, not their sexuality." XX or XY it's immutable, this isn't an argument, we go back to that report that the government spent tax payers money to say what all GCSE biology students know, XY and XX can't be changed. Sexuality is wrapped up in identity, and if a person identifies as the sex not assigned at birth it complicates sexuality. However, XY or XX doesn't change | |||
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"Their sexuality is irrelevant to whether someone born male should compete in events reserved for females. Sex is not assigned at birth. It is discovered at birth. Sex is assigned about week 7 or 8 of gestation." Lol - weak, not all potential parents want to know and not all foetuses make it full term | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying..." They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine | |||
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"It's their sex that's the issue here, not their sexuality." I say, if you change your sex and it works for you that's great ! But don't just cherry pick. Just having a vagina alone will not make anyone a woman. Be a mother. Give birth. Raise your children with love. Cook them a home made meal every day, play with them and guide them through life. That's what makes a person a real woman. Not their genital. | |||
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"It is part of the Alice in Wonderland narrative constructed by the trans activists, that your sex is arbitrarily determined by some stranger in a labour room. " No your born a sex - male or female, XX or XY You can then choose your social gender how you present to the world - man or woman. That's up to the individual at a time they choose if they choose. But XX and XY can't change | |||
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" … Be decent, be kind, trans people exist! Should they always compete as the sex they believe to be? In most sports probably not. However, singing? … " Exactly which physical sports do you think it would be acceptable for physically male competitors to compete against female…? And why?! We’re not talking about things like snooker or darts where there is no argument about women and men playing a match against each other as no physical advantage of testosterone or physiognomy benefits the males. Indeed in these examples it has been about allowing women to gain more access to compete. Not taking places from women. Why should a woman singer have to deal with a male singer muscling (sic) in on a competition which was dedicated to females? How does that help anyone? | |||
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"It's their sex that's the issue here, not their sexuality. I say, if you change your sex and it works for you that's great ! But don't just cherry pick. Just having a vagina alone will not make anyone a woman. Be a mother. Give birth. Raise your children with love. Cook them a home made meal every day, play with them and guide them through life. That's what makes a person a real woman. Not their genital." So women born with XX and choose not to follow your trad wife existence aren't "real women"? | |||
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"Yes, your sex is immutable. It is set for life about week 7 or 8 of gestation. It is possible with modern science to feminise and masculinise people with gender dysphoria. But it is not possible to change the fundamental building blocks of your sex." Finally - agreed | |||
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"Let's make this very simple. We all come from 'mummy and daddy ' right ? So what happens when 'mummy and daddy ' dissappear? Humanity will dissappear. It's already happening. Transgenderism is the precursor of Transhumanism. Enjoy your robots " No one's disappearing anyone Trans people have always existed, same as homosexuality and still the homosapien has evolve Deeply weird commey | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine " I have read the last sentence about 20 times now. I have no idea what you think the argument you are presenting is. This is just flailing about ‘wanting to be supportive’. | |||
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"That said, in order to relieve the distress experienced by trans people, we have created a legal fiction whereby someone can be issued with a new birth certificate asserting they were born of the opposite sex. Their true birth certificate is erased. " Really? If it makes someone happy to have a piece of paper changed? What matters more is that people who were born male or female get tested for the problems each sex has as being XY or XX | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine I have read the last sentence about 20 times now. I have no idea what you think the argument you are presenting is. This is just flailing about ‘wanting to be supportive’." Interconnectivity of life not your strong point? Don't worry your amongst friends on this site | |||
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"Let's make this very simple. We all come from 'mummy and daddy ' right ? So what happens when 'mummy and daddy ' dissappear? Humanity will dissappear. It's already happening. Transgenderism is the precursor of Transhumanism. Enjoy your robots No one's disappearing anyone Trans people have always existed, same as homosexuality and still the homosapien has evolve Deeply weird commey" True, but not sure if you've noticed that times have changed slightly since 😅 | |||
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"Let's make this very simple. We all come from 'mummy and daddy ' right ? So what happens when 'mummy and daddy ' dissappear? Humanity will dissappear. It's already happening. Transgenderism is the precursor of Transhumanism. Enjoy your robots No one's disappearing anyone Trans people have always existed, same as homosexuality and still the homosapien has evolve Deeply weird commey True, but not sure if you've noticed that times have changed slightly since 😅" Since what? Yesterday? We left Africa? | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine I have read the last sentence about 20 times now. I have no idea what you think the argument you are presenting is. This is just flailing about ‘wanting to be supportive’. Interconnectivity of life not your strong point? Don't worry your amongst friends on this site " That’s all you can ever do here: make silly ad hominem attacks if you are ever pressed to explain your arguments. What has the “interconnectivity of life” (a totally nebulous concept, but doesn’t it sound grand) got to do with the proper policing of sports categorised into biological sex by the biological sex if the competitor..? | |||
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"That said, in order to relieve the distress experienced by trans people, we have created a legal fiction whereby someone can be issued with a new birth certificate asserting they were born of the opposite sex. Their true birth certificate is erased. Really? If it makes someone happy to have a piece of paper changed? What matters more is that people who were born male or female get tested for the problems each sex has as being XY or XX" The left eating itself. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here." Which group are you in?  | |||
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"Are there any examples of previous wonen entering the male side of sport?" Professional LPGA Champion Golfer Annika Sorenstam was allowed to compete in men's USPGA Events and although massively powerful she could not keep up with even average PGA Tour Golfers and withdrew herself.... | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here." Can you ‘explain your working’…? | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine I have read the last sentence about 20 times now. I have no idea what you think the argument you are presenting is. This is just flailing about ‘wanting to be supportive’. Interconnectivity of life not your strong point? Don't worry your amongst friends on this site That’s all you can ever do here: make silly ad hominem attacks if you are ever pressed to explain your arguments. What has the “interconnectivity of life” (a totally nebulous concept, but doesn’t it sound grand) got to do with the proper policing of sports categorised into biological sex by the biological sex if the competitor..? " Interconnectivity of life isn't nebulous it's very specific life in all its forms connect. Are you AI? | |||
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"That said, in order to relieve the distress experienced by trans people, we have created a legal fiction whereby someone can be issued with a new birth certificate asserting they were born of the opposite sex. Their true birth certificate is erased. Really? If it makes someone happy to have a piece of paper changed? What matters more is that people who were born male or female get tested for the problems each sex has as being XY or XX The left eating itself. " Bigger problems with Kemi and Nige though | |||
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"Are there any examples of previous wonen entering the male side of sport? Professional LPGA Champion Golfer Annika Sorenstam was allowed to compete in men's USPGA Events and although massively powerful she could not keep up with even average PGA Tour Golfers and withdrew herself...." It’s almost as if males and females have different physiognomies, different musculature, different hormonal catalysts, and different strengths… It’s a way out wacky idea, I know. Maybe one day it will catch on. | |||
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"Are there any examples of previous wonen entering the male side of sport? Professional LPGA Champion Golfer Annika Sorenstam was allowed to compete in men's USPGA Events and although massively powerful she could not keep up with even average PGA Tour Golfers and withdrew herself.... It’s almost as if males and females have different physiognomies, different musculature, different hormonal catalysts, and different strengths… It’s a way out wacky idea, I know. Maybe one day it will catch on. " Who's denying this? | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine I have read the last sentence about 20 times now. I have no idea what you think the argument you are presenting is. This is just flailing about ‘wanting to be supportive’. Interconnectivity of life not your strong point? Don't worry your amongst friends on this site That’s all you can ever do here: make silly ad hominem attacks if you are ever pressed to explain your arguments. What has the “interconnectivity of life” (a totally nebulous concept, but doesn’t it sound grand) got to do with the proper policing of sports categorised into biological sex by the biological sex if the competitor..? Interconnectivity of life isn't nebulous it's very specific life in all its forms connect. Are you AI?" Shall we play the rest of your contributions to this thread like “Just A Minute”..?! *buzzer* Repetition! | |||
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"That said, in order to relieve the distress experienced by trans people, we have created a legal fiction whereby someone can be issued with a new birth certificate asserting they were born of the opposite sex. Their true birth certificate is erased. Really? If it makes someone happy to have a piece of paper changed? What matters more is that people who were born male or female get tested for the problems each sex has as being XY or XX The left eating itself. Bigger problems with Kemi and Nige though " *buzzer* Deviation! | |||
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"That said, in order to relieve the distress experienced by trans people, we have created a legal fiction whereby someone can be issued with a new birth certificate asserting they were born of the opposite sex. Their true birth certificate is erased. Really? If it makes someone happy to have a piece of paper changed? What matters more is that people who were born male or female get tested for the problems each sex has as being XY or XX The left eating itself. Bigger problems with Kemi and Nige though *buzzer* Deviation! " Conversation babe, try it | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? " Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic." Just me or .....weird from a bunch of cock suckers??? | |||
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"Problem is you get guys who are shit in their own leagues in their sports. They transition join the women's leagues and suddenly they're top of the tables. Like the body builder who walked in said he was trans then smashed all the records just to prove the point. It's unfair on actual women. My suggestion is a league for everyone who wants in. They fully aware the they're competing against males females trans cats horses or self identifying household appliances lmao. " You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic." Can you point to the transphobia? Can you point to the right wingery? Can you point to Tommy Robinson whom you mentioned earlier? Can you point to the Christian family values rhetoric? Can you point to where anyone has introduced the indoctrination of children as a theme? | |||
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" You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme " It's not a moral panic. Women are more than 50% of the population. That's not a small percentage. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic. Can you point to the transphobia? Can you point to the right wingery? Can you point to Tommy Robinson whom you mentioned earlier? Can you point to the Christian family values rhetoric? Can you point to where anyone has introduced the indoctrination of children as a theme? " Can you AI? | |||
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" You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme It's not a moral panic. Women are more than 50% of the population. That's not a small percentage. " And yet, they're treated as and considered as a minority because...... | |||
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"Problem is you get guys who are shit in their own leagues in their sports. They transition join the women's leagues and suddenly they're top of the tables. Like the body builder who walked in said he was trans then smashed all the records just to prove the point. It's unfair on actual women. My suggestion is a league for everyone who wants in. They fully aware the they're competing against males females trans cats horses or self identifying household appliances lmao. You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme " I believe everyone has right to live as they see fit but not the right to force your own beliefs on everyone. You wanna shave your head and be a lamp at home that's fine lol just don't expect people to plug you in lol. Like religion it's personal choice just gotta remember everybody gets a choice and if you wanted t to be classed as equals it's a given you gotta pay fair lol | |||
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" You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme It's not a moral panic. Women are more than 50% of the population. That's not a small percentage. " Trans people are 0.5% of the population. But if you will read my posts incorrectly | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic." The objective reality of biology isn't phobic, politically right-wing or christian. | |||
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"Problem is you get guys who are shit in their own leagues in their sports. They transition join the women's leagues and suddenly they're top of the tables. Like the body builder who walked in said he was trans then smashed all the records just to prove the point. It's unfair on actual women. My suggestion is a league for everyone who wants in. They fully aware the they're competing against males females trans cats horses or self identifying household appliances lmao. You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme I believe everyone has right to live as they see fit but not the right to force your own beliefs on everyone. You wanna shave your head and be a lamp at home that's fine lol just don't expect people to plug you in lol. Like religion it's personal choice just gotta remember everybody gets a choice and if you wanted t to be classed as equals it's a given you gotta pay fair lol" And what do you think a trans person wants? Do you see many articles written by trans people telling you how to think? Or do you swallow what's given to you by the people who sound like you and look like you? | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic. The objective reality of biology isn't phobic, politically right-wing or christian. " No one is saying that. Your clearly looking for an argument. Sad | |||
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" You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme It's not a moral panic. Women are more than 50% of the population. That's not a small percentage. Trans people are 0.5% of the population. But if you will read my posts incorrectly " Your post implies that you are happy to dismiss the hard-won rights of women, their safety and privacy as a moral panic, to be dismissed for the sake of a tiny minority. | |||
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" You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme It's not a moral panic. Women are more than 50% of the population. That's not a small percentage. Trans people are 0.5% of the population. But if you will read my posts incorrectly Your post implies that you are happy to dismiss the hard-won rights of women, their safety and privacy as a moral panic, to be dismissed for the sake of a tiny minority." That's how you choose to read it. Because of your slant! | |||
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"We are here again A female Denver politely refusing to fence a trans in competition She boldly stated she was a woman competing in a woman’s sport and would not fence a man So she was disqualified I personally think it stinks Trans have grown as a male with male skeleton and muscular development, women do not have that advantage It really does need to stop " I completely agree with the fencer's decision to refuse competing against a trans athlete. The issue here is about fairness and equal opportunity in women's sports. Biological males, even those who identify as female, generally possess physical advantages due to their skeletal structure, muscle mass, and hormone levels. These advantages can significantly impact competition outcomes. However, to put it more simply, it's about ensuring fairness in women's sports. Perhaps it's time to revisit and refine policies regarding trans athletes in women's sports to address these concerns and ensure all athletes have an equal chance to compete. | |||
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"We are here again A female Denver politely refusing to fence a trans in competition She boldly stated she was a woman competing in a woman’s sport and would not fence a man So she was disqualified I personally think it stinks Trans have grown as a male with male skeleton and muscular development, women do not have that advantage It really does need to stop " Agree 100pc, rediculous | |||
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"We are here again A female Denver politely refusing to fence a trans in competition She boldly stated she was a woman competing in a woman’s sport and would not fence a man So she was disqualified I personally think it stinks Trans have grown as a male with male skeleton and muscular development, women do not have that advantage It really does need to stop I completely agree with the fencer's decision to refuse competing against a trans athlete. The issue here is about fairness and equal opportunity in women's sports. Biological males, even those who identify as female, generally possess physical advantages due to their skeletal structure, muscle mass, and hormone levels. These advantages can significantly impact competition outcomes. However, to put it more simply, it's about ensuring fairness in women's sports. Perhaps it's time to revisit and refine policies regarding trans athletes in women's sports to address these concerns and ensure all athletes have an equal chance to compete. " It's so rare it's hardly worth the cost | |||
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"Problem is you get guys who are shit in their own leagues in their sports. They transition join the women's leagues and suddenly they're top of the tables. Like the body builder who walked in said he was trans then smashed all the records just to prove the point. It's unfair on actual women. My suggestion is a league for everyone who wants in. They fully aware the they're competing against males females trans cats horses or self identifying household appliances lmao. You have one. This moral panic for such a small percentage of the population is an overreacting in it's extreme I believe everyone has right to live as they see fit but not the right to force your own beliefs on everyone. You wanna shave your head and be a lamp at home that's fine lol just don't expect people to plug you in lol. Like religion it's personal choice just gotta remember everybody gets a choice and if you wanted t to be classed as equals it's a given you gotta pay fair lol And what do you think a trans person wants? Do you see many articles written by trans people telling you how to think? Or do you swallow what's given to you by the people who sound like you and look like you?" I am a parent to a 23 year old trans son whom I love and support very much. I believe safety and the to life your life as you see fit is a birth right and not given for every one. No exceptions. So to address your points. When I want a trans opinion on anything and often when I don't it am able to get it via the door in my hall way lol and often get a magazine thrust at my face leading to an discussion on someone rear looks in a pair of shorts or left cluttered on my living room floor but that not gonna change lol and if I videoed my hallway when the whole swarm of friends depart my house on Friday night you'd wet yourself watching them come home. So no I'm not a trans phobic and I mean no offense to any one | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic. Can you point to the transphobia? Can you point to the right wingery? Can you point to Tommy Robinson whom you mentioned earlier? Can you point to the Christian family values rhetoric? Can you point to where anyone has introduced the indoctrination of children as a theme? Can you AI?" Is this your new ‘thing’…? Every time you are asked to justify assertions you have made, you retort the other person is ‘AI’..? It’s a somewhat niche deflection strategy… | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic. Can you point to the transphobia? Can you point to the right wingery? Can you point to Tommy Robinson whom you mentioned earlier? Can you point to the Christian family values rhetoric? Can you point to where anyone has introduced the indoctrination of children as a theme? Can you AI? Is this your new ‘thing’…? Every time you are asked to justify assertions you have made, you retort the other person is ‘AI’..? It’s a somewhat niche deflection strategy… " Definitely AI they weren't my assertions | |||
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"Sexuality, Sexes and Gender are different things - just saying... They are, but it's like saying water, biodiversity and the planet are different, they are but they also overlap and intertwine The Deepak Chopra of Fabguys. "I forget, oil, tuften street and dinosaurs - very separate and different | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic." Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them." Doing so well until *these* people | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctinating children" or some other moral panic." Not buying into the ideology of trans activists, or exposing their inherent contradictions, does not equate to "phobia" - an irrational fear of trans people. By doing so, you simply sink deeper into the perpetual victim loop mentality of trans activists. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them." We all have to accept that there are limitations in all aspects of life that may prevent us from engaging or competing at something. It’s called tough shit. Some people need to grow up and stop expecting the world to accomodate their demands. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. Doing so well until *these* people" How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking." Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain " As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad. | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people" Do you prefer they/them? | |||
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"What is a female Denver?" Think he means diva | |||
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" As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad." Indeed, yet another case where minor details are being pettily scrutinised, a pattern that seems to energise them and spark controversy, which they're clearly drawn to and possibly thrive on! 😅 | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain " (Is distain like disdain but sweatier..?) The great guru of moral authority has decreed that demonstrative adjectives are now transphobic tabu. The whole point of demonstratives ie this/that/these/those is that they indicate clearly whom you are talking about. They contain no tone, no judgment, no implication, no agenda. But all language is now policed in our Orwellian future by 4th rate social warriors such as this. And they really think they are above everyone else. | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. We all have to accept that there are limitations in all aspects of life that may prevent us from engaging or competing at something. It’s called tough shit. Some people need to grow up and stop expecting the world to accomodate their demands. " This - i wouldn't expect a bloke down the road to become a wet nurse or a blind woman to be driving a bus | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs... ...these people have to accept their condition restricts them. Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain " You shouldn't assume a negative connotation, where the context does not imply that one exists. | |||
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" … Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain You shouldn't assume a negative connotation, where the context does not imply that one exists... " That’s the whole point of introducing the implication of the negative connotation. It allows him to rage about something to cover the utter paucity of any actual argument. | |||
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"I think you are all just being very silly " Hello. Thank you for your first contribution to this thread. Who is being silly? Why are they being silly? Do you think the subjects raised in this thread (males competing against females, the safeguarding of women, freedom of expression, etc) are silly ones? | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad." For the sake of political correctness I am not sure that you should be using a term like 'trans people' What if, as well as being trans they identify as a cat or a lawnmower or a toast rack? | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad. For the sake of political correctness I am not sure that you should be using a term like 'trans people' What if, as well as being trans they identify as a cat or a lawnmower or a toast rack? "That old trope - | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad. For the sake of political correctness I am not sure that you should be using a term like 'trans people' What if, as well as being trans they identify as a cat or a lawnmower or a toast rack?
That old trope - "It's not a trope. A trope is a metaphor. | |||
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" Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. We all have to accept that there are limitations in all aspects of life that may prevent us from engaging or competing at something. It’s called tough shit. Some people need to grow up and stop expecting the world to accommodate their demands. This - i wouldn't expect a bloke down the road to become a wet nurse or a blind woman to be driving a bus" Some common sense at last. Many years ago, whilst in the army, I fancied having a go at being a pilot. Got turned down because I am slightly blue-green colour blind and my eyesight in general was not up to standard. I just had to accept it and move on. | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad. For the sake of political correctness I am not sure that you should be using a term like 'trans people' What if, as well as being trans they identify as a cat or a lawnmower or a toast rack?
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It's not a trope. A trope is a metaphor. "It is it's figuratively untrue. People who have gender dysphoria don't also identify as cats, or lawnmower or toast racks. They exist they deserve our love and respect. Should they compete as the chosen sex where the biological sex gives them a greater advantage, no. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk | |||
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" Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain As I say nit-picking for the sake of it. Political correctness gone mad. For the sake of political correctness I am not sure that you should be using a term like 'trans people' What if, as well as being trans they identify as a cat or a lawnmower or a toast rack?
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It's not a trope. A trope is a metaphor.
It is it's figuratively untrue. People who have gender dysphoria don't also identify as cats, or lawnmower or toast racks.
They exist they deserve our love and respect.
Should they compete as the chosen sex where the biological sex gives them a greater advantage, no.
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" … Thanks for coming to my Ted talk… " Are you now LittleTedEnergy..? What happens if Little Ted wants to identify as Hamble…? | |||
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" Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. We all have to accept that there are limitations in all aspects of life that may prevent us from engaging or competing at something. It’s called tough shit. Some people need to grow up and stop expecting the world to accommodate their demands. This - i wouldn't expect a bloke down the road to become a wet nurse or a blind woman to be driving a bus Some common sense at last. Many years ago, whilst in the army, I fancied having a go at being a pilot. Got turned down because I am slightly blue-green colour blind and my eyesight in general was not up to standard. I just had to accept it and move on." Was the problem because Blue is the sky and Green is the ground? | |||
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"I fully support anyone that feels the need to transition, however there are certain biological absolutes that must be ackowledged. If you spent your puberty as a male then transition no amount of makeup will change the fact you are built differently to other women. Correct but women need to stick together and say no we won't compete against men I'm five and a half foot, i could never be a professional baskball player even if i wanted to. I think trans people need to recognise their unatural advantage and accept that it is not fair. " | |||
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"Looks like a meeting of TERFs, Reform and Tommy Robinson supporters here. Can you ‘explain your working’…? Just seeing the usual transphobic, right wing, Xtian family values rhetoric we see every day. It's always public toilets, or sport, or "indoctrinating children" or some other moral panic. Don't think anyone on here is actually being transphobic. Just pointing out a few practicalities. Politics got mentioned as a joke but otherwise the the contributors of this thread seem to come from all sides of the political spectrum. Religion and family values are not relevant here and nor is Tommy Robinson unless he is now claiming to be Tamara Robinson and demanding to be transferred to a women's prison. Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain things are concerned. Physical, gender oriented sports being one of them. I specific trans events are organised and become the norm then fine. Otherwise these people have to accept their condition restricts them. Doing so well until *these* people How else was I supposed to describe them? I was certainly NOT being derogatory. Any group can be described as 'these people'. Talk about nit-picking. Trans people, transexuals...*these* people is derogatory it has an air of distain " It’s not derogatory. If you understood english you might actually follow the meaning. It’s very easy to make nonsense statements out of ignorance. | |||
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"What is a female Denver? A female fencer... In the context of the story, it's an obvious 'autocorrect' error." Thanks for the support | |||
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"It's their sex that's the issue here, not their sexuality." Yes it’s the physicality Skeletal and musculature | |||
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" Being trans probably does leave you in limbo where certain areas. This - I wouldn't expect a bloke down the road to become a wet nurse or a blind woman to be driving a bus Some common sense at last. Many years ago, whilst in the army, I fancied having a go at being a pilot. Got turned down because I am slightly blue-green colour blind and my eyesight in general was not up to standard. I just had to accept it and move on. Was the problem because Blue is the sky and Green is the ground?" In that case I would have been okay as a winter pilot when the sky is grey and the fields are brown | |||
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"Excuse my naivety here, however if said female fencer choose to face her transgendered opponent and won wouldn't that make her more skilled then her? Maybe it's not about what gender someone is but how hard someone has trained in their field to beat their opponent." Why is the sport segregated by sex in the first place? | |||
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"Excuse my naivety here, however if said female fencer choose to face her transgendered opponent and won wouldn't that make her more skilled then her? Maybe it's not about what gender someone is but how hard someone has trained in their field to beat their opponent." Maybe it's about having the courage to stand up for what is right and fair. Maybe it's about an unwillingness to stand by and watch as 100 years of hard-fought-for women's rights are thrown away. | |||
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"Surely Fencing is more a sport of dexterity technique and accuracy, It shouldnt be divided by gender ?" So if segregation was removed, you'd expect competition to yield a 50/50 ratio of male and female winners? | |||
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"Excuse my naivety here, however if said female fencer choose to face her transgendered opponent and won wouldn't that make her more skilled then her? Maybe it's not about what gender someone is but how hard someone has trained in their field to beat their opponent. Why is the sport segregated by sex in the first place?" A very good question indeed. | |||
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"Surely Fencing is more a sport of dexterity technique and accuracy, It shouldnt be divided by gender ? So if segregation was removed, you'd expect competition to yield a 50/50 ratio of male and female winners? " Stop it with all this cool, logical analysis of the subject, Sara… We need EMOTION EMOTION EMOTION… | |||
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"Xx female, xy male simple . The boxer 6footer that won a gold suppose that was a even fight. Lol. Do love a tgirl or trans girl for fun drinks and sex. Sports wise girls vers girls, guys vers guys " ...she was a female...? | |||
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"We are here again A female Denver politely refusing to fence a trans in competition She boldly stated she was a woman competing in a woman’s sport and would not fence a man So she was disqualified I personally think it stinks Trans have grown as a male with male skeleton and muscular development, women do not have that advantage It really does need to stop " Totally agree with you, trans athletes should not be competing in women's sports. The world has gone mad. Trans athletes that have gone through male puberty have a massive advantage. | |||
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"I have also read that the trans opponent went on to finish in 24th place in the tournament " Point??? You just seem like a twat | |||
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"There's an update on this : Fencing isn't segregated by sex. Categories can be by age, skill level, mens, women's or mixed. The fencer who refused to fence a trans fencer for safety reasons, fenced against men in a mixed tournament the week before. And after her refusal to compete with a trans opponent, was given a $5000 award by an anti trans lobby group afterwards. " How exciting | |||
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"There's an update on this : Fencing isn't segregated by sex. Categories can be by age, skill level, mens, women's or mixed. The fencer who refused to fence a trans fencer for safety reasons, fenced against men in a mixed tournament the week before. And after her refusal to compete with a trans opponent, was given a $5000 award by an anti trans lobby group afterwards. " "Fencing isn't segregated by sex. Categories can be by age, skill level, mens, women's or mixed." Apart from major tournaments, attended by the very top fencers, where it always IS segregated by sex. What was the status of the tournament the week before and the world rankings of the men she fenced that week? Contrast this with the status of the tournament where the trans opponent was competing and the world rankings of the men in their sex competition. Comparing apples and cherries. | |||
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