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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland??" Jobs at any price? We will have to see. | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant " A country that can’t refine oil can’t defend itself either. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? Jobs at any price? We will have to see. " It's not at any price, it's keeping hard working guys in work, giving them pride,letting them provide for family and giving them a reason to get up in the morning. Think, seriously about the money squandered on shit by governments (like HS2, like housing immigrants, like a hundred other "projects" . Ffs Socialist Government???? | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant A country that can’t refine oil can’t defend itself either." What's your point? Who's closing oil refineries? Oil isn't owned by the government it's floated on the market and bought by the highest bidder no matter where it's found. We also have enough oil in barrels to last humanity but if we switch off the taps it becomes a luxury product. Your comparing apples with melons | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant A country that can’t refine oil can’t defend itself either. What's your point? Who's closing oil refineries? Oil isn't owned by the government it's floated on the market and bought by the highest bidder no matter where it's found. We also have enough oil in barrels to last humanity but if we switch off the taps it becomes a luxury product. Your comparing apples with melons " I'm not disputing who owns the oil I'm talking about processng it!! Don't you get that? | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant " Very True, but unless we bring back many if not all the infrastructure that was privatised back in the day we are screwed anyway as most of the UK is owned by overseas companies/governments. | |||
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"I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese??" That would have been the Selfservatives. | |||
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"Who owns steel certainly not UK so don't talk shite 95 % of oil comes from Scotland we normally have fuck all refineries and England has six go figure" Could you come back on here tomorrow minus the vodka and rephrase your comment please ? | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? Jobs at any price? We will have to see. It's not at any price, it's keeping hard working guys in work, giving them pride,letting them provide for family and giving them a reason to get up in the morning. Think, seriously about the money squandered on shit by governments (like HS2, like housing immigrants, like a hundred other "projects" . Ffs Socialist Government????" Where do you expect asylum seekers to live, note the majority of immigrants come to the UK legally and sort out their own housing? | |||
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"So the Liberal elite have been instructed to actually like war and some bod has informed them that to actually fight wars you need industrial capacity and above all you need steel. Funny how there's not enough money to build hospitals ( remember Blairs public private partnerships), build critical infrastructure ( Hinkley C,France and China, guaranteed over market value for their investment) plus countless other examples. Yet to support banking,or financing wars there's an endless supply of printed money. This 'debt' is created, and is a burden for future generations, until inflated away, or seemingly more likely by the day, defaulted on at some future date. Literally every facet of life is being gamed and nudged these days, and with the advent of AI this is becoming more apparent and prevalent by the day." Your point being? | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant " Wait till you find out who owns the power stations and power networks.... | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? Jobs at any price? We will have to see. It's not at any price, it's keeping hard working guys in work, giving them pride,letting them provide for family and giving them a reason to get up in the morning. Think, seriously about the money squandered on shit by governments (like HS2, like housing immigrants, like a hundred other "projects" . Ffs Socialist Government????" Don't forget the money wasted by the government supporting Scottish pensioners who had one mars bar supper too many.... | |||
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"Makes sense to secure it for future use of British based government contracts, should be made to use British steel. Does not matter if it costs more as once we can't make it we have to hope a friendly government will supply it. " Exactly, keep our Coal Fires Burning 🔥 🔥❤️❤️ | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant " Open up our mines again and keep the coal burning 🔥 🔥 ⛏️⚒️ 🔥 🔥 | |||
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"UK governments' policies have made it virtually economically inviable to run energy-intensive, high CO2 emitting manufacturing here. They don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "Global"; doesn't matter if the C02 is emitted here or China. No long-term or strategic planning. " It's because your average politician is stupid when it comes to business or technology. They don't understand what a plan would mean. People question Musks motivation, but in terms of vision be pisses all over our bunch of incompetents. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland??" It's very difficult to restart a blast furnace once it's mothballed - stepping in was the only way to prevent this happening as the current owners had sold of and not reordered any of the raw materials. Scunthorpe was time critical Grangemouth is not. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? It's very difficult to restart a blast furnace once it's mothballed - stepping in was the only way to prevent this happening as the current owners had sold of and not reordered any of the raw materials. Scunthorpe was time critical Grangemouth is not." I partly agree with what you say from an engineering point of view re Scunthorpe but try telling the guys about to lose their jobs that Grangemouth isn't time critical!! | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? It's very difficult to restart a blast furnace once it's mothballed - stepping in was the only way to prevent this happening as the current owners had sold of and not reordered any of the raw materials. Scunthorpe was time critical Grangemouth is not. I partly agree with what you say from an engineering point of view re Scunthorpe but try telling the guys about to lose their jobs that Grangemouth isn't time critical!!" If it was that important to the Scottish government they could step in and fund it. Surely a little more tax on something that is deemed so important would be a good use of money, maybe they could pause the baby boxes... | |||
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"We have enough oil, gas and coal in our own country but we spend millions on importing it. Start drilling and mining again, that’s what a country needs for its security and prosperity. " Well said, North Sea oil & gas Exploration should be reinstated And if any mines can be re-opened then why not. | |||
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"We hear a lot about the importance of keeping Scunthorpe open for defence reasons , Does this foundry actually make sheet steel or is it girders/ rails . If so it won’t have the capability to change so we are being misled " Coke coal is essential for High Carbon Steel We need far more Coal furnaces for Virgin Steel and High Carbon Steel Electric arc furnaces use only recycle steel crap and nowhere as strong as high carbon steel from iron ore blast furnaces | |||
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"We hear a lot about the importance of keeping Scunthorpe open for defence reasons , Does this foundry actually make sheet steel or is it girders/ rails . If so it won’t have the capability to change so we are being misled Coke coal is essential for High Carbon Steel We need far more Coal furnaces for Virgin Steel and High Carbon Steel Electric arc furnaces use only recycle steel crap and nowhere as strong as high carbon steel from iron ore blast furnaces " The question I was trying to put is does Scunthorpe only makes steel for rails and construction which would still leave a gaping hole in sheet metal production that I believe was until recently made at port talbot | |||
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"We hear a lot about the importance of keeping Scunthorpe open for defence reasons , Does this foundry actually make sheet steel or is it girders/ rails . If so it won’t have the capability to change so we are being misled " This is it in a nutshell. There is only one place now that can do heavy plate via the reverse mill process and that’s the mill in Motherwell Scotland. The problem is that the plate used to do this is made from steel slab and the last place to produce that was Scunthorpe but that was stopped a while ago and meant all steel slab was then imported. On top of this all and iron ore is now also imported. Basically we haven’t produced plate in the uk for a while and as you say the mills only roll sections which is due to the systematic destruction of the steel industry and to sum it up we are completely reliant on import and completely fucked. There are companies that still specialise in armour plate but again all reliant on import. One thing is for sure though is we would of been even more fucked without the blast furnaces but again will still be reliant on import but if they shut them down then that would be it as they can’t be restarted. It’s too far gone to recover and if it did come to it and we needed it for a war (god forbid) we would be up against it as the rest of Europe would be in a similar situation. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! " I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() . Another cheap remark. British steel then as well as now was and is a very bad investment. As the Chinese have discovered. No other business worldwide were willing to take them on. I'm glad to see it back in UK hands,BUT we are going to pay a massive price for the privilege. Money we clearly don't have. Labour are bleeding money on a scale we have never experienced. Scary times ahead | |||
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"There are 6 oil refineries in the UK. There is only one virgin steel plant (Scunthorpe). " Ah right, so bollocks to the Scottish oil refinery and bollocks to Port Talbot in Wales! "There'll always be an England" | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() Totally agree. The reason being security in home grown steel production. Meanwhile they have no home grown coking coal. So in short there is no security in the home grown steel production. This was political at a high cost. Governments of all kinds have no long commercial strategy. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() How is it labours fault if this has been allowed to happen when we had the tories in charge for 14yrs. Silly comment again. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() Well Labour now has the chance to fix everything that's wrong in the UK, let's see what they cut next.. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() Even if they could, it'll take a long time. The person i was replying to seemed upset that I was pointing out Boris's use of communist countries in building things here. They seemed to think this was a silly response when I was actually answering the posters first question. | |||
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"If Typhoo put the tea in Britain, who put the cunt in Scunthorpe ? " Probably Boris Johnson ![]() | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant " It needs the electric arc furnace. A huge consumer of electricity. We don't have enough spare capacity. After nationalisation we will still be dependant on foreign countries to produce steel. The existing furnaces burn from coal. We closed all our coal mines so can't produce our own. So that has to be imported. The British steel coking plant produced it own on site. A major polluter the coking plant closed because of the massive fines imposed on British steel by the plants new owners ie the government. So no fuel, coal or electricity. Massive fines for pollution. All as a direct interference by the plants new owners, the government. You can't make it up | |||
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"Not about jobs or profits, a country that can't produce steel can't defend itself. It's about being safe and staying relevant It needs the electric arc furnace. A huge consumer of electricity. We don't have enough spare capacity. After nationalisation we will still be dependant on foreign countries to produce steel. The existing furnaces burn from coal. We closed all our coal mines so can't produce our own. So that has to be imported. The British steel coking plant produced it own on site. A major polluter the coking plant closed because of the massive fines imposed on British steel by the plants new owners ie the government. So no fuel, coal or electricity. Massive fines for pollution. All as a direct interference by the plants new owners, the government. You can't make it up" So it's Goodbye High Carbon Steel when they go electric | |||
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"I had to laugh at the title of this thread: British steel Scunhorpe. I know it’s a guy’s site but why take the cunt out of Scunthorpe?" Because it's a spelling error, simple. ! | |||
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"We have enough oil, gas and coal in our own country but we spend millions on importing it. Start drilling and mining again, that’s what a country needs for its security and prosperity. " Manifest 1850!!! Backwards is the way | |||
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"I had to laugh at the title of this thread: British steel Scunhorpe. I know it’s a guy’s site but why take the cunt out of Scunthorpe? Because it's a spelling error, simple. ! " Doh! Who’d have thought it. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() Only silly part is you getting confused. no one blamed labour. I was simply remarking that it will come at a very massive price. whether its a good idea to nationalize or not.I dont pretend to know. But Tories retained british steel by allowing chinese to buy it out. no real cost to the taxpayer. Lets see now if Labour can find a buyer. if so happy days. If not, Ouch! it will hurt | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() No cost to the taxpayer, expect we could never build a war ship or a spoon again thanks to that torie sell out | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() And we still won’t be able too, Scunthorpe do not make sheet steel and have not got the capability to ever make that. | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() It makes virgin steel which is in everything. Try harder | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() So your saying Scunthorpe does make steel sheet metal, if so that’s something the owners , British government and every media outlet that has reported on this arrangement has said they don’t . Get yourself on the phone and let starmer know he’s bought a keeper , it’s not every day you buy a pig in a poke and get more than you paid for ![]() | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() ![]() Babe step away, Google the difference virgin and blanket steel | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!! I believe that would be our old friend Boris, who also got a Russian company to built number 10s news briefing room (because of course we trust russia?) What a guy! ![]() ![]() Condescension is not your forte Babe give it up | |||
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"Very interesting!! Westminster Govt are stepping in to save Scunthorpe blast furnaces and hopefully nationalizing it. Removing the Chinese. I mean who the fuck even allows such a British industry to be owned by the bloody Chinese?? Apparently (according to our oriental friends)losing £700,000 a day!!I Now then what about maybe nationalising Grangemouth refinery losing £350,000 a day (allegedly) or does that not matter because it's jobs in Scotland?? Jobs at any price? We will have to see. It's not at any price, it's keeping hard working guys in work, giving them pride,letting them provide for family and giving them a reason to get up in the morning. Think, seriously about the money squandered on shit by governments (like HS2, like housing immigrants, like a hundred other "projects" . Ffs Socialist Government????" Have to agree | |||
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"Some industries need to be in public ownership. The Tories should never have sold them off." They had to the unions were running them all down | |||
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"Some industries need to be in public ownership. The Tories should never have sold them off. They had to the unions were running them all down " Crap. The unions wanted decent wages nothng more | |||
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