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"I don’t understand any of this." Are you referring to the original post..? | |||
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"It seems to be a complaint about the editorial policy of a TV station in Israel" Seems to be more about a news outlet being pressurised into not being able to broadcast a story, that might expose a narrative was built on.. | |||
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"I don’t understand any of this. Are you referring to the original post..?" Yep Made my poor brain hurt | |||
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"It seems to be a complaint about the editorial policy of a TV station in Israel Seems to be more about a news outlet being pressurised into not being able to broadcast a story, that might expose a narrative was built on.." It’s a war zone. Shit happens. We’re more excited here about Toby and the missing tree | |||
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"I don’t understand any of this." Does anyone? A strange and very fraught situation. No one really knows the truth. No doubt lies and propaganda on both sides trying to justify their actions. | |||
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"It seems to be a complaint about the editorial policy of a TV station in Israel Seems to be more about a news outlet being pressurised into not being able to broadcast a story, that might expose a narrative was built on.. It’s a war zone. Shit happens. We’re more excited here about Toby and the missing tree " Who is we..? Who are you a spokesperson for..? | |||
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"It seems to be a complaint about the editorial policy of a TV station in Israel Seems to be more about a news outlet being pressurised into not being able to broadcast a story, that might expose a narrative was built on.. It’s a war zone. Shit happens. We’re more excited here about Toby and the missing tree " There are some parallels; the tree claimed that land for 500 years, until Toby Carvery came along. | |||
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"A person lied about an event, therefor it didn't happen? Alex Jones much! Alicia Esteve Head much! "Only the intensely gullible would believe such accounts in the first instance and only a moron would believe them without first seeing evidence, especially when based on the sole testimony of someone who clearly has form. Sadly gullibility seems to be a common factor amonst all those in the west that continue to blindly support Israel. | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. " Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits. | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits. "It is a war situation and a war thousands of miles away in country[s] or which we know very little first hand. As if war in itself wasn't bad enough but it also produces liars and propaganda-ist on BOTH sides to try and justify their atrocities. So yes I agree with Sara. Calling people morons and gullible does not help. It's a rather 'holier than thou' arrogant attitude to take. True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. | |||
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"I don’t understand any of this. Are you referring to the original post..? Yep Made my poor brain hurt" Ditto! lol | |||
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"God, this lot again.." Well God apparently started it. Apparently he/she use to be a property dealer and granted the land to certain people. | |||
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"Sadly it’s very difficult to believe a single word the Israeli government and their friends come out with. They will, and do, lie indiscriminately to justify their genocide of the Palestinian people. It’s Gaza now, and once they have finished there it will be the West Bank. It’s sad that they have become the thing they most hate." How's the investigation into the death of 15 ambulance crew going. | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7?" There as never been peace there, don't know how you got that idea.. | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7? There as never been peace there, don't know how you got that idea.." I said relative peace not people holding hands singing come by yah | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7? There as never been peace there, don't know how you got that idea.. I said relative peace not people holding hands singing come by yah " This is from a article written in July 2023. 3 months before the October 7th attack. The Israeli military has launched another attack on Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank, killing eight Palestinians and injuring 50 more, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. As of 3pm local time on Monday 3 July, ten people remain in a critical condition. I think by relative peace you mean, no big attack on Israeli settlements. Which is a sentiment mirrored in western main stream media. | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits.
It is a war situation and a war thousands of miles away in country[s] or which we know very little first hand. As if war in itself wasn't bad enough but it also produces liars and propaganda-ist on BOTH sides to try and justify their atrocities. So yes I agree with Sara. Calling people morons and gullible does not help. It's a rather 'holier than thou' arrogant attitude to take.
True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. "Can i ask you why you are pro-Israel and why you believe it has the right to exist? | |||
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" Can i ask you why you are pro-Israel and why you believe it has the right to exist? "Gay and Lesbian Palestinians need somewhere nearby to seek refuge from religious persecution and the threat to their lives in their own country. | |||
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" True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. Can i ask you why you are pro-Israel and why you believe it has the right to exist? "Why not. Everyone has a right to a homeland. Over the centuries Jew have had a hard time. Exiled from their original homeland where they have now returned. Jewish enclaves have repeatedly been expelled from countries where they settled e.g. England in the middle ages, Spain in the 16th century, Russia in the 19th century, Germany in the 20th century; and not just expelled. They evidently started drifting back to modern day Israel long before the Balfour declaration. Where would they go now if Israel ceased to exist? In the past vast ethnic populations have been moved when borders have been redrawn such as after WWII when Germans were moved from what is now western Poland and the Czech Sudetenland. The Arab land masses are vast. Israel is about the size of Wales. Surely they have a right to a homeland. Also, as I said in an earlier comment I believe the Palestinian people have a right to have there one homeland on the occupied West Bank. | |||
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" True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. Can i ask you why you are pro-Israel and why you believe it has the right to exist?
Why not. Everyone has a right to a homeland. Over the centuries Jew have had a hard time. Exiled from their original homeland where they have now returned. Jewish enclaves have repeatedly been expelled from countries where they settled e.g. England in the middle ages, Spain in the 16th century, Russia in the 19th century, Germany in the 20th century; and not just expelled.
They evidently started drifting back to modern day Israel long before the Balfour declaration. Where would they go now if Israel ceased to exist?
In the past vast ethnic populations have been moved when borders have been redrawn such as after WWII when Germans were moved from what is now western Poland and the Czech Sudetenland. The Arab land masses are vast. Israel is about the size of Wales. Surely they have a right to a homeland. Also, as I said in an earlier comment I believe the Palestinian people have a right to have there one homeland on the occupied West Bank."Ok, so why do you believe Palestine to be the Jewish homeland? | |||
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" Ok, so why do you believe Palestine to be the Jewish homeland?" "Palestine" was named by the Roman invaders. It was named after the group that we know as the Phillistines, who lived around the area we now know as Gaza. The Roman occupiers were followed by several others including the Caliphates and the Ottoman empire, all of whom dispossessed and subjugated the indigenous Jewish population. | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits.
It is a war situation and a war thousands of miles away in country[s] or which we know very little first hand. As if war in itself wasn't bad enough but it also produces liars and propaganda-ist on BOTH sides to try and justify their atrocities. So yes I agree with Sara. Calling people morons and gullible does not help. It's a rather 'holier than thou' arrogant attitude to take.
True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. "I am pro Israel to the point that I place monthly D/D donations of support, there are far worse charitable donations going around and I do my small bit to help | |||
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" True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. Can i ask you why you are pro-Israel and why you believe it has the right to exist?
Why not. Everyone has a right to a homeland. Over the centuries Jew have had a hard time. Exiled from their original homeland where they have now returned. Jewish enclaves have repeatedly been expelled from countries where they settled e.g. England in the middle ages, Spain in the 16th century, Russia in the 19th century, Germany in the 20th century; and not just expelled.
They evidently started drifting back to modern day Israel long before the Balfour declaration. Where would they go now if Israel ceased to exist?
In the past vast ethnic populations have been moved when borders have been redrawn such as after WWII when Germans were moved from what is now western Poland and the Czech Sudetenland. The Arab land masses are vast. Israel is about the size of Wales. Surely they have a right to a homeland. Also, as I said in an earlier comment I believe the Palestinian people have a right to have there one homeland on the occupied West Bank."By that reasoning, if in a weird world in the future say in a 2 maybe 5 hundred years into the future, maybe even a thousand years. If the Native Americans or the Aboriginies became powerful enough, or got the backing of the superpower of that period. They could rightly throw the incumbent occupants of North America or Australia out and reclaim their ancestral lands. Does your advocacy for right to return to ancestral lands apply to everyone or only certain groups. | |||
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" By that reasoning, if in a weird world in the future say in a 2 maybe 5 hundred years into the future, maybe even a thousand years. If the Native Americans or the Aboriginies became powerful enough, or got the backing of the superpower of that period. They could rightly throw the incumbent occupants of North America or Australia out and reclaim their ancestral lands. Does your advocacy for right to return to ancestral lands apply to everyone or only certain groups. " If all they wanted was an area the size of Vermont, and had been relentlessly persecuted and expelled from most of the other states, and if Canada had invaded and tried to exterminate every one of them, then yes I would support the return of Vermont to the native American people. | |||
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" By that reasoning, if in a weird world in the future say in a 2 maybe 5 hundred years into the future, maybe even a thousand years. If the Native Americans or the Aboriginies became powerful enough, or got the backing of the superpower of that period. They could rightly throw the incumbent occupants of North America or Australia out and reclaim their ancestral lands. Does your advocacy for right to return to ancestral lands apply to everyone or only certain groups. If all they wanted was an area the size of Vermont, and had been relentlessly persecuted and expelled from most of the other states, and if Canada had invaded and tried to exterminate every one of them, then yes I would support the return of Vermont to the native American people. " 1) The zionist's want all of the land that they claim was Israel. This is why they have opposed a 2 state solution. Also are actively trying to grab land in th West Bank and push the Palestinians out. So no they are not saying just give us enough land for us to feel safe. But actively encouraging Jews from all over the world by promising them free land to keep enlarging Israel. | |||
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"Why won't any other Arab states take refugees from Gaza? It's because no one else wants them, They were kicked out of Jordan ,then Kuwait then fucking the Lebanon, you reap what you sow " That's a bit like if a large non Christian group took over a European country, Then after pushing the Christian population of that country of their land and cornering them in the worst area of that country. That invading group then saying to Britain, Germany, France " why aren't you taking your fellow Christians. | |||
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" In the past vast ethnic populations have been moved when borders have been redrawn such as after WWII when Germans were moved from what is now western Poland and the Czech Sudetenland. The Arab land masses are vast. Israel is about the size of Wales. Surely they have a right to a homeland. Also, as I said in an earlier comment I believe the Palestinian people have a right to have there one homeland on the occupied West Bank. By that reasoning, if in a weird world in the future say in a 2 maybe 5 hundred years into the future, maybe even a thousand years. If the Native Americans or the Aboriginies became powerful enough, or got the backing of the superpower of that period. They could rightly throw the incumbent occupants of North America or Australia out and reclaim their ancestral lands. Does your advocacy for right to return to ancestral lands apply to everyone or only certain groups. " As I pointed out before Israel only takes up a very small land area of what is dubbed the Arab World which stretches from Morocco to Iraq. The USA, Canada and Australia are vast countries. They could easily have created an independent or autonomous state for their native populations. I understand there are 'reservations' for Native Americans in the USA. I do not know the details but can only assume in these areas the Native Americans enjoy an autonomous life. I believe there are similar areas in Australia. As I have said earlier I believe in two states:-Israel and Palestine. Personal opinion of course and certainly not shared by everyone especially the hard-liners in Israel. Although there is no doubt tension the Palestinians living in Israel do enjoy the same rights as other Israeli citizens, are free to worship as they so wish and are represented in the Israeli Knesset. I do wonder what some of the anti-Israel faction think should happen to the Jewish people. Should they be expelled again like the Romans did to them back in 70AD? If so where to? | |||
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"Let's do another story. No one was butchered, r4ped, murdered or k1dnapp3d on October 7th 2023. The post mortems were faked and shows the cause of death as natural causes. Meanwhile the people of Gaza were at home watching Enid Blyton on the television." Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? | |||
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" ... 1) The zionist's want all of the land that they claim was Israel. This is why they have opposed a 2 state solution. Also are actively trying to grab land in th West Bank and push the Palestinians out. So no they are not saying just give us enough land for us to feel safe. But actively encouraging Jews from all over the world by promising them free land to keep enlarging Israel." Isreal pulled out of Sinai and Jordan. They pulled all the Jews out of Gaza 20 years ago to allow the people of Gaza to self govern, they elected Hamas, Hamas chose violence. "From the river to the sea" is not an acceptance of a two state solution. | |||
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"Why won't any other Arab states take refugees from Gaza? It's because no one else wants them, They were kicked out of Jordan ,then Kuwait then fucking the Lebanon, you reap what you sow " The people of Gaza have become proxies for the Islamic Republic of Iran and its declared goal to destroy the state of Israel. The neighbouring states see Iran as a much greater threat to their wellbeing than Israel, which has done much behind the scenes to normalise relations with them. | |||
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"Israel run by a corrupt government and a crook who thus far has avoided jail, a bit like one Donald Trump. Palestine run by various factions with Hamas as the agent provocateur, what Israel was doing in the lead up to the Oct 7th was wrong and persecution, what Hamas did to the Israeli people on the Oct 7th massacre was also wrong and persecution. Israel stop your occupation. Hamas stop your terrorist acts . Recognize Israel and remove corrupted people in power. Recognize the Palestinian state and allow them autonomy. Oh wait that's not what 'America' wants. Oh well, never mind then. Mx " never going to happen Palestinians normally start the shit and Israel just finish it it's like tormenting a cat or dog sooner or later they will attack you the yanks have been supplying weapons to Israel for donkeys of years | |||
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"Hamas did what they did on the 7th October because the Israeli government let them. They needed an excuse for the land grab, and they got it." So it is the victim's fault. I can guess how your mind works. | |||
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"Let's do another story. No one was butchered, r4ped, murdered or k1dnapp3d on October 7th 2023. The post mortems were faked and shows the cause of death as natural causes. Meanwhile the people of Gaza were at home watching Enid Blyton on the television. Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people?" I think you will need to understand what genocide is before using grown up words. 2% of the population is not genocide. The Holocaust was around 90%. | |||
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" Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people?" Maybe. But if you commit a 9/11 style atrocity against your neighbour, if your leaders are committed to armed warfare against your neighbour, if you are allied with an Islamic state that repeatedly pledges to destroy your neighbour, don't be surprised if your neighbour isn't friendly towards you in return. | |||
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"Why won't any other Arab states take refugees from Gaza? It's because no one else wants them, They were kicked out of Jordan ,then Kuwait then fucking the Lebanon, you reap what you sow That's a bit like if a large non Christian group took over a European country, Then after pushing the Christian population of that country of their land and cornering them in the worst area of that country. That invading group then saying to Britain, Germany, France " why aren't you taking your fellow Christians." When Iraq invaded Kuwait the Palestinian refugees in Kuwait sided with Iraq ( always best to be on a winning side) when the Iraqis got their arses kicked out of Kuwait,all the way back to Baghdad, the reinstated Kuwaiti government promptly kicked 160,000 Palestinian refugees out back to Gaza because no one else wants them, Why don't the gulf states and Saudi Arabia help these people, because they destabilise every where they plant their arses | |||
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"Let's do another story. No one was butchered, r4ped, murdered or k1dnapp3d on October 7th 2023. The post mortems were faked and shows the cause of death as natural causes. Meanwhile the people of Gaza were at home watching Enid Blyton on the television. Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? I think you will need to understand what genocide is before using grown up words. 2% of the population is not genocide. The Holocaust was around 90%." The Nazis murdered around 67% of European Jews, not 90%. Also Israel aren’t finished yet. They have destroyed pretty much every bit of infrastructure in Gaza, including every hospital. They are making it impossible for people to live there. Perhaps you’re right though, currently it’s more like ethnic cleansing, they’re working up to genocide. | |||
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" Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? Maybe. But if you commit a 9/11 style atrocity against your neighbour, if your leaders are committed to armed warfare against your neighbour, if you are allied with an Islamic state that repeatedly pledges to destroy your neighbour, don't be surprised if your neighbour isn't friendly towards you in return. " That you consider the murder of 14500 children, and creating the highest number of child amputees in the world not being ‘friendly’ it says rather a lot about you. | |||
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"Why won't any other Arab states take refugees from Gaza? It's because no one else wants them, They were kicked out of Jordan ,then Kuwait then fucking the Lebanon, you reap what you sow " Why should they have to? The Palestinians have a home. Also there are 2.39 million Palestinian refugees in Jordan, and 222,000 Palestinians in Lebanon. | |||
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" Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? Maybe. But if you commit a 9/11 style atrocity against your neighbour, if your leaders are committed to armed warfare against your neighbour, if you are allied with an Islamic state that repeatedly pledges to destroy your neighbour, don't be surprised if your neighbour isn't friendly towards you in return. That you consider the murder of 14500 children, and creating the highest number of child amputees in the world not being ‘friendly’ it says rather a lot about you." My point is the people there show every sign of being committed to the destruction of their neighbour, and are now paying a heavy price for their stupidity. | |||
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" Is it possible that Hamas perpetrated a horrendous act of terrorism on October 7th 2023 and Israel has gone beyond retaliation and is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? Maybe. But if you commit a 9/11 style atrocity against your neighbour, if your leaders are committed to armed warfare against your neighbour, if you are allied with an Islamic state that repeatedly pledges to destroy your neighbour, don't be surprised if your neighbour isn't friendly towards you in return. That you consider the murder of 14500 children, and creating the highest number of child amputees in the world not being ‘friendly’ it says rather a lot about you. My point is the people there show every sign of being committed to the destruction of their neighbour, and are now paying a heavy price for their stupidity." That is the sort of logic that says if your dad pushes you and you bump into me I am within my rights to smash your head in with a baseball bat. The Gaza situation really isn’t as simple as you seem to think. | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves." When did they decide that? | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits. "Think we all did that when we believed all the false promises of Brexit | |||
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"I'm not sure the best way to influence others to join your cause is to call them morons and gullible. Insults tend to deter, not enthuse. Someone who chooses to staunchly believe without question the testimony of a known liar without it being corroborated by actual physical evidence? I'm sorry but if the shoe fits.
It is a war situation and a war thousands of miles away in country[s] or which we know very little first hand. As if war in itself wasn't bad enough but it also produces liars and propaganda-ist on BOTH sides to try and justify their atrocities. So yes I agree with Sara. Calling people morons and gullible does not help. It's a rather 'holier than thou' arrogant attitude to take.
True I tend to be pro Israel simply because I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist. However I also believe that a state of Palestine--the West Bank--has a right to exist whether totally independently or autonomously. So I do not approve of Israeli settlements their. Gaza is another matter. It is ruled by a fundamentalist terrorist organisation who have been provoking Israel for years. The Gazan people do not deserve to be bombed out of existence by perhaps eradicating their rulers could be justified. "Done a lot more than provoke Let’s face it Israel is a bulwark against Islamic Fundamentalism | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that?" The last time there was an election | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that? The last time there was an election" Last time there was an election in Gaza was 2006 when Hamas came to power. Not held one since. Israel, on the other hand, must have the world record for frequent general elections. Would drive Brenda from Bristol barmy. | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that? The last time there was an election" When was that, what was the result? | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that? The last time there was an election Last time there was an election in Gaza was 2006 when Hamas came to power. Not held one since. Israel, on the other hand, must have the world record for frequent general elections. Would drive Brenda from Bristol barmy." When Hamas got less than 50% of the vote. | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that? The last time there was an election When was that, what was the result?" About 20 years ago, when Hamas won. No elections since. I must've missed the demonstrations by the people of Gaza demanding new elections, the renunciation of violence, a peaceful dialogue etc | |||
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"I speak for the Church of Worshipful Fab Disciples (Bristol branch) Ltd" Apostates. Never once have they made pilgrimage to monington crescent. Totally disreputable bunch , wouldn't be surprised if several of them worked in pr department of mainstream UK media organisations where innuendo and sleaze are order of the day provided there is no hint of inaccuracy on the part of the outlet. | |||
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"It was the people of Gaza who decided they wanted to be lead by a militant group committed to the destruction of Israel through armed struggle. The leaders followed through on that idiotic promise, and now those who put them there are caught in the carnage they inflicted upon themselves. When did they decide that? The last time there was an election When was that, what was the result? About 20 years ago, when Hamas won. No elections since. I must've missed the demonstrations by the people of Gaza demanding new elections, the renunciation of violence, a peaceful dialogue etc " I think what maybe put them off was when Fatah refused to work with Hamas, triggering a conflict which resulted in civilians being targeted and politicians being executed in the streets? Or maybe when over 200,000 people took to the streets in November 2007 and Hamas broke up the march by firing into the crowd? Perhaps it’s the tendency Hamas has for torturing and murdering anyone it thinks has collaborated with the IDF that makes them think twice? | |||
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" I must've missed the demonstrations by the people of Gaza demanding new elections, the renunciation of violence, a peaceful dialogue etc " In the same way it was the people of Britain that wanted Brexit The people of America that wanted Trump The difference being that those calling those decisions a mistake are nearly ridiculed in UK and USA. In Gaza you get shot. If your enemies run into a crowded bar and you barricade them in. Then you have a choice. You can shoot them when they put Thier heads up or you can lob grenades in the bar. If you keep doing the latter, Don't be surprised if those trapped in there, start shooting back. | |||
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"I am meant to feel sorry for people who decided they wanted to be lead by a group of Islamic extremists who standing openly on a platform of sectarian war? " Over 14500 children who weren’t even born when the last elections took place in Gaza have been murdered. In 2023 more than 50% of the population of Gaza were under 18. Approximately 70% of the population of Gaza in 2023 would not have been old enough to vote in the last elections held there. Of those who are still alive today who were eligible to vote back then only 44% voted for Hamas. This means of the 2,143,000 people living in Gaza in 2023, only 283,000 voted for Hamas. That’s about 13.2%. | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is not just an armed anti Israel group They actually run everything in Gaza Schools, hospitals, transport, water, fuel, etc etc Take them out and out nothing in their place and you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. " Lol - their in Qatar | |||
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"I am meant to feel sorry for people who decided they wanted to be lead by a group of Islamic extremists who standing openly on a platform of sectarian war? " .... .. Innocent Palestinians have been butchered by their rulers for decades.It's not hard to see why they would support a movement that wants to eradicate an enemy which has treated the Palestinian People so cruelly over decades. If we had watched our families and friends being murdered might we not want revenge against a callous regime? (This is not an endorsement nor support for Hamas) | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7?" No ! There were thirty thousand Palestinians detained with out trial , shootings, intimidation random assaults and blocking of trade beyond a bare minimum. | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7? No ! There were thirty thousand Palestinians detained with out trial , shootings, intimidation random assaults and blocking of trade beyond a bare minimum. " Reap what they sow And they are certainly reaping payback now 🤣😂🤣 | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7? No ! There were thirty thousand Palestinians detained with out trial , shootings, intimidation random assaults and blocking of trade beyond a bare minimum. Reap what they sow And they are certainly reaping payback now 🤣😂🤣" You think murdering children is funny? | |||
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" … In the same way it was the people of Britain that wanted Brexit … " “In the same way…” What the fuck has Brexit got to do with historic religious and sectarian violence in the Middle East?! Some of you are completely insane. | |||
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"I’m not pretending I know a lot about this but wasn’t there relative peace until hamas did what they did on oct 7? No ! There were thirty thousand Palestinians detained with out trial , shootings, intimidation random assaults and blocking of trade beyond a bare minimum. Reap what they sow And they are certainly reaping payback now 🤣😂🤣 You think murdering children is funny?" You mean future Islamic extremists!!! | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is not just an armed anti Israel group They actually run everything in Gaza Schools, hospitals, transport, water, fuel, etc etc Take them out and out nothing in their place and you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. " So, tolerate active terrorism on your doorstep because they also collect the bins. OK? | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is not just an armed anti Israel group They actually run everything in Gaza Schools, hospitals, transport, water, fuel, etc etc Take them out and out nothing in their place and you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. So, tolerate active terrorism on your doorstep because they also collect the bins. OK?" I think the Labour council in Birmingham is almost desperate enough to let Hamas take over refuse collection at present. | |||
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"Agreed…. But it’s a mental Zionist state and a very racist one… I’d say even worse… they are your friends now but later they will turn on you… just ask JFK… oh wait…." Did the Zionists murder Marilyn Monroe too..? I need to keep up. | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is ... etc etc Take them out an you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. So, tolerate active terrorism on your doorstep because they also collect the bins. OK?" You say tolerate like it's a simple choice? When the mark duggan riots kicked off did you form human barricades to stop the spread? When d*unk football thugs walk through town swearing and scaring people do you step up to them and ask them to tone it down? When similar mobs have state backing and are armed and recommend burning those against them, would you step out of line and risk being a heratic? Even in Israel where there is less impression people who don't like what the government are doing are being forced out. The head of the shiver and the idf for fired because they said the government policy was flawed. Imagine what would have happened to them if they had been doing the same thing in the reverse side in Gaza? Idf might have had a call to say where they were meeting their family for dinner.... There is little support for hamas anywhere outside of certain Palestinian and extremist religious groups, but that is not a reason to deliberately eradicate all Palestinians, nor is it justification for the ongoing theft of their land. | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is not just an armed anti Israel group They actually run everything in Gaza Schools, hospitals, transport, water, fuel, etc etc Take them out and out nothing in their place and you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. So, tolerate active terrorism on your doorstep because they also collect the bins. OK? I think the Labour council in Birmingham is almost desperate enough to let Hamas take over refuse collection at present. " Can't see them accepting the same pay as the dinner ladies. Also no collections on Fridays.  | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is ... etc etc Take them out an you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. So, tolerate active terrorism on your doorstep because they also collect the bins. OK? You say tolerate like it's a simple choice? When the mark duggan riots kicked off did you form human barricades to stop the spread? When d*unk football thugs walk through town swearing and scaring people do you step up to them and ask them to tone it down? When similar mobs have state backing and are armed and recommend burning those against them, would you step out of line and risk being a heratic? Even in Israel where there is less impression people who don't like what the government are doing are being forced out. The head of the shiver and the idf for fired because they said the government policy was flawed. Imagine what would have happened to them if they had been doing the same thing in the reverse side in Gaza? Idf might have had a call to say where they were meeting their family for dinner.... There is little support for hamas anywhere outside of certain Palestinian and extremist religious groups, but that is not a reason to deliberately eradicate all Palestinians, nor is it justification for the ongoing theft of their land. " If Rachel Reeves follows this forum she'll get the idea to start taxing tangents. | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is ... etc etc Take them out an you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. There is little support for hamas anywhere outside of certain Palestinian and extremist religious groups, but that is not a reason to deliberately eradicate all Palestinians, nor is it justification for the ongoing theft of their land. " Disagree; Israel is correct to be doing what they are doing right now. The Palestinians in Gaza are recruitment fodder for Hamas and let's not forget who voted for Hamas and cheer for every slaughter they carry out. That's one reason why I donate and back Israel | |||
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"The problem is Hamas is ... etc etc Take them out an you have whats happening now. Not that Israel cares of course. There is little support for hamas anywhere outside of certain Palestinian and extremist religious groups, but that is not a reason to deliberately eradicate all Palestinians, nor is it justification for the ongoing theft of their land. Disagree; Israel is correct to be doing what they are doing right now. The Palestinians in Gaza are recruitment fodder for Hamas and let's not forget who voted for Hamas and cheer for every slaughter they carry out. That's one reason why I donate and back Israel " Are there are proof of your wild claims in the post above? 1. Most of Gaza’s population are not adults: Over 50% of Gaza’s population are children under 18. They didn’t vote for Hamas, they’re not militants, and they certainly aren’t responsible for the actions of any political group. 2. Hamas recruitment is driven by Israel’s actions: Decades of military occupation, blockade, displacement, and indiscriminate bombing are what fuel extremism—not inherent support. The only real recruiter for Hamas is Israel’s brutal policy, which includes what many experts and human rights groups describe as collective punishment, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing. 3. Donations that support this violence make you complicit: Supporting military campaigns that indiscriminately kill civilians—especially children—means endorsing atrocities. | |||
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