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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" How ironic that the most vile expletive in the English language is used to criticise perceived disrespect, undermining the point entirely! | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump How ironic that the most vile expletive in the English language is used to criticise perceived disrespect, undermining the point entirely! " Exactly. It's the pope's funeral but someone still has to have a dig at Trump. | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump" Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. | |||
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"It is with any event party funeral as that’s what I do weddings funeral s party’s Not that scale world leaders but it’s the 7 ps Proper Planning Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance x x " 8 Ps You forgot the Pope | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . " A bit like you then | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" Different countries and different culture wear various colours for funerals. Purple in considered a suitable colour in some places. Traditionally--possibly pre-Victorian--British royalty wore white at funerals. I doubt Trump is being disrespectful. I might also add I cannot see anything wrong with him having talks with Zelenskyy. They are in the same place and this awful Ukraine war needs bringing to an end. I rather think HH Pope Francis would approve of them trying to resolve this today. | |||
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" Different countries and different culture wear various colours for funerals. Purple in considered a suitable colour in some places. Traditionally--possibly pre-Victorian--British royalty wore white at funerals. I doubt Trump is being disrespectful. I might also add I cannot see anything wrong with him having talks with Zelenskyy. They are in the same place and this awful Ukraine war needs bringing to an end. I rather think HH Pope Francis would approve of them trying to resolve this today." I wholeheartedly agree _ildwesthero, funeral attire varies across cultures, and what's considered respectful differs globally. Regarding President Trump's actions, he's clearly not being disrespectful, and his talks with Zelenskyy could be a valuable step towards ending the Ukraine war. Pope Francis's emphasis on dialogue and peace-making would likely support such efforts with the focus on promoting understanding and peaceful resolutions. | |||
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"The Vatican isn't really about religion. It's the 3rd most significant dynasty in the empire created by the Knights Templar. This rules Westminster, Washington and the EU amongst othe countries" Where does the WEF, Bill Gates and the WHO fit in? Did I miss anyone out…oh I know the lizard people… | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . " Well you know you are in trouble if Trump thinks you are ignorant. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . " What about all the white British criminals Micke, do you have an issue with them or is it just brown people? | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . Well you know you are in trouble if Trump thinks you are ignorant." Remember he can financially cripple world economy as proven . So being nice can pay dividend , not that labour would know that . They to stupid and incompetent. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . " By addressing him as "Mr," trump would likely think you were an "ignorant cunt!" 😂 The narcissistic, convicted con man and sexual predator prefers 'Sir,' or 'President.' | |||
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"Bet the catering at a papal funeral is top notch. None of those dry sausage rolls and cheese sandwiches. " I'd be grabbing his unopened Easter eggs to sell on eBay. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump Different countries and different culture wear various colours for funerals. Purple in considered a suitable colour in some places. Traditionally--possibly pre-Victorian--British royalty wore white at funerals. I doubt Trump is being disrespectful. I might also add I cannot see anything wrong with him having talks with Zelenskyy. They are in the same place and this awful Ukraine war needs bringing to an end. I rather think HH Pope Francis would approve of them trying to resolve this today." Yes Pope Francis certainly would have approved. | |||
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"Fuck sake mate the guys a cxxt you just can’t ignore him." The millions of Americans who voted for him obviously don't agree with you. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" And a blue tie. And it's the suit he left DC in. Landed in Italy in. It would seem they have neither dressers nor wardrobes on Air Force One. The critics are saying it's deliberate - so he stands out and makes it all about him. Doesn't matter if it's praise or criticism, it's all about HIM!! "Hey, who's that guy in the box? Oh, him. He met me. He was a good guy...anyhow, let's do some deeeeels." | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !" Go find the Spitting Image sketch where a Cardinal tries to tell JP2 that Jesus has returned "What about the Vatican Bank? People are starving ...and we're LOADED!!" | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. " What's Charles Windsors excuse then? | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. What's Charles Windsors excuse then? " UK monarch’s don’t attend papal funerals. They are the head of their own church. None of the previous monarch’s have done so. He was represented by his son the Prince of Wales | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. " I started this thread about TRUMP or did you miss that with your sanctimonious clap trap.? I'll also not be ordered around by the likes of you. So do one | |||
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"Correction. I didn't start this thread. It was the other one" And no I don't think you've made yourself look stupid  | |||
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"How much preparation is involved in organising the funeral? The logistics must be a nightmare with so many people present plus world leaders etc" They are used to doing a good big catholic mass at the Vatican. I'm sure they'll have an e-mail list for the world leaders too. Those Swiss guards might look a bit daft, but they are as well trained as any army, so security is taken care of too. | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !" Thats why Pope Frances didn't take the money the Pope is normally given and lived in a small apartment in the guest house and not in the papal suite apparently. | |||
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"I’ll be glad to get back to some real news rather than two months worth of the pope dying Shame we have to wait until all the carry on about selecting the new pope is finished " | |||
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"Maybe he spilled spaghetti on his black suit. " More likely Ukraine's minerals | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" What colour is zelinskys suit ? | |||
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"I’ll be glad to get back to some real news rather than two months worth of the pope dying Shame we have to wait until all the carry on about selecting the new pope is finished "The poor man has been dead for 5 days, not two months. You are not compelled to watch or read the news, plus there is other news as well. | |||
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"Maybe he spilled spaghetti on his black suit. More likely Ukraine's minerals " Is "Ukraine's minerals" a euphemism for Zelenskyy's cum? .  | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. What's Charles Windsors excuse then? UK monarch’s don’t attend papal funerals. They are the head of their own church. None of the previous monarch’s have done so. He was represented by his son the Prince of Wales" Oh,so he didn't bother as head of his church, whereas other religious leaders did attend. Righty oh. | |||
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"Correction. I didn't start this thread. It was the other one" Oh FFS. | |||
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"I respect The Pope NOT Trump Go on a Trump thread, plenty more like you on here and you can all call him all the names under the sun. This is about the Pope not Trump. Trump has to be there whether he wants to or not. What's Charles Windsors excuse then? UK monarch’s don’t attend papal funerals. They are the head of their own church. None of the previous monarch’s have done so. He was represented by his son the Prince of Wales Oh,so he didn't bother as head of his church, whereas other religious leaders did attend. Righty oh." Ah but you see none of those other religious leaders. Were head of a church that broke away from Rome. Also none of them were UK Monarchs, whose protocols do not allow attending Papal funerals. Look at any coin in your pocket it will say on it FD (Fidei Defensor) Defender of the Faith. Chuckles wanted that changed to defender of Faiths at his Coronation. The change wasn’t allowed. So he took the Oath as a Protestant. Catholic’s are still denied full citizen rights in the UK. You can’t be one and Prime Minister nor have rights of succession. It wasn’t Chuckles place to go. Our unwritten constitution didn’t allow it. Hence he sent his boy. You can’t blame him for your ignorance, and that’s coming from a true republican | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump" Just seen footage of the funeral… lots of blue suits. As someone else said…plenty of reasons not to like him, this isn’t one of them. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump Just seen footage of the funeral… lots of blue suits. As someone else said…plenty of reasons not to like him, this isn’t one of them." I be if he'd known it was going to be that boring with all that standing he'd have delegated !! | |||
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"I ask about the logistics of a funeral and all wankers can whinge about is Trump." Well if you're so lacking in humour its not as bad as you think!! like all high profile people their funerals are logistically arranged even before they look like snuffing it. Queen Elizabeth was arranged years before it happened. Balmoral was her preference. Popes are the same!! Lighten up my friend !! | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump Just seen footage of the funeral… lots of blue suits. As someone else said…plenty of reasons not to like him, this isn’t one of them. I be if he'd known it was going to be that boring with all that standing he'd have delegated !!" What did he think was going to happen it’s a catholic funeral…dull and looooong. | |||
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"… Catholic’s are still denied full citizen rights in the UK. You can’t be one and Prime Minister nor have rights of succession … " Slight error here. Catholics are allowed to be prime minister. We have had one. Boris Johnson was received into the Catholic Church during his premiership. There is only one limitation on a Catholic exercising the duties of a prime minister; he or she may not advise the monarch on the naming of a bishop in the Church of England. Whilst other non-Anglican PMs may do so, when the matter arose during the premierships of atheists or conformants of other creeds, I understand the Lord Chancellor or the Lord President of the Council have proffered the advice. The only political office from which a Catholic is barred is the Second Church Estates Commissioner. | |||
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"… Catholic’s are still denied full citizen rights in the UK. You can’t be one and Prime Minister nor have rights of succession … Slight error here. Catholics are allowed to be prime minister. We have had one. Boris Johnson was received into the Catholic Church during his premiership. There is only one limitation on a Catholic exercising the duties of a prime minister; he or she may not advise the monarch on the naming of a bishop in the Church of England. Whilst other non-Anglican PMs may do so, when the matter arose during the premierships of atheists or conformants of other creeds, I understand the Lord Chancellor or the Lord President of the Council have proffered the advice. The only political office from which a Catholic is barred is the Second Church Estates Commissioner. " Boris was baptised a Catholic in the USA but when attending Eton he was confirmed as an Anglican. He did have one of his many children baptised catholic during his premiership. However it would be difficult to consider him as such. After all none of his marriages have been in a catholic church. Nor have any been annulled. The Catholic Church doesn’t recognise divorce. Even Tony Blair waited until he was out of Number 10 before converting. | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !" . Jesus is very much alive and always has been.I would imagine he is hurt by many he see s on this earth, not just the catholics. | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !. Jesus is very much alive and always has been.I would imagine he is hurt by many he see s on this earth, not just the catholics." sorry to inform you that Jesus does not exist | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !. Jesus is very much alive and always has been.I would imagine he is hurt by many he see s on this earth, not just the catholics.sorry to inform you that Jesus does not exist " Others will disagree. Its a matter of faith and belief | |||
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"If Jesus was alive he'd be horrified about an organisation like the Catholic church ...the wealth & ostentation !. Jesus is very much alive and always has been.I would imagine he is hurt by many he see s on this earth, not just the catholics." Why? God is omnipotent and omnipresent it knows everything about all of us including what we are going to do. If you believe in the Christian god For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity | |||
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"The Vatican isn't really about religion. It's the 3rd most significant dynasty in the empire created by the Knights Templar. This rules Westminster, Washington and the EU amongst othe countries" The vatican has only existed since February 11, 1929... It's not even 100 years old. The line of popes predates the knights templars by a thousand years. If it's on TV then you know it's not the real control.. | |||
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" For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity " Wait to you realise that the "god" of the old testament actually changes about half way through... They are not the same "being"... That's a theological headache and a half... | |||
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" For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity Wait to you realise that the "god" of the old testament actually changes about half way through... They are not the same "being"... That's a theological headache and a half..." Yes and it’s a real problem for Christian Apologetics and most of the fringe sects Like the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons | |||
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" For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity Wait to you realise that the "god" of the old testament actually changes about half way through... They are not the same "being"... That's a theological headache and a half... Yes and it’s a real problem for Christian Apologetics and most of the fringe sects Like the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons" The Old Testament is a mixture of allegory, history, outdated rules for a desert people, and prophesy. Christianity stems entirely from the New Testament. Not even sure that either the Jehovah's Witnesses--whom I can't make head nor tale of--or the Mormons--based on some dubious writing of a 19thC. American--can truly be described as Christians. | |||
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" For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity Wait to you realise that the "god" of the old testament actually changes about half way through... They are not the same "being"... That's a theological headache and a half... Yes and it’s a real problem for Christian Apologetics and most of the fringe sects Like the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons" Yes but isn't Christmas nice even it's a pagan celebration ? | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish." Or in fact did he actually exist ? | |||
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" For those of us who don’t Roman Catholicism is the perfect example of the huge and unsurmountable contradictions in Christianity Wait to you realise that the "god" of the old testament actually changes about half way through... They are not the same "being"... That's a theological headache and a half... Yes and it’s a real problem for Christian Apologetics and most of the fringe sects Like the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons Yes but isn't Christmas nice even it's a pagan celebration ? " Yes, Christian festivals are just a reskin of pagan originals. Makes me laugh when I see my godfearing mother buying Easter eggs and those chocolate bunnies... Pagan symbolism is strong in her Catholic house... Shhh don't tell the priest... | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish." ... ... What would he make of Israel's current penchant for industrial scale slaughter? | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish. ... ... What would he make of Israel's current penchant for industrial scale slaughter? " And of the r ape and slaughter of young teenagers having fun at a rave If it's a war, target barracks or political figures, not young kids having a good time who pose no threat. | |||
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"How much preparation is involved in organising the funeral? The logistics must be a nightmare with so many people present plus world leaders etc" The funeral plan of a head of state is normally drawn up shortly after their appointment. For example, palace officials will already have discussed with Charles the plan for his, and there will be a huge document setting out all the arrangements. | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish. ... ... What would he make of Israel's current penchant for industrial scale slaughter? And of the r ape and slaughter of young teenagers having fun at a rave If it's a war, target barracks or political figures, not young kids having a good time who pose no threat. " .... .... Equally don't bomb hospitals and kill Doctors. Israel's response to what Hamas did has been typically ott. | |||
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"It's funny how the pro Palestine mob forget what happened on October 7th 2023" .. ... That's just an assumption. Israel's brutality against the Palestinians has been going on for decades. Funny how those who turn a blind-eye to Israel's industrial scale slaughter forget this. Israel has committed more than one massacre itself over the years. #whatabout | |||
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"… Catholic’s are still denied full citizen rights in the UK. You can’t be one and Prime Minister nor have rights of succession … Slight error here. Catholics are allowed to be prime minister. We have had one. Boris Johnson was received into the Catholic Church during his premiership. There is only one limitation on a Catholic exercising the duties of a prime minister; he or she may not advise the monarch on the naming of a bishop in the Church of England. Whilst other non-Anglican PMs may do so, when the matter arose during the premierships of atheists or conformants of other creeds, I understand the Lord Chancellor or the Lord President of the Council have proffered the advice. The only political office from which a Catholic is barred is the Second Church Estates Commissioner. Boris was baptised a Catholic in the USA but when attending Eton he was confirmed as an Anglican. He did have one of his many children baptised catholic during his premiership. However it would be difficult to consider him as such. After all none of his marriages have been in a catholic church. Nor have any been annulled. The Catholic Church doesn’t recognise divorce. Even Tony Blair waited until he was out of Number 10 before converting. " Boris was baptised by a catholic priest - this however makes one a Christian but not catholic as any Christian can baptise. He was confirmed by a CoE bishop whilst attending CoE services so was dogmatically as well as self reverentially an Anglican. It is confirmation that Catholics, Angilcans and Orthodox hold that confirms one’s faith and one’s denomination. Catholics and Orthodox regard each others’ confirmations (and marriages and ordinations and Eucharist as valid) but neither recognise the confirmation of the Anglican communion as sacramental though they do recognise it as being definitive as to one joining a schismatic communion. Borris’s marriage in the CoE to a CoE conformant by a CoE priest was viewed from Catholic theology as spiritually invalid but temporally legal. His divorce saw the end of the legal marriage so when he relieved the Rite of Confirmation again from a Catholic bishop he was a conformant Catholic and without a Catholic or civil marriage, he could marry in a Catholic service which is both religious and legal in England. He did so at Westminster Cathedral and subsequently he is a Catholic in full communion with Rome and with his fully communicated and Catholicly married wife. | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish. ... ... What would he make of Israel's current penchant for industrial scale slaughter? And of the r ape and slaughter of young teenagers having fun at a rave If it's a war, target barracks or political figures, not young kids having a good time who pose no threat. .... .... Equally don't bomb hospitals and kill Doctors. Israel's response to what Hamas did has been typically ott. " Bombing hospitals was allegedly due to hamas using them as bases and hiding weapons there. What is the justification of the heinous events of 7th October and then parading a dead teenage girl's half naked body on the rear of pick up truck with an encouragement for civilians to come over to truck and punch or slap the girls lifeless body. I used to have sympathy for Palestinians but that all ended after October 7th occurred. Easy targets by these cowards like going in to a dance school and slaughtering little girls!! | |||
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"Yeah. It's always Israel's fault, never anyone else's. Not even those 'innocent' Palestinians dancing and jumping for joy at the massacre and handing out sweets let alone the lying propaganda Hamas and their ilk put out. Hamas did and always do start the trouble. For Israel and always will be. Viva the people of Israel." .... ... Viva Apartheid? Viva Land- settling? Thank god for decent Israeli citizens and thinkers who are able to see through the barbarism. Lying Propaganda. Ahem. Viva hypocrisy? | |||
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"Does make me smile how so many people forget that Jesus was Jewish. ... ... What would he make of Israel's current penchant for industrial scale slaughter? And of the r ape and slaughter of young teenagers having fun at a rave If it's a war, target barracks or political figures, not young kids having a good time who pose no threat. .... .... Equally don't bomb hospitals and kill Doctors. Israel's response to what Hamas did has been typically ott. Bombing hospitals was allegedly due to hamas using them as bases and hiding weapons there. What is the justification of the heinous events of 7th October and then parading a dead teenage girl's half naked body on the rear of pick up truck with an encouragement for civilians to come over to truck and punch or slap the girls lifeless body. I used to have sympathy for Palestinians but that all ended after October 7th occurred. Easy targets by these cowards like going in to a dance school and slaughtering little girls!!" ... .... Allegedly... Israeli propaganda or the truth. What is the justification for all the crimes committed over the decades? Cowards. Ironic. It's as if Israel has never committed atrocities... | |||
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"You've made your point many many times as you follow and respond to anything to do with Israel. Your opinions (as mine) won't change anyone elses . I read many posts on the forum and there you are.again and again. It's obvious your hatred for Israel, and to justify Hamas actions( which you will deny) shows what type of character you are. Shame on you as you really don't know anything. How would you feel if your pregnant wife was ra*ed, belly split open and baby beheaded. Children tied in a circle and set fire to. Justify that. Done with the likes of you and your kind. Israel has had ENOUGH." .... Again and again. Ahem. Me and my kind? That'll be people including Pope Francis who were able to see through the lies and propaganda. I know plenty. Perhaps you should read some Pappe or Chomsky and get a rational, objective insight into the barbarism. At no point whatsoever have I endorsed Hamas. What they did two Octobers was also barbaric. Making things up is certainly not what those with integrity do. Stick to facts rather than making accusations that have no basis in objective reality. | |||
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"BTW. THIS thread is about the pope not ISRAEL " ... Yet you've been happy enough to offer pro-israel rhetoric. I made a perfectly valid observation re Jesus/Israel. It's called debate. Francis to his credit played an integral part in the debate around Israel's inhumanity. And yes Hamas's as well. | |||
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"Indeed. Israel's apartheid means daily life for ordinary Palestinians is a dangerous grind. " Israel is a secular democracy. All Israeli citizens, regardless of ethnicity or religion, have the same right to participate in society, including operating a business, employment rights, participation in the political process including standing as a candidate and equal protection under the law including the ability to practise law and be appointed to the judiciary. There are Israeli Muslims in the parliament and high court judges. | |||
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"I was referring to the conditions imposed by Israel on those living on the Gaza Strip and on the West Bank.. Conditions that amount to apartheid. " Israel left Gaza in 2005 and relocated all the remaining resident Israeli Jews. Gaza has been under the control and governance of the democratically elected Hamas government, with oversight and assistance from external agencies appointed by the UN and outwith the control of Israel. | |||
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"Go visit and find out. They have a great pride festival. It's is allowed in in Israel. Talk to some of the Palestinian gay and lesbian refugees who were give asylum in Israel because their sexuality put them at risk of persecution including death in Gaza and the West Bank. " | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. " The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. | |||
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"The wall was there before. Btw The International Court of Justice, 2024 found that Israels occupation of Palestinian territories amounts to systematic discrimination re Article 3 of the International Convention Of The Elimination of Racial Discrimination. Btw2 Many would disagree-including Israeli Academics- that Palestinians living in Israel are treated equally. Thats a separate issue however from the imposed structural and institutionalised apartheid that courses daily life for Palestinians." So what is your solution. | |||
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"*courses through The issue of Palestinian refugees being denied the right of return is another thematic concern for those interested in the apartheid imposed by a democratic state (sic) 🇵🇸" So what is your solution? | |||
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"The wall was there before. Btw The International Court of Justice, 2024 found that Israels occupation of Palestinian territories amounts to systematic discrimination re Article 3 of the International Convention Of The Elimination of Racial Discrimination. Btw2 Many would disagree-including Israeli Academics- that Palestinians living in Israel are treated equally. Thats a separate issue however from the imposed structural and institutionalised apartheid that courses daily life for Palestinians. So what is your solution. " . .. .... Nice deflection lol. An end to Israel's hawkish ways? That's not happening overnight though is it. | |||
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"It is of course your choice not to actually dissect the points/themes raised around the overarching motif of apartheid. Sticks and stones rather than any serious attempt to debate.. Nae bother. Again, your choice. What a difference a day doesn't make! Viva glib questions! " You: Apartheid, State. Me: Not because... You: But Gaza Me: Gaza since 2005... You: But West bank, You: disingenuous (sticks and stones) deflection (sticks and stone) Me: Solutions? You: not serious attempt to debate. Mm OK. | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. " ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...?" Read the whole thread. | |||
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"It is of course your choice not to actually dissect the points/themes raised around the overarching motif of apartheid. Sticks and stones rather than any serious attempt to debate.. Nae bother. Again, your choice. What a difference a day doesn't make! Viva glib questions! You: Apartheid, State. Me: Not because... You: But Gaza Me: Gaza since 2005... You: But West bank, You: disingenuous (sticks and stones) deflection (sticks and stone) Me: Solutions? You: not serious attempt to debate. Mm OK. " .... ... Use of the word 'deflection' is surely not schoolboy 'You would know etc'... You chose to personalise. Again that's a matter of choice. My use of the word 'disingenous' certainly wasn't an attempt to personalise. Frightfully sorry if you took it as such. You offered nothing whatsoever re my mentioning of: So-called Apartheid Street Article 3 The Right of Palestinians to return Had you done so it might have allowed an opening up of a proper debate. It's not about me taking a cheap holiday in other people's misery,it was a vain attempt to try to discuss the day to day lives of Palestinians. The sources exist. They offer the inroads. 👍 | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? Read the whole thread. " ...answer the question | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? Read the whole thread. ...answer the question " Did you know that Trump wore a blue suit to the pope's funeral. | |||
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"*disingenuous 🙃" I'm dyslexic. feel good to mock? | |||
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"How much preparation is involved in organising the funeral? The logistics must be a nightmare with so many people present plus world leaders etc The funeral plan of a head of state is normally drawn up shortly after their appointment. For example, palace officials will already have discussed with Charles the plan for his, and there will be a huge document setting out all the arrangements." ... ... Surely to goodness the period of mourning won't be as long as last time? Was a bit excessive to say the least. (No offence meant) | |||
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"*disingenuous 🙃 I'm dyslexic. feel good to mock? " .... ... I never mocked you. I spelt it wrong hence my correction. Just in case the Spelling Polis were watching. I literally haven't paid any attention to your spelling. Do some research and you'll find I've always defended those who have incurred the wrath of the Spelling Polis... 👍 | |||
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"It is of course your choice not to actually dissect the points/themes raised around the overarching motif of apartheid. Sticks and stones rather than any serious attempt to debate.. Nae bother. Again, your choice. What a difference a day doesn't make! Viva glib questions! You: Apartheid, State. Me: Not because... You: But Gaza Me: Gaza since 2005... You: But West bank, You: disingenuous (sticks and stones) deflection (sticks and stone) Me: Solutions? You: not serious attempt to debate. Mm OK. .... ... Use of the word 'deflection' is surely not schoolboy 'You would know etc'... You chose to personalise. Again that's a matter of choice. My use of the word 'disingenous' certainly wasn't an attempt to personalise. Frightfully sorry if you took it as such. You offered nothing whatsoever re my mentioning of: So-called Apartheid Street Article 3 The Right of Palestinians to return Had you done so it might have allowed an opening up of a proper debate. It's not about me taking a cheap holiday in other people's misery,it was a vain attempt to try to discuss the day to day lives of Palestinians. The sources exist. They offer the inroads. 👍 " The chronology of the thread is critical and shows the first participant to resort to personalisation, by accusations of disingenuousness or accusations of deflection. It also diminishes the debate when any rebuttal is limited to a trite "disingenuous". | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? Read the whole thread. ...answer the question Did you know that Trump wore a blue suit to the pope's funeral. " ...so you can't answer...?...hahaha | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? Read the whole thread. ...answer the question Did you know that Trump wore a blue suit to the pope's funeral. ...so you can't answer...?...hahaha " I choose not to engage. Nobody owes you. The hysterical laughing doesn't prove the point that you think it does. | |||
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"All very well and fine disingenuous words they may well be yet neither of us are living under structural/institutionalised racial discrimination. The vagaries of Article Three. That's what Palestinians endure. Would you like to live next to a gigantic structural barrier? I wouldn't. Psychologically the existence of such a barrier must be telling. The events of Ocrober 7th, prove that Israel needs walls. ...so the world began on Oct 7th...? The idf never shot teenagers, dropped white phosphorus, evicted Palestinians from their homes and gave them to "settlers" before Oct 7th...? Read the whole thread. ...answer the question Did you know that Trump wore a blue suit to the pope's funeral. ...so you can't answer...?...hahaha I choose not to engage. Nobody owes you. The hysterical laughing doesn't prove the point that you think it does. " ...you choose not to engage, because you can't.... | |||
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"There was genuinely no attempt to personalise via use of those two words. Rather an attempt to start to dissect points made around the issue of apartheid was what I had hoped for. That wasn't to be. One is reminded of Orwell and the destruction of words/beauty. Ahem. In terms of mockery,other recent threads provide compelling examples.... One that discussed the death of a woman for starters. 👍 " The mockery was not of the woman, but of the dismissal of the possibility of nefarious activity as conspiracy theory. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump Just seen footage of the funeral… lots of blue suits. As someone else said…plenty of reasons not to like him, this isn’t one of them." I have no objection to blue, grey or black, but it's the shade of blue that the criminal has chosen which is offensive. Its not somber and certainly not suitable for a pope's funeral.] | |||
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"Fine words. " As a man of intelligence, you will also understand the notion of gallows humour. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump How ironic that the most vile expletive in the English language is used to criticise perceived disrespect, undermining the point entirely! Exactly. It's the pope's funeral but someone still has to have a dig at Trump. " To be fair, he should know how to behave. Should be able to check the acceptable dress codes and has the means to follow them. He actually tweeted that he was looking forward to being there with Melania. He is an absolute disgrace. | |||
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"Wise after the event." A well understood, and psychologically healthy, coping mechanism for attempting to deal with the real horrors that exist. | |||
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"The real horrors that come to the surface when people are sleekit are fairly.... interesting. Cop-outs that will of course fool some but not all. Such are the vagaries.. Is it genocide? " Urban warfare will always be brutal. Civilian casualties will always be high when the combatants are embedded and indistinguishable, and when the distinction between military and civilian targets has been deliberately obfuscated. Israel does have the capability to carpet bomb the entire region, but have chosen not to. | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel." Are you new? Find me a single forum post that stays on topic.
I've tried a few times to drag some of them back but it's like herding cats. | |||
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"The real horrors that come to the surface when people are sleekit are fairly.... interesting. Cop-outs that will of course fool some but not all. Such are the vagaries.. Is it genocide? Urban warfare will always be brutal. Civilian casualties will always be high when the combatants are embedded and indistinguishable, and when the distinction between military and civilian targets has been deliberately obfuscated. Israel does have the capability to carpet bomb the entire region, but have chosen not to. " ...they made a fairly good attempt at it...hahaha | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel." .... .... HH lol John Paul in goal. Celebrating the Pope's XI winning 55. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump What colour is zelinskys suit ?" Zelenskyy didn't wear a suit. That disrespectful cunt Prince William wore a blue suit too. Maybe the palace, like the White House, know that that's fine at an Italian Funeral. | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel. .... .... HH lol John Paul in goal. Celebrating the Pope's XI winning 55." Sorry but I don't speak Aberdeenish  | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel. Are you new? Find me a single forum post that stays on topic.
I've tried a few times to drag some of them back but it's like herding cats. "Far from new and well aware that most threads--especially political or semi-political one--tend to go right off topic. Used to be turning thread to Brexit. Then anti-Boris. Now, more recently, anti-Trump. | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . By addressing him as "Mr," trump would likely think you were an "ignorant cunt!" 😂 The narcissistic, convicted con man and sexual predator prefers 'Sir,' or 'President.'" Probably safer with 'Dictator' or Dick Head'. Odious and incompetent. Unless attempting to crash your own economy is seen as bright? | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel. Are you new? Find me a single forum post that stays on topic.
I've tried a few times to drag some of them back but it's like herding cats.
Far from new and well aware that most threads--especially political or semi-political one--tend to go right off topic. Used to be turning thread to Brexit. Then anti-Boris. Now, more recently, anti-Trump. "I think this one managed to stay clear of Brexit, until both you and I mentioned it Doh! We should have forum bingo. | |||
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"That was Timothian me old china." Still none the wiser | |||
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"You know I honestly though HH Pope Francis's funeral was held in Rome and not Gaza or Israel. Are you new? Find me a single forum post that stays on topic.
I've tried a few times to drag some of them back but it's like herding cats.
Far from new and well aware that most threads--especially political or semi-political one--tend to go right off topic. Used to be turning thread to Brexit. Then anti-Boris. Now, more recently, anti-Trump. "...the poor man gets vilified from all sides....Nice to see a few of his supporters here all the same... | |||
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"The Vatican isn't really about religion. It's the 3rd most significant dynasty in the empire created by the Knights Templar. This rules Westminster, Washington and the EU amongst othe countries" 
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"That was Timothian me old china. Still none the wiser" .... .. HH or Hail Hail as said by Celtic Supporters.... The Popes XI/Celtic Tim/Timothy: Someone who supports Celtic 🍀 | |||
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"That disrespectful cunt is wearing blue. Yes, Trump You obviously have no idea about Mr Trump ? and stopping war in Ukraine looking after USA putting them first. The only modern day President to have never started a war . Getting rid all rubbish out their country , while we import all criminal elements from Africa and Middle East Where they let thousands prisoners out on the proviso they left Middle East moved to Europe. That was the Emirates cleric said that. We got rid criminals and unemployable unwanted unintelligent. And those who have terrorist thought We don’t want them here . . You don’t see their behaviour here as you do in Europe. How true he is . How did Mr Trump , let this labour Government off the hook , after what they said about him . Is absolute miracle. Mind you he probably thinks Starmer, and Rayner Lammy just bunch ignorant cunts . " ...wasn't he supposed to stop the war in Ukraine on day one...? | |||
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