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"Na , I reckon further managed decline, destruction of any credible opposition, and in three years a weak labour that destroys the party . After five from now we get the anti christ garage and client corporate government but populist soundbyte. " Anti Christ Garage would be a good name for a death-metal band that does Nirvana covers.  | |||
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"Na , I reckon further managed decline, destruction of any credible opposition, and in three years a weak labour that destroys the party . After five from now we get the anti christ garage and client corporate government but populist soundbyte. Anti Christ Garage would be a good name for a death-metal band that does Nirvana covers. "Christians in the US were aghast at Elvis Presley's satanic hip swiveling in his early days, so Elvis Fronted Nirvana fit the bill magnificently. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years " Labour reminds us every day, they are a broken record and it's their only excuse whilst they continue to destroy the UK | |||
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"I have worked in the building trade all my life There is not one party i can vote for anymore, cant stand this liar Starmer" And you've summed it up mate, shower of lying bastards the lot of them !! | |||
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"The Labour Party said they wouldn’t hurt working people. They hiked employers NI to the projected point where my employer couldn’t afford it, so our hours were cut, to reduce costs, we lost money and the government lost tax and our NI too, great actions Rachel Theif !" There's going to be a lot more of this to come too. Tax revenues are actually down! The wealthy are leaving in increasing numbers, leaving the rest to fill the void. Think Labour have realised their stupidity at targeting non-doms | |||
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"They are politicians " This is exactly the answer… It’s like the old saying goes, how can you tell when a politician is lying?? Their lips are moving! Doesn’t matter what the party, none of them keep to pre-election promises, that’s just things they say to get the gullible to vote for them. | |||
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"They are politicians This is exactly the answer… It’s like the old saying goes, how can you tell when a politician is lying?? Their lips are moving! Doesn’t matter what the party, none of them keep to pre-election promises, that’s just things they say to get the gullible to vote for them. " So true !! | |||
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"Have you forgotten how shite the Tories were? " That line doesn't work.. they said they were better!!!!! | |||
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"The Labour Party said they wouldn’t hurt working people. They hiked employers NI to the projected point where my employer couldn’t afford it, so our hours were cut, to reduce costs, we lost money and the government lost tax and our NI too, great actions Rachel Theif ! There's going to be a lot more of this to come too. Tax revenues are actually down! The wealthy are leaving in increasing numbers, leaving the rest to fill the void. Think Labour have realised their stupidity at targeting non-doms " Since non-doms by definition were avoiding tax in the first place… | |||
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"When they said they wouldn't do this that the other they gone back on their word " If you're expecting Farage and co to be any different please don't hold your breath. | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....)" Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash?  | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? "that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree "Reform has no interest in making things better but simply making themselves Rich or richer. If you pay money to reform you are putting money into Farage’s pocket because Reform is a company owned by Farage. He now admits he lied over Brexit, look at how he shivered the fishing industry. He has visited the USA more times than his constituency. Reform want to scrap the NHS and replace it with an American “style” health system I.E pay for everything. | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree
Reform has no interest in making things better but simply making themselves Rich or richer. If you pay money to reform you are putting money into Farage’s pocket because Reform is a company owned by Farage. He now admits he lied over Brexit, look at how he shivered the fishing industry. He has visited the USA more times than his constituency. Reform want to scrap the NHS and replace it with an American “style” health system I.E pay for everything. "what’s the answer then ? Put up & shut up ? - have you tried getting a DR’s appointment lately? Can’t get a dentist either unless you pay privately Why is it an either or situation? Labour or conservative are both terrible at the job in hand - we need an overhaul of the system- the system designed to fuck us all over | |||
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"Don't know why anyone was surprised. Elect a Blairite government, get a Blairite government. " True but it’s still better than a Tory government | |||
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"Don't know why anyone was surprised. Elect a Blairite government, get a Blairite government. True but it’s still better than a Tory government" Like a comparison between horse shit and cow shit. | |||
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"A completly useless government who do not listen to the average white family and are only interested in their own agenda " Whose agenda should they be interested in ? Liberals ? Toriea? | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree "Is the ‘reform’ with a small r, or Reform with a large R? Because if it’s the latter and there is any hope anything will change for the better , then believing in them is going to be a bigger wake up call, and lying by omission…( they omit policies altogether, omit to mention it’s a company not a political party etc) is their modus operandi. | |||
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"Anybody know what in hell is an “average white family”!?!?!?" 3.4 kids. 3.4 fathers, 48% body fat. | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree
Is the ‘reform’ with a small r, or Reform with a large R? Because if it’s the latter and there is any hope anything will change for the better , then believing in them is going to be a bigger wake up call, and lying by omission…( they omit policies altogether, omit to mention it’s a company not a political party etc) is their modus operandi."we need a reform of the whole institution- doesn’t matter how you spell it , nitpicking over language, words & feelings got us into this shite ( with an E) | |||
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"Have you forgotten how shite the Tories were? " On what planet is Labour better?  | |||
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"Have you forgotten how shite the Tories were? On what planet is Labour better? "Planet earth .. now | |||
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General strikes are the only way, this government would crumble quickly. | |||
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"Have you forgotten how shite the Tories were? On what planet is Labour better? "Uranus probably | |||
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"Public have no confidence in any of them anymore After every election it’s xxx left a £billion black hole These are supposed to be the best educated people in the business to run the country " We don't have colonies to rob anymore.  | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....) Isn't that what the tories did by blaming Labour for having no money left after a worldwide crash? that’s why we need reform- I’m glad you agree
Is the ‘reform’ with a small r, or Reform with a large R? Because if it’s the latter and there is any hope anything will change for the better , then believing in them is going to be a bigger wake up call, and lying by omission…( they omit policies altogether, omit to mention it’s a company not a political party etc) is their modus operandi.we need a reform of the whole institution- doesn’t matter how you spell it , nitpicking over language, words & feelings got us into this shite ( with an E) "If it is nitpicking to establish if the discussion was proceeding on a reform the system footing which I can agree with, but how? Or a Reform the political entity taking power, which I cannot agree on and why would that be a solution? Then guilty as charged , it seems logical to me to be aware of peoples positions. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years " Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 " Have your black shirt? Don't worry that's one trade deal we have in place! Buy your emblem from the party and fund good old Nige and Zia! (Sorry I mean "reform 2025 " of course, and not it's owners and multi billionaire sponsors, who of course have UK people's interest at heart!) | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Have your black shirt? Don't worry that's one trade deal we have in place! Buy your emblem from the party and fund good old Nige and Zia! (Sorry I mean "reform 2025 " of course, and not it's owners and multi billionaire sponsors, who of course have UK people's interest at heart!)" Like I said I despair, how can people be so gullible... Astonishing. Mx 😜 | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 " Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you? | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 " Reform is basically a one-trick-pony run by a one-man-band. They say what people want to hear but doubt, even if given the opportunity, they could or would carry it out. Their economic policies are laughable. St Nige is really only a campaigner, an influencer, a rabble rouser. His attendance and voting record in the EU parliament was abysmal. Not much better now he's in Westminster. More interested in swanning around and getting himself on TV than getting on with parliamentary work. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you?" | |||
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"Can’t believe the lack of empathy here , given this is an LGBT friendly site; The mainstreaming of extreme views is just the start. Heard enough of “ the average white family” and “Everyone agrees with Katy Hopkins”." ?????????????????????????????? Must have missed the post about Katy Hopkins and the average white family. Also why aren't LGBT+++ people allowed to say anything against this Labour government? | |||
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"Bring back Truss. " I believe she's busy. She just started her new job at Spain's energy generator yesterday. | |||
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"If you think things are bad now, just wait for how dire they'll be in about four years. " What if the Tories get back in? | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years " Ahhh, remember the coalition years? Or when the DUP propped up Mrs May? | |||
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"Can’t believe the lack of empathy here , given this is an LGBT friendly site; The mainstreaming of extreme views is just the start. Heard enough of “ the average white family” and “Everyone agrees with Katy Hopkins”." Are the average white family similar to the average white band? | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you?" What do you think of Zia Yusuf? | |||
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"If you think things are bad now, just wait for how dire they'll be in about four years. What if the Tories get back in?" They are presently in no fit shape to govern .... No idea if that will change for the better in the next four years. The prospect of an abysmally inept Labour government going up against a pathetically hopeless Conservative opposition is deeply worrying. | |||
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"Never known a labour government to be lying so blatantly to the British people it's like they hate them " No they don't hate us, they just don't give a fuck about us. Most of the bastards on both min parties are millionaires or nearly so or, in fact multi millionaires. Labour millionares???. As I said before, Kier Hardy will be spinning in his grave !!! | |||
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"Never known a labour government to be lying so blatantly to the British people it's like they hate them No they don't hate us, they just don't give a fuck about us. Most of the bastards on both min parties are millionaires or nearly so or, in fact multi millionaires. Labour millionares???. As I said before, Kier Hardy will be spinning in his grave !!!" You're right, today's Labour party is a shadow of its former, proud self | |||
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"If you think things are bad now, just wait for how dire they'll be in about four years. What if the Tories get back in? They are presently in no fit shape to govern .... No idea if that will change for the better in the next four years. The prospect of an abysmally inept Labour government going up against a pathetically hopeless Conservative opposition is deeply worrying. " Not if your Nigel Farage it's not. Utter shambles and no signs of anything or anyone to change it from either party. Mx  | |||
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"Can’t believe the lack of empathy here , given this is an LGBT friendly site; The mainstreaming of extreme views is just the start. Heard enough of “ the average white family” and “Everyone agrees with Katy Hopkins”. Are the average white family similar to the average white band?" Well I guess they both pick up the pieces.. | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....)" . 14 yrs of COVID, Suez crisis, global energy crisis and a war, and we all came through a lot better off than we are now. All you blinkered labourites will have to face reality sooner or later. This is LABOUR destroying all you hoped for. This is now. Not in the past. Now | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....). 14 yrs of COVID, Suez crisis, global energy crisis and a war, and we all came through a lot better off than we are now. All you blinkered labourites will have to face reality sooner or later. This is LABOUR destroying all you hoped for. This is now. Not in the past. Now" While Call me Dave , The Maybot, Bojo the clown,Truss the Imbecile and Rishi the City boy destroyed everything that real Conservatives stood for hmmm ... Have a look in the mirror son , you have been dumped and dumped on. 🤣 Mx 👿 | |||
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"When they said they wouldn't do this that the other they gone back on their word " How? Do you realise what the conservatives left them? What global head wins they face? Is the change they promised happening quick enough NO! But the last lot had 14 years to get us to this state. 10 months isn't enough to turn the tanker around | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....). 14 yrs of COVID, Suez crisis, global energy crisis and a war, and we all came through a lot better off than we are now. All you blinkered labourites will have to face reality sooner or later. This is LABOUR destroying all you hoped for. This is now. Not in the past. Now" 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺👍👍👍 | |||
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"Only four years, an economic crash and an IMF bail-out to go, until we change them. "Looool, 49 day prime minister because the markets disliked free markets Truss | |||
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"All politicians lie." People who say this don't understand the language a politician has to use to communicate to the public/bachnenchers and to keep the markets calm. If Uncle Nige got in and spoke as he did, what do you think the markets would do? If people had brains and used them we'd be flying | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....). 14 yrs of COVID, Suez crisis, global energy crisis and a war, and we all came through a lot better off than we are now. All you blinkered labourites will have to face reality sooner or later. This is LABOUR destroying all you hoped for. This is now. Not in the past. Now" The Suez crisis was in 1956 under a Conservative government. | |||
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"It's almost like Brexit was a bad Idea leaving all of us with less money." And who was the godfather? And who do the hard of thinking want as the next PM? And how do we think that's gonna go? , 
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"Don't know why anyone was surprised. Elect a Blairite government, get a Blairite government. " Don't remember Blair talking about privatisation. This lot are a lot more interventinalist than Blair. They don't have the economic wiggly room Blair had, granted. But a fun 4 years ahead | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you? What do you think of Zia Yusuf?" Back to this again, brown people confirming your biases. They're only good brown people if they agree with me | |||
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"If you think things are bad now, just wait for how dire they'll be in about four years. What if the Tories get back in? They are presently in no fit shape to govern .... No idea if that will change for the better in the next four years. The prospect of an abysmally inept Labour government going up against a pathetically hopeless Conservative opposition is deeply worrying. " This is probably why the Faragista Party Mk 3 aka Reform is riding high at the moment. After 8/9 month Labour have shown little sign of competence in government and the Conservatives are still in a state of shattered shock after last year's devastating defeat. However we are not going to get a general election for 4 years whatever yarn dear old Nige tries to spin us. By then Labour could possibly have found their way or proved a complete disaster. The Conservatives might have regrouped as a real force again. And Nigel's bubble might have burst. | |||
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"When they said they wouldn't do this that the other they gone back on their word " Such as? | |||
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"If you think things are bad now, just wait for how dire they'll be in about four years. What if the Tories get back in? They are presently in no fit shape to govern .... No idea if that will change for the better in the next four years. The prospect of an abysmally inept Labour government going up against a pathetically hopeless Conservative opposition is deeply worrying. This is probably why the Faragista Party Mk 3 aka Reform is riding high at the moment. After 8/9 month Labour have shown little sign of competence in government and the Conservatives are still in a state of shattered shock after last year's devastating defeat. However we are not going to get a general election for 4 years whatever yarn dear old Nige tries to spin us. By then Labour could possibly have found their way or proved a complete disaster. The Conservatives might have regrouped as a real force again. And Nigel's bubble might have burst." In a rare blue moon occasion I agree | |||
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"Surely you must admire the sheer political skill of Rachel from Accounts and Angela from the Estate ?" Looks like you get your information from Karen on Facebook. | |||
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"Yes, oldest trick in the book, blame the previous party rather than get on with sorting things! All we hear is th whinging " well we're only trying to sort out14 yesr of.....). 14 yrs of COVID, Suez crisis, global energy crisis and a war, and we all came through a lot better off than we are now. All you blinkered labourites will have to face reality sooner or later. This is LABOUR destroying all you hoped for. This is now. Not in the past. Now" Mate, even women can't give birth for the length of period these lot have been in power. You expect the Titanic of an economy inherited of the last 14 years to be spun around in less then a female gestation period | |||
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"Neither of the main parties has the balls or interest to address the massive financial and social toll presented by a bunch of amateur sailors in dinghies from ToysRus. They can lock up people within days for nasty tweets, but it takes them 20 years to consider an enquiry for industrialised gang r#pe. Don't blame Reform if they get in. Blame the failures in power. " It does help the online twats leave digital fingerprints. Where as historical pedo crimes don't leave anything but mental scars. Like comparing apples and bananas really But hey it's the time of Idiocracy | |||
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"We could always be the 52nd state after Canada " Greenland and Panama | |||
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"Never known a labour government to be lying so blatantly to the British people it's like they hate them " About what? | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you? What do you think of Zia Yusuf?" It reminds me of when you used to hear people say "I can't be racist, I have a Black friend". Not Fagash obvs as he was still liberally (ha!) spraying around the N word at that point by all accounts. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Still spinning the same old boring line. Labour were crap in opposition, and are even worse now in power. Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 Why would I want to vote for an undemocratic limited company of racists? More importantly, why would you? What do you think of Zia Yusuf? It reminds me of when you used to hear people say "I can't be racist, I have a Black friend". Not Fagash obvs as he was still liberally (ha!) spraying around the N word at that point by all accounts." It reminds me of Elton John being married or even better Michael Barrymore and his wife or swimming friends | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Labour reminds us every day, they are a broken record and it's their only excuse whilst they continue to destroy the UK " I agree entirely, instead of getting on with the job of effectively managing the country, this Labour Government seems more interested in hiding their own gross incompetence behind a smokescreen of what the previous government did or didn't do. It's time to stop making excuses and start taking responsibility. Starmer and his inept cronies have stumbled from one misstep to another since taking office in July last year. One of their most egregious blunders was the heartless decision to scrap winter fuel allowances worth up to £300 for 10 million pensioners, a move that sparked widespread outrage. The fact that 50 Labour MPs abstained from voting against this cruel cut only adds to the shame. The government's refusal to lift the two-child cap on child benefit has left countless low-income families facing an impossible choice between feeding their children and heating their homes. This callous decision is a stark reminder of Labour's willingness to sacrifice the most vulnerable for the sake of fiscal prudence. The introduction of Operation Early Dawn, which releases prisoners early to ease overcrowding, has raised serious concerns about public safety. This knee-jerk reaction to a crisis of the government's own making has left many questioning whether Labour prioritises the safety of citizens or the comfort of convicted criminals. The government's budget decisions have been a disaster. Raising national insurance for employers will stifle job growth and crush small businesses. The decision to remove Agricultural Property Relief from inheritance tax has sparked fury among farmers, who fear being forced to sell their land and assets to pay hefty tax bills, potentially destroying the family farm. This move threatens the very fabric of Britain's agricultural industry. Changes to Air Passenger Duty will only make travel more expensive for families. Meanwhile, the government's failure to effectively address the migrant crisis is costing taxpayers millions of pounds per day, with little sign of a coherent strategy to manage immigration and protect public resources. This lack of leadership and vision is leaving many of the UK electorate feeling frustrated, annoyed and disillusioned. Furthermore, the government's weakness in the face of industrial action has been embarrassingly evident, particularly in their capitulation to train drivers' demands for a hefty wage rise. By caving to union pressure, Labour has set a damaging precedent, prioritising the interests of union members over those of taxpayers and passengers. This lack of resolve has raised serious questions about the government's ability to stand up to militant unions and manage the country's vital infrastructure. Starmer's acceptance of lavish gifts from wealthy donors has raised serious questions about his integrity. The fact that Labour ministers have also received freebies and VIP treatment only adds to the stench of corruption. As the government struggles to contain nationwide riots and prison overcrowding, it's clear they're in way over their heads. Rachel Reeves' announcement of a "black hole" in public finances is a damning indictment of Labour's economic incompetence. With each passing day, it's becoming increasingly clear that this government is more interested in lining the pockets of its donors than serving the needs of the British people. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Labour reminds us every day, they are a broken record and it's their only excuse whilst they continue to destroy the UK I agree entirely, instead of getting on with the job of effectively managing the country, this Labour Government seems more interested in hiding their own gross incompetence behind a smokescreen of what the previous government did or didn't do. It's time to stop making excuses and start taking responsibility. Starmer and his inept cronies have stumbled from one misstep to another since taking office in July last year. One of their most egregious blunders was the heartless decision to scrap winter fuel allowances worth up to £300 for 10 million pensioners, a move that sparked widespread outrage. The fact that 50 Labour MPs abstained from voting against this cruel cut only adds to the shame. The government's refusal to lift the two-child cap on child benefit has left countless low-income families facing an impossible choice between feeding their children and heating their homes. This callous decision is a stark reminder of Labour's willingness to sacrifice the most vulnerable for the sake of fiscal prudence. The introduction of Operation Early Dawn, which releases prisoners early to ease overcrowding, has raised serious concerns about public safety. This knee-jerk reaction to a crisis of the government's own making has left many questioning whether Labour prioritises the safety of citizens or the comfort of convicted criminals. The government's budget decisions have been a disaster. Raising national insurance for employers will stifle job growth and crush small businesses. The decision to remove Agricultural Property Relief from inheritance tax has sparked fury among farmers, who fear being forced to sell their land and assets to pay hefty tax bills, potentially destroying the family farm. This move threatens the very fabric of Britain's agricultural industry. Changes to Air Passenger Duty will only make travel more expensive for families. Meanwhile, the government's failure to effectively address the migrant crisis is costing taxpayers millions of pounds per day, with little sign of a coherent strategy to manage immigration and protect public resources. This lack of leadership and vision is leaving many of the UK electorate feeling frustrated, annoyed and disillusioned. Furthermore, the government's weakness in the face of industrial action has been embarrassingly evident, particularly in their capitulation to train drivers' demands for a hefty wage rise. By caving to union pressure, Labour has set a damaging precedent, prioritising the interests of union members over those of taxpayers and passengers. This lack of resolve has raised serious questions about the government's ability to stand up to militant unions and manage the country's vital infrastructure. Starmer's acceptance of lavish gifts from wealthy donors has raised serious questions about his integrity. The fact that Labour ministers have also received freebies and VIP treatment only adds to the stench of corruption. As the government struggles to contain nationwide riots and prison overcrowding, it's clear they're in way over their heads. Rachel Reeves' announcement of a "black hole" in public finances is a damning indictment of Labour's economic incompetence. With each passing day, it's becoming increasingly clear that this government is more interested in lining the pockets of its donors than serving the needs of the British people. " Dear me, and who handed them this mantel? Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them | |||
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"Tax wealth Not Work. All our problems are due to wealth inequality. The rich are massively richer than they used to be. Remember the good old days of the 60s and 70s? The rich were taxed at 90%. Now even the middle class are getting squeezed financially. Governments too are more and more in debt. All the money in the world is accumulated with the super rich. Tax them and things go back to normal. The "Tax the Rich" argument oversimplifies complex economic issues. High tax rates haven't necessarily led to equality or stability in the past, and could discourage investment and entrepreneurship. The root causes of economic challenges, such as government debt and middle-class pressures, are multifaceted and can't be solved by simply taxing the rich. Effective economic policy requires a comprehensive approach, considering factors such as education, innovation, and social safety nets to promote sustainable growth and fairness. " Hmmm, may I point you to the happiest countries on earth, Finland, Denmark Sweden, care to tell me what their tax rates compared to Britain is. And as some fun what did they do with their oil intake and what did Maggie do? | |||
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"Tax wealth Not Work. All our problems are due to wealth inequality. The rich are massively richer than they used to be. Remember the good old days of the 60s and 70s? The rich were taxed at 90%. Now even the middle class are getting squeezed financially. Governments too are more and more in debt. All the money in the world is accumulated with the super rich. Tax them and things go back to normal. The "Tax the Rich" argument oversimplifies complex economic issues. High tax rates haven't necessarily led to equality or stability in the past, and could discourage investment and entrepreneurship. The root causes of economic challenges, such as government debt and middle-class pressures, are multifaceted and can't be solved by simply taxing the rich. Effective economic policy requires a comprehensive approach, considering factors such as education, innovation, and social safety nets to promote sustainable growth and fairness. Hmmm, may I point you to the happiest countries on earth, Finland, Denmark Sweden, care to tell me what their tax rates compared to Britain is. And as some fun what did they do with their oil intake and what did Maggie do?" Also Norway belongs here, sorry any norwegio | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them Another feeble and predictable attempt at a personal insult, Mr BigDickEnergy, this one falling flat with its lack of substance. Your condescending tone says far more about you than it does about the argument at hand. Perhaps it's time to focus on addressing the points rather than resorting to hollow jabs, don't you think? " Possibly, if I was an actual candidate! Otherwise no, fuck up! It's a debate not a speech for candidacies | |||
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"Tax wealth Not Work. All our problems are due to wealth inequality. The rich are massively richer than they used to be. Remember the good old days of the 60s and 70s? The rich were taxed at 90%. Now even the middle class are getting squeezed financially. Governments too are more and more in debt. All the money in the world is accumulated with the super rich. Tax them and things go back to normal. The "Tax the Rich" argument oversimplifies complex economic issues. High tax rates haven't necessarily led to equality or stability in the past, and could discourage investment and entrepreneurship. The root causes of economic challenges, such as government debt and middle-class pressures, are multifaceted and can't be solved by simply taxing the rich. Effective economic policy requires a comprehensive approach, considering factors such as education, innovation, and social safety nets to promote sustainable growth and fairness. Certainly. But all those things start from low inequality. Thanks, although low inequality isn't a magic bullet. Many countries with low inequality have struggled with economic stagnation, lack of innovation, or brain drain. Singapore, for example, prioritises economic growth and innovation over low inequality, and it's become a high-growth economy. Perhaps focusing solely on reducing inequality overlooks other crucial factors like economic dynamism, entrepreneurship, and global competitiveness? " Or happiness, how content an Individual is? | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them Another feeble and predictable attempt at a personal insult, Mr BigDickEnergy, this one falling flat with its lack of substance. Your condescending tone says far more about you than it does about the argument at hand. Perhaps it's time to focus on addressing the points rather than resorting to hollow jabs, don't you think? Possibly, if I was an actual candidate! Otherwise no, fuck up! It's a debate not a speech for candidacies " Mr BigDickEnergy, your continued reliance on insults and expletives speaks volumes about your debating style. It's clear that meaningful discussion is not your forte, and further engagement would likely devolve into more of the same. Perhaps it's best to acknowledge the futility of debating when substance gives way to hostility. On that note I have no wish to engage in any further debate until you conduct yourself in a more respectful and courteous manner! | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them Another feeble and predictable attempt at a personal insult, Mr BigDickEnergy, this one falling flat with its lack of substance. Your condescending tone says far more about you than it does about the argument at hand. Perhaps it's time to focus on addressing the points rather than resorting to hollow jabs, don't you think? Possibly, if I was an actual candidate! Otherwise no, fuck up! It's a debate not a speech for candidacies Mr BigDickEnergy, your continued reliance on insults and expletives speaks volumes about your debating style. It's clear that meaningful discussion is not your forte, and further engagement would likely devolve into more of the same. Perhaps it's best to acknowledge the futility of debating when substance gives way to hostility. On that note I have no wish to engage in any further debate until you conduct yourself in a more respectful and courteous manner! " Loool. How about those Scandinavian oil reserves? Did they or did they not pay off better than Maggie's privatisation,m | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them Another feeble and predictable attempt at a personal insult, Mr BigDickEnergy, this one falling flat with its lack of substance. Your condescending tone says far more about you than it does about the argument at hand. Perhaps it's time to focus on addressing the points rather than resorting to hollow jabs, don't you think? Possibly, if I was an actual candidate! Otherwise no, fuck up! It's a debate not a speech for candidacies Mr BigDickEnergy, your continued reliance on insults and expletives speaks volumes about your debating style. It's clear that meaningful discussion is not your forte, and further engagement would likely devolve into more of the same. Perhaps it's best to acknowledge the futility of debating when substance gives way to hostility. On that note I have no wish to engage in any further debate until you conduct yourself in a more respectful and courteous manner! " Are you JRM, why you so sensitive!! This is how real people talk, reform | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skiminh them Another feeble and predictable attempt at a personal insult, Mr BigDickEnergy, this one falling flat with its lack of substance. Your condescending tone says far more about you than it does about the argument at hand. Perhaps it's time to focus on addressing the points rather than resorting to hollow jabs, don't you think? Possibly, if I was an actual candidate! Otherwise no, fuck up! It's a debate not a speech for candidacies Mr BigDickEnergy, your continued reliance on insults and expletives speaks volumes about your debating style. It's clear that meaningful discussion is not your forte, and further engagement would likely devolve into more of the same. Perhaps it's best to acknowledge the futility of debating when substance gives way to hostility. On that note I have no wish to engage in any further debate until you conduct yourself in a more respectful and courteous manner! Loool. How about those Scandinavian oil reserves? Did they or did they not pay off better than Maggie's privatisation,m" Please refer to my previous statement and I would add that by changing the subject to Scandinavian oil reserves this doesn't address the issue at hand. Diversionary tactics along with personal attacks and insults never strengthen an argument, so let's not pretend this is relevant to our previous discussion. | |||
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"So boring " Yes, sadly you are indeed old chap, you are indeed, perhaps take up another pastime instead of forum trolling, an outdoor pursuit perhaps,such as rock climbing for example, it's good for the soul, improves the mind too I hear! Give it a try, why don't you!! 😊👍 | |||
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"Surely you must admire the sheer political skill of Rachel from Accounts and Angela from the Estate ? Looks like you get your information from Karen on Facebook. " I actually knew Angela from a work perspective. Where do you get your information about her from? | |||
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"When they said they wouldn't do this that the other they gone back on their word Such as?" No council tax rises They wont stop the winter fuel allowance Stand with WASPI women and reverse the decision straight away There are many more | |||
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" Vote Reform 🩵🇬🇧 " Ah yes, vote for the party that: - wants to abolish your right not to be discriminated against because you are gay, black, lesbian, disabled etc - wants to abolish your right to life - wants to abolish your right not to be tortured by the state - wants to abolish your right not to be subject to forced labour - wants to abolish your right to liberty and security - wants to abolish your right to a fair trial - wants to abolish your right not to be punished without due process - wants to abolish your right to a private life free from unreasonable interference by the state - wants to abolish your right to freedom of belief and expression - wants to abolish your right to freedom of assembly and association - wants to abolish your right to marry and start a family - wants to abolish your right to peaceful enjoyment of your property - wants to abolish your right to education - wants to abolish your right to participate in free elections What could possibly go wrong? | |||
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"Have you tried not to be such an insufferable bore? We may actually read your posts instead of skimming them " Oh come on now Mr BDE. Talk about pot calling kettle. Mr D from North Wales makes many valid articulate points. You often waffle endlessly in your attempts to justify your government | |||
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"I am still waiting for trains to be natinalis3d. The prices have gone to the roof mm" The UK's rail travel woes stem largely from prolonged underinvestment and neglect during its previous nationalisation, compounded by industrial disputes and unrealistic union demands. However, privatisation has proven no panacea either, leaving the issue a stubbornly complex one to resolve. | |||
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"Have you forgotten how shite the Tories were? " No but Labour are worse, we have to turn eleewhere now. | |||
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" And you've summed it up mate, shower of lying bastards the lot of them !!" Very true. My neighbour summed up the independence movement thus. All politicians are lying bastards. With independence, they will be our lying bastards and we can kick them out. Scotland, even if 100% of us voted against Labour, we cannot kick out the lying bastards. | |||
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"I love the affronted nature of those who hate the colour red. Perfectly happy to justify anything their party did for 14 years and now, totally affronted by the indisputable fact that, wether they like it or not, that the vast majority of people believe labour is doing a good job. Sydney university is studying the effects of echo chambers and the early results suggest very little skin left on the knuckles. " The vast majority of people believe Labour are doing a good job ??? Where do you get this info from Lying bastards the lot of them with a very weak leader As i said earlier, building trade worker all my life, please tell me who do i votr for now - can never vote Tory, labour a disgrace, what is left for me. Wish Denis Skinner was still around | |||
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"It’s a cycle we had 14 years of labour who inherited a good economy they blew it and left a 152 billion deficit. You then have 14 years of Tory who give us austerity to balance the books but failed at everything else we vote them out for what they don’t do, labour come in and inherit the fastest growing economy in the G7 and straight away trash the economy and go on a spending spree that they don’t have the money for" Our economy grew by 2.5% a year for 10 years under New Labour. It has been pretty much stagnant ever since. | |||
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"It’s a cycle we had 14 years of labour who inherited a good economy they blew it and left a 152 billion deficit. You then have 14 years of Tory who give us austerity to balance the books but failed at everything else we vote them out for what they don’t do, labour come in and inherit the fastest growing economy in the G7 and straight away trash the economy and go on a spending spree that they don’t have the money for" When Blair took office the economy was stabilising after a Tory recession. It was not considered to be a 'good economy'. Labour left office off the back of a world recession from 2008, which had not recovered by 2010. The G7 growth was only in the first quarter of 2024, off the back of lower growth the year before. The economy was in decline by the election of 24. The facts are out there if you look. | |||
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"I love the affronted nature of those who hate the colour red. Perfectly happy to justify anything their party did for 14 years and now, totally affronted by the indisputable fact that, wether they like it or not, that the vast majority of people believe labour is doing a good job. Sydney university is studying the effects of echo chambers and the early results suggest very little skin left on the knuckles. " Really??? Wonder how they managed to stay in power for so long. Won, or at least came out top, in four general elections. Including, after nearly ten long years, the rather decisive victory in 2019. We 'Blues'--by which I mean proper blue and not that wishy-washy version adopted by the Faragista--don't actually hate you 'Reds'. We may not support you but we were prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. So far your government has done little to make us think you are capable of governing and improving the country. As for the vast majority supporting them that may be true in the little Labour stronghold where you live but do not think it is a general feeling. True opinion polls are notoriously unreliable but most are coming up with a general countrywide dissatisfaction with your government. Remember that, despite their vast Commons majority they only got 35% of the 60% of the voters who bothered to vote last July. | |||
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"Wait until you hear what the tories did for the last 14 years Labour reminds us every day, they are a broken record and it's their only excuse whilst they continue to destroy the UK I agree entirely, instead of getting on with the job of effectively managing the country, this Labour Government seems more interested in hiding their own gross incompetence behind a smokescreen of what the previous government did or didn't do. It's time to stop making excuses and start taking responsibility. Starmer and his inept cronies have stumbled from one misstep to another since taking office in July last year. One of their most egregious blunders was the heartless decision to scrap winter fuel allowances worth up to £300 for 10 million pensioners, a move that sparked widespread outrage. The fact that 50 Labour MPs abstained from voting against this cruel cut only adds to the shame. The government's refusal to lift the two-child cap on child benefit has left countless low-income families facing an impossible choice between feeding their children and heating their homes. This callous decision is a stark reminder of Labour's willingness to sacrifice the most vulnerable for the sake of fiscal prudence. The introduction of Operation Early Dawn, which releases prisoners early to ease overcrowding, has raised serious concerns about public safety. This knee-jerk reaction to a crisis of the government's own making has left many questioning whether Labour prioritises the safety of citizens or the comfort of convicted criminals. The government's budget decisions have been a disaster. Raising national insurance for employers will stifle job growth and crush small businesses. The decision to remove Agricultural Property Relief from inheritance tax has sparked fury among farmers, who fear being forced to sell their land and assets to pay hefty tax bills, potentially destroying the family farm. This move threatens the very fabric of Britain's agricultural industry. Changes to Air Passenger Duty will only make travel more expensive for families. Meanwhile, the government's failure to effectively address the migrant crisis is costing taxpayers millions of pounds per day, with little sign of a coherent strategy to manage immigration and protect public resources. This lack of leadership and vision is leaving many of the UK electorate feeling frustrated, annoyed and disillusioned. Furthermore, the government's weakness in the face of industrial action has been embarrassingly evident, particularly in their capitulation to train drivers' demands for a hefty wage rise. By caving to union pressure, Labour has set a damaging precedent, prioritising the interests of union members over those of taxpayers and passengers. This lack of resolve has raised serious questions about the government's ability to stand up to militant unions and manage the country's vital infrastructure. Starmer's acceptance of lavish gifts from wealthy donors has raised serious questions about his integrity. The fact that Labour ministers have also received freebies and VIP treatment only adds to the stench of corruption. As the government struggles to contain nationwide riots and prison overcrowding, it's clear they're in way over their heads. Rachel Reeves' announcement of a "black hole" in public finances is a damning indictment of Labour's economic incompetence. With each passing day, it's becoming increasingly clear that this government is more interested in lining the pockets of its donors than serving the needs of the British people. " Change ‘labour’ to Tory in the cut and paste and we know why we are where we are , and what riots? | |||
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