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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " Don't be ridiculous. | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " I read an interesting book by paulo coelho called the valkries, and they believed their guardian angel and soul are the same thing | |||
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"Nobody gets lucky, nobody is being looked after. It's just the game we play. We are dead for a long long time, enjoy what time you have here" Sorry, have to disagree. I'm certain there are Guardian Angels. So many times I've come close to accidental death and survived(obviously) no one has or derserves that much luck as I have had through my 69 years.. | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " Yes I do | |||
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"Prove that just one of the 3000+ gods exist and I'll believe in that one. " Maybe your life has not faced a 95% chance of death? Or Some go through life with blinkers on. Even if Gabrial tapped you on the shoulder. Maybe you would ask him, where's the fancy dress party mate? | |||
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"I believe . All the 3000+ Gods are the same God , it’s only how cultures interpret their understanding of God that differs. Whichever path you choose , the destination is the same . Guardian Angels do exist whether they are external to us or a manifestation of our own spirituality, I am yet to decide. " Oh dear, maybe come back when you have some evidence. | |||
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"Prove that just one of the 3000+ gods exist and I'll believe in that one. Maybe your life has not faced a 95% chance of death? Or Some go through life with blinkers on. Even if Gabrial tapped you on the shoulder. Maybe you would ask him, where's the fancy dress party mate? " I agree with the blinkers, but death does not equate with god, fear does. | |||
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"I find it helps to believe and have faith " I would agree with your comment and the sentiment. | |||
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" Maybe your life has not faced a 95% chance of death? Or Some go through life with blinkers on. Even if Gabrial tapped you on the shoulder. Maybe you would ask him, where's the fancy dress party mate? " I was in critical care 3 years ago. Apparently I was given a 2% chance of survival. I had no religious experiences whatsoever. People believe and manifest things they've been taught to believe. | |||
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"Prove that just one of the 3000+ gods exist and I'll believe in that one. " Proof is subjective , one person may accept it but others won't , if someone produced a video, let's say of a person self levitating, the sceptics would claim the video was faked . Ultimately it's a question of belief . | |||
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"Prove that just one of the 3000+ gods exist and I'll believe in that one. Proof is subjective , one person may accept it but others won't , if someone produced a video, let's say of a person self levitating, the sceptics would claim the video was faked . Ultimately it's a question of belief ." Exactly, hence, nonsense. The lowest common denominator for the pro religious argument comes down to "well, it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, so there". This is the stance people take when they can't justify a thing, it's useless. | |||
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"How to explain spiritual experiences to a non-believer. A complete waste of time. Vegan at the bar or censorious type who eschews the idea of a higher power. I think I would buy the vegan a lemonade. " Spirituality is great, I'm 100% for it and certain that the answers we all seek are there. Religion on the other hand, garbage, clearly. | |||
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"How to explain spiritual experiences to a non-believer. A complete waste of time. Vegan at the bar or censorious type who eschews the idea of a higher power. I think I would buy the vegan a lemonade. Spirituality is great, I'm 100% for it and certain that the answers we all seek are there. Religion on the other hand, garbage, clearly. " ... ... It's not garbage to millions across the world. Until we shuffle off,none of us can say with 100% certainty. It's a debate that can only lead to the most intense of tautologies. Each to their own.... | |||
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"How to explain spiritual experiences to a non-believer. A complete waste of time. Vegan at the bar or censorious type who eschews the idea of a higher power. I think I would buy the vegan a lemonade. Spirituality is great, I'm 100% for it and certain that the answers we all seek are there. Religion on the other hand, garbage, clearly. ... ... It's not garbage to millions across the world. Until we shuffle off,none of us can say with 100% certainty. It's a debate that can only lead to the most intense of tautologies. Each to their own...." Millions of people across the world being indoctrinated into a corrupt system which seeks to scare people into giving up their money does not prove the existence of a god. Best case scenario, if we could prove the existence of 1 god, we'd then have to accept the 3000 others that have been around. | |||
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"The concept that creation is just the forces of nature on its own seems too simple. Nature's cycles of renewal and recycling hint at a deeper connection, maybe even extending to our spirits and souls beyond death. The truth might be beyond the understanding of the mere human mind, and while science can explain a lot, there's likely more to existence than what we can measure or prove. There's room for faith, mystery, and the unknown – and that's what makes life so fascinating. As for life's purpose, maybe it's about helping and supporting each other. After all, humans are driven by both instinct and the behaviours we learn throughout life – a mix of good and bad – shaping who we are and how we interact with the world. " Well said . | |||
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"How to explain spiritual experiences to a non-believer. A complete waste of time. Vegan at the bar or censorious type who eschews the idea of a higher power. I think I would buy the vegan a lemonade. Spirituality is great, I'm 100% for it and certain that the answers we all seek are there. Religion on the other hand, garbage, clearly. ... ... It's not garbage to millions across the world. Until we shuffle off,none of us can say with 100% certainty. It's a debate that can only lead to the most intense of tautologies. Each to their own.... Millions of people across the world being indoctrinated into a corrupt system which seeks to scare people into giving up their money does not prove the existence of a god. Best case scenario, if we could prove the existence of 1 god, we'd then have to accept the 3000 others that have been around. " .. . .. .. Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. | |||
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"I’m a firm believer that religion only replaces the gaps in human knowledge " Human knowledge is possibly but a mere drop in the ocean compared to the vast expanse of understanding yet to be discovered. | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. " Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. " ... ... ... A delusion to some. Not all. The idea of the con ignores the obvious- not everything can be explained... | |||
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"There are stranger things on Heaven and Earth Horatio, yes there are 'special people' and events that exist in our corporeal world and I say that as an atheist. Mx 👿 " "I think I'll move to Lanarkshire, buy a Celtic season ticket and drive a Jaguar..." Sy Snootles 😜🤣😭😂 | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. ... ... ... A delusion to some. Not all. The idea of the con ignores the obvious- not everything can be explained... " Ah, so some religious people are right and some are wrong, makes sense. Is it the people who believe in zeus that are right and the ones who believe in jupiter that are wrong? | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. ... ... ... A delusion to some. Not all. The idea of the con ignores the obvious- not everything can be explained... Ah, so some religious people are right and some are wrong, makes sense. Is it the people who believe in zeus that are right and the ones who believe in jupiter that are wrong? " ... That wasn't remotely said. You've contradicted yourself -albeit by false words into mouth- what with your non-believing being right, religious deluded. | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. ... ... ... A delusion to some. Not all. The idea of the con ignores the obvious- not everything can be explained... Ah, so some religious people are right and some are wrong, makes sense. Is it the people who believe in zeus that are right and the ones who believe in jupiter that are wrong? ... That wasn't remotely said. You've contradicted yourself -albeit by false words into mouth- what with your non-believing being right, religious deluded. " I'll try again then, some religious people are deluded, some are not? The deluded ones are those that belive in the gods that aren't real? | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. " Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I am not a believer, not a person of faith at all. Neither am I in possession of the levels of arrogance required to glibly dismiss the belief system of others as a mere delusion. | |||
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"Absolutely yes, Our son goes to Sunday School so he can decide for himself But in today's World of Wars, cruelty and starvation it's nice to believe in the Lord above Let's face it, his son suffered to save us all." I'm sure he'll get a balanced view at sunday school. 🙄 And such a loving god allowing World of Wars, cruelty and starvation. 🤔 | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I am not a believer, not a person of faith at all. Neither am I in possession of the levels of arrogance required to glibly dismiss the belief system of others as a mere delusion. " How else would you define believing in something for which there is no evidence? The obvious comparisons are the tooth fairy, pixies and so on. It's literally the meaning of delusional. Show me a god and I'll go along with it. | |||
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"Gods that aren't real in your opinion. Others will agree with you. Millions across the globe with religious beliefs will disagree. " So there is one god that's real and bunch that are not real? | |||
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"Absolutely yes, Our son goes to Sunday School so he can decide for himself But in today's World of Wars, cruelty and starvation it's nice to believe in the Lord above Let's face it, his son suffered to save us all. I'm sure he'll get a balanced view at sunday school. 🙄 And such a loving god allowing World of Wars, cruelty and starvation. 🤔" Assuming the existence of a God/a whole phantasmagoria of gods/a supreme being/a higher power/whatever, we are not puppets on His/their strings. We have free will and it is up to us what we do with it. | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " I do, my life was shaped by them when I was lost and out of control. | |||
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"God loves a trier. As stated a tautology that leads nowhere. The mysteries, the wonder. " But it doesn't lead nowhere, it's a yes or no subject. If there had only ever been one god, ot two, that might hold more weight, but thousands?! It's pretty obvious that man invented god, not the other way around. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being." Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. " ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. " Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. | |||
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"I'm a non believer, you make your own luck. However, if people believe and it brings them peace, joy, comfort or whatever who am I to judge?" Bingo! This. Exactly. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. " Obviously not, that's why it's called faith. They have faith in the text and the promises will be realised once dead. If it eases a person's passage through life why care so much? | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " Don’t they do something on the NY subway (or did) | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels " Zoe Williams, Marina Hyde and Polly Toynbee??? Absolutely | |||
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"You're a sceptic so nothing will convince you." It's not about being a sceptic, it's about demonstrating the validity of your theory, if a religious person says a god exists then they have to prove that, it's not up to me to disprove that. It's basic. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. Obviously not, that's why it's called faith. They have faith in the text and the promises will be realised once dead. If it eases a person's passage through life why care so much?" Because it's a lie, the sooner they realise that, the better for them. | |||
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"There are stranger things on Heaven and Earth Horatio, yes there are 'special people' and events that exist in our corporeal world and I say that as an atheist. Mx 👿 "I think I'll move to Lanarkshire, buy a Celtic season ticket and drive a Jaguar..." Sy Snootles 😜🤣😭😂" The Jag has gone, keep up will you.. Lanarkshire? ... Hmmm ... Keep guessing. Love you huni you always amuse me. Mx 😘 🍀🍀🍀🍀 🏆🏆 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. Obviously not, that's why it's called faith. They have faith in the text and the promises will be realised once dead. If it eases a person's passage through life why care so much? Because it's a lie, the sooner they realise that, the better for them. " But the Christian moral standards and ethics aren’t a lie - they provide a framework for a civilised society quite irrespective of any belief in a divine being. | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. Obviously not, that's why it's called faith. They have faith in the text and the promises will be realised once dead. If it eases a person's passage through life why care so much? Because it's a lie, the sooner they realise that, the better for them. " Only in your opinion. To them the belief is real. They'll only find out when their worm food so actually no one will ever know!! | |||
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"You're a sceptic so nothing will convince you. It's not about being a sceptic, it's about demonstrating the validity of your theory, if a religious person says a god exists then they have to prove that, it's not up to me to disprove that. It's basic." Faith isn't science, people are free to believe and pray. Just because we choose not to doesn't mean we should pass judgement on those who do | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. Obviously not, that's why it's called faith. They have faith in the text and the promises will be realised once dead. If it eases a person's passage through life why care so much? Because it's a lie, the sooner they realise that, the better for them. But the Christian moral standards and ethics aren’t a lie - they provide a framework for a civilised society quite irrespective of any belief in a divine being." Accurate, our laws are based on the religious texts, they are based on the 10 commandments, more complexed and updated for the times, sure, but the core tenant of society and human interaction is written in the various religious texts. | |||
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"Personally I think that "Religion" in all its forms is one of the worst things that the human race have ever come up with. It has been used to control people and has been responsible for more pain and suffering than anything else. Yes, the tenants of most religions tell people to love and help one another, but why is that sects of different religions have been at each others throats for centuries and continue to be to this day. I don't deny anyone their right to what religion they believe in BUT I do wish that they would stop killing each other, or persecuting others - just don't try and inflict your religion on me. Just remember there are still people today who would love to refuse to even serve people like us because of their religion. " This is why we have the human rights act. People can practice their religion and we can be gay and buy from them. But for whatever reason the modern day conservative and reform lot can't identify with being human | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. " Has any single person been able to demonstrate the non-existence of any of the gods? | |||
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"Not every God is considered a Supreme Being. Oh FFS, that's okay then is it, you're argument is upheld on a lower level so it still works. No need to prove a supreme being exists, but some lesser ones do, obviously. ... .. ... Words into mouth. Part 2. Lower level argument or a statement of fact in a historical sense. No need? I didn't say so. You are however entitled to be flippant about variations within belief systems. Very well, you're taking that route. Can you (or anybody) prove God exists? Yes or no. " Can you prove a God does not exist?… after all, a lack of scientific evidence does not preclude something existing. Take with the beginning of the universe, or our own solar system, or our planet, or life itself… so far there is no evidence as to what created these, only theories (some of which conflict with each other, most of which change as theories evolve, and some assume a higher being as responsible (even including Matrix-esq theories)). Yet, despite a complete lack of hard evidence as to what, how, or who created all these, they clearly exist. Therefore, every request you make for evidence, can be countered by asking you for evidence of your non-God theory. Works both ways. | |||
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"I'm a non believer, you make your own luck. However, if people believe and it brings them peace, joy, comfort or whatever who am I to judge? Bingo! This. Exactly." Problem is people start negatively judging others who don't believe in their 'god' or religion. They start forcing it upon others to justify their beliefs. That's when the trouble starts... | |||
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"I'm a non believer, you make your own luck. However, if people believe and it brings them peace, joy, comfort or whatever who am I to judge? Bingo! This. Exactly. Problem is people start negatively judging others who don't believe in their 'god' or religion. They start forcing it upon others to justify their beliefs. That's when the trouble starts... " You speak for yourself, I've never encountered that. Usually the judgement as seen on this thread comes from the non believers asking for evidence etc as if it's science! | |||
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"I'm a non believer, you make your own luck. However, if people believe and it brings them peace, joy, comfort or whatever who am I to judge? Bingo! This. Exactly. Problem is people start negatively judging others who don't believe in their 'god' or religion. They start forcing it upon others to justify their beliefs. That's when the trouble starts... You speak for yourself, I've never encountered that. Usually the judgement as seen on this thread comes from the non believers asking for evidence etc as if it's science!"  | |||
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"Question should have been do you believe in guardian angels Zoe Williams, Marina Hyde and Polly Toynbee??? Absolutely " ... .. ... Lol.. Haha, Love it...👍😆 | |||
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"Nobody gets lucky, nobody is being looked after. It's just the game we play. We are dead for a long long time, enjoy what time you have here That’s exactly it luck . Was not your time to die . And people say you long time dead That’s just word dead ! You could be long time living in another so called life or dimension. And fact that this is some kind hell. Working 50 years your life couple holidays a year worry , stress anxiety depression. From one sickness to another . Yes lot life ok , but I say it’s OK! Nothing more nothing less . Just example look at how many people live in poverty and war zone or dictatorship. Crime violence. Is this meant to be how happy life is . Wonder how many guys on here are actually can say they content and happy? Most are sexually denied. Or political frustration. Ok we have ups and downs . Most us just go through the motions everyday living . Then we retire , aches pains stress worry . Yeah life is good but is it heaven? Not for many that’s a fact ! Sorry, have to disagree. I'm certain there are Guardian Angels. So many times I've come close to accidental death and survived(obviously) no one has or derserves that much luck as I have had through my 69 years.." | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. Has any single person been able to demonstrate the non-existence of any of the gods? " Gods lived in the heavens yet we have explored our whole solar system and can see billions of light years into the universe Not even a discarded chip wrapper We have bored deep into earth and do d no hell So yes it seems fairly conclusive | |||
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" Not everyone believes in the convenience of the idea of indoctrination. To arrogantly decry those with belief as easily duped overlooks the fact those who use said argument know zilch about individuals and their mindsets. Not everyone who believes in God goes to church or parts with cash either. Religion is literally a delusion, sure it must be comforting to some, but no one single person ever has been able to demonstrate the existence of any of the gods, a popular delusion doesn't make it real. It's non falsifiable, the best kind of con. Has any single person been able to demonstrate the non-existence of any of the gods? Gods lived in the heavens yet we have explored our whole solar system and can see billions of light years into the universe Not even a discarded chip wrapper We have bored deep into earth and do d no hell So yes it seems fairly conclusive " Maybe just maybe it’s like your mind or conscience , your soul ? that it’s does not have physical material part . Maybe on the other side you sleep for eternity or for specific time . But you only dream ? Now those who been of good characters will have beautiful dreams , If they childhood families sex anything that made them happy and more in their lives . While the vile disgusting people , just dream of nightmare after nightmares Burning being tortured loneliness depression drowning , all horrible things . Till they see there ways but never return . God or whoever never made bad people. They developed as they become older , some lot more quicker then other people. As for your theory of not seeing this place called Heaven or God as we scanned the universe? We have seen but the edge of it . Has not got to be something beyond the furthest we can see ? Also going on your thinking ! You are saying that as we can’t see any there is no life on any other universe solar system planet or world . Nothing out there at all . | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. " ... ... It's an invalid claim in your opinion. | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. ... ... It's an invalid claim in your opinion." Opinion has nothing to do with it, absolutely nothing. We don't function as a society on opinions, we function with what is repeatable through evidence. | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. ... ... It's an invalid claim in your opinion. Opinion has nothing to do with it, absolutely nothing. We don't function as a society on opinions, we function with what is repeatable through evidence. " ... Which is contradictory as you also cannot prove with 100% conclusive evidential proof that there is no god. It's patently not possible to even begin to think rhat brief subjectivity from both sides of the argument on an internet forum means that cases can be closed. Telelogical and ontological considerations reduced to the binary is problematic to say the least. What of moral law, revealed theology? | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. ... ... It's an invalid claim in your opinion. Opinion has nothing to do with it, absolutely nothing. We don't function as a society on opinions, we function with what is repeatable through evidence. ... Which is contradictory as you also cannot prove with 100% conclusive evidential proof that there is no god. It's patently not possible to even begin to think rhat brief subjectivity from both sides of the argument on an internet forum means that cases can be closed. Telelogical and ontological considerations reduced to the binary is problematic to say the least. What of moral law, revealed theology? " Nope, no, no, no. I don't have to prove there is no god until you have proved there is one first. That's the only point that stands and that no one can get past. | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. " This is an over-simplification, and some may even argue naive. You advocate that thousands of years of beliefs, texts, experiences, reported miracles, as well as examples given above, are not good enough evidence, or the right type of evidence, for - you - to believe a God exists. Whilst it is fair enough for you to conclude that, for what you want to believe - you are then naively confusing “your not being convinced by the evidence”… with… “God therefore does not exist”. Yet…you being convinced by the available evidence, or not, does not necessarily determine the reality of anything. In science, politics, juries, in almost any form of debate, it is upon both sides to present their evidence to persuade the other side. This is how society “gets to the facts”. Until now, minds greater than yours or mine have failed to prove a God exists or does not exist. Until then… a God could exist. So, whilst it is up to the church to provide the evidence to convince you, it is up to you to provide the evidence that they’re wrong… before a God can be ruled either “in” or “out”. | |||
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"Just to reiterate an important point, if a person makes a claim, "there is a god (or a whatever)" the burden of proof is on them to provide evidence for their claim BEFORE a person with a counter claim, "this is no god (or a whatever)" provides evidence to the contrary. That's the way it works, otherwise it doesn't work. Until someone does this for god, it's an invalid claim. This is an over-simplification, and some may even argue naive. You advocate that thousands of years of beliefs, texts, experiences, reported miracles, as well as examples given above, are not good enough evidence, or the right type of evidence, for - you - to believe a God exists. Whilst it is fair enough for you to conclude that, for what you want to believe - you are then naively confusing “your not being convinced by the evidence”… with… “God therefore does not exist”. Yet…you being convinced by the available evidence, or not, does not necessarily determine the reality of anything. In science, politics, juries, in almost any form of debate, it is upon both sides to present their evidence to persuade the other side. This is how society “gets to the facts”. Until now, minds greater than yours or mine have failed to prove a God exists or does not exist. Until then… a God could exist. So, whilst it is up to the church to provide the evidence to convince you, it is up to you to provide the evidence that they’re wrong… before a God can be ruled either “in” or “out”." Nope, again, proof of theory first. There is still none, it really is that simple. | |||
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"Says who? Others are opposed to the binary. Including serious thinkers. As stated yesterday it's a tautology like no other. A trench warfare for the mind... I blame that Thomas fellow... Oi Aquinas!" It's a tautology because religious thinkers cannot provide solid evidence. The argument then becomes entrapped in twisted logic and existentialism. Evidence first. | |||
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"Prove that just one of the 3000+ gods exist and I'll believe in that one. " pmsl | |||
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"The tautology includes the inability to disprove without a shadow. Defence of the narrative is understandable but it's throwaway, largely polemical. If there was real erudition, the focus on the binary would be eschewed." Again, evidence first. Throwing your arms open and saying look around you, is not evidence. | |||
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" It's a tautology because religious thinkers cannot provide solid evidence. The argument then becomes entrapped in twisted logic and existentialism. Evidence first. " Exactly the same could be said about atheists. Better to have an open mind and just respect other peoples beliefs and disbeliefs rather than try to convert them to your way of thinking, sneer at them or belittle them. | |||
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"You talk of evidence yet with all due respect don't go into any cohesive detail that would enable evidence to be fully discussed. " What evidence is there to be discussed? Something tangible would help. | |||
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" It's a tautology because religious thinkers cannot provide solid evidence. The argument then becomes entrapped in twisted logic and existentialism. Evidence first. Exactly the same could be said about atheists. Better to have an open mind and just respect other peoples beliefs and disbeliefs rather than try to convert them to your way of thinking, sneer at them or belittle them. " I agree that belittling and sneering is unnecessary and having an open mind is beneficial. | |||
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"You talk of evidence yet with all due respect don't go into any cohesive detail that would enable evidence to be fully discussed. What evidence is there to be discussed? Something tangible would help. " ... .. . Cohesive detail re themes. Rather than just thought that operates as a collection of soundbites without nuance, sourcing. As it stands it's half-arsed. What of existentialism and religion. What you saying about this theme? | |||
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"I will pray for the many misguided souls that do not believe They will be in my thoughts and prayers " This is the exact point I made earlier 😂😇🤣😆 Those who adopt a religion/belief JUDGE/LOOK DOWN UPON those who don't believe or believe in a different religion. FFS 🙄. Surely any benevolent/intelligent god would himself punish those who see themselves as superior to others... | |||
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"Whether u believe in God or don't makes no diff at the end of the day religion is man made" Religion is a 'social construct' formulated and expanded by man... I have always saw organised religion as a form of 'government' before true political government existed... | |||
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"I believe in miracles. I believe Wolves will one day return to Wembley😆" If you want a real miracle, believe Celtic can win a trophy that isn’t just for Scottish teams   | |||
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"You talk of evidence yet with all due respect don't go into any cohesive detail that would enable evidence to be fully discussed. What evidence is there to be discussed? Something tangible would help. ... .. . Cohesive detail re themes. Rather than just thought that operates as a collection of soundbites without nuance, sourcing. As it stands it's half-arsed. What of existentialism and religion. What you saying about this theme?" I don't understand your question. | |||
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"Say one for the weans in Gaza..." Say one for those who hilariously deluded themselves that Wayne, ahem, Biggins was a 'good player'... 😉😎 | |||
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"Say one for the weans in Gaza... Say one for those who hilariously deluded themselves that Wayne, ahem, Biggins was a 'good player'... 😉😎" ... Rent-free. Tedium. Too easy. | |||
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"There’s really only 2 things to say about this. 1 - people confuse faith and religion. Faith is an entire belief by one person that there is something bigger and better looking after us all. It doesn’t need proof or explanation, and it is a beautiful thing. Religion is a twisting of faith to make a person or persons more powerful and more often than not ends with someone getting hurt. 2 - If atheists are right and there are no ‘god/gods’ then believers have had a disappointing lifetime. If believers are right and there are ‘god/gods’ though, atheists are fucked for eternity!!" I'm afraid that's a misnoma in itself since all religions preach that Thier god is all seeing but above all. All forgiving Atheist people have nothing to worry about Personally I hate all religion it's the cause of most of the worlds problems And if there is a god and I'm lucky enough to ever meet him or her Boy oh fucking boy have I got some fucking awkward questions | |||
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"Wayne eat a Lewis Capaldi pizza, bhoy... 😁🍕" .... ... A Stalinistic tedium. | |||
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"Wayne eat a Lewis Capaldi pizza, bhoy... 😁🍕 .... ... A Stalinistic tedium. " Make Rangers Great Again 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 | |||
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"Wayne eat a Lewis Capaldi pizza, bhoy... 😁🍕" Wayne Scales.........MELTDOWN. Delicate little flower. | |||
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"There’s really only 2 things to say about this. 1 - people confuse faith and religion. Faith is an entire belief by one person that there is something bigger and better looking after us all. It doesn’t need proof or explanation, and it is a beautiful thing. Religion is a twisting of faith to make a person or persons more powerful and more often than not ends with someone getting hurt. 2 - If atheists are right and there are no ‘god/gods’ then believers have had a disappointing lifetime. If believers are right and there are ‘god/gods’ though, atheists are fucked for eternity!! I'm afraid that's a misnoma in itself since all religions preach that Thier god is all seeing but above all. All forgiving Atheist people have nothing to worry about Personally I hate all religion it's the cause of most of the worlds problems And if there is a god and I'm lucky enough to ever meet him or her Boy oh fucking boy have I got some fucking awkward questions " This is where faith and religion are different. Faith will tell you an ‘all powerful, loving, all forgiving god’ will be fine with non believers. Religion and religious books will tell you ‘believe in this god or else’ | |||
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"Ah, yes, religion. Because a bunch of Bronze Age fairy-tales dreamt up by a gang of magic mushroom-head shepherds who didn’t understand why it got dark at night nor where the rain came from is exactly what we need to help us navigate the 21st century and beyond 🙄🤷🏻♂️" ... ... ... God Save Us All From Satans Stare? | |||
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"Sucker, you mentioned existentialism re twisted logic. Hence my mentioning of existentialism/religion. As a matter of interest and an attempt to delve a bit deeper...." Ah, in which case, the only answer is Buddhism, they've always had it right. | |||
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"There’s really only 2 things to say about this. 1 - people confuse faith and religion. Faith is an entire belief by one person that there is something bigger and better looking after us all. It doesn’t need proof or explanation, and it is a beautiful thing. Religion is a twisting of faith to make a person or persons more powerful and more often than not ends with someone getting hurt. 2 - If atheists are right and there are no ‘god/gods’ then believers have had a disappointing lifetime. If believers are right and there are ‘god/gods’ though, atheists are fucked for eternity!!" Re. Point 2 - this is a false interpretation of atheism. The argument actually runs like this: Theist: there is a god/there are gods. Atheist: I don’t believe you. That’s it. That’s all there is. Atheists do not make any claim that there are no gods. We simply do not believe that there ARE any, and that is not the same thing. The burden of proof is on the theist, for it is the theist making the claim, not the atheist. And also, as a great and learned man once said, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. And I venture to say that claiming that there is a god is, indeed, an extraordinary claim. | |||
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"If you look at the perfect balance of nature, and how every creature is provided for, it’s just too good to be a coincidence. There must be some higher being that created it all. Call it God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, Brahma, Woden, Zeus, or whatever, there is definitely some higher being that caused the Earth. Whether this higher thing actually gives a shit about each individual being, I’m not so sure, but theres definitely something." Obviously never heard of evolution and natural selection. | |||
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"Some believe others don’t . I respect the belief of those that don’t , with nothing asked in return but to respect my beliefs. " Beliefs do not have to be respected, at all, and to be frank I don’t respect your beliefs. Not in the slightest. I find them ridiculous, silly, childish, and also subversive and dangerous. Nor in turn are you obliged to respect my or anybody else’s beliefs. The consequences of beliefs having to be respected are quite insidious and actually not a little terrifying. However, I do respect your RIGHT to believe any old nonsense you so choose, and to support any god or gods that you desire. That much I do respect, that much DOES have to be respected. | |||
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"Some believe others don’t . I respect the belief of those that don’t , with nothing asked in return but to respect my beliefs. " Not going to happen, shouldn't have to happen, nothing personal but your beliefs don't automatically deserve respect. | |||
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"Nobody gets lucky, nobody is being looked after. It's just the game we play. We are dead for a long long time, enjoy what time you have here" How do you know we're dead for a long time? No one alive knows that.. | |||
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