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2008 Financial Crisis "The Truth"

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By *ub4anell OP   TV/TS
2 weeks ago

near waterloovile

The misinformation regarding the 2008 financial crisis is a subject that has always iked me.

The common narrative has been that it was the fault of The Labour government, nothing could be further from the truth.

The BBC In depth has article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

It is not to long and generally about the Nat ionisation of Nat West. But it also tells the underlying causes of the crisis.

I am not a Labour supporter. But I do support the truth

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously...

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By *ountainMan
2 weeks ago

ipswich

Just like today's political stuff

After 14 years of tory rule they are blaming all the disasters that happened on Labour. Honesty is in short supply.

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By *ngel50TV/TS
2 weeks ago

Kinross


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously..."

For once I agree with you

My father in law made some good financial gains during these times, not all was bad.

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

Agreed👍

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By *ub4anell OP   TV/TS
2 weeks ago

near waterloovile

If you want the basic facts just read the section, in the link above.

Risky Mortgages and bad loans

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By *iguy1407Man
2 weeks ago

STANFORD-LE-HOPE

It was common knowledge at the time that it was the collapse of the Sub prime markets that caused the financial crash and quickly spread round the world. The tories and all those anti Labour took advantage of the situation and changed the narrative.

The same is also true obf blaming thr Tories for the amount of borrowing which of course we all know had to be done because of Covid.

We live in a world where lies and bullshit rules supreme and with the growth of Social media and more recently AI, its so easy to feed people misinformation and they swallow it hook line and sinker.

People would rather believe Twitter/Facebook then the experts who actually know what they are talking about

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By *121Man
2 weeks ago

Carlisle

Have you seen The Big Short?

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By *q oralistMan
2 weeks ago

Torquay


"The misinformation regarding the 2008 financial crisis is a subject that has always iked me.

The common narrative has been that it was the fault of The Labour government, nothing could be further from the truth.

The BBC In depth has article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

It is not to long and generally about the Nat ionisation of Nat West. But it also tells the underlying causes of the crisis.

I am not a Labour supporter. But I do support the truth

"

Mind you Labour do have tendency to tax and spend their way into economic trouble. they are at it again now, taking us into a doom loop. No Economist worthy of the name will support the notion that you can tax the country out of decline

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

With the fastest growing economy in the G7.

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By *icariusMaximusMan
2 weeks ago

Handsworth


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously..."

Dermot Desmond profited greatly from it...

🤔😬

Dirty Cash, CSC...

🤓

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By *fcdTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Southend

I didn't think anyone half clued up thought it was anything to do with Labour? At the time it was very clear it was a global collapse from bad lending/risk management. In fact, Brown/Darling were widely lauded internationally at the time for realising very quickly what was happening and the impact and pulling together a global task force to combat it and prevent a complete melt down.

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously...

Dermot Desmond profited greatly from it...

🤔😬

Dirty Cash, CSC...

🤓"

...

...

...

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Our resident academic who is now a fan of big business despite being a communist until that particular volte-face.

Parklife.

DS/per

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By *ikitv69TV/TS
2 weeks ago

radcliffe


"Have you seen The Big Short? "

I was just going to say that it lays all the facts out and highlights the greed that caused the crash.

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By *ustSucksMan
2 weeks ago

Chester

There's a great documentary called 'The bank that almost broke Britain'. This centered on RBS and how they bought other banks with bad debt, and eventually they ran out of cash. Alistair Darling the Chancellor at the time gives some great insights as well as RBS senior staff from the time.

The Big Short and Margin Call are great films about the 2008 crash too

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By *icariusMaximusMan
2 weeks ago

Handsworth


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously...

Dermot Desmond profited greatly from it...

🤔😬

Dirty Cash, CSC...

🤓

...

...

...

...

Our resident academic who is now a fan of big business despite being a communist until that particular volte-face.

Parklife.

DS/per"

Dermot Desmond was the key instigator of the global financial crisis of 2008 and YOU KNOW UT, SON!!!!!

😎😁

Admit it, Swampy!!!

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

'We not only saved the world'

Gordon Brown slips up at PMQ's, December 2008...😆

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By *ngelaTaylorTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Peterbrough

Fred Goodwin still walks freely among us, a multimillionaire.

Thank God he never posted hurty words on X, and only cost the country Billions.

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By *ustSucksMan
2 weeks ago

Chester


"Fred Goodwin still walks freely among us, a multimillionaire.

Thank God he never posted hurty words on X, and only cost the country Billions."

His arrogance was breathtaking. I'm sure he kept his pension too. Fred the Shred. I can think of a 4 letter word to replace 'shred'...

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

His bank pension currently 600 Grand a year.. ...

He broke cover recently, spotted dining out in Glasgow's well-heeled Park Circus.

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By *awihMan
2 weeks ago

Aldershot


"The misinformation regarding the 2008 financial crisis is a subject that has always iked me.

The common narrative has been that it was the fault of The Labour government, nothing could be further from the truth.

The BBC In depth has article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

It is not to long and generally about the Nat ionisation of Nat West. But it also tells the underlying causes of the crisis.

I am not a Labour supporter. But I do support the truth

"

Quite agree. The crash was caused by the US Sub Prime mortgage market, and the worthless debt they then sold as "asset backed securities" around the work that was rubber stamped as AAA by the credit reference agencies.

Once the bubble burst everyone else was in the deep do do and Labour did what had to be done to stop "runs" on UK banks which would have caused them to fail - a couple did e.g. Northern Rock etc.

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By *awihMan
2 weeks ago

Aldershot


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously..."

When in reality it was Thatcher and Regan's "Deregulation" that allowed the situation to happen in the first place.

Labours problem failing was not putting better regulation back in place. If I remember correctly before the crash the Tory's were calling for even less regulation.

In case people don't understand, after the 1929 wall street crash, banking regulation was put in place to make sure that it never happened again. That was scrapped by Regan in the USA and Thatcher in the UK in the 80's or 90's and other countries followed suit.

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By *awihMan
2 weeks ago

Aldershot


"The misinformation regarding the 2008 financial crisis is a subject that has always iked me.

The common narrative has been that it was the fault of The Labour government, nothing could be further from the truth.

The BBC In depth has article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

It is not to long and generally about the Nat ionisation of Nat West. But it also tells the underlying causes of the crisis.

I am not a Labour supporter. But I do support the truth

Mind you Labour do have tendency to tax and spend their way into economic trouble. they are at it again now, taking us into a doom loop. No Economist worthy of the name will support the notion that you can tax the country out of decline"

Well considering that the Tory's tripled the UK national debt to over £3tn over the 14 years they were in power (it was around £1tn when they took power), and left so many problems to try and sort out, ANY incoming government would have little room to maneuver

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

👍👍

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By *ranford cruiserTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Heathrow


"Just like today's political stuff

After 14 years of tory rule they are blaming all the disasters that happened on Labour. Honesty is in short supply. "

all the same different cheeks same arse

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By *ranford cruiserTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Heathrow

The worst thing the tories did was sell off the council houses that should never have happened

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By *ubberFunkerMan
2 weeks ago

Cologne

The "In Depth" article asks more questions than it provides answers.

In context, the WTI Oil price spiked in 2007, at one point hitting $140pb (today it $60pb). This hit businesses first & had it remained high, would've ended living north of Glasgow.

This made business loans difficult to pay, confidence suffered, which exposed the subprime mortgage bubble (see the excellent film, The Big Short).

What worries me now, is that businesses, govts & start-ups, don't seem to have a grip on what is an 'asset' & what is a 'liability'. I'm asked to get involved in businesses that are losing money, they have no real assets, but growing liabilities. Guess what?!?!?

When RBS bought ABN Amro, it thought the Dutch bank had Shell as it's main client, even though the oil giant had set up it's own 'in house' bank. ABN Amro literally had no assets! Guess what?!?!?

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By *ranford cruiserTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Heathrow

But remember the I.O.U. the labour government left the last time they were in power

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By *hades 11Man
2 weeks ago

ireland


"Will have a butchers. The tories made massive political capital out of the notion Labour crashed the economy..

Such is politics, obviously...

Dermot Desmond profited greatly from it...

🤔😬

Dirty Cash, CSC...

🤓

...

...

...

...

Our resident academic who is now a fan of big business despite being a communist until that particular volte-face.

Parklife.

DS/per

Dermot Desmond was the key instigator of the global financial crisis of 2008 and YOU KNOW UT, SON!!!!!

😎😁

Admit it, Swampy!!! "

Swampy? Like the state of a Leicester garden after you?

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By *ichey6Man
2 weeks ago

aberdeen

And we have a winner...

😭😭😭👍

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By *ildwestheroMan
2 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells


"The worst thing the tories did was sell off the council houses that should never have happened "

Wrong. The idea behind the policy was to sell them to long term tenants, instead of spending a small fortune in bring them up to standard e.g. new kitchens a bathrooms, central heating, double glazing etc. The money raised was to be spent on new social housing but more often that not it wasn't.

Problem being the sales were up to individual councils and not central government. Hence houses got sold off way too cheaply or to short term tenants and the money got squandered elsewhere.

Besides this has nothing to do with the 2008 crash.

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By *fcdTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Southend


"But remember the I.O.U. the labour government left the last time they were in power "
The one that was a joke, something every outgoing chancellor does but the desperate Tories weaponised despite knowing full well it wasn’t true? That one?

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By *ub4anell OP   TV/TS
2 weeks ago

near waterloovile


"But remember the I.O.U. the labour government left the last time they were in power "

Yesrs later David Laws finally apologised to Liam Byrne for weaponising that infamous scrawled note. It was a joke, not true.

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By *eefandfurMan
2 weeks ago

Edinburgh

It was predictable. Unfortunately the people with the most money, profit most from crashes. The system is now set up for repeating cycles with crashes.

Successive governments of both parties on both sides of the Atlantic have failed to reapply the appropriate controls to ensure fairness and encourage growth. Hedging and shorting used to restricted to prevent profiting from crashing markets. Monopolies and leverage were better restricted to prevent "too big to fail"

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By *igDickEnergyMan
2 weeks ago

cardiff


"The misinformation regarding the 2008 financial crisis is a subject that has always iked me.

The common narrative has been that it was the fault of The Labour government, nothing could be further from the truth.

The BBC In depth has article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

It is not to long and generally about the Nat ionisation of Nat West. But it also tells the underlying causes of the crisis.

I am not a Labour supporter. But I do support the truth

Mind you Labour do have tendency to tax and spend their way into economic trouble. they are at it again now, taking us into a doom loop. No Economist worthy of the name will support the notion that you can tax the country out of decline"

This isn't true either though is it. Labour usually come in to sort out the mess the Tories leave the country in.

Because they think that low taxes fixes schools and builds hospitals.

The happiest countries are always the Scandinavian countries and they have a very large tax and spend economies our version of capitalism has rendered us unhappy and in a right two and eight, most expensive electric in the world, our water is filthy but the bosses get millions. We have a housing crisis because the market has failed to deliver.

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