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"I stand with the LGB Alliance. " So do I | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!!" It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. | |||
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"I feel Pride has had its day. Too many groups, each with their own agenda are hi-jacking it. In Scotland all the political parties have been told to stay away. Come as an individual but not as a political party" Pride is, was and should be political. Read up on the history. | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. " So trans people can’t be LGB? Because those I know fit in all those groups. | |||
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"Should it be a 3 day or 4 day Festival? Does a 4th day dilute the experience? " I like that idea | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!!" Correct it is a gay organisation. Whilst sympathising and supporting trans people, gays and trans are not the same thing. I have known a couple of trans people in the past. Nice people but didn't really have anything in common with them. And as for the other 'letters' that have been thrown into this alphabet soup well half of them a meaningless and the other half just weird fads. LGBT+++ started off as a gay/lesbian group but it seems to have been hijacked and now we gays feel excluded. | |||
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"Pride here started in April ..." So-called Pride events can take place throughout the year especially the summer months. There were two localish to here at one time, one in July and one in August. | |||
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"Pride here started in April ... So-called Pride events can take place throughout the year especially the summer months. There were two localish to here at one time, one in July and one in August." Actually the lead up to this one was fantastic. A local busybody tried to take a verbal hammer to their March through the town . He called it "controversial " and made VERY veiled references to the fact that it passed by ( several hundred yards away) a child's playpark.......nasty nasty nasty low cowardly smear attempt.... OMG... he was absolutely eviscerated online by the local straight community who were massively offended by his remarks , this is not a homophobic part of the world, and the crowd came out in support the next weekend.... I suppose that's one small example of why Pride is still important.... | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! Correct it is a gay organisation. Whilst sympathising and supporting trans people, gays and trans are not the same thing. I have known a couple of trans people in the past. Nice people but didn't really have anything in common with them. And as for the other 'letters' that have been thrown into this alphabet soup well half of them a meaningless and the other half just weird fads. LGBT+++ started off as a gay/lesbian group but it seems to have been hijacked and now we gays feel excluded." You, having nothing in common with a trans person or the other ++++ you mentioned doesn’t in itself constitute they are not part of the LGBTQIA+++ family. They very much are and will always be. Their fight is very much the gay male fight. Because the freedoms you enjoy can be very fleeting. I remember not long ago the straight folks were use the same language “Nice people but”…… It will do you a world of good to read up on the history of Pride. | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. So trans people can’t be LGB? Because those I know fit in all those groups. " Trans people having surgery to change gender is a complex thing. Lumping them in with 'the gays' is a bit dismissive of their struggle. | |||
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"I feel Pride has had its day. Too many groups, each with their own agenda are hi-jacking it. In Scotland all the political parties have been told to stay away. Come as an individual but not as a political party Pride is, was and should be political. Read up on the history. " Indeed and people of colour are often the most homophobic. | |||
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"I feel Pride has had its day. Too many groups, each with their own agenda are hi-jacking it. In Scotland all the political parties have been told to stay away. Come as an individual but not as a political party Pride is, was and should be political. Read up on the history. Indeed and people of colour are often the most homophobic. " Here goes the racist!!! | |||
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"A month for pride yet a day to honour the war dead " Disgraceful Although who indeed in reality actually takes any notice at all of the utter dribble of pride. Very few actually care about pride for a second of any day. It means absolutely nothing to me and majority of UK don't care | |||
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"I feel Pride has had its day. Too many groups, each with their own agenda are hi-jacking it. In Scotland all the political parties have been told to stay away. Come as an individual but not as a political party Pride is, was and should be political. Read up on the history. Indeed and people of colour are often the most homophobic. " Your just deliberately trying to shut debate down and make this place inhospitable to people of colour especially if they hold a different perspective. | |||
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"A month for pride yet a day to honour the war dead Disgraceful Although who indeed in reality actually takes any notice at all of the utter dribble of pride. Very few actually care about pride for a second of any day. It means absolutely nothing to me and majority of UK don't care " ... ... ... .... Internalised homophobia? | |||
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"Some might say being closet-case bisexual is internalised homophobia. " The reaction to Owain Wyn Evans always lets me know who has internal homophobia | |||
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"Some might say being closet-case bisexual is internalised homophobia. The reaction to Owain Wyn Evans always lets me know who has internal homophobia " .... ... Ah Sean Moore is still the Guv'nor... | |||
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"Some might say being closet-case bisexual is internalised homophobia. The reaction to Owain Wyn Evans always lets me know who has internal homophobia " Who? | |||
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"Tney may well do. You've overlooked the fact some of us aren't in the closet. And have experienced plenty hate on the street. From....white people....always. Btw The post about black people. Also cringe." We all have a different lived experience. My experiences of homophobia have come from people of colour. | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer." I didn't mention him. | |||
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"Tney may well do. You've overlooked the fact some of us aren't in the closet. And have experienced plenty hate on the street. From....white people....always. Btw The post about black people. Also cringe. We all have a different lived experience. My experiences of homophobia have come from people of colour. " Blimey, someone's gone all Meghan Markle | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him." I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia " To clarify , you're talking about other gay men? Not straight men? | |||
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"What are your thoughts on gay pride? Should it be a month long or celebrated on the 28th of June as that's when the Stonewall riots happed in 1969. " Manchester Sparkle weekend is 28th June | |||
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"I find it amusing that I've hardly ever heard genuine trans people disparaging the gay or lesbian community and yet there's an increasing number of gay men and lesbian women who talk down on and act like trans people are 2nd class citizens. For those who say that being trans is just a mental illness, let's not forget that not all that long ago being gay was considered a mental illness that was treat with electro convulsions therapy "   | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia " Are we allowed to find him irritating whilst still supporting his right to be irritating? | |||
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"If straight men have internalised homophobia they aren't in fact straight " Your second post wasn't clear. Yes, obviously there will still be straight guys that are homophobic. And what of the femme types who dislike the masculine tag? More of the same? | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia Are we allowed to find him irritating whilst still supporting his right to be irritating?" Irritating, here we go. What about him do you find irritating? | |||
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"Big Up The Good Folks Of Campbeltown. " They're no the worst ... | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia Are we allowed to find him irritating whilst still supporting his right to be irritating? Irritating, here we go. What about him do you find irritating?" Camp guys can be irritating. That's not to say he shouldn't be camp and irritating, but I find it, well, irritating. | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia Are we allowed to find him irritating whilst still supporting his right to be irritating? Irritating, here we go. What about him do you find irritating? Camp guys can be irritating. That's not to say he shouldn't be camp and irritating, but I find it, well, irritating. " Ever question yourself as to why you find that campness irritating? | |||
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"Too much transphobia. On here and out there. Nothing worse than a sleekit transphobe either. They stick out though." There are no trans people on here to get transphobic too. | |||
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"No..." Try it! You might learn about yourself. | |||
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"No... Try it! You might learn about yourself." And if I found a straight guy irritating because of his constant talk of tits and football? | |||
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"No... Try it! You might learn about yourself. And if I found a straight guy irritating because of his constant talk of tits and football?" Yup question everything! Honestly, go to therapy, it's great. You learn so much about yourself and other people on general. | |||
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"A BBC Weather Presenter and mustard drummer. I didn't mention him. I did because as soon as people start with the whole, he's too camp, effeminate or whatever I know they're harbouring deep homophobia Are we allowed to find him irritating whilst still supporting his right to be irritating? Irritating, here we go. What about him do you find irritating?" He’s an average drummer, a shit weather forecaster (but not the only one), loves himself more than anyone else possibly could, and is famous merely because he ticks a few bbc boxes. Nothing to do with him being gay or camp tbh. | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. " | |||
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"Willywoofters " This coming from someone that wears fake breasts has his wife's clothing on and calls himself something like Brenda... please! | |||
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" We all have a different lived experience. My experiences of homophobia have come from people of colour. " To also quote your earlier comment, "people of colour are often the most homophobic". In other words, "Many people of colour are the most homophobic. They have been to me, so that means that they are to everyone else." That's a really damaging mindset you have there. | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. " ... ... ... .. The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. . The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. " The OPs post is about Pride and support for Pride. As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. Community with, and support of, our Lesbian sisters is not division. A revival of the notion that sexual attraction is a choice is retrograde. | |||
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"I stand with the LGB Alliance. " I second that! | |||
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"Well, reading a considerable portion of this thread, it's like Pride has never existed and we're in the 1950s somewhere, if not further back. I hope it won't be like this on here all month." It's because, in relative terms, it's easier to be gay nowaday. People have got so used to privilege and being able to do what you like circumstances allowing, that all sense of purpose , community and standing together against oppression has died. Thereafter, people turn on each other inwardly. People seem to need someone else to blame. Rampant in the UK today... | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. . The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. The OPs post is about Pride and support for Pride. As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. Community with, and support of, our Lesbian sisters is not division. A revival of the notion that sexual attraction is a choice is retrograde. " A man who finds men attractive can't speak on men who find men attractive? Right ho!!   | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. " This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. . The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. The OPs post is about Pride and support for Pride. As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. Community with, and support of, our Lesbian sisters is not division. A revival of the notion that sexual attraction is a choice is retrograde. " .. Truly staggering. Are bisexual people not part of pride? On your logic, are you allowed to speak about bisexuality? Zilch about the forum not being a female space. Zilch about the reality of the contempt shown to cd's and tv's.. But as stated, a seeping... | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. . The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. The OPs post is about Pride and support for Pride. As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. Community with, and support of, our Lesbian sisters is not division. A revival of the notion that sexual attraction is a choice is retrograde. A man who finds men attractive can't speak on men who find men attractive? Right ho!! "Dick energy brings a level of understanding on a par with his understanding of African farming. | |||
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"Most of the animosity has arisen as straight males with a cross-dressing fetish have been included under the trans umbrella, call themselves lesbians and infiltrate female only spaces. The notion that a homosexual should be attracted to a person of a different sex, just because that person identifies as trans, is absurd, retrograde and homophobic. No different than christian fundamentalists thinking that you can pray the gay away. . The comments on here speak for themselves. The forum is not a female only space. Some are open in their dismissal of CD's and TV's, others are less brave and hide behind jokes and alleged banter. It's not difficult to see through. What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind? What is certainly retrograde is the politics of division which clearly are seeping through. The OPs post is about Pride and support for Pride. As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. Community with, and support of, our Lesbian sisters is not division. A revival of the notion that sexual attraction is a choice is retrograde. A man who finds men attractive can't speak on men who find men attractive? Right ho!!
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? " A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. | |||
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" Truly staggering. Are bisexual people not part of pride? On your logic, are you allowed to speak about bisexuality? Zilch about the forum not being a female space. Zilch about the reality of the contempt shown to cd's and tv's.. But as stated, a seeping..." Pride is also a female space. The forum post is about pride. | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. " Your brain is boiled by pre-op transexuals Some of us just want sex with men or sex with women, sometimes both sexes can be present other times just the one sex. | |||
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"Bile. " Oh dear! such a visceral reaction. Not very trans inclusive! | |||
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" Truly staggering. Are bisexual people not part of pride? On your logic, are you allowed to speak about bisexuality? Zilch about the forum not being a female space. Zilch about the reality of the contempt shown to cd's and tv's.. But as stated, a seeping... Pride is also a female space. The forum post is about pride. " ... . Yet you overlook the relevant point made about the forum. To defend your narrative. And still zilch. No surprise though. | |||
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"I find it amusing that I've hardly ever heard genuine trans people disparaging the gay or lesbian community and yet there's an increasing number of gay men and lesbian women who talk down on and act like trans people are 2nd class citizens. For those who say that being trans is just a mental illness, let's not forget that not all that long ago being gay was considered a mental illness that was treat with electro convulsions therapy " I don't consider them second class citizens, in fact I don't care about them at all, but I simply have nothing in common with them. | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. " But equally as a "gay" man you can't pass judgement on bisexual attraction. You can't have it both ways, ( unlike our bi friends...😃) | |||
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"I find it amusing that I've hardly ever heard genuine trans people disparaging the gay or lesbian community and yet there's an increasing number of gay men and lesbian women who talk down on and act like trans people are 2nd class citizens. For those who say that being trans is just a mental illness, let's not forget that not all that long ago being gay was considered a mental illness that was treat with electro convulsions therapy I don't consider them second class citizens, in fact I don't care about them at all, but I simply have nothing in common with them." Both minorities | |||
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"Bile. Oh dear! such a visceral reaction. Not very trans inclusive!" .... Honesty is the best policy when dealing with haters. Another day, another hole (sic) | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! Correct it is a gay organisation. Whilst sympathising and supporting trans people, gays and trans are not the same thing. I have known a couple of trans people in the past. Nice people but didn't really have anything in common with them. And as for the other 'letters' that have been thrown into this alphabet soup well half of them a meaningless and the other half just weird fads. LGBT+++ started off as a gay/lesbian group but it seems to have been hijacked and now we gays feel excluded. You, having nothing in common with a trans person or the other ++++ you mentioned doesn’t in itself constitute they are not part of the LGBTQIA+++ family. They very much are and will always be. Their fight is very much the gay male fight. Because the freedoms you enjoy can be very fleeting. I remember not long ago the straight folks were use the same language “Nice people but”…… It will do you a world of good to read up on the history of Pride. " Sorry but I don't believe there is an LGBTQ++++ family/community. Well there is but its a bit of an elitist group and if your face doesn't fit then you are not welcome. Found this a few years ago when I attended a couple of LGBT+++ meetings. Very cliquey. Very politically left-wing. More interested in weird things like non-binary/gender fluid than anything else. Felt a bit excluded. | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! Correct it is a gay organisation. Whilst sympathising and supporting trans people, gays and trans are not the same thing. I have known a couple of trans people in the past. Nice people but didn't really have anything in common with them. And as for the other 'letters' that have been thrown into this alphabet soup well half of them a meaningless and the other half just weird fads. LGBT+++ started off as a gay/lesbian group but it seems to have been hijacked and now we gays feel excluded. You, having nothing in common with a trans person or the other ++++ you mentioned doesn’t in itself constitute they are not part of the LGBTQIA+++ family. They very much are and will always be. Their fight is very much the gay male fight. Because the freedoms you enjoy can be very fleeting. I remember not long ago the straight folks were use the same language “Nice people but”…… It will do you a world of good to read up on the history of Pride. Sorry but I don't believe there is an LGBTQ++++ family/community. Well there is but its a bit of an elitist group and if your face doesn't fit then you are not welcome. Found this a few years ago when I attended a couple of LGBT+++ meetings. Very cliquey. Very politically left-wing. More interested in weird things like non-binary/gender fluid than anything else. Felt a bit excluded." I remember when it was fun. Then it changed... | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! Correct it is a gay organisation. Whilst sympathising and supporting trans people, gays and trans are not the same thing. I have known a couple of trans people in the past. Nice people but didn't really have anything in common with them. And as for the other 'letters' that have been thrown into this alphabet soup well half of them a meaningless and the other half just weird fads. LGBT+++ started off as a gay/lesbian group but it seems to have been hijacked and now we gays feel excluded. You, having nothing in common with a trans person or the other ++++ you mentioned doesn’t in itself constitute they are not part of the LGBTQIA+++ family. They very much are and will always be. Their fight is very much the gay male fight. Because the freedoms you enjoy can be very fleeting. I remember not long ago the straight folks were use the same language “Nice people but”…… It will do you a world of good to read up on the history of Pride. Sorry but I don't believe there is an LGBTQ++++ family/community. Well there is but its a bit of an elitist group and if your face doesn't fit then you are not welcome. Found this a few years ago when I attended a couple of LGBT+++ meetings. Very cliquey. Very politically left-wing. More interested in weird things like non-binary/gender fluid than anything else. Felt a bit excluded." Or just that particular group? Theirs no shortage of right wing gays!! Either on here or the media or politics | |||
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"Some might say being closet-case bisexual is internalised homophobia. The reaction to Owain Wyn Evans always lets me know who has internal homophobia " But but but Owain is not a gentleman of colour even though he wears some colourful suits  . Seen him a few times recently on HUTH. Not attractive to me like the gorgeous Dion but he is quite amusing | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. But equally as a "gay" man you can't pass judgement on bisexual attraction. You can't have it both ways, ( unlike our bi friends...😃) " He was specifically critiquing my comment on Gay attraction. | |||
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"Some might say being closet-case bisexual is internalised homophobia. The reaction to Owain Wyn Evans always lets me know who has internal homophobia But but but Owain is not a gentleman of colour even though he wears some colourful suits . Seen him a few times recently on HUTH. Not attractive to me like the gorgeous Dion but he is quite amusing"What does an individuals colour have to do with internalised homophobia? | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. But equally as a "gay" man you can't pass judgement on bisexual attraction. You can't have it both ways, ( unlike our bi friends...😃) He was specifically critiquing my comment on Gay attraction. " ... ... What actual words/post are you referring to? | |||
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" Truly staggering. Are bisexual people not part of pride? On your logic, are you allowed to speak about bisexuality? Zilch about the forum not being a female space. Zilch about the reality of the contempt shown to cd's and tv's.. But as stated, a seeping... Pride is also a female space. The forum post is about pride. ... . Yet you overlook the relevant point made about the forum. To defend your narrative. And still zilch. No surprise though. " The tangents, so many tangents. I'm discussing the OPs post about pride and support for pride, and the reason that many people have seen a decline in support pride. I'm not going to be morality police for other contributors hurty words. | |||
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" As a bisexual, you cannot speak on gay attraction. This is a communique from the Ministry of Splitting Hairs, right? A bisexual may be open to sex with a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vagina. But equally as a "gay" man you can't pass judgement on bisexual attraction. You can't have it both ways, ( unlike our bi friends...😃) He was specifically critiquing my comment on Gay attraction. ... ... What actual words/post are you referring to? " "What is certainly absurd is the comment re attraction. Who has talked up such a state of mind?" | |||
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"But who actually has? Who are you referring to? Tangents.... ahem. Nooo,you've never indulged.. 🤔😭 " You spend enough time on here. I thought you would have figured out that you need to read the thread from the top. Context is important. | |||
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"I was aware of the topic. You have been happy enough to engage in tangents when it suits. Did I suddenly start discussing the weather? You've spent enough time on here to know that if you dish it out etc... Pull the other one. " Again. Read from the top. | |||
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"I find it amusing that I've hardly ever heard genuine trans people disparaging the gay or lesbian community and yet there's an increasing number of gay men and lesbian women who talk down on and act like trans people are 2nd class citizens. For those who say that being trans is just a mental illness, let's not forget that not all that long ago being gay was considered a mental illness that was treat with electro convulsions therapy I don't consider them second class citizens, in fact I don't care about them at all, but I simply have nothing in common with them." And yet I probably have nothing in common with you or indeed many other gay men, and probably less in common with lesbians but it doesn't mean I wouldn't still show support to a disadvantaged community, and make no mistakes, the trans community is still a lot more disadvantaged than the LGB community | |||
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"I was aware of the topic. You have been happy enough to engage in tangents when it suits. Did I suddenly start discussing the weather? You've spent enough time on here to know that if you dish it out etc... Pull the other one. Again. Read from the top. " .... .... ... .... You managed to shoehorn African farming and a censorious slight on bi guys- including them being able to enjoy sex with men with vaginas. Tangents. Ahem. | |||
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" .. You managed to shoehorn African farming and a censorious slight on bi guys- including them being able to enjoy sex with men with vaginas. Tangents. Ahem. " So bisexuals being trans-inclusive is a slight? | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. So trans people can’t be LGB? Because those I know fit in all those groups. " The problem starts when a MtF trans declares they have changed their sex, but not their sexuality - they still fancy women, but now call themselves a lesbian. Other lesbians are not interested in someone with a cock between their legs. The LBG Alliance took off when Stonewall decided these lesbians were bigots for not sleeping with someone with a cock between their legs. At a stroke, Stonewall was telling every gay, lesbian and bisexual person they did not understand their own sexuality. | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. So trans people can’t be LGB? Because those I know fit in all those groups. The problem starts when a MtF trans declares they have changed their sex, but not their sexuality - they still fancy women, but now call themselves a lesbian. Other lesbians are not interested in someone with a cock between their legs. The LBG Alliance took off when Stonewall decided these lesbians were bigots for not sleeping with someone with a cock between their legs. At a stroke, Stonewall was telling every gay, lesbian and bisexual person they did not understand their own sexuality." Stonewall has failed the community as a whole over the last few years. They've caused so much discord. | |||
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"LGB Alliance, a so called gay organisation that’s not inclusive. Let’s not forget our history!! It is inclusive, it just sees there's a difference between gay people and trans people. So trans people can’t be LGB? Because those I know fit in all those groups. The problem starts when a MtF trans declares they have changed their sex, but not their sexuality - they still fancy women, but now call themselves a lesbian. Other lesbians are not interested in someone with a cock between their legs. The LBG Alliance took off when Stonewall decided these lesbians were bigots for not sleeping with someone with a cock between their legs. At a stroke, Stonewall was telling every gay, lesbian and bisexual person they did not understand their own sexuality. Stonewall has failed the community as a whole over the last few years. They've caused so much discord." Weird how Stonewall were notoriously Biphobic for years (decades) but so quick to embrace transexuality. | |||
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"Stonewall also created a funding grift pushing an ideology that turned off a lot of previously tolerant people. With gay rights no one tried to control or legislate other's language. " Funding....hmmm, good point! It was something of a running joke in the BI community that Stonewall only ever mentioned Bisexuals when they were looking for donations/funding. | |||
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"The LGBT community isn't really a community as stated before, it's a disparate group of sexual minorities plus Trans people and should be viewed as problematic like BAME is now. I feel dimished as a gay man if someone refers to me as a LGBT person" Same here. I'm Bisexual and want to be seen as such. Someone calling me an LGBT guy just fuels bi erasure. However I can understand how lumping us all together in the face of adversity can be productive. | |||
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"The LGBT community isn't really a community as stated before, it's a disparate group of sexual minorities plus Trans people and should be viewed as problematic like BAME is now. I feel dimished as a gay man if someone refers to me as a LGBT person" Same here. I'm gay. I was briefly bi in my 20s--well tried to be straight to conform but it wasn't for me. I am obviously not a lesbian and I am most certainly not trans. | |||
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"Think pride has had it's day. it has become to commercial and too in your face with flags outside the town hall etc. The bigots will never change but it has annoyed people who previously did not care either way as they see it as gays demanding special treatment. I just want to live my life quietly as a straight person does. " Your reply and that of many on the forum is very much why Pride is as relevant as it was when it started. | |||
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