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"I had a heart valve replacement earlier this year, the procedure was a success but I have now ended up with PTSD I never thought for one minute I would end up with mental health issues. I have never suffered with mental health before , it is really hard to explain how and why I feel the way I do. " Your alive and have survived a serious operational procedure, respect to you. Wishing you a healthy future, do something positive with your new lease of life. | |||
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"My mental health is affected by the disturbing comments of many on this forum " well don't read them | |||
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"It would be good if there were versions of the Andy's Men's Club for Gay , Bi n Trans folks . I think as we get slightly more mature the 'gay scene ' and society at large rejects us and sees us as too old or our feelings are not valid. On a personal level I have been for a form of counselling only today. Had loads of issues with various Mental Health stuff over the decades. Happy to chat privately about this, most of this I like to keep discreet. " I stoked the debate and we have an articulate & real contender. Hi Phil, A worthy comment on your situation and I hope the counselling went well for you today. Sometimes counselling can be a bit wishy-washy, telling you thing you want to hear. I'm a bit more direct with the home truths. You're a proper gay man, celebrate it. Even at 56, you can get more out of your life & your sexuality. The sands of time are ticking and it's time to change your diet & shape up. The junk food & sweets is contributing to your (mental) health issues. Lemon & hot water to start the day, a pinch of jasmine tea (from the Chinese supermarket), more fruit & veg to help those food cravings, keep meat consumption to 2-3 days a week. Buy nice meat. Steak, you'll deserve it. Walk 30+ minutes everyday, to work or shop. Go swimming, low impact & builds muscle & strength from within. Don't run or gym, that's for younger, smaller guys. Set yourself weekly, monthly & year on year targets, for how you're going to look & feel in the future. Good luck, you can do it.  | |||
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"Quite a lot more too it than that with Physical health conditions. I do exercise everyday . As well as exercise my mind . I came out at a reasonably young age , so there ain't stuggles with my sexuality . Like many a fella on here. My appointment went well, and I am back there in a fortnight. A lot of my issues are around other people's general ignorance and assumptions. I get by though ." Great Phil. A considered & personal response. It builds a picture. Other peoples general ignorance & assumptions are unfortunately something we all have to deal with. Stoicism (in both its definitions) has been a great help to me. It doesn't mean bottling up your emotions, nor having a thick skin. It's more to do with logically selecting & winning the personal battles within your life. Forgoing other battles for another winnable day.  | |||
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"Quite a lot more too it than that with Physical health conditions. I do exercise everyday . As well as exercise my mind . I came out at a reasonably young age , so there ain't stuggles with my sexuality . Like many a fella on here. My appointment went well, and I am back there in a fortnight. A lot of my issues are around other people's general ignorance and assumptions. I get by though . Great Phil. A considered & personal response. It builds a picture. Other peoples general ignorance & assumptions are unfortunately something we all have to deal with. Stoicism (in both its definitions) has been a great help to me. It doesn't mean bottling up your emotions, nor having a thick skin. It's more to do with logically selecting & winning the personal battles within your life. Forgoing other battles for another winnable day. "I know I try to get by. Today really helped. We do need to help each other get by. So many more fellas ( of all ages ),end up taking their own lives. We all need to a little each day that makes us feel good , outside of the drink , cigarettes and recreational d@ugs though. | |||
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"It is man up not manage, bloody autocorrect." I rest my case. Go back to PornHub. | |||
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" I know I try to get by. Today really helped. We do need to help each other get by. So many more fellas ( of all ages ),end up taking their own lives. We all need to a little each day that makes us feel good , outside of the drink , cigarettes and recreational d@ugs though." If you can stop or cut back on cigarettes & alcohol once you're in your 40/50s great! Recreationals have become much more nuanced. If they help you unwind from a stressful life, then treat yourself, under the guidance of "less is more". If recreationals are a lifestyle and creep into work & family life, then you need help. 12 steps is an option. For those considering taking their own lives, I'd have a look at the relationships around them, "Who's the toxic? Them or me?" If it's them, or they're holding you back, then it's time to leave them. | |||
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"It is man up not manage, bloody autocorrect. I rest my case. Go back to PornHub." what are you on about, all I was saying was correcting a mistake on my post. What's porn hub got anything to do with this??? | |||
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"Nice to see a lot of supportive comments around a sometimes tricky topic. I have experienced recurring depression since adolescence and telling me to “man up” would not have helped at all. Having a close family member arrested in an early morning raid and sectioned (Section 3 - potentially indefinitely) has been traumatic this year, but having begged the authorities for help for twenty-five years and having them being, apparently, unable to help the family deal with serious mental health issues we all knew were there has been an experience I would not wish on anyone. “Manning up” does not work especially when the sufferer cannot recognise there is any issue and they consider they have superpowers seeing the world as they do. Strangely, several months in a secure psychiatric establishment, professional support and appropriate meds have enabled our loved one to be able to begin to pick up the bits of a shattered life from where their erratic behaviour had driven all friends and most family members away. “Man up” indeed!! Shocking and ignorant. I’ve recently met a man who served in the armed forces in three theatres of war as a bomb disposal specialist. To me there are few braver than him doing that kind of work. He is now dealing with PTSD. How would you explain to him he needs to “man up”?"  | |||
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"It would be good if there were versions of the Andy's Men's Club for Gay , Bi n Trans folks . I think as we get slightly more mature the 'gay scene ' and society at large rejects us and sees us as too old or our feelings are not valid. On a personal level I have been for a form of counselling only today. Had loads of issues with various Mental Health stuff over the decades. Happy to chat privately about this, most of this I like to keep discreet. " | |||
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"Why does there need to be a ‘version’ of it for gay and bi folk? As a mental health first aider I can assure you that gay and bi men are more than welcome at Andy’s Man Club as they are after all men, regardless of sexual preference. I’m not sure why you would think they wouldn’t be. The idea of making gay/bi men think that should be segregated from straight men for the purpose of mental health would probably cause more problems than it solved Trans folk would be directed to the Hub of Hope which would offer a more beneficial service. It would be good if there were versions of the Andy's Men's Club for Gay , Bi n Trans folks . I think as we get slightly more mature the 'gay scene ' and society at large rejects us and sees us as too old or our feelings are not valid. On a personal level I have been for a form of counselling only today. Had loads of issues with various Mental Health stuff over the decades. Happy to chat privately about this, most of this I like to keep discreet. " Perhaps the idea is because people may feel it’s easier to talk about certain subjects with people of a similar background and feel that people may be less judgmental of some of the things that would be talked about. I would counter the argument that there is no need for a gay/bi man’s club with the argument that in that case there is no need for separate men’s and women’s groups- it’s all mental health after all. And be for you ask no I’ve not been to Andy’s mans club, but a close friend of mine has. I think it is a case of having different horses for different courses. I hope that makes some sense. | |||
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"Why does there need to be a ‘version’ of it for gay and bi folk? As a mental health first aider I can assure you that gay and bi men are more than welcome at Andy’s Man Club as they are after all men, regardless of sexual preference. I’m not sure why you would think they wouldn’t be. The idea of making gay/bi men think that should be segregated from straight men for the purpose of mental health would probably cause more problems than it solved Trans folk would be directed to the Hub of Hope which would offer a more beneficial service. It would be good if there were versions of the Andy's Men's Club for Gay , Bi n Trans folks . I think as we get slightly more mature the 'gay scene ' and society at large rejects us and sees us as too old or our feelings are not valid. On a personal level I have been for a form of counselling only today. Had loads of issues with various Mental Health stuff over the decades. Happy to chat privately about this, most of this I like to keep discreet. Perhaps the idea is because people may feel it’s easier to talk about certain subjects with people of a similar background and feel that people may be less judgmental of some of the things that would be talked about. I would counter the argument that there is no need for a gay/bi man’s club with the argument that in that case there is no need for separate men’s and women’s groups- it’s all mental health after all. And be for you ask no I’ve not been to Andy’s mans club, but a close friend of mine has. I think it is a case of having different horses for different courses. I hope that makes some sense. " I totally agree. What is right for one man might not be for the next. Some are happy in the closet , some of us came out kicking and screaming as teenagers. I live in a huge city , but the gay groups don't seem to bother with us guys over 35 , the gay scene can seem similar. So I think there is a need , if just via the forum to share and be frank with one another. We don't all have to agree all the time either. | |||
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"Would like to start a forum for guys wanting to post or want to talk about issues around their mental health. There is a post on Sexual Health. Can the site set up a separate section on help, advise and a forum for us to talk about Mental issues?…….. Your thoughts and opinions welcome.. Sin. xxxxxxxxxx" Great idea! A forum focussing on mental health issues would be very useful. | |||
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"Men with mental health issues. Become adept at hiding the issues and pain associated with it. A breakdown isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of being too strong for too long. Get help if you can. Talk to someone who cares, avoid toxic people." I couldn't agree more. Its important to talk to the right people. Although sharing experiences/feelings on here can be fantastic, I often see threads that just reinforce negative ideals, old fashioned stigma, irrational fears. Just look at the terrible misinformation and fear mongering about sexual health for example. When a person is in that negative headspace - they subconsciously focus on the negative opinions. For instance, It's how many on here are convinced they could never speak about their sexuality to family members. I did it myself - every negative comment over the decades rang through my brain and I wasn't able to consider the world had changed around me, that people has changed around me. So I don't think a dedicated forum for mental health is a good idea. How do you moderate that? It could be more damaging than helpful. What would be particularly useful would be informative links to government websites, mental health helplines, other resources. They would be there for when people need them. And , we always have the freedom to post about mental health on here if we want anyway. Last year, I provided care a man with early onset dementia (65). He had become aggressive due to the confusion/frustration and progression of the disease (aphasia - losing the ability to speak). As his needs got higher I moved with him from different settings - his home, the ER, Hospital, mental health hospital (no spaces in specialist age care). At the same time, my own dad got diagnosed as terminally ill. I felt a huge amount of guilt that I was on the other side of the world taking care of someone else's dad when my own wasn't well. How do I choose who to support?. But life is complicated and my life is here currently, I can only spread myself so thinly. My dad has lots of people around him to provide support. Once the man I supported passed away after 6 months, it took a toll on me emotionally. As men we are told/taught to hide our weaknesses, to be strong, not to show emotion..... To suck it up. Thankfully I learned in my mid 20s that this is a load of bs. We are human beings we feel, we have needs,wants and desires. We have to take care of ourselves if we expect to take care of others and be the one they lean on. So I knew to talk to someone to process everything that happened and was happening. And I stopped those feelings I was having from getting a grip and taking over my life. And that's how mental health works. Its no different to going to the doctor for a chest infection or to the physio for back pain. It's mens mental health month. So, if you are feeling down , talk to someone - be that a friend, neighbour, stranger online or a professional. That's the first step towards healing. | |||
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"It's a great idea, but would only be effective if it's monitored by admin. My mental health issues are permanent, I accept that fact. Just hate the days it wins" Adopt Stohicism www.facebook.com/share/r/16n6cZ5mVG/ | |||
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"You sound like a Hypocrite, on the one hand you welcome the space to talk then on the other you criticise this Forum. At least we are now talking……??? Let’s express more of our feelings…. Please guys, let’s support this Forum, let us find a space to talk………Please…….. We are not here to judge, jury and execute, but, to learn to empathise and , by so doing understand ourself better. Please keep posting your comments.. Best wishes. Sin. xxxxxxxxxxx" Its a pity that you've come to that conclusion and focused on that from reading what I said. I wish you all the best. A | |||
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"It's a great idea, but would only be effective if it's monitored by admin. My mental health issues are permanent, I accept that fact. Just hate the days it wins Adopt Stohicism www.facebook.com/share/r/16n6cZ5mVG/" Stoicism is great, but it's not enough, as your first comment on this post shows. It's a very limited philosophy. | |||
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"It's a great idea, but would only be effective if it's monitored by admin. My mental health issues are permanent, I accept that fact. Just hate the days it wins Adopt Stohicism www.facebook.com/share/r/16n6cZ5mVG/ Stoicism is great, but it's not enough, as your first comment on this post shows. It's a very limited philosophy. " .... .... Limited? Hmmmm. | |||
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"It's a great idea, but would only be effective if it's monitored by admin. My mental health issues are permanent, I accept that fact. Just hate the days it wins Adopt Stohicism www.facebook.com/share/r/16n6cZ5mVG/ Stoicism is great, but it's not enough, as your first comment on this post shows. It's a very limited philosophy. .... .... Limited? Hmmmm. " It only accounts for physical activities, not spiritual. | |||
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"It's a great idea, but would only be effective if it's monitored by admin. My mental health issues are permanent, I accept that fact. Just hate the days it wins Adopt Stohicism www.facebook.com/share/r/16n6cZ5mVG/" Stoicism is all well and good for Roman aristocrats who have nothing to do all day but philosophically pontificate whilst their (the forum bans the actual word] 'unpaid workers' do all the hard labour. | |||
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"Diagnosed a few weeks ago with PTSD trauma that I did not know I've had since I was a young lad. I knew something was not right with me especially the anger and anxiety but all stems from abuse as a young lad at 10 years old. Did not help getting r...p in a sana by a guy at 12. I knew at school there something different to my sexual preferences especially watching the boys bums in the showers. But then I loved the girls to so I would fleet between m and f I wanted both. Currently waiting for counselling to start and hope it helps. Tried suicide not long ago but got stopped the police, self harm and cutting is part of my response to stress at the moment. Keeping my bisexualality from my gorgeous wife after 30 years has not helped but an awful nightmare nightmare riddled with guilt after meets. Told her 6 months ago and expected to lose everything Inc kids but we are still here talking about it, kids don't know. Sadly suicide in bisexual men is in the up massively and mental health should be taken very seriously there is no support for us men who struggle. There should be dedicated section for mental health support Delete m" Hope you can work through things with the counsellor  | |||
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"My mental health is affected by the disturbing comments of many on this forum " Then man-up, learn to cope with it! Try not to cry... D'oh! | |||
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"I had a heart valve replacement earlier this year, the procedure was a success but I have now ended up with PTSD I never thought for one minute I would end up with mental health issues. I have never suffered with mental health before , it is really hard to explain how and why I feel the way I do. " Depression, I went through a bout of that many years ago... could never fiqure out where it came from or why! I just tried to concentrate on the good things in my life and thankfully it went away! Some folks just need a good blub and a cry to let it all hang out... depends how you are wired I spose! | |||
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"“If you don't love yourself, nobody will. Let go of your self-imprisoned thoughts and emotions, set yourself free and start to live again” I’m struggling again. Don’t like myself. Zero self esteem after abuse, bad relationships. Had therapy but inevitably slide back into the black hole. After a health ‘event’ last year I have mild PTSD, high functioning depression & isolate myself. I know I’ll come out of it again soon as I have before but it’s just hard sometimes. " Did you see your GP for an assessment? Did your GP check your blood bio-chemistry, dopamine, serotonin levels etc? Any initial medications prescribed? Did your GP refer you to a Specialist Psychiatrist, Psychologist, Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist for an accurate diagnosis and treatment? Any medications prescribed? Did you attend any therapies eg counselling, psychotherapy, talking therapies like cognitive behavioural therapy, Interpersonal Therapy, Meta-Cognitive Therapy, Psychodynamic therapy, Group Therapy and other support services etc. | |||
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"“If you don't love yourself, nobody will. Let go of your self-imprisoned thoughts and emotions, set yourself free and start to live again” I’m struggling again. Don’t like myself. Zero self esteem after abuse, bad relationships. Had therapy but inevitably slide back into the black hole. After a health ‘event’ last year I have mild PTSD, high functioning depression & isolate myself. I know I’ll come out of it again soon as I have before but it’s just hard sometimes. " Join and attend the support group you are invited to attend, try not to isolate yourself. Wherever you are, always remember there are many people who loves you. | |||
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"It's an important topic for sure but I'm not completely sure this is the place to tell people I feel like killing myself most of the time. Maybe I'm wrong though. " You are absolutely right. It is not the right place. Imagine unqualified person acting as a Psychiatrist diagnosing you and prescribing treatment or a course of actions, telling you what to do, making decisions for you and you ended up much more worse. For example there was a short turbulence within myself when my partner fell in love with a guy recently. As a result, I became heavily addicted to sex with other guys. Many guys advised me to leave him but I refused. Finally we are still together stronger while my partner's boyfriend left my partner instead. Another unhealthy trend is projection and transference often practised by some individuals which can be counter-productive in the therapeutic process. | |||
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"Would like to start a forum for guys wanting to post or want to talk about issues around their mental health. There is a post on Sexual Health. Can the site set up a separate section on help, advise and a forum for us to talk about Mental issues?…….. Your thoughts and opinions welcome.. Sin. xxxxxxxxxx" Personally I would welcome it. Depression isn't nice and just telling people to pull themselves together /buckle up/man up doesn't help. I'm now on my 4th (or 5th?) different antidepressant. Physical health is declining fast as well, spondylosis in neck, polyarticular osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, COPD and a few hernias aren't helping as there are days when I just wish it would all end - when the pain is unbearable and it just escalates the depression. Having a dedicated forum could at least offer somewhere to talk (I live alone).  | |||
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" … You are absolutely right. It is not the right place. Imagine unqualified person acting as a Psychiatrist diagnosing you and prescribing treatment or a course of actions, telling you what to do, making decisions for you and you ended up much worse… " Can you be the same person who posted just 2 hours earlier in the above to someone else: “Did you see your GP for an assessment? Did your GP check your blood bio-chemistry, dopamine, serotonin levels etc? Any initial medications prescribed? Did your GP refer you to a Specialist Psychiatrist, Psychologist, Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist for an accurate diagnosis and treatment? Any medications prescribed? Did you attend any therapies eg counselling, psychotherapy, talking therapies like cognitive behavioural therapy, Interpersonal Therapy, Meta-Cognitive Therapy, Psychodynamic therapy, Group Therapy and other support services etc.” Medice, cura te ipsum. | |||
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"Would like to start a forum for guys wanting to post or want to talk about issues around their mental health. There is a post on Sexual Health. Can the site set up a separate section on help, advise and a forum for us to talk about Mental issues?…….. Your thoughts and opinions welcome.. Sin. xxxxxxxxxx Personally I would welcome it. Depression isn't nice and just telling people to pull themselves together /buckle up/man up doesn't help. I'm now on my 4th (or 5th?) different antidepressant. Physical health is declining fast as well, spondylosis in neck, polyarticular osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, COPD and a few hernias aren't helping as there are days when I just wish it would all end - when the pain is unbearable and it just escalates the depression. Having a dedicated forum could at least offer somewhere to talk (I live alone). "Good idea to have a Mental Health Forum in Fabsguy too. I fully support it. But there are much more reliable and professional mental health support groups in the Community organised by NHS. | |||
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" … You are absolutely right. It is not the right place. Imagine unqualified person acting as a Psychiatrist diagnosing you and prescribing treatment or a course of actions, telling you what to do, making decisions for you and you ended up much worse… Can you be the same person who posted just 2 hours earlier in the above to someone else: “Did you see your GP for an assessment? Did your GP check your blood bio-chemistry, dopamine, serotonin levels etc? Any initial medications prescribed? Did your GP refer you to a Specialist Psychiatrist, Psychologist, Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist for an accurate diagnosis and treatment? Any medications prescribed? Did you attend any therapies eg counselling, psychotherapy, talking therapies like cognitive behavioural therapy, Interpersonal Therapy, Meta-Cognitive Therapy, Psychodynamic therapy, Group Therapy and other support services etc.” Medice, cura te ipsum." They are questions, not prescription mate. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. " Mindfulness is not a magic bullet. There is no one size fits all treatment for depression or anxiety or cptsd or bipolar disorder etc. There comes a point where trying to do basic day to day stuff is a seemingly impossible task. Self care, housework, socialising. Normally functioning is exhausting, where your so consumed by dark thoughts, self hatred, and utter hopelessness that even the mental health professionals you see say they don't know what to do with you and just discharge you to get on with it. Fucking mindfulness and meditation won't help you when you fully believe everything would be better if you were dead. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness is not a magic bullet. There is no one size fits all treatment for depression or anxiety or cptsd or bipolar disorder etc. There comes a point where trying to do basic day to day stuff is a seemingly impossible task. Self care, housework, socialising. Normally functioning is exhausting, where your so consumed by dark thoughts, self hatred, and utter hopelessness that even the mental health professionals you see say they don't know what to do with you and just discharge you to get on with it. Fucking mindfulness and meditation won't help you when you fully believe everything would be better if you were dead. " There was a guy in the mental health hospital who they were supposed to be helping. For months he was locked in isolation and the only time he saw a person was for food and the doctor coming to see him once a week for an hour. Finally they did start letting him come out to the dining room at lunch times. The isolation must have drove him mad though. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. " Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away | |||
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" … You are absolutely right. It is not the right place. Imagine unqualified person acting as a Psychiatrist diagnosing you and prescribing treatment or a course of actions, telling you what to do, making decisions for you and you ended up much worse… Can you be the same person who posted just 2 hours earlier in the above to someone else: “Did you see your GP for an assessment? Did your GP check your blood bio-chemistry, dopamine, serotonin levels etc? Any initial medications prescribed? Did your GP refer you to a Specialist Psychiatrist, Psychologist, Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist for an accurate diagnosis and treatment? Any medications prescribed? Did you attend any therapies eg counselling, psychotherapy, talking therapies like cognitive behavioural therapy, Interpersonal Therapy, Meta-Cognitive Therapy, Psychodynamic therapy, Group Therapy and other support services etc.” Medice, cura te ipsum." Good question. To be fair to him, most of these posts come directly out a LLM, so maybe have a degree of veracity, but you raise a good point about posters here being wildly inconsistent and posting what is a socially rewarding comment in one thread and totally going in the opposite direction in another. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. " Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness is not a magic bullet. There is no one size fits all treatment for depression or anxiety or cptsd or bipolar disorder etc. There comes a point where trying to do basic day to day stuff is a seemingly impossible task. Self care, housework, socialising. Normally functioning is exhausting, where your so consumed by dark thoughts, self hatred, and utter hopelessness that even the mental health professionals you see say they don't know what to do with you and just discharge you to get on with it. Fucking mindfulness and meditation won't help you when you fully believe everything would be better if you were dead. " Mindfulness is literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone, it is the only thing guaranteed to work if you do it. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people." This is literally not true. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away " Mental health issues are not diseases, clearly, sure they are rubbish, but they are not cancer. And, you can meditate them away, you just have to actually do it. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away Mental health issues are not diseases, clearly, sure they are rubbish, but they are not cancer. And, you can meditate them away, you just have to actually do it. " There is good evidence that mental illness is related to several chemical and hormonal imbalances affecting brain function. You can't meditate that away. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away Mental health issues are not diseases, clearly, sure they are rubbish, but they are not cancer. And, you can meditate them away, you just have to actually do it. There is good evidence that mental illness is related to several chemical and hormonal imbalances affecting brain function. You can't meditate that away. " Man alive, why is it so hard to accept that something works. Try it and find out, or dont and dont, it works regardless. | |||
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" Man alive, why is it so hard to accept that something works. Try it and find out, or dont and dont, it works regardless. " Something may have worked for you. That does not mean that it will work for everybody else, there are no magic bullets. On a topic as sensitive as mental illness, making an assertion that people are just not trying, is blaming them and is little different to suggesting that they 'pull themselves together' or 'just cheer up'. | |||
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"Seeing as mindfulness was actually a big thing with my psychologist. It is basically being present in your mind and hearing and feeling. Now even to anyone who does not have mental health problems tell me exactly how that helps intrusive thoughts that may be horrible or sick and you don't want, and hearing disembodied voices that can be nasty or horrible or sick, and feeling sensations and phantom pains. Years later I can tell you being stuck in your mind while the world goes on around you that you don't notice and are not distracted by.. it does not help." Of course voices are nicer these days, the thoughts are mostly good and there are few phantom pains these days. They recommend mindfulness because that is the best option they know but it really is not that helpful. | |||
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" Man alive, why is it so hard to accept that something works. Try it and find out, or dont and dont, it works regardless. Something may have worked for you. That does not mean that it will work for everybody else, there are no magic bullets. On a topic as sensitive as mental illness, making an assertion that people are just not trying, is blaming them and is little different to suggesting that they 'pull themselves together' or 'just cheer up'. " It is a magic bullet and you know I'm clearly not asserting that people are not trying and blaming then. You're consistently antagonistic and it's sad and pathetic. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people. This is literally not true. " you just described it as a magic bullet for everyone and everything. Sorry but that kinda renders your arguments inconsequential. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people. This is literally not true. you just described it as a magic bullet for everyone and everything. Sorry but that kinda renders your arguments inconsequential. " No it doesn't. All of the problems on this post have the same common cause; meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems. It's not a trick, there is no con going on, it's not religious, it just works. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people. This is literally not true. you just described it as a magic bullet for everyone and everything. Sorry but that kinda renders your arguments inconsequential. No it doesn't. All of the problems on this post have the same common cause; meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems. It's not a trick, there is no con going on, it's not religious, it just works. " Ok now I'm sure you're just trolling, nobody can be that dense | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Mindfulness? That’s just a trademarked version of paying attention and not staring at your phone when doing things. But a new name was needed because no one was going to pay thousands to be told to pay attention. Absolutely pseudoscience marketing BS to extract money from vulnerable people. This is literally not true. you just described it as a magic bullet for everyone and everything. Sorry but that kinda renders your arguments inconsequential. No it doesn't. All of the problems on this post have the same common cause; meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems. It's not a trick, there is no con going on, it's not religious, it just works. " Your mistake is assuming everyone responds in the same ways to the same sorts of stimulus. Don’t you think if it was as simple as you are saying, we could have fixed it by now? Sorry pal, but you sound like the dangerous example of a halfway intelligent person who doesn’t realise they only know a little bit of the whole. | |||
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" … All of the problems on this post have the same common cause; meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems. It's not a trick, there is no con going on, it's not religious, it just works... " “Om Mani Padme Hum… Om Mani Padme Hum...” I’m always terribly “mindful” of quacks and charlatans. So I can avoid them. | |||
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"Wow, it's fascinating how some people choose to be ignorant, perhaps it's easier than putting any actual effort into their lives. " Seems like your 'magic bullet' mindfulness hasn't helped with the ability to take criticism, nor to resist the temptation to lash out with personal insults, nor to suspend the egotistical assumption that your personal experience must be common to every other person. | |||
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"Wow, it's fascinating how some people choose to be ignorant, perhaps it's easier than putting any actual effort into their lives. " Disagreeing with an overly simplistic viewpoint is not choosing ignorance, it is simply demonstrating critical thinking in the face do what appears tantamount to dogma. | |||
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"Wow, it's fascinating how some people choose to be ignorant, perhaps it's easier than putting any actual effort into their lives. " Someone above has suggested that meditation and mindfulness, done properly, will eliminate all of this negativity… | |||
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"Good grief. " Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! " There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. " You appear to be looking in a mirror | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror" I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. " For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. " Ok, evidence please? | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. Ok, evidence please?" Sure, start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult. | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away Mental health issues won’t kill you. They might cause you to kill yourself if you don’t seek help but the mental health issue itself won’t kill you, unlike cancer. So please please don’t compare the two very serious issues." It doesn't really matter if the disease kills you or the effects of an illness make you kill yourself- the result is the same | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. Ok, evidence please? Sure, start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult. " Ahh ok so you have no evidence. But you repeat the same old lines and start to be abusive to those who dare to question your very thin logic. We see where this is going and I think it’s safe to continue to disregard what is clearly not a serious contribution. | |||
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"This is a verbatim compendium of the advice the thread has received from one quarter on mindfulness and meditation. —————- “true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away” “you just have to do it” “try again and dont stop” “you'll be right as rain in almost no time” “Mindfulness is literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone” “it is the only thing guaranteed to work” “you can meditate them [mental health diseases] away, you just have to actually do it” “it works regardless” “It is a magic bullet” “I'm clearly not asserting that people are not trying” “meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems” “it's not religious, it just works” “some people choose to be ignorant, perhaps it's easier than putting any actual effort into their lives” “There's no lecturing going on” “some people are so dismissive of something that actually works” “how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that” “it's as simple as that” “start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult” ———— It’s quite something. Try harder! Vs. Some people are not putting any actual effort into their lives Vs. I’m not asserting that people are not trying… Some people choose to be ignorant Vs. How scared of effort and change do you have to be Vs. There’s no lecturing going on… It’s guaranteed / it’s a magic bullet / it works regardless. Inconsistent, judgmental, intolerant, obsessive. You sound like the devotee of some cult. Ridiculous sweeping claims about the panacea of your new-age thinking. This is pure quackery. It’s actually quite dangerous for stuff like this to be said to people with actual and legitimate mental health issues." Clearly you have a lot of time on your hands, it could be better spent. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. Ok, evidence please? Sure, start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult. Ahh ok so you have no evidence. But you repeat the same old lines and start to be abusive to those who dare to question your very thin logic. We see where this is going and I think it’s safe to continue to disregard what is clearly not a serious contribution. " The evidence is all there, if you do it. If you do it then all your problems are solved, if you don’t do it then you keep your problems. It's not rocket science, it just takes a bit of effort. | |||
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"… Clearly you have a lot of time on your hands, it could be better spent... " A little time is always valuably invested if it helps to point out folly, hypocrisy and hubris. I hope you kept the receipts for your mindful meditation materials as I’m not detecting Zen-like quiescence in your aura… | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away Mental health issues won’t kill you. They might cause you to kill yourself if you don’t seek help but the mental health issue itself won’t kill you, unlike cancer. So please please don’t compare the two very serious issues. It doesn't really matter if the disease kills you or the effects of an illness make you kill yourself- the result is the same" It really does matter when they are being compared. And having suffered with both, I’d take a mental health problem every time. | |||
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"I woke up to a message a little while ago from a friend. A guy I grew up with, took his own life last night at age 39. We grew apart in secondary school but, I saw him most days as he lived around the corner. (I haven't seen him in years) It's goes to show you that you never know what someone is going through. Some kind words, an open ear, an invitation for a cup of tea or just a passing hello could save a life. Treat others as you would like them to treat you .
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"I woke up to a message a little while ago from a friend. A guy I grew up with, took his own life last night at age 39. We grew apart in secondary school but, I saw him most days as he lived around the corner. (I haven't seen him in years) It's goes to show you that you never know what someone is going through. Some kind words, an open ear, an invitation for a cup of tea or just a passing hello could save a life. Treat others as you would like them to treat you .
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I'm sorry to hear this fella x"Thank you. I'm fine though. It just puts things in perspective I suppose. Life is short. Do what you want to do, do whoever you want to do lol  , say what you want to say, be who you want to be and enjoy it . | |||
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"This is a verbatim compendium of the advice the thread has received from one quarter on mindfulness and meditation. —————- “true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away” “you just have to do it” “try again and dont stop” “you'll be right as rain in almost no time” “Mindfulness is literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone” “it is the only thing guaranteed to work” “you can meditate them [mental health diseases] away, you just have to actually do it” “it works regardless” “It is a magic bullet” “I'm clearly not asserting that people are not trying” “meditation and mindfulness, done properly will eliminate all of these problems” “it's not religious, it just works” “some people choose to be ignorant, perhaps it's easier than putting any actual effort into their lives” “There's no lecturing going on” “some people are so dismissive of something that actually works” “how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that” “it's as simple as that” “start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult” ———— It’s quite something. Try harder! Vs. Some people are not putting any actual effort into their lives Vs. I’m not asserting that people are not trying… Some people choose to be ignorant Vs. How scared of effort and change do you have to be Vs. There’s no lecturing going on… It’s guaranteed / it’s a magic bullet / it works regardless. Inconsistent, judgmental, intolerant, obsessive. You sound like the devotee of some cult. Ridiculous sweeping claims about the panacea of your new-age thinking. This is pure quackery. It’s actually quite dangerous for stuff like this to be said to people with actual and legitimate mental health issues." I just ignore him. He obviously hasn't got a fkn clue and is just 'trying' to sound clever. If he genuinely had ANY idea what he's talking about he'd realise how contradictory and utterly unhelpful his comments are. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. Ok, evidence please? Sure, start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult. Ahh ok so you have no evidence. But you repeat the same old lines and start to be abusive to those who dare to question your very thin logic. We see where this is going and I think it’s safe to continue to disregard what is clearly not a serious contribution. The evidence is all there, if you do it. If you do it then all your problems are solved, if you don’t do it then you keep your problems. It's not rocket science, it just takes a bit of effort. 😂😂😂😂You have presented no evidence. Not a single iota. Your points are invalid. You cannot come into a discussion and assume to be take seriously just by calling everyone who counters your points ‘lazy’. As a result, no one is taking you seriously. " I haven't called anyone lazy, as well you know; find out for yourself, or don't, the answers are there regardless. | |||
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"Good grief. Do you know… that’s exactly what I exclaimed when I found out someone was wanting to lecture me on meditation on the internet…?! Weird, eh! There's no lecturing going on, just trying to be helpful. But this forum contains some of the most close minded and ignorant people I've ever encountered. You appear to be looking in a mirror I genuinely don't understand why some people are so dismissive of something that actually works. It clearly didn’t work for you because you seem absolutely incapable of understanding that humans are different and just because you think it helped you doesn’t mean it can be effective for everyone. Your apparent lack of self awareness suggests that your techniques are not working. For goodness sake, how scared of effort and change do you have to be to react like that?! It's not even helpful. Issues affecting mental health can be solved, it's as simple as that. Ok, evidence please? Sure, start doing it and see for yourself, it's not difficult. Ahh ok so you have no evidence. But you repeat the same old lines and start to be abusive to those who dare to question your very thin logic. We see where this is going and I think it’s safe to continue to disregard what is clearly not a serious contribution. The evidence is all there, if you do it. If you do it then all your problems are solved, if you don’t do it then you keep your problems. It's not rocket science, it just takes a bit of effort. 😂😂😂😂You have presented no evidence. Not a single iota. Your points are invalid. You cannot come into a discussion and assume to be take seriously just by calling everyone who counters your points ‘lazy’. As a result, no one is taking you seriously. I haven't called anyone lazy, as well you know; find out for yourself, or don't, the answers are there regardless. " So what do you call someone who has tried it but it hasn’t worked? | |||
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"All of these problems have the same cause and the same remedy, true mindfulness and meditation will take them all away, you just have to do it. Now and then someone will say "I tried that but it didn't work", or some such, and it didn't work because they stopped trying, try again and dont stop, you'll be right as rain in almost no time. Twaddle- mental health issues are diseases and just like cancer you can't just meditate them away Mental health issues won’t kill you. They might cause you to kill yourself if you don’t seek help but the mental health issue itself won’t kill you, unlike cancer. So please please don’t compare the two very serious issues. It doesn't really matter if the disease kills you or the effects of an illness make you kill yourself- the result is the same It really does matter when they are being compared. And having suffered with both, I’d take a mental health problem every time." It doesn't matter a jot, if society treated both the same (as diseases), then the stigma related to mental health would disappear and the thought that you can just "pull yourself out of it" | |||
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" …Spare a thought for those that are quiet… " It’s exactly because I am sparing a thought for the quiet, the more vulnerable, and the more easily led, that I am kicking back against the dangerous quackery about the “magic bullet of mindful meditation” in this thread! | |||
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" …Spare a thought for those that are quiet… It’s exactly because I am sparing a thought for the quiet, the more vulnerable, and the more easily led, that I am kicking back against the dangerous quackery about the “magic bullet of mindful meditation” in this thread! " What a hero you are. Please explain what you think is dangerous about meditation? | |||
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" …Spare a thought for those that are quiet… It’s exactly because I am sparing a thought for the quiet, the more vulnerable, and the more easily led, that I am kicking back against the dangerous quackery about the “magic bullet of mindful meditation” in this thread! What a hero you are. Please explain what you think is dangerous about meditation? " The fact that you have proselytised consistently in this thread - without providing evidence - that it is “literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone”. That’s the danger. | |||
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" …Spare a thought for those that are quiet… It’s exactly because I am sparing a thought for the quiet, the more vulnerable, and the more easily led, that I am kicking back against the dangerous quackery about the “magic bullet of mindful meditation” in this thread! What a hero you are. Please explain what you think is dangerous about meditation? The fact that you have proselytised consistently in this thread - without providing evidence - that it is “literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone”. That’s the danger. " Ah, thanks, it still doesn't make any more sense, but if you see something good as being dangerous then I'm not surprised. Nevermind. | |||
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" …Spare a thought for those that are quiet… It’s exactly because I am sparing a thought for the quiet, the more vulnerable, and the more easily led, that I am kicking back against the dangerous quackery about the “magic bullet of mindful meditation” in this thread! What a hero you are. Please explain what you think is dangerous about meditation? The fact that you have proselytised consistently in this thread - without providing evidence - that it is “literally the magic bullet that works for everything and everyone”. That’s the danger. Ah, thanks, it still doesn't make any more sense, but if you see something good as being dangerous then I'm not surprised. Nevermind. " Blinkered zealotry is always dangerous - be it about a particular god, system of beliefs or new-age practice. You’ve already indicated above that those who fail to solve all their mental health problems through mindful meditation are just not trying hard enough and don’t understand the “good”. If you’d written “Yahweh” or “Osiris” instead of “mindful meditation”, we’d see you as a religious fanatic. You remind me of someone I knew who once stood for the Natural Law Party at the 1992 GE and just couldn’t understand why all his acquaintances didn’t want to hear constantly about the benefits of yogic flying. | |||
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"I had a heart valve replacement earlier this year, the procedure was a success but I have now ended up with PTSD I never thought for one minute I would end up with mental health issues. I have never suffered with mental health before , it is really hard to explain how and why I feel the way I do. " I never thought I'd be affectedby PTSD. I had a serious hospital expèience, one month including 14 days in ITU in '22. A yearlater i went to a village hospital for a minor procedure, and they played the same canned nhs music tape that id been exposed to in the serious one month vusit. Sat there in therather pleasant cottage hospital waiting room, it brought it all back, even things i had supressed and thought i had forgotten. I was having a full on panic attack, and it came completly out of the blue and i was back sweating, heart racing, struggling to breath. My subconscious had played a mental judo trick on me, i had gone from totally relaxed state to a trauma relived in an instant. "Breath in through the nose, one two three, out through the mouth one two three was a mantra drilled into me by a wonderful murse in my previouse ITU visit. It saved me again, and my little drama was over, totally unnoticed by anyone around me, all brought on by a song played in a wwaiting room. | |||
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"I had a heart valve replacement earlier this year, the procedure was a success but I have now ended up with PTSD I never thought for one minute I would end up with mental health issues. I have never suffered with mental health before , it is really hard to explain how and why I feel the way I do. I never thought I'd be affectedby PTSD. I had a serious hospital expèience, one month including 14 days in ITU in '22. A yearlater i went to a village hospital for a minor procedure, and they played the same canned nhs music tape that id been exposed to in the serious one month vusit. Sat there in therather pleasant cottage hospital waiting room, it brought it all back, even things i had supressed and thought i had forgotten. I was having a full on panic attack, and it came completly out of the blue and i was back sweating, heart racing, struggling to breath. My subconscious had played a mental judo trick on me, i had gone from totally relaxed state to a trauma relived in an instant. "Breath in through the nose, one two three, out through the mouth one two three was a mantra drilled into me by a wonderful murse in my previouse ITU visit. It saved me again, and my little drama was over, totally unnoticed by anyone around me, all brought on by a song played in a wwaiting room. " It is crazy how sounds and smells can trigger these reactions. I had a bad motorcycle accident in 2000. I was laying there with petrol over me. People were walking past smoking. I didn’t think much about it afterwards until I went to fill my bike up some months later. The petrol hit and I froze. I couldn’t move. It was another biker who came over and asked if I was alright he talked to me for a couple of minutes and I felt back in control. | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. " Good old doctor Google. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google." You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness?" I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. " I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either." It helps for dealing with people who have nothing positive to say, are generally useless and constantly berate others in this forum. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either. It helps for dealing with people who have nothing positive to say, are generally useless and constantly berate others in this forum. " Oh, so you don't use it yourself. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either. It helps for dealing with people who have nothing positive to say, are generally useless and constantly berate others in this forum. Oh, so you don't use it yourself. " All you seem to do on here is stomp all over people that don't fit your agenda, you do it constantly, out in the real world you'd be a schoolyard bully. It's horrible, you're constantly negative and condescending, you're insulting, childish and rude. There is very little substance to your posts, other than being horrible to people. Prove me wrong. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either. It helps for dealing with people who have nothing positive to say, are generally useless and constantly berate others in this forum. Oh, so you don't use it yourself. All you seem to do on here is stomp all over people that don't fit your agenda, you do it constantly, out in the real world you'd be a schoolyard bully. It's horrible, you're constantly negative and condescending, you're insulting, childish and rude. There is very little substance to your posts, other than being horrible to people. Prove me wrong. " Oh petal, you're that one that high-jacked what could have been a helpful thread. | |||
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" Good old doctor Google. You should try it; here are some suggested search prompts: What are effective treatments for mental illness? Why would mindfulness not be recommended for mental illness? I don't need to, but thanks for another useless contribution. I see that mindfulness doesn't help with overcoming confirmation bias or coping with cognitive dissonance either. It helps for dealing with people who have nothing positive to say, are generally useless and constantly berate others in this forum. Oh, so you don't use it yourself. All you seem to do on here is stomp all over people that don't fit your agenda, you do it constantly, out in the real world you'd be a schoolyard bully. It's horrible, you're constantly negative and condescending, you're insulting, childish and rude. There is very little substance to your posts, other than being horrible to people. Prove me wrong. Oh petal, you're that one that high-jacked what could have been a helpful thread." And again, nothing to contribute. | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. " Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. | |||
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"I had a heart valve replacement earlier this year, the procedure was a success but I have now ended up with PTSD I never thought for one minute I would end up with mental health issues. I have never suffered with mental health before , it is really hard to explain how and why I feel the way I do. " It's because you're human. Welcome | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please." Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. " Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. " I could say exactly the same to a few people on here who just seem to hop on the forum to argue. | |||
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"I'll confess I've already used the site in that way, to talk about some issues with regular contacts here. Of course it's primarily a hookup site so I try not to overdo it, but I don't have access to any other groups where I can mention sensitive stuff like sexuality, cross dressing or marriage issues. You see the odd cry for help in the forums, but they may not be seen by those who could offer support. A dedicated forum could be very valuable." Have you looked to see if there is a local version of “Andy’s man club” near you. | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. I could say exactly the same to a few people on here who just seem to hop on the forum to argue. You could say anything about anyone. That doesn’t make it accurate. Your exposition of the effects of mindfulness are entirely at odds with what most people would consider a good outcome to its practice. " That's just nonsense, show me the 'most people' who are at odds and show me how being free from suffering is a bad thing? | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. I could say exactly the same to a few people on here who just seem to hop on the forum to argue. You could say anything about anyone. That doesn’t make it accurate. Your exposition of the effects of mindfulness are entirely at odds with what most people would consider a good outcome to its practice. That's just nonsense, show me the 'most people' who are at odds and show me how being free from suffering is a bad thing?" You just don’t get it, do you? Do you genuinely believe that because something worked for you, that means it must work for everyone? | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. I could say exactly the same to a few people on here who just seem to hop on the forum to argue. You could say anything about anyone. That doesn’t make it accurate. Your exposition of the effects of mindfulness are entirely at odds with what most people would consider a good outcome to its practice. That's just nonsense, show me the 'most people' who are at odds and show me how being free from suffering is a bad thing? You just don’t get it, do you? Do you genuinely believe that because something worked for you, that means it must work for everyone?" No, you don't get it, do you genuinely believe that because you don't understand something then it's wrong? How egotistical are you? | |||
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"I know meditation/mindfulness isn't useful or recommended for everyone from both working in healthcare and from uni. But, it took me 5 seconds to find this online. "Why do some people react badly to meditation? A possible explanation is that it amplifies inner problems; if one has a ‘disposition’ to depression, bipolar disorder or psychosis, meditation may heighten it." Basically, it goes on to explain that when someone is suffering from symptoms or conditions such as depression, they may already be isolating themselves. Meditation can increase those behaviours further and that's generally the opposite of what people with depression need. Additionally, if, during meditation, a person uncovered/remembered past trauma or events (such as SA in childhood), their symptoms would only increase. The same goes for addiction by the way. Which is why meditation/mindfulness is generally used either when they are in the presence of a professional or regularly receiving treatment so they can talk about what they discovered and begin to process it. So, again. Recommending things to each other can do more harm than good. It's best to just read, share and encourage professional help. Hopefully this thread goes away soon. Any positivity in it is well and truely ruined with the bickering. Hopefully the bickering will fade away and let this be a place of peace and genuinely helpful advice. There is NO wonderful cure-all. Given the vast spectrum of mental illnesses, be they psychological or physical in origin, it's impossible for one thing to cure or even help everyone affected. Let's put that idea to bed and treat every single persons position individually,please. Brilliant, instead of listening to something useful, let's all just ignore it. Here here. Are you a bot? You don’t seem capable of reading or comprehending anything. You are just on transmit but you hear or see nothing. I could say exactly the same to a few people on here who just seem to hop on the forum to argue. You could say anything about anyone. That doesn’t make it accurate. Your exposition of the effects of mindfulness are entirely at odds with what most people would consider a good outcome to its practice. That's just nonsense, show me the 'most people' who are at odds and show me how being free from suffering is a bad thing? You just don’t get it, do you? Do you genuinely believe that because something worked for you, that means it must work for everyone? No, you don't get it, do you genuinely believe that because you don't understand something then it's wrong? How egotistical are you?" Your attempt doesn’t work because I understand mindfulness very well. My wife uses it in her teaching and my good friend is a psychologist who uses it in therapy for the young people she works with. I understand it fine. Which is why I am happy to say it doesn’t work for everyone in every instance. You are having to create non existent people to rail against and continuously go ad-hominem when someone makes a point you are not able to answer. For example you didn’t actually answer my last question, just attacked me. If mindfulness worked so well, you would be able to address these points rationally instead of just yelling at everyone who dares to question your parroted dogma. | |||
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