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"You have been around trying to stir up all manner of comments on a few topics today, but it doesn’t seem to be working. Maybe Forumites are a better bunch than they often get credit for. " Seems you have a lack of education on stocks and shares and due to that you are trying to stir things up. If you have no understanding just ask, I'm happy to educate you Don't feel embarrassed | |||
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"My uncle has an old house heated by an oil boiler. Oil is still, by far, the cheapest way to heat a house, much cheaper than gas or electricity. But those houses are few, the rest of us are at the mercy of gas and electricity surcharges. " I totally agree with you We live rural and also have oil fuel. Our oil boiler was 18 years old and although serviced yearly and running perfectly, we renewed it for a totally new oil boiler 2 months ago. We got quotes for a heat pump and it would be £40,000 due to the size of our house plus every radiator and every feed and return pipes would have to be changed for larger feed pipes meaning all floors would have to be lifted to do this (tiled floors). Our new boiler and hot water cylinder cost £7,500 | |||
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"You have been around trying to stir up all manner of comments on a few topics today, but it doesn’t seem to be working. Maybe Forumites are a better bunch than they often get credit for. Seems you have a lack of education on stocks and shares and due to that you are trying to stir things up. If you have no understanding just ask, I'm happy to educate you Don't feel embarrassed " Yea very good, keep on trying | |||
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"Theirs enough oil in existence to last humanity!! But if we cut off the pipe lines or becomes a luxury product. We'll pay an extortionate amount " Oil is essential for day to day living, many people simply do not realise or possibly understand the amount of products that require crude in manufacturing, medications included. | |||
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"You have been around trying to stir up all manner of comments on a few topics today, but it doesn’t seem to be working. Maybe Forumites are a better bunch than they often get credit for. Seems you have a lack of education on stocks and shares and due to that you are trying to stir things up. If you have no understanding just ask, I'm happy to educate you Don't feel embarrassed " Yawn ...  | |||
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"I'm fully on electric and pay less than £8 a week on average" ….and wear four pairs of socks in winter? | |||
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"Live in an 1800's Farmhouse, 1960's Aga in the kitchen uses oil, and does all cooking and works all the central heating in the winter, dries washing etc. No heat pumps coming anywhere near here... "
It's not just a heat pump, if you get one you have to change all radiators and pull up floorboards in every room to fit larger bore feed and return pipes.
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"Live in an 1800's Farmhouse, 1960's Aga in the kitchen uses oil, and does all cooking and works all the central heating in the winter, dries washing etc. No heat pumps coming anywhere near here...
It's not just a heat pump, if you get one you have to change all radiators and pull up floorboards in every room to fit larger bore feed and return pipes.
I am keeping oil boiler "Plus a shitstorm electricity bill. They are not an efficient method of heating.  | |||
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"My solar panels were generating 5kw today providing hot water and running everything plus exporting. If the government were serious all new buildings would have solar by law. This system was installed two months ago and has battery storage to keep essentials running for a while in a power cut. It will pay fo iitself in ten years and I did it to hedge against the inevitable price increases and outages the UK will soon suffer. " My solar thermal on the roof means I haven't used any gas for hot water since the middle of April. I expect not to until the middle of September. I'd have photovoltaics too but I live in a conservation area and can only use the back of the house. There is not enough roof space to make it worthwhile | |||
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"Petrol prices will go up immediately even though the companies bought the crude oil months ago. Even if the fuel stations haven't been restocked they still raise the prices. Boils my piss.! " Yes, totally agree... the money men and oil barons manipulating things to their advantage again. Their is profit to be had from wars and conflict... and they make sure we have plenty of them even if millions die in the process!  | |||
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"Petrol here still cheap, £121.9 Esso about 7 miles from me" That won't last... No profit in selling it cheap, and the government has lost control of what is charged! We are all being played like an old fiddle! Gawd... if only we had some quality politicians with the backbone to take charge! | |||
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"Petrol here still cheap, £121.9 Esso about 7 miles from me That won't last... No profit in selling it cheap, and the government has lost control of what is charged! We are all being played like an old fiddle! Gawd... if only we had some quality politicians with the backbone to take charge! "the government has never been in control of the price of petrol  | |||
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"Live in an 1800's Farmhouse, 1960's Aga in the kitchen uses oil, and does all cooking and works all the central heating in the winter, dries washing etc. No heat pumps coming anywhere near here... " So what will you do when they stop selling oil or make it so expensive it is not viable? | |||
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"I am a convert to solar panels, installed last Oct. Last month we used from the grid £ 4.95 of electric. for a large detached house. Sold £50 of exported electric. It is on track to show a 12% return on the investment. Having a battery has ramped up the benefits." You will find that as you're system becomes older... the servicing and replacement costs of worn out components will nullify any financial gain! They have it all worked out; don't believe the BS they feed you! | |||
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"I am a convert to solar panels, installed last Oct. Last month we used from the grid £ 4.95 of electric. for a large detached house. Sold £50 of exported electric. It is on track to show a 12% return on the investment. Having a battery has ramped up the benefits." What was your initial outlay? Full cost of installation including battery | |||
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"My solar panels were generating 5kw today providing hot water and running everything plus exporting. If the government were serious all new buildings would have solar by law. This system was installed two months ago and has battery storage to keep essentials running for a while in a power cut. It will pay fo iitself in ten years and I did it to hedge against the inevitable price increases and outages the UK will soon suffer. My solar thermal on the roof means I haven't used any gas for hot water since the middle of April. I expect not to until the middle of September. I'd have photovoltaics too but I live in a conservation area and can only use the back of the house. There is not enough roof space to make it worthwhile " How would you survive without Crude oil? | |||
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"I am a convert to solar panels, installed last Oct. Last month we used from the grid £ 4.95 of electric. for a large detached house. Sold £50 of exported electric. It is on track to show a 12% return on the investment. Having a battery has ramped up the benefits. You will find that as your system becomes older... the servicing and replacement costs of worn out components will nullify any financial gain! They have it all worked out; don't believe the BS they feed you! " Solar panels degrade at an average of 2-3% in the first year then 0.4% a year from years 2-25. So after 25 years they’ll still be 87% as effective as they were when they were new. LFP batteries can be charged to 100% without harm and will last for many years. Inverters typically last for 10-15 years and they are cheap - typically £500-£1000. Some panels use microinverters at around £100-£150 each. Deciding whether or not solar is for you requires an intelligent, analytical approach and some research. With 2 EVs, mine will be paid off quickly and while the entire system is still under warranty. | |||
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"Live in an 1800's Farmhouse, 1960's Aga in the kitchen uses oil, and does all cooking and works all the central heating in the winter, dries washing etc. No heat pumps coming anywhere near here... So what will you do when they stop selling oil or make it so expensive it is not viable?" Cant see it happening in my lifetime..... politicians too keen to hold onto power and feather their own nests. The virst sight of being unseated, they change their mind, take the winter fuel u turn for example. We might not be keen to extract our own oil but plenty sensible countries willing to sell their's to us instead. | |||
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"My solar panels were generating 5kw today providing hot water and running everything plus exporting. If the government were serious all new buildings would have solar by law. This system was installed two months ago and has battery storage to keep essentials running for a while in a power cut. It will pay fo iitself in ten years and I did it to hedge against the inevitable price increases and outages the UK will soon suffer. My solar thermal on the roof means I haven't used any gas for hot water since the middle of April. I expect not to until the middle of September. I'd have photovoltaics too but I live in a conservation area and can only use the back of the house. There is not enough roof space to make it worthwhile How would you survive without Crude oil?" I don’t think anyone is saying we can’t survive without crude oil. But we can - and will - survive by using less of it. | |||
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"A reason to move quicker to green energy " Does being green with envy count as a substantial fuel source? | |||
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"Petrol prices will go up immediately even though the companies bought the crude oil months ago. Even if the fuel stations haven't been restocked they still raise the prices. Boils my piss.! " Boiling piss could be a new fuel source | |||
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"Theirs enough oil in existence to last humanity!! But if we cut off the pipe lines or becomes a luxury product. We'll pay an extortionate amount Oil is essential for day to day living, many people simply do not realise or possibly understand the amount of products that require crude in manufacturing, medications included." Yeah.even fish need oil especially the cod fish | |||
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"I'm fully on electric and pay less than £8 a week on average ….and wear four pairs of socks in winter?" I thought the winter sock allowance was stopped | |||
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"We don't get our oil from the Arabs " Absolutely correct it comes from fish like the cod | |||
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"My solar panels were generating 5kw today providing hot water and running everything plus exporting. If the government were serious all new buildings would have solar by law. This system was installed two months ago and has battery storage to keep essentials running for a while in a power cut. It will pay fo iitself in ten years and I did it to hedge against the inevitable price increases and outages the UK will soon suffer. My solar thermal on the roof means I haven't used any gas for hot water since the middle of April. I expect not to until the middle of September. I'd have photovoltaics too but I live in a conservation area and can only use the back of the house. There is not enough roof space to make it worthwhile How would you survive without Crude oil?" I will still need oil and petrol for my classic cars and heating oil. When you get solar panels fitted they do a full efficiency survey. My place was a grade D and after the panels were fitted it rose to band C. The system was specced to break even plus a bit more so grid usage will be minimal with 13 panels. Tgey advised if we go for a heat pump later the rating would fall to an F as they are so power hungry and we would need more panels to cover that. I'm a petrolhead and plan to stay that way! | |||
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"This?is a war, ie people are being killed and you are thinking profit! What a low life you are." First day on the Internet? | |||
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"This?is a war, ie people are being killed and you are thinking profit! What a low life you are." The profit is the reason there is a war... And the war is the reason people are being killed! The people who make the profit don't care if people get killed; they never have or will! | |||
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"This?is a war, ie people are being killed and you are thinking profit! What a low life you are." | |||
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"I understand the best solar panels are currently about 20% efficient give or take. The absolute best you get is 40% these aren't commercially viable. Its worth a look into how quickly these aren't making strides. And yes I know about the 3d variants but they're decades off. I'm not yet interested in purchasing them. A fabric first approach tends to fare much better in my experience. " In my experience, I’m happy to get free electricity and to get paid for making it. If you are worried about efficiency, don’t even think about driving a car; especially an ICE car that typically wastes 60% of energy. | |||
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"I have solar panels fitted and get a revenue from them plus electricity , I labour and ed mill I and are so hell bent on green energy , why are they installing solars panels on all public buildings ie council offices etc " Governments and councils are good at wasting money on green projects. In 2022 the Scottish government wasted £3.65m decarbonising our local procurator fiscal offices, but some local MP’s were questioning the cost as the building was only worth £275K | |||
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"I understand the best solar panels are currently about 20% efficient give or take. The absolute best you get is 40% these aren't commercially viable. Its worth a look into how quickly these aren't making strides. And yes I know about the 3d variants but they're decades off. I'm not yet interested in purchasing them. A fabric first approach tends to fare much better in my experience. In my experience, I’m happy to get free electricity and to get paid for making it. If you are worried about efficiency, don’t even think about driving a car; especially an ICE car that typically wastes 60% of energy." Its not free...? Pretty sure that's the whole misnomer of the situation. The cells are inefficient and degrading as we speak. Let's see how you feel in 10 years when they're paid for and you need new ones due to inefficiency. Your selling to the grid is limited by the grid or else we don't need the grid. So once the efficiencies are sorted the protectionism of the grid and is sorted I may buy in. Nice new nuclear PS should sort that... or mini reactors which look very interesting. | |||
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"I am a convert to solar panels, installed last Oct. Last month we used from the grid £ 4.95 of electric. for a large detached house. Sold £50 of exported electric. It is on track to show a 12% return on the investment. Having a battery has ramped up the benefits. What was your initial outlay? Full cost of installation including battery " £8.5 k including the battery and some re wiring | |||
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"I understand the best solar panels are currently about 20% efficient give or take. The absolute best you get is 40% these aren't commercially viable. Its worth a look into how quickly these aren't making strides. And yes I know about the 3d variants but they're decades off. I'm not yet interested in purchasing them. A fabric first approach tends to fare much better in my experience. " So you have decided to shun an investment in a solar installation that shows a 12% return - I see. | |||
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"I understand the best solar panels are currently about 20% efficient give or take. The absolute best you get is 40% these aren't commercially viable. Its worth a look into how quickly these aren't making strides. And yes I know about the 3d variants but they're decades off. I'm not yet interested in purchasing them. A fabric first approach tends to fare much better in my experience. So you have decided to shun an investment in a solar installation that shows a 12% return - I see." You dont see though... so I'll further explain... I have calculated that based on my location and consumption pattern there is not an array that will prove beneficial for me to invest in... I've modelled and oriented my home and I know the precise kva consumption and cycle. This enables me to select the array with greatest efficacy and gain comprehensive understanding of potential outputs and micro regeneration potential. So based on this and... My nearest neighbour has taken the plunge as he caught solar fever early too. His beautifully integrated rig will be paid off in year 13. All in he paid 18k. By year 13 the panels will of degraded by up to 7%...(considering they're only approx 25% efficient... in the beginning)... this discounts all other defects such as delam, dead cells, transistor failure and the dreaded 'dust' (neighbour says hes had 22% drop off due to dust - i cant confirm the accuracy of this - it is feasible tho). I won't discuss the battery issues that are interlinked to the above. So... whilst your fine looking high horse enables you to 'see'... you just appear to be annoyed your cult isnt a one size fits all. | |||
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"We don't get our oil from the Arabs " We get our oil on the world oil markets. If those that currently buy Arab oil can't get it they will then bid more for the oil from our sources, even North Sea, British Sector oil.... In other words we are not immune to the consequences of Middle East War, in fact Sir Twat wants a bit of it....  | |||
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"I've recently watched a YouTube video where a total genius tells us that the world could be powered by a 30km square area of solar panels in the central Sahara. Totally ignores things called sunset, night, clouds (yes, even in the central Sahara), and dust and sandstorms. Batteries! you cry. Someone calculated that if all the current battery capacity in the world from mobile phones through electric cars and on up to large storage batteries on wind and solar sites was added up, that capacity could power the word for a few minutes. " You watching a you tube video by an idiot doesn’t mean the whole thing is wrong. It means if you watch self published horseshit, you don’t learn much of any value. That’s not exactly hard to figure out. | |||
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"I understand the best solar panels are currently about 20% efficient give or take. The absolute best you get is 40% these aren't commercially viable. Its worth a look into how quickly these aren't making strides. And yes I know about the 3d variants but they're decades off. I'm not yet interested in purchasing them. A fabric first approach tends to fare much better in my experience. So you have decided to shun an investment in a solar installation that shows a 12% return - I see. You dont see though... so I'll further explain... I have calculated that based on my location and consumption pattern there is not an array that will prove beneficial for me to invest in... I've modelled and oriented my home and I know the precise kva consumption and cycle. This enables me to select the array with greatest efficacy and gain comprehensive understanding of potential outputs and micro regeneration potential. So based on this and... My nearest neighbour has taken the plunge as he caught solar fever early too. His beautifully integrated rig will be paid off in year 13. All in he paid 18k. By year 13 the panels will of degraded by up to 7%...(considering they're only approx 25% efficient... in the beginning)... this discounts all other defects such as delam, dead cells, transistor failure and the dreaded 'dust' (neighbour says hes had 22% drop off due to dust - i cant confirm the accuracy of this - it is feasible tho). I won't discuss the battery issues that are interlinked to the above. So... whilst your fine looking high horse enables you to 'see'... you just appear to be annoyed your cult isnt a one size fits all. " You can leave out the personal stuff unless of course you are a regular troll. What you say makes sense in your circumstances. Other people have different experiences of Solar Panels. A good friend of mine invested in them years ago he is still making good profit with the original panels. The amount he has been paid for selling to the grid is iro £ 26,000. and he powers his EV from the roof. My own rig including the battery cost £8.5k it the present rate it will be paid for in less than 8 years. I am investing the money I do not now pay for electricity each month. The cost of panels is coming down in real terms all the tine so replacing them will not be at the original cost. So, the investment is making perfect sense for me. | |||
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"Don't patronise and the conversation is easier. My point stands... and just so you have a greater awareness, the grid purchases at about 3 to 15p per KWH... best return I've seen at a university was 11k per annum... due to peak summer being outside term time they hit significant returns. You can imagine the scale of that rig... it's commercial. So I cant imagine the scale of your friends rig and the rate he's selling at. I've yet to see it stack to the figures you assert anywhere in the uk. Primarily as the grid don't want it. They want dependence. My operator sells at 26.4p and buys at 4.2p... there is zero equity in this deal. "You clearly are not as well informed as you pretend. My friend was fortunate to sign up to an early FIT and gets considerably more that 15ppu. I get 15 ppu and in under 2 months have sold back just under a thousand units. The 1st 5kw each morning are charging the battery as well as powering some current useage. Everything we draw down from the battery is saving us the import tariff at 26.5 ppu. Solar panels are becoming more efficient and longer lasting improving as all new technologies do. So despite you uninformed scepticism we are doing very nicely thank you. I am sorry if my experience of Solar panels does not fit your agenda but it is what it is. | |||
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"Don't patronise and the conversation is easier. My point stands... and just so you have a greater awareness, the grid purchases at about 3 to 15p per KWH... best return I've seen at a university was 11k per annum... due to peak summer being outside term time they hit significant returns. You can imagine the scale of that rig... it's commercial. So I cant imagine the scale of your friends rig and the rate he's selling at. I've yet to see it stack to the figures you assert anywhere in the uk. Primarily as the grid don't want it. They want dependence. My operator sells at 26.4p and buys at 4.2p... there is zero equity in this deal.
You clearly are not as well informed as you pretend. My friend was fortunate to sign up to an early FIT and gets considerably more that 15ppu. I get 15 ppu and in under 2 months have sold back just under a thousand units. The 1st 5kw each morning are charging the battery as well as powering some current useage.
Everything we draw down from the battery is saving us the import tariff at 26.5 ppu. Solar panels are becoming more efficient and longer lasting improving as all new technologies do. So despite you uninformed scepticism we are doing very nicely thank you. I am sorry if my experience of Solar panels does not fit your agenda but it is what it is.
"Sigh... Its like talking to a conspiratorial child. I don't care or believe your position on the basis any deal struck on a rate is not into perpetuity, so irrespective of how early he got in, he's not still getting it! Same for you. Same for every energies agreement across the uk. Its why we're not still paying the rate we were in the 80s if you get me. Also... there is a cap on what an individual can put in, there are technical reasons for this regards direction of flow and overloading. But also financial, hence the above mentioned cap. And finally... More efficient and longer lasting... I invite you to actually research the growth in the rate of efficiency in SPs. You will be quite shocked, I was. Measure it in decades not years as its hit a wall. But like any cult it's easier to accept the lie than believe any counter point. | |||
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"There’s enough oil in existence to last humanity!! " You are sadly mistaken!! We are well past “peak oil” (where the rate of discovering new oil reserves exceeded the rate we were using it). At the present rate of consumption we will be lucky if it lasts a generation. | |||
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"Petrol prices will go up immediately even though the companies bought the crude oil months ago. Even if the fuel stations haven't been restocked they still raise the prices. Boils my piss.! Boiling piss could be a new fuel source" A good source of Phosphorus. | |||
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"Don't patronise and the conversation is easier. My point stands... and just so you have a greater awareness, the grid purchases at about 3 to 15p per KWH... best return I've seen at a university was 11k per annum... due to peak summer being outside term time they hit significant returns. You can imagine the scale of that rig... it's commercial. So I cant imagine the scale of your friends rig and the rate he's selling at. I've yet to see it stack to the figures you assert anywhere in the uk. Primarily as the grid don't want it. They want dependence. My operator sells at 26.4p and buys at 4.2p... there is zero equity in this deal.
You clearly are not as well informed as you pretend. My friend was fortunate to sign up to an early FIT and gets considerably more that 15ppu. I get 15 ppu and in under 2 months have sold back just under a thousand units. The 1st 5kw each morning are charging the battery as well as powering some current useage.
Everything we draw down from the battery is saving us the import tariff at 26.5 ppu. Solar panels are becoming more efficient and longer lasting improving as all new technologies do. So despite you uninformed scepticism we are doing very nicely thank you. I am sorry if my experience of Solar panels does not fit your agenda but it is what it is.
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Its like talking to a conspiratorial child.
I don't care or believe your position on the basis any deal struck on a rate is not into perpetuity, so irrespective of how early he got in, he's not still getting it!
Same for you. Same for every energies agreement across the uk. Its why we're not still paying the rate we were in the 80s if you get me.
Also... there is a cap on what an individual can put in, there are technical reasons for this regards direction of flow and overloading. But also financial, hence the above mentioned cap.
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More efficient and longer lasting... I invite you to actually research the growth in the rate of efficiency in SPs. You will be quite shocked, I was.
Measure it in decades not years as its hit a wall.
But like any cult it's easier to accept the lie than believe any counter point.
"And I'm still dong very nicely with my solar rig and battery thank you, whether or not you get in a paddy and do not want the same advantages. So hello and good bye | |||
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