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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? " fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? " Everyone and their dog just stands with their mobiles filming incidents these days | |||
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"Everyone and their dog just stands with their mobiles filming incidents these days" Take the phone off the dog then. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? " The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party " What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated?? | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??" Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? Everyone and their dog just stands with their mobiles filming incidents these days" Can you blame them? There was a time where giving these oiks a wallop was seen as enacting instant retribution and doing a good deed for society. These days however, it would be those who try to do the right thing who would be up in front of the beak on the Monday morning, no doubt receiving a heavier sentence than the perpetrators of the original crime. At least there's a slim hope that the police can use the footage people take to try to identify those involved and make arrests, even if it does result in some crusty old dinosaur with little grip on reality giving them a mere slap on the wrists. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed." Ok...away with the Fairies.. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed. Ok...away with the Fairies.." it true and you know it | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? " Take a walk, find out for your self? | |||
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"I live within 10 minutes walk of a major, expensively revamped police station. I can't remember the last time I saw one of them on foot, apart from the ones seen leaving their official vehicles to nip in and out of Greggs or Subway And as for British Transport Police aka the Ghost Squad...." What do you want a police chaperone ? | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed." that's not true | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed." . Dumb. And unhelpful comment | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x " Austerity? | |||
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"Thankfully we see very little of all this in our area" Most people don't crime has never been lower!! | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed.. Dumb. And unhelpful comment" it not dumb it's true you should see all the bad comments on the alysum seeker being housed on a old army camp in Essex in the daily mail today | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed.. Dumb. And unhelpful comment" 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed.. Dumb. And unhelpful commentit not dumb it's true you should see all the bad comments on the alysum seeker being housed on a old army camp in Essex in the daily mail today " That's fine their brown!! That's the sort of society we are now. White is right | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party " It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not." *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world " The claim "crime rates have never been lower" doesn't quite add up!!..... According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, some crime types are actually on the rise. Here's what's going on: - *Violent Crimes:* - *Knife-enabled crime*: Up 4% to 50,510 offences, with a notable 13% increase in robberies involving knives or sharp instruments. - *Offences involving firearms*: Up 6% to 6,268 offences. - *Robbery*: Up 8% to 81,019 offences. - *Theft:* - *Shoplifting*: Up 30% to 452,635 offences, with this trend continuing and remaining at a high level. - *Theft from the person*: Up 40% according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, or up 50% to around 483,000 incidents as per another report. - *Cyber Crimes:* - *Computer misuse*: There's conflicting data, with a reported 53% increase in computer misuse offences referred by Action Fraud, but a more recent 23% decrease in computer misuse incidents to around 757,000. - *Overall Crime Rate:* - The overall UK crime rate saw a 4% decrease from the previous period ending September 2023, with 84 crimes per 1,000 people. These statistics are based on data from: - *Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW)*: Provides estimates of crime incidents and victimization rates. - *Police Recorded Crime Data*: Offers insights into crime trends and patterns. - *Home Office's Crime Outcomes in England and Wales Publication*: Reports on investigative outcomes. Given this data, it seems that certain types of crime are increasing, contradicting the claim that crime rates have never been lower. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??" Everything? | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated?? Everything? "Discounting the Daily Mail and Reform, a more accurate picture is presented by the figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, reflecting that some crime types are actually on the rise. To repeat my previous posting, here's what's going on:- - *Violent Crimes:* - *Knife-enabled crime*: Up 4% to 50,510 offences, with a notable 13% increase in robberies involving knives or sharp instruments. - *Offences involving firearms*: Up 6% to 6,268 offences. - *Robbery*: Up 8% to 81,019 offences. - *Theft:* - *Shoplifting*: Up 30% to 452,635 offences, with this trend continuing and remaining at a high level. - *Theft from the person*: Up 40% according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, or up 50% to around 483,000 incidents as per another report. - *Cyber Crimes:* - *Computer misuse*: There's conflicting data, with a reported 53% increase in computer misuse offences referred by Action Fraud, but a more recent 23% decrease in computer misuse incidents to around 757,000. - *Overall Crime Rate:* - The overall UK crime rate saw a 4% decrease from the previous period ending September 2023, with 84 crimes per 1,000 people. These statistics are based on data from: - *Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW)*: Provides estimates of crime incidents and victimization rates. - *Police Recorded Crime Data*: Offers insights into crime trends and patterns. - *Home Office's Crime Outcomes in England and Wales Publication*: Reports on investigative outcomes. Given this data, it seems that certain types of crime are increasing, contradicting the claim that crime rates have never been lower! | |||
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"There was an article about the decline in what is sometimes called social capital in the UK. It's things like the increased amounts of litter you see in urban areas. Also, gated communities now employ private security on a routine basis. To me that's just a pragmatic response to a lack of police on the ground." The article about the decline in social capital in the UK is spot on. Although, it's not just about aesthetics; it's about a sense of community and shared responsibility. The lack of police presence is a big part of it, so gated communities taking matters into their own hands makes sense. However, it's also a symptom of a broader issue - a decline in trust in institutions and a growing sense of disconnection. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. " All of which are a direct consequence of tory austerity, cutting the police force by thousands of officers and backroom staff, let alone community police that were the heart of the local issues. Cut mental health provisions, allowed prisons to be over crowded so that sentances would have to be reduced, thats without mentioning underpaying legal workers. But I guess people don't or or won't look to looking after future society. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? " Yea you are being lied to. Fear is a great control tactic and people swallow the pill every time. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. All of which are a direct consequence of tory austerity, cutting the police force by thousands of officers and backroom staff, let alone community police that were the heart of the local issues. Cut mental health provisions, allowed prisons to be over crowded so that sentances would have to be reduced, thats without mentioning underpaying legal workers. But I guess people don't or or won't look to looking after future society." The previous Conservative government implemented various policies that impacted crime and policing, including the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, which aimed to improve police accountability, and the Serious and Organised Crime Strategy 2015. They also introduced the Modern Crime Prevention Strategy 2016, outlining a comprehensive approach to preventing crime. Additionally, they pledged to recruit an additional 20,000 police officers over three years to boost policing numbers. The current government has started to address these issues, investing in policing and community safety, reviewing sentencing guidelines, and exploring ways to address prison overcrowding, as well as improving mental health support and services. It's a complex issue, and there's no single solution. Both governments have taken steps to address crime, but more work is needed to tackle the root causes and build stronger communities. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? Yea you are being lied to. Fear is a great control tactic and people swallow the pill every time." Seriously!. Where do you live? Neverland? Unbelievable nonsense. Have you ever seen a state school. Fucking wild west! What are you talking about? Blinkered or a madman. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. All of which are a direct consequence of tory austerity, cutting the police force by thousands of officers and backroom staff, let alone community police that were the heart of the local issues. Cut mental health provisions, allowed prisons to be over crowded so that sentances would have to be reduced, thats without mentioning underpaying legal workers. But I guess people don't or or won't look to looking after future society. The previous Conservative government implemented various policies that impacted crime and policing, including the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, which aimed to improve police accountability, and the Serious and Organised Crime Strategy 2015. They also introduced the Modern Crime Prevention Strategy 2016, outlining a comprehensive approach to preventing crime. Additionally, they pledged to recruit an additional 20,000 police officers over three years to boost policing numbers. The current government has started to address these issues, investing in policing and community safety, reviewing sentencing guidelines, and exploring ways to address prison overcrowding, as well as improving mental health support and services. It's a complex issue, and there's no single solution. Both governments have taken steps to address crime, but more work is needed to tackle the root causes and build stronger communities. " Can you stop pasting from the Internet please. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? Yea you are being lied to. Fear is a great control tactic and people swallow the pill every time." That's both a cynical and simplistic view. The Home Office and ONS aren't trying to manipulate you; they're just reporting the data. Crime rates are complex, and it's not productive to dismiss the stats as a control tactic. Instead of jumping to conspiracy theories, let's look at the facts and try to understand what's driving the trends in an attempt to address crime and improve public safety. | |||
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"Riot in Grimsby after a memorial for an 18year old killed on a motorbike. 200 youths attacking the police. Riding motorbikes without helmets and smoking cannabis. Officers not seriously injured. Cars damaged, kicked, bricks thrown. Police had to withdraw for their own safety. It was on tonights local news. Why, who knows. Especially the rioters themselves "Oh my goodness, that sounds absolutely terrifying. I can only imagine how frightening it must have been for everyone involved, especially the police officers who had to put themselves in harm's way. It's truly heartbreaking that a memorial for an 18-year-old's life lost turned into such a violent scene. The fact that the police had to withdraw for their own safety is just shocking. What's going on that so many young people feel like they have to resort to this kind of behaviour? It's just so sad and concerning, and a sad reflection of today's society. It's devastating to see a community torn apart like that. There must be deeper issues at play here, and it's crucial we understand what's driving this behaviour. The fact that it happened at a memorial makes it even more tragic. Something's gone terribly wrong when we see this kind of violence. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. All of which are a direct consequence of tory austerity, cutting the police force by thousands of officers and backroom staff, let alone community police that were the heart of the local issues. Cut mental health provisions, allowed prisons to be over crowded so that sentances would have to be reduced, thats without mentioning underpaying legal workers. But I guess people don't or or won't look to looking after future society. The previous Conservative government implemented various policies that impacted crime and policing, including the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, which aimed to improve police accountability, and the Serious and Organised Crime Strategy 2015. They also introduced the Modern Crime Prevention Strategy 2016, outlining a comprehensive approach to preventing crime. Additionally, they pledged to recruit an additional 20,000 police officers over three years to boost policing numbers. The current government has started to address these issues, investing in policing and community safety, reviewing sentencing guidelines, and exploring ways to address prison overcrowding, as well as improving mental health support and services. It's a complex issue, and there's no single solution. Both governments have taken steps to address crime, but more work is needed to tackle the root causes and build stronger communities. " An additional 20,000 officers which are new officers in no way covers the 30,000 they got rid of that had already been trained (for a lot longer than the modern new recruits). | |||
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"Riot in Grimsby after a memorial for an 18year old killed on a motorbike. 200 youths attacking the police. Riding motorbikes without helmets and smoking cannabis. Officers not seriously injured. Cars damaged, kicked, bricks thrown. Police had to withdraw for their own safety. It was on tonights local news. Why, who knows. Especially the rioters themselves
Oh my goodness, that sounds absolutely terrifying. I can only imagine how frightening it must have been for everyone involved, especially the police officers who had to put themselves in harm's way.
It's truly heartbreaking that a memorial for an 18-year-old's life lost turned into such a violent scene. The fact that the police had to withdraw for their own safety is just shocking.
What's going on that so many young people feel like they have to resort to this kind of behaviour? It's just so sad and concerning, and a sad reflection of today's society. It's devastating to see a community torn apart like that.
There must be deeper issues at play here, and it's crucial we understand what's driving this behaviour. The fact that it happened at a memorial makes it even more tragic. Something's gone terribly wrong when we see this kind of violence.
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"Great Britain is rapidly declining from a homogenous, high-trust society into a heterogeneous, low-trust one. Lacking any meaningful cohesion or shared ethical values ... Things are turning into shit. " I totally get why you're feeling that way. It's like the fabric of our society is fraying at the seams, and it's hard not to feel like things are falling apart. The Labour Government's got a lot to answer for – their policies seem more focused on identity politics than on building a united Britain. It's like they're fuelling the very divisions they're supposed to be fixing. The lack of cohesion and shared values is a real concern, and it's time for a change. The current state of affairs is unsustainable, and we need a government that puts the needs of the many over the interests of the few. | |||
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"Great Britain is rapidly declining from a homogenous, high-trust society into a heterogeneous, low-trust one. Lacking any meaningful cohesion or shared ethical values ... Things are turning into shit. I totally get why you're feeling that way. It's like the fabric of our society is fraying at the seams, and it's hard not to feel like things are falling apart. The Labour Government's got a lot to answer for – their policies seem more focused on identity politics than on building a united Britain. It's like they're fuelling the very divisions they're supposed to be fixing. The lack of cohesion and shared values is a real concern, and it's time for a change. The current state of affairs is unsustainable, and we need a government that puts the needs of the many over the interests of the few. " Ahh, so its satire you're going for? Blaming the current government for all that went before. Sorry, I thought you were being serious. I should have realised you were just a comedian. 
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"Great Britain is rapidly declining from a homogenous, high-trust society into a heterogeneous, low-trust one. Lacking any meaningful cohesion or shared ethical values ... Things are turning into shit. I totally get why you're feeling that way. It's like the fabric of our society is fraying at the seams, and it's hard not to feel like things are falling apart. The Labour Government's got a lot to answer for – their policies seem more focused on identity politics than on building a united Britain. It's like they're fuelling the very divisions they're supposed to be fixing. The lack of cohesion and shared values is a real concern, and it's time for a change. The current state of affairs is unsustainable, and we need a government that puts the needs of the many over the interests of the few. Ahh, so its satire you're going for? Blaming the current government for all that went before. Sorry, I thought you were being serious. I should have realised you were just a comedian.
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? Yea you are being lied to. Fear is a great control tactic and people swallow the pill every time. Seriously!. Where do you live? Neverland? Unbelievable nonsense. Have you ever seen a state school. Fucking wild west! What are you talking about? Blinkered or a madman." Your response to this absolutely confirms my point. Thank you. It is true that as people get older their perception and fear of the world around them changes, generally trending towards more extreme responses to what they used to be comfortable with. It would be likely that this thread is symptomatic of that. | |||
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"Great Britain is rapidly declining from a homogenous, high-trust society into a heterogeneous, low-trust one. Lacking any meaningful cohesion or shared ethical values ... Things are turning into shit. I totally get why you're feeling that way. It's like the fabric of our society is fraying at the seams, and it's hard not to feel like things are falling apart. The Labour Government's got a lot to answer for – their policies seem more focused on identity politics than on building a united Britain. It's like they're fuelling the very divisions they're supposed to be fixing. The lack of cohesion and shared values is a real concern, and it's time for a change. The current state of affairs is unsustainable, and we need a government that puts the needs of the many over the interests of the few. " .... ... ... 🏴 Beyond the soundbite that is underpinned by allegiance what actions/laws passed by an administration nearly a year old have fuelled division? To expect radical lasting change in attitudes in different social groups from said administration is asking for a miracle. The irony of the notion of a government putting the needs of the many first vis a vis the tunnel vision of the tory worldview. Even during a pandemic they looked after their own. 🏴 | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will." While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve unity for in attempting to achieve it society will certainly benefit. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??" Everything. They are liars. | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. " .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve unity for in attempting to achieve it society will certainly benefit. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. " Tribalism is an inherent human behaviour, whether it be race, culture or even football team. Society will always be fragmented and there will always be some cause for division | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated?? Everything. They are liars." "And so endeth the lesson of the deluded" 🙄 | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated?? Everything. They are liars." ... ... 🏴 Without any doubt they are arch-sophists. As is The Sun Newspaper. The result of their deception? Helping to fragment society. Promotion of a distorted worldview- wokeness,asylum seekers on the scrounge,a radical islam overplayed. 🏴 | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated?? Everything. They are liars. "And so endeth the lesson of the deluded" 🙄" ... ... 🏴 The empirical evidence is it's anything but a delusion. What is a delusion is an across the board unity. That's illogical even if well-meaning 🏴 | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve unity for in attempting to achieve it society will certainly benefit. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. Tribalism is an inherent human behaviour, whether it be race, culture or even football team. Society will always be fragmented and there will always be some cause for division" ... ... 🏴 👍👍 🏴 | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? " It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society. | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society. " Philanthropy by individuals or companies does nothing to bring communities together, it benefits poorer communities and provides kudos to those who provide it | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society. Philanthropy by individuals or companies does nothing to bring communities together, it benefits poorer communities and provides kudos to those who provide it" Philanthropy fosters connections between socioeconomic groups, promote empathy and build relationships. It addresses immediate needs and creates opportunities for marginalised communities. While it's not a replacement for systemic change, philanthropy can be part of a balanced approach to social impact, combining with policy reforms and community-led initiatives. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. However, many in society are unaware of the full extent of the issue, and some blame the media for over-sensationalising the problem, rather than acknowledging the underlying causes. The police's handling of knife and gun crime has raised concerns. Many feel not enough is being done to tackle these serious issues. The police's lack of visibility and accountability has also eroded public respect for law enforcement. The legal system's leniency towards offenders has emboldened some, perpetuating a culture of disrespect. Economic factors like poverty and unemployment can drive people towards antisocial behaviour. Lack of opportunities can leave young people feeling disenfranchised. Untreated mental health issues can also contribute to problematic behaviour. Family breakdown, including absent parents, can impact children's behaviour and worldview. The education system plays a role too. Inadequate education or lack of resources can make existing problems worse. The scourge of illegal drugs continues to plague our society, with authorities struggling to address the problem. Successive governments have failed to properly address these issues, resulting in a lack of meaningful reform. The culture of political correctness has prioritised tolerance over traditional values, allowing unacceptable behaviour to go unchecked. Community cohesion has also broken down, with social isolation and cultural divisions contributing to the problem. These issues are concerning, and the trend is worrying. Although it's still a minority, these behaviours seem to be on the rise, threatening the very fabric of our society. " You, or where ever the above narrative was obtained from, describes the uncaring dystopian capitalistic society that we have become! Where profit for the few outweighs the social welfare of the many and the infrastructure that supports them. Are we a country with a society for the benefit of people... or a hard nosed business enterprise only concerned with the bottom line and shareholders dividends? Capitalism... knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing!  | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society. " .... .... 🏴 Fantasy sociology? Abbottabad state of mind? The aforementioned philanthropy hasn't led to widespread radical change. What on earth has Richard Branson done to change the class system? The Costa Coffee Company's scheme whilst commendable is a drop in the ocean. Cocoa farmers still face violence from cartels. They aren't experiencing anything life-changing via the Costa project. Did Cadbury's experiment lead to a shared purchase power across the board? Localised is not not across the board national. Systemic based on the localised is an anomaly. Utterly contradictory re the previous theoretical consideration. Bearing in mind the changes in society the use of limited examples from nascent capitalism is tenuous. The notion of 'moving closer' just isn't there outwith forum discourse. Those existing on council estates in substandard housing with no job or purchase power.Are they sharing values with a banker in a Knightsbridge pad anytime soon? The dialectic is absurd. Clearly not 🏴 | |||
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"… It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society… " This is possibly your most AI-generated copy-and-paste from the internet yet, and that’s saying something… Reading platitudinous waffle is hard work at the best of times without it being artificially induced and largely irrelevant. “Patagonia’s environmental initiatives”..?! | |||
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"… It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society… This is possibly your most AI-generated copy-and-paste from the internet yet, and that’s saying something… Reading platitudinous waffle is hard work at the best of times without it being artificially induced and largely irrelevant. “Patagonia’s environmental initiatives”..?! " I think Chat GPT is referring to Patagonia the outdoor clothing company | |||
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"Patagonia the sports brand , donate profit to environmental causes rather than shareholder dividend" And the relevance of a sports brand’s environmental euergetism to the discussion of anarchy and social chaos in UK cities being..? | |||
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"A lot of the issues can be traced back to the Tories and their cuts. They’ve cut funding for the police and the criminal justice system. This has lead to not enough police, Courts not having enough capacity so cases take years, young offending teams cut to the bone. It will take years to undo the damage done to the criminal justice system, if it we’ll ever be repaired. " But when it gets to court there are too many judges taking the side of the defendant and although there are sentence guidelines for most offences, when are they ever imposed? | |||
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"What would Proudhon make of it all? 🤔" I’m not sure he’d be a natural fan of Costa Coffee, Lego or Patagonia the sports brand… | |||
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"A lot of the issues can be traced back to the Tories and their cuts. They’ve cut funding for the police and the criminal justice system. This has lead to not enough police, Courts not having enough capacity so cases take years, young offending teams cut to the bone. It will take years to undo the damage done to the criminal justice system, if it we’ll ever be repaired. But when it gets to court there are too many judges taking the side of the defendant and although there are sentence guidelines for most offences, when are they ever imposed?" Sentencing guidelines are always imposed and the judges side with the law. Just because you want an authoritarian state luckily we have good liberal democratic systems in the UK | |||
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"The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception." Pointing out all the faults is one way which develops discontent. Giving reasonable constructive ways to tackle a problem is better. The police are trying under the current restrictive conditions to tackle all crime. The fact that you don't see so many Bobbies walking around now is due to technology. Yes, I believe having Bobbies walk the streets is a good thing for people to feel safe, but modern crime is more complicated with technology around to help those conduct their crimes. So a large Police presence in the technology world is a good thing and I believe they are doing a magnificent job. Teachers are doing everything they are able to do, again under the massive restrictions, to do their best. Personally, I believe putting the multitude of restrictions on the Police and Teachers has made things very restrictive for them to do their work to the best. Both that and the so called Political Correctness. All of which have been brought out by the civilians of our society. Especially the so called Do-Gooders lol. I agree there should be monitoring and control over certain aspects of Policing, Teaching and Government acts, but I think we have lost common sense. Maybe we should bring back living with common sense lol | |||
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"The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. Pointing out all the faults is one way which develops discontent. Giving reasonable constructive ways to tackle a problem is better. The police are trying under the current restrictive conditions to tackle all crime. The fact that you don't see so many Bobbies walking around now is due to technology. Yes, I believe having Bobbies walk the streets is a good thing for people to feel safe, but modern crime is more complicated with technology around to help those conduct their crimes. So a large Police presence in the technology world is a good thing and I believe they are doing a magnificent job. Teachers are doing everything they are able to do, again under the massive restrictions, to do their best. Personally, I believe putting the multitude of restrictions on the Police and Teachers has made things very restrictive for them to do their work to the best. Both that and the so called Political Correctness. All of which have been brought out by the civilians of our society. Especially the so called Do-Gooders lol. I agree there should be monitoring and control over certain aspects of Policing, Teaching and Government acts, but I think we have lost common sense. Maybe we should bring back living with common sense lol" Define common sense | |||
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"The breakdown of society starts at home with a lack of discipline from parents. This issue grows when children misbehave in schools, and social media spreads the problem, often sensationalising incidents and fuelling public outrage. The mainstream media also plays a role, sometimes prioritising dramatic narratives over balanced reporting, which can distort public perception. Pointing out all the faults is one way which develops discontent. Giving reasonable constructive ways to tackle a problem is better. The police are trying under the current restrictive conditions to tackle all crime. The fact that you don't see so many Bobbies walking around now is due to technology. Yes, I believe having Bobbies walk the streets is a good thing for people to feel safe, but modern crime is more complicated with technology around to help those conduct their crimes. So a large Police presence in the technology world is a good thing and I believe they are doing a magnificent job. Teachers are doing everything they are able to do, again under the massive restrictions, to do their best. Personally, I believe putting the multitude of restrictions on the Police and Teachers has made things very restrictive for them to do their work to the best. Both that and the so called Political Correctness. All of which have been brought out by the civilians of our society. Especially the so called Do-Gooders lol. I agree there should be monitoring and control over certain aspects of Policing, Teaching and Government acts, but I think we have lost common sense. Maybe we should bring back living with common sense lol" Also restrictions? Like not beating children to a pulp or getting a wrong conviction?? | |||
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"A lot of the issues can be traced back to the Tories and their cuts. They’ve cut funding for the police and the criminal justice system. This has lead to not enough police, Courts not having enough capacity so cases take years, young offending teams cut to the bone. It will take years to undo the damage done to the criminal justice system, if it we’ll ever be repaired. But when it gets to court there are too many judges taking the side of the defendant and although there arete ntence guidelines for most offences, when are they ever imposed?" .... .... 🏴 Perhaps you can point to specific examples of judges taking the side of defendants? 🏴 | |||
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"… Just because you want an authoritarian state luckily we have good liberal democratic systems in the UK.. " Do you *really* think anyone who is unhappy with the state of current sentencing is a frothing “authoritarian”? Or is that just the BigDickWolfieSmith kneejerk ultra-progressive responses kicking in? Because according to any sort of survey, the vast majority of the UK public would like to see tougher sentencing. You mention “democratic” systems. Reflecting what the people want is of course democratic. They don’t always have to be liberal systems or as liberal as they are currently. We’re possibly hovering towards a Reform or Reform influenced government - and partly because hyper-partisans like yourself keep baiting people they are authoritarian. | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world The claim "crime rates have never been lower" doesn't quite add up!!..... According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, some crime types are actually on the rise. Here's what's going on: - *Violent Crimes:* - *Knife-enabled crime*: Up 4% to 50,510 offences, with a notable 13% increase in robberies involving knives or sharp instruments. - *Offences involving firearms*: Up 6% to 6,268 offences. - *Robbery*: Up 8% to 81,019 offences. - *Theft:* - *Shoplifting*: Up 30% to 452,635 offences, with this trend continuing and remaining at a high level. - *Theft from the person*: Up 40% according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, or up 50% to around 483,000 incidents as per another report. - *Cyber Crimes:* - *Computer misuse*: There's conflicting data, with a reported 53% increase in computer misuse offences referred by Action Fraud, but a more recent 23% decrease in computer misuse incidents to around 757,000. - *Overall Crime Rate:* - The overall UK crime rate saw a 4% decrease from the previous period ending September 2023, with 84 crimes per 1,000 people. These statistics are based on data from: - *Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW)*: Provides estimates of crime incidents and victimization rates. - *Police Recorded Crime Data*: Offers insights into crime trends and patterns. - *Home Office's Crime Outcomes in England and Wales Publication*: Reports on investigative outcomes. Given this data, it seems that certain types of crime are increasing, contradicting the claim that crime rates have never been lower. " Overall crime is down from when records began. Yet you disingenuously imply their up from last year. It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 1950s. However, everyone felt safer. It's about feelings not facts. The same as Brexit, the same as every debate alive today. We need to get back to fact based policy, which Starmer is trying. Hence the Louise Casey report and the need for a national inquiry and him announcing one. Not on the whim of some druged up tech owner and a race grifter | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Sometimes you’re beyond parody. " Feelings??? | |||
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"… Just because you want an authoritarian state luckily we have good liberal democratic systems in the UK.. Do you *really* think anyone who is unhappy with the state of current sentencing is a frothing “authoritarian”? Or is that just the BigDickWolfieSmith kneejerk ultra-progressive responses kicking in? Because according to any sort of survey, the vast majority of the UK public would like to see tougher sentencing. You mention “democratic” systems. Reflecting what the people want is of course democratic. They don’t always have to be liberal systems or as liberal as they are currently. We’re possibly hovering towards a Reform or Reform influenced government - and partly because hyper-partisans like yourself keep baiting people they are authoritarian. " Tougher sentencing and killing people doesn't work humanity has done it for as long we've existed. If you're theory worked we'd be a crime free world by now. We need to remove the most violent of criminals from our street obviously. However locking people up for tax fraud or anything apart from r@pe and murder is nonsensical. | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… " Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019!" You happened to be unlucky in 2019, most people weren't burgled it hadn't been a massive problem for decades. But you gossiping about it down the WI or marches y wawr, watching it on 999 what's your problem having feed from all over the globe in your social media You feel like it is, but in actual fact it is happening less, reported on and sensationalised and amplified more because it is actual news, it's new, it rarely happens | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world " It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance. | |||
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"Society in terms of the 'UK' tis never going to be a unified mass with shared values. Certainly the masses are largely against certain heinous acts-the abuse of children,women and the elderly- but fragmentation is to be expected as a result of people living different lives. Different groups have different values. Those at the bottom of the pile who think the state doesn't care about them- such thought is entrenched and generational. Division has always existed and under the current system always will. While it's true that society is diverse and fragmented, with different groups holding different values, that doesn't mean that we don't have to attempt to achieve it, for in attempting to achieve unity society will reap the benefits. Shared values like protecting vulnerable populations can serve as a foundation for broader social cohesion. The challenge lies in addressing the systemic issues that lead to feelings of disenfranchisement and neglect, particularly amongst marginalised communities. Rather than accepting division as inevitable, we could work towards creating more inclusive systems and fostering empathy across different groups. .... ... ... 🏴 Unity in a capitalist society is unachievable. Inclusive systems? How would they be possible bearing in mind the variation in class consciousness that exists? Only a revolutionary overhaul- which isn't happening- would make such change possible. Unity is ostensibly mythical. Polemic even if well-meaning- 'The whole world is but a reflection of the anarchy in our hearts' Grenville? It is overly pessimistic to say unity in society is unachievable. Philanthropy, a byproduct of capitalism, demonstrates that even within capitalist frameworks, individuals can drive positive change. Figures like Silas Aaron Salt, George Cadbury, and William Lever demonstrated that wealth can be used for social good. Their efforts improved lives and communities. And it's not just historical examples – modern-day philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Oprah Winfrey, and Richard Branson are using their resources to tackle pressing issues like global health, education, and environmental conservation. These initiatives not only address specific issues but also foster a sense of community and shared purpose, bringing people together across different backgrounds and interests. Moreover, large corporations are also contributing to social good. For instance, the Costa Coffee Foundation supports coffee farmers and their communities, promoting sustainable practices and fair trade. Other examples include Patagonia's environmental initiatives, The Body Shop's community trade programs, and LEGO's efforts to promote children's education and creativity. Building on these efforts, unity doesn't require a complete overhaul of the system. Incremental changes, policy reforms, and community-led initiatives can foster greater social cohesion. It's not about achieving a utopian state but about making progress. By focusing on shared goals and collaborative efforts, we can build bridges and find common ground, ultimately moving closer to a more unified society. .... .... 🏴 Fantasy sociology? Abbottabad state of mind? The aforementioned philanthropy hasn't led to widespread radical change. What on earth has Richard Branson done to change the class system? The Costa Coffee Company's scheme whilst commendable is a drop in the ocean. Cocoa farmers still face violence from cartels. They aren't experiencing anything life-changing via the Costa project. Did Cadbury's experiment lead to a shared purchase power across the board? Localised is not not across the board national. Systemic based on the localised is an anomaly. Utterly contradictory re the previous theoretical consideration. Bearing in mind the changes in society the use of limited examples from nascent capitalism is tenuous. The notion of 'moving closer' just isn't there outwith forum discourse. Those existing on council estates in substandard housing with no job or purchase power.Are they sharing values with a banker in a Knightsbridge pad anytime soon? The dialectic is absurd. Clearly not 🏴" Your critique of philanthropy and its limitations is well-worn, but it's based on an unrealistic expectation that individual actions alone can overhaul systemic issues. You're right that examples like Richard Branson or Costa Coffee's initiatives might not be revolutionary, but they do contribute to incremental change. The issue with your argument is that you're dismissing any positive impact because it doesn't fit your all-or-nothing view of social change. You're also relying on outdated notions of class struggle without acknowledging the complexities of modern society. It's telling that you're more focused on criticising individuals and corporations than exploring ways to work together towards meaningful change. Your approach seems to prioritise ideology over pragmatism, which can lead to stagnation and inaction. Rather than dismissing philanthropy and corporate social responsibility outright, perhaps we should be looking for ways to build on these efforts and create more comprehensive solutions. After all, it's unlikely that systemic change will come from a single source or initiative. As for the 'dialectic' being absurd, I'd argue that it's more nuanced than you're letting on. People from different backgrounds can share values and work towards common goals, even if their experiences and perspectives differ. It's not about ignoring the challenges faced by those on council estates or elsewhere; it's about finding ways to address those challenges through collective effort. This isn't some AI-generated response as the sci-fi comic readers of the forum are attempting to allege, it's a genuine engagement with the issues you have introduced into the debate! | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance. " If you want low level incidents that may or may not be a crime it might be a d*unk falling against your wing mirror to be investigated you might consider not cutting the police? Austerity??? Surely there's insurance and better ways for the police to spend their time than on these petty stuff | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance. " Exactly "tq" the Government's own official figures computed by the Office for National Statistics reveal that crime rates are on the INCREASE, but the blinkerd delusional Leftists from Cloud Cuckoo Territory who seem to have infiltrated this site are attempting to deny the official account of the situation, when the evidence is clear for all to see on a daily basis! | |||
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" … It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance... " Tsk! These are just “feelings”. There is no crime in the BigDick socialist utopia of StarmerLand. Criminal damage to cars is “petty”. You shouldn’t bother the police with nonsense like this. Only Reform voters fuss about things like cars and stuff. Arsonists, serial shoplifters and wife-beaters should not be locked up. No more locking people up because of “feelings”. “People of Korea, lift thine eyes in joyous celebration at the wonder of Samjiyon!” | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance. Exactly "tq" the Government's own official figures computed by the Office for National Statistics reveal that crime rates are on the INCREASE, but the blinkerd delusional Leftists from Cloud Cuckoo Territory who seem to have infiltrated this site are attempting to deny the official account of the situation, when the evidence is clear for all to see on a daily basis! " On a daily basis??? You literally see these crimes being committed on a daily basis? Remind me never to get on a plane with you | |||
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" … It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance... Tsk! These are just “feelings”. There is no crime in the BigDick socialist utopia of StarmerLand. Criminal damage to cars is “petty”. You shouldn’t bother the police with nonsense like this. Only Reform voters fuss about things like cars and stuff. Arsonists, serial shoplifters and wife-beaters should not be locked up. No more locking people up because of “feelings”. “People of Korea, lift thine eyes in joyous celebration at the wonder of Samjiyon!” " I haven't said there is no crime. I have said crime is at its lowest and that we are going about stopping it in the wrong way. Your reaction reduces you to be petty and with out thought or argument | |||
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" … It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance... Tsk! These are just “feelings”. There is no crime in the BigDick socialist utopia of StarmerLand. Criminal damage to cars is “petty”. You shouldn’t bother the police with nonsense like this. Only Reform voters fuss about things like cars and stuff. Arsonists, serial shoplifters and wife-beaters should not be locked up. No more locking people up because of “feelings”. “People of Korea, lift thine eyes in joyous celebration at the wonder of Samjiyon!” I haven't said there is no crime. I have said crime is at its lowest and that we are going about stopping it in the wrong way. Your reaction reduces you to be petty and with out thought or argument " You’ve literally written above: “However locking people up for tax fraud or anything apart from r@pe and murder is nonsensical” You’re insane. Mr Farage and Reform UK Limited would like to thank you for your continued sterling efforts in making them look electable. | |||
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"… Just because you want an authoritarian state luckily we have good liberal democratic systems in the UK.. Do you *really* think anyone who is unhappy with the state of current sentencing is a frothing “authoritarian”? Or is that just the BigDickWolfieSmith kneejerk ultra-progressive responses kicking in? Because according to any sort of survey, the vast majority of the UK public would like to see tougher sentencing. You mention “democratic” systems. Reflecting what the people want is of course democratic. They don’t always have to be liberal systems or as liberal as they are currently. We’re possibly hovering towards a Reform or Reform influenced government - and partly because hyper-partisans like yourself keep baiting people they are authoritarian. Tougher sentencing and killing people doesn't work humanity has done it for as long we've existed. If you're theory worked we'd be a crime free world by now. We need to remove the most violent of criminals from our street obviously. However locking people up for tax fraud or anything apart from r@pe and murder is nonsensical. " Nothing on this bootz | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019!" We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! | |||
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" … It is ludicrous to suggest that crime rates have never been lower. There is the actual crimes being committed, there is the number of crimes reported, and then there is the number of crimes recorded. Vast numbers of people who are the victims of crime do not report it, mostly because they don't expect to heave it dealt with. Criminal damage to cars , wing mirrors smashed and very many thefts from individuals are not longer reported for instance... Tsk! These are just “feelings”. There is no crime in the BigDick socialist utopia of StarmerLand. Criminal damage to cars is “petty”. You shouldn’t bother the police with nonsense like this. Only Reform voters fuss about things like cars and stuff. Arsonists, serial shoplifters and wife-beaters should not be locked up. No more locking people up because of “feelings”. “People of Korea, lift thine eyes in joyous celebration at the wonder of Samjiyon!” I haven't said there is no crime. I have said crime is at its lowest and that we are going about stopping it in the wrong way. Your reaction reduces you to be petty and with out thought or argument You’ve literally written above: “However locking people up for tax fraud or anything apart from r@pe and murder is nonsensical” You’re insane. Mr Farage and Reform UK Limited would like to thank you for your continued sterling efforts in making them look electable. " Because that's your reactionary nature and probably most of the British public that they are tapping into. I am still allowed to hold my beliefs at least until your lot get into power to disagree. And say it clearly doesn't, we've done it for thousands of years | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! " No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” " Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe. | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe." so your response is to ignore it all ? Must be AI ? | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days " Characteristically Big Dick, your response seems more focused on personal attacks than addressing the points raised. Let's stick to the facts. According to the Office for National Statistics, the murder rate has indeed increased over the past few decades. While it's true that news cycles move faster, the desensitisation I mentioned refers to the frequency and normalisation of violent crimes in our society, not just the reporting! | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe.so your response is to ignore it all ? Must be AI ? " No, crimes are commited the police deal with them! Sensationalising it and the availability of it in your news feed makes you think it's more of a problem than it actually is | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days Characteristically Big Dick, your response seems more focused on personal attacks than addressing the points raised. Let's stick to the facts. According to the Office for National Statistics, the murder rate has indeed increased over the past few decades. While it's true that news cycles move faster, the desensitisation I mentioned refers to the frequency and normalisation of violent crimes in our society, not just the reporting! " Babe if I was insulting you you'd know about it. Your talking nonsense, by population rate of crime not only in this country but globally is lower than since records began. You just don't "feel" it for whatever reason. I don't care about feelings. It's never been safer to be alive than now. | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe.so your response is to ignore it all ? Must be AI ? No, crimes are commited the police deal with them! Sensationalising it and the availability of it in your news feed makes you think it's more of a problem than it actually is " you’ve single-handedly put my mind at rest - thanks for your knowledgeable insight | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe.so your response is to ignore it all ? Must be AI ? No, crimes are commited the police deal with them! Sensationalising it and the availability of it in your news feed makes you think it's more of a problem than it actually is " Your view doesn't match the reality on the ground. Crime rates are rising, and it's not just about news sensationalism. The ONS data clearly shows a genuine increase in certain types of crime! | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days Characteristically Big Dick, your response seems more focused on personal attacks than addressing the points raised. Let's stick to the facts. According to the Office for National Statistics, the murder rate has indeed increased over the past few decades. While it's true that news cycles move faster, the desensitisation I mentioned refers to the frequency and normalisation of violent crimes in our society, not just the reporting! Babe if I was insulting you you'd know about it. Your talking nonsense, by population rate of crime not only in this country but globally is lower than since records began. You just don't "feel" it for whatever reason. I don't care about feelings. It's never been safer to be alive than now." Save it, BigDick, the ONS data doesn't support your claim. Crime rates are up in key areas, and people are feeling the impact! FACT! Now if you insist on trolling please feel free to do so, you are just making yourself a subject of total ridicule! | |||
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"People have gone feral- there’s no consequences for crimes committed now You’ve only got to look on TikTok- real people with real time footage that can’t be spun by MSM but yea - let’s just pretend it’s not all going to shit 2- tier police “force” Prime example of it feeling like it's gone to shit because it's fed straight to you from anywhere on the globe.so your response is to ignore it all ? Must be AI ? No, crimes are commited the police deal with them! Sensationalising it and the availability of it in your news feed makes you think it's more of a problem than it actually is Your view doesn't match the reality on the ground. Crime rates are rising, and it's not just about news sensationalism. The ONS data clearly shows a genuine increase in certain types of crime! " Certain types ...... That isn't how trends work you can pick on anything specific and say it's up or down on last year or month. I'm saying that overall crime is down since records began and all crime is down since the 1990s It has never been safer to be alive And taking the lack of AI in your responses you can't find a single source to back up your feelings | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days Characteristically Big Dick, your response seems more focused on personal attacks than addressing the points raised. Let's stick to the facts. According to the Office for National Statistics, the murder rate has indeed increased over the past few decades. While it's true that news cycles move faster, the desensitisation I mentioned refers to the frequency and normalisation of violent crimes in our society, not just the reporting! Babe if I was insulting you you'd know about it. Your talking nonsense, by population rate of crime not only in this country but globally is lower than since records began. You just don't "feel" it for whatever reason. I don't care about feelings. It's never been safer to be alive than now. Save it, BigDick, the ONS data doesn't support your claim. Crime rates are up in key areas, and people are feeling the impact! FACT! Now if you insist on trolling please feel free to do so, you are just making yourself a subject of total ridicule! " Threatening me with ridicule is just a way to stiffle debate, we all have opinions, we can all express them!! Only authoritarians don't want to hear other arguments | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! We are both from the same generation, Wildwesthero. I too vividly remember the 1960s - post-war society in the UK had undergone significant changes from the previous 20+ years, but it was undoubtedly a much safer time. Murders were rare and made national headlines; nowadays, the murder rate has increased substantially, and society sadly and alarmingly seems totally desensitised to it! No it's not undoubtedly, those are your feelings!! Those things still make nationalised headlines when they happen.......you might be taking your nana nap? The news cycle moves faster these days Characteristically Big Dick, your response seems more focused on personal attacks than addressing the points raised. Let's stick to the facts. According to the Office for National Statistics, the murder rate has indeed increased over the past few decades. While it's true that news cycles move faster, the desensitisation I mentioned refers to the frequency and normalisation of violent crimes in our society, not just the reporting! Babe if I was insulting you you'd know about it. Your talking nonsense, by population rate of crime not only in this country but globally is lower than since records began. You just don't "feel" it for whatever reason. I don't care about feelings. It's never been safer to be alive than now. Save it, BigDick, the ONS data doesn't support your claim. Crime rates are up in key areas, and people are feeling the impact! FACT! Now if you insist on trolling please feel free to do so, you are just making yourself a subject of total ridicule! Threatening me with ridicule is just a way to stiffle debate, we all have opinions, we can all express them!! Only authoritarians don't want to hear other arguments " Save the theatrics Dick. I most certainly wasn't threatening you, just calling out the nonsense. Crime's up now. ONS data shows it. Get with the times! | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??" Perhaps the fact that Academic institutions no longer accept sources from the Daily Mail as factual and reliable citations should say something. Nearly every other newspaper, right and left leaning is accepted, even some red tops, but not the Daily Mail. I wonder why? Oh yea, they are lying scrotes | |||
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"Crime is the lowest it’s ever been since the times of Ethelred the Unready and it’s only because some of you read the Daily Mail, you fascists!, that you are gullible enough to think otherwise. Is that a fair summation of where we are now with this thread..? Good-o. " | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! You happened to be unlucky in 2019, most people weren't burgled it hadn't been a massive problem for decades. But you gossiping about it down the WI or marches y wawr, watching it on 999 what's your problem having feed from all over the globe in your social media You feel like it is, but in actual fact it is happening less, reported on and sensationalised and amplified more because it is actual news, it's new, it rarely happens " Since you have resorted to petty, childish insult BDE with your puerile comments about the WI and Marches y Wawr [presumably you meant Merched y Wawr where you would probably feel more at home than I would] I feel justified in saying you do talk a load of rubbish at times. Get out of your ivory tower and the little bubble you live in and see the real world. Talk to real people for a change. Talk to policemen/women if they can spare the time when not investigating endless crimes. Yes of course crimes have been committed throughout the centuries and not just the last few decades. Crimes were committed even when penalties were harsh--deportation, execution etc. Difficult to come up with the true figures but it was certainly safer to walk the streets after dark or go to bed with your doors unlocked 50/60 years ago than it is now. | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! You happened to be unlucky in 2019, most people weren't burgled it hadn't been a massive problem for decades. But you gossiping about it down the WI or marches y wawr, watching it on 999 what's your problem having feed from all over the globe in your social media You feel like it is, but in actual fact it is happening less, reported on and sensationalised and amplified more because it is actual news, it's new, it rarely happens Since you have resorted to petty, childish insult BDE with your puerile comments about the WI and Marches y Wawr [presumably you meant Merched y Wawr where you would probably feel more at home than I would] I feel justified in saying you do talk a load of rubbish at times. Get out of your ivory tower and the little bubble you live in and see the real world. Talk to real people for a change. Talk to policemen/women if they can spare the time when not investigating endless crimes. Yes of course crimes have been committed throughout the centuries and not just the last few decades. Crimes were committed even when penalties were harsh--deportation, execution etc. Difficult to come up with the true figures but it was certainly safer to walk the streets after dark or go to bed with your doors unlocked 50/60 years ago than it is now." Or could it be you are older and your perception of danger has changed? One thing which is true is that we are a vastly more urbanised society than we were in the 70s or before and urban areas have always had higher crime rates. But what I see a lot of is old guys moaning about the state of the youth today, just as old guys were doing when they were kids. | |||
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"Crime is the lowest it’s ever been since the times of Ethelred the Unready and it’s only because some of you read the Daily Mail, you fascists!, that you are gullible enough to think otherwise. Is that a fair summation of where we are now with this thread..? Good-o. " Who's used that word? Stifling debate by accusing people of being ridiculed because they don't agree with the truth is authoritarian. There are more forms of authoritarianism than fascist. That is a particular political world, if you do subscribe to the daily mail though they do have a history of supporting facists | |||
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"Yes, the country is fast becoming shamelessly lawless, & is starting to resemble an open sewer in an undeveloped part of the world. Fractured into ghettos, self-isolated within cultural/religious/native tribes, instinctively understanding that unity is in their best interests. In contrast, the powers that be keep trotting out their bullshit propaganda that diversity is our countries strength and that things have never been better on every measurable level. But on the plus side, there's a plethora of Turkish barbers and fried chicken shops to choose from on every high street, and if you're in the anti-stab vest or home-security business, you'll be killin it. " For someone who lives in reading with this sort of attitude......leaving your home must be awful!!! May I suggest moving to a less muticultred part of Britain, try Ceredigion or the Valleys. Pure white, although I fear you still may get crime. Poverty innit | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party " You blind fool | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party What have the Daily Mail and Reform fabricated??Will for a start all Daily Mail reader's and Reformer's want all people under the age of 21 to be flogged for there crime's committed." And the problem with that is what exactly | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x " Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kid | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party It would be better if it was fabricated, the sad truth is it is happening and to be expected in a country where, by increments from the 1980's onward the criminal justice system has been largely dismantled. Court proceedings fro theft and civil disorder which were commonplace 30 years ago, are ignored now. Good example is the police deciding not to respond to theft from shops unless the amount invcoled is over £250!! That's just asking for anarchy and now it's happening, regardless of whether the Daily Mail covers it or not. *If this is was true, do you think the cutting of 20,000 police has anything to do with it? Austerity? *It isn't true, crime rates have never been lower! You feel less safe because the way they survey you is different. We no longer have the local bobby but we are one of the most surveillance countries in the world " Crime never been lower,what planet are you living on | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party You blind fool" do not call me a blind fool | |||
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"Yes, the country is fast becoming shamelessly lawless, & is starting to resemble an open sewer in an undeveloped part of the world. Fractured into ghettos, self-isolated within cultural/religious/native tribes, instinctively understanding that unity is in their best interests. In contrast, the powers that be keep trotting out their bullshit propaganda that diversity is our countries strength and that things have never been better on every measurable level. But on the plus side, there's a plethora of Turkish barbers and fried chicken shops to choose from on every high street, and if you're in the anti-stab vest or home-security business, you'll be killin it. For someone who lives in reading with this sort of attitude......leaving your home must be awful!!! May I suggest moving to a less muticultred part of Britain, try Ceredigion or the Valleys. Pure white, although I fear you still may get crime. Poverty innit " Your explicit support of white flight is noted | |||
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"Yes, the country is fast becoming shamelessly lawless, & is starting to resemble an open sewer in an undeveloped part of the world. Fractured into ghettos, self-isolated within cultural/religious/native tribes, instinctively understanding that unity is in their best interests. In contrast, the powers that be keep trotting out their bullshit propaganda that diversity is our countries strength and that things have never been better on every measurable level. But on the plus side, there's a plethora of Turkish barbers and fried chicken shops to choose from on every high street, and if you're in the anti-stab vest or home-security business, you'll be killin it. For someone who lives in reading with this sort of attitude......leaving your home must be awful!!! May I suggest moving to a less muticultred part of Britain, try Ceredigion or the Valleys. Pure white, although I fear you still may get crime. Poverty innit Your explicit support of white flight is noted" Some might say encouraged | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? fabricated by the Daily Mail and the Reform party You blind fool" Are you having a bit of a crisis? Is the heat raising your blood pressure? Sit down and let the nurse get you some sweet tea. | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kid" not rubbish its fact, nothing new here except social media can cover it,from teddy boys and flick knives ,mods and rockers hell's angels bover boys skin heads its always been there just a different style don't blame the kids x | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kidnot rubbish its fact, nothing new here except social media can cover it,from teddy boys and flick knives ,mods and rockers hell's angels bover boys skin heads its always been there just a different style don't blame the kids x" But then I have to look at my own failings, no thank you. | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! You happened to be unlucky in 2019, most people weren't burgled it hadn't been a massive problem for decades. But you gossiping about it down the WI or marches y wawr, watching it on 999 what's your problem having feed from all over the globe in your social media You feel like it is, but in actual fact it is happening less, reported on and sensationalised and amplified more because it is actual news, it's new, it rarely happens Since you have resorted to petty, childish insult BDE with your puerile comments about the WI and Marches y Wawr [presumably you meant Merched y Wawr where you would probably feel more at home than I would] I feel justified in saying you do talk a load of rubbish at times. Get out of your ivory tower and the little bubble you live in and see the real world. Talk to real people for a change. Talk to policemen/women if they can spare the time when not investigating endless crimes. Yes of course crimes have been committed throughout the centuries and not just the last few decades. Crimes were committed even when penalties were harsh--deportation, execution etc. Difficult to come up with the true figures but it was certainly safer to walk the streets after dark or go to bed with your doors unlocked 50/60 years ago than it is now." Absolutely spot on Wildwesthero, the hypocrisy is staggering when people of the ilk of the notorious forum serial troller BDE dish out insults and total random claptrap and expect others to take them seriously! You're right, crime's always existed, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. Fifty or sixty years ago, people felt safer because the reality was different. It's time for some people to take their rose tinted specs off, engage with the real world and acknowledge the official crime statistics and their serious implications on today's society. | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kidnot rubbish its fact, nothing new here except social media can cover it,from teddy boys and flick knives ,mods and rockers hell's angels bover boys skin heads its always been there just a different style don't blame the kids x But then I have to look at my own failings, no thank you." yes that's the problem nobody does. Convenient to forget the bad stuff you done is it not ? The times ive heard oh when I was a kid I would have got various good hiding lol xx | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kidnot rubbish its fact, nothing new here except social media can cover it,from teddy boys and flick knives ,mods and rockers hell's angels bover boys skin heads its always been there just a different style don't blame the kids x But then I have to look at my own failings, no thank you.yes that's the problem nobody does. Convenient to forget the bad stuff you done is it not ? The times ive heard oh when I was a kid I would have got various good hiding lol xx " Better to blame any of the following: People younger than me People browner than me People whiter than me People more Muslim than me People more Christian than me People richer than me People poorer than me People further left than me People further right than me People from a different country to me People from my country but who have one of the other differences The BBC Basically anyone other than me. | |||
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"The youth of today ,they don't make the laws and rules. We are as adults responsible for them,kids today are okay, what they need is more kid places to go youth clubs etc it's us that are to blame not them we have let them down badly.x Absolute rubbish,thats all we hear,kids have nowhere to go or nothing to do,just the same as when i was a kidnot rubbish its fact, nothing new here except social media can cover it,from teddy boys and flick knives ,mods and rockers hell's angels bover boys skin heads its always been there just a different style don't blame the kids x But then I have to look at my own failings, no thank you.yes that's the problem nobody does. Convenient to forget the bad stuff you done is it not ? The times ive heard oh when I was a kid I would have got various good hiding lol xx Better to blame any of the following: People younger than me People browner than me People whiter than me People more Muslim than me People more Christian than me People richer than me People poorer than me People further left than me People further right than me People from a different country to me People from my country but who have one of the other differences The BBC Basically anyone other than me. " pmsl nailed it x | |||
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" … It is now safer to leave your door open than it was in the 50s… Despite being ancient, by your youthful standards, I don't actually remember the '50s. However I do remember the '60s when a lot of people left their doors unlocked especially over night. I never used to lock my front door at night and only have done since some yobs went into my neighbours house one night in 2019! Talk to real people for a change. Talk to policemen/women if they can spare the time when not investigating endless crimes. Yes of course crimes have been committed throughout the centuries and not just the last few decades. Crimes were committed even when penalties were harsh--deportation, execution etc. Difficult to come up with the true figures but it was certainly safer to walk the streets after dark or go to bed with your doors unlocked 50/60 years ago than it is now. Or could it be you are older and your perception of danger has changed? One thing which is true is that we are a vastly more urbanised society than we were in the 70s or before and urban areas have always had higher crime rates. But what I see a lot of is old guys moaning about the state of the youth today, just as old guys were doing when they were kids. " Fair enough perhaps my perception of danger has changed as I get older. Certainly wouldn't feel comfortable going 'out on the town' on a Friday or Saturday night now, whereas a few years ago I would have thought nothing of it. After the 2019 incident with my then neighbour I have made a point of locking-up at night. However I am talking about a very small town [Pop 3,500 approx] with a reputation for being a very peaceful, low-crime back-water. I certainly do not condemn 'youth of today' since I don't see them as that much different to when I was their age. Good and bad in all ages and strata of society. It could be that we are more aware of crime now because of social media. I also think that drugs play a much bigger part in it now. | |||
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"This statement is based on official crime statistics supplied by the Office of National Statistics:- "Crime statistics:- Fraud's up 33% to around 4.1 million incidents, and theft's up 13% to around 2.9 million incidents, with theft from the person increasing by 50%. Computer misuse is down 23% to around 757,000 incidents, driven by a 29% decrease in unauthorised access to personal information. The number of homicides recorded in the year ending March 2024 was 570, which is 3% lower than the previous year. However, knife crime's a growing issue, with 44% of recorded homicides involving a knife or sharp instrument, a slight increase compared to the previous year. Additionally, domestic abuse-related offences are up, with 889,441 offences flagged as domestic abuse-related in the year ending March 2023, a 14% increase compared to the year ending March 2020." " What about wearing double denim? | |||
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"This statement is based on official crime statistics supplied by the Office of National Statistics:- "Crime statistics:- Fraud's up 33% to around 4.1 million incidents, and theft's up 13% to around 2.9 million incidents, with theft from the person increasing by 50%. Computer misuse is down 23% to around 757,000 incidents, driven by a 29% decrease in unauthorised access to personal information. The number of homicides recorded in the year ending March 2024 was 570, which is 3% lower than the previous year. However, knife crime's a growing issue, with 44% of recorded homicides involving a knife or sharp instrument, a slight increase compared to the previous year. Additionally, domestic abuse-related offences are up, with 889,441 offences flagged as domestic abuse-related in the year ending March 2023, a 14% increase compared to the year ending March 2020." What about wearing double denim? " Looks dreadful on older guys! 🫣🫣 | |||
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"What exactly is going on in our towns and cities? I'm seeing reports of marauding youths openly shoplifting and acting with total impunity in public. Is all this stuff actually true or fabricated by social media providers / users? Everyone and their dog just stands with their mobiles filming incidents these days" Bloody clever Dogs out there - impressive  | |||
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