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"Reform is edgy, the Lee van Cleef angel eyes of politics and flavour of the month. It's all about clickbait. " It is all about click bait, you are absolutely right. What it is not about is a coherent view on how the country should function. | |||
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" Lib dem and green were and by several measures still are more popular and more successfully than the reform group" Last election share of total vote Reform 14.29% (5 seats) Lib Dem 12.22% (72) Green 6.4% (4) The groundswell is with Reform, and the recent council by elections were an absolute landslide. Greens and Yellers really only get the dunno vote, while Reform, or skip before it, get the protest vote. Sadly, the protest vote will only grow at this point in time | |||
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"Hard to understand the rise of Reform given the performance of all three mainstream political parties. " Fine sarcasm, damn fine 🙂 | |||
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"Hard to understand the rise of Reform given the performance of all three mainstream political parties. " We have (had?) three? Last election lib dem leader had to act the clown to even get a mention in press or TV. Completely sidelined , but the snake oil man got mentioned as often as either of main parties. You couldn't have bought the advertising.... | |||
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" Lib dem and green were and by several measures still are more popular and more successfully than the reform group Last election share of total vote Reform 14.29% (5 seats) Lib Dem 12.22% (72) Green 6.4% (4) The groundswell is with Reform, and the recent council by elections were an absolute landslide. Greens and Yellers really only get the dunno vote, while Reform, or skip before it, get the protest vote. Sadly, the protest vote will only grow at this point in time" Before election reform had practically zip. If greens had been pushed as reform was they could have doubled thier count. | |||
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"The Uniparty needs breaking, lib dems have had over a century of failure so Reform are the best chance of it happening. Like it not, immigration is a huge issue in this country (and many others), and the uniparty aren't listening. Ukip in 2014 was a warning, Brexit was a warning, Conservatives winning on "get Brexit done" was a warning ... People are sick of corruption and lies. Tories were corrupt and the dictatorship of Labour is the most blatant lie teller of all Governments ever. Whether Reform turn out exactly the same remains to be seen, but the Blues and the Reds need throwing in The Thames never to rise again " I'd agree with last bit, but in terms of dissembling graft garage promises to make Johnson and trump look like amateurs! | |||
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"Reform is edgy, the Lee van Cleef angel eyes of politics and flavour of the month. It's all about clickbait. " Exactly this. Media is there to make money first and foremost and secondly to influence the public on what is most likely their to line the media company’s pockets | |||
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"Reform is edgy, the Lee van Cleef angel eyes of politics and flavour of the month. It's all about clickbait. Exactly this. Media is there to make money first and foremost and secondly to influence the public on what is most likely their to line the media company’s pockets" Agree. We need better media. I see more well rounded discussions here than on question time! | |||
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"Reform is edgy, the Lee van Cleef angel eyes of politics and flavour of the month. It's all about clickbait. Exactly this. Media is there to make money first and foremost and secondly to influence the public on what is most likely their to line the media company’s pockets Agree. We need better media. I see more well rounded discussions here than on question time! " Question time is not the issue, that at least allows a broad range of views. The issue is the privately owned media as they are not even trying to be broadly encompassing. | |||
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"Any suggestions for alternatives to Main Stream Media(MSM)?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"Are reform still listed on companies house as a limited company? How is that allowed?Surely political parties cant be any type of company? And who at that company is making money?Whats the business model?" . I believe Farage was main voting stock holder, and his money man had an interest. | |||
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"From the media coverage you'd never guess we elected 500 social democratic MPs and just 127 right wingers. The people spoke but the media doesn't like it." Are you including the BBC in 'the media'? | |||
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"Reform is edgy, the Lee van Cleef angel eyes of politics and flavour of the month. It's all about clickbait. It is all about click bait, you are absolutely right. What it is not about is a coherent view on how the country should function. " can't do a worse job than Liebour | |||
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" Lib dem and green were and by several measures still are more popular and more successfully than the reform group Last election share of total vote Reform 14.29% (5 seats) Lib Dem 12.22% (72) Green 6.4% (4) The groundswell is with Reform, and the recent council by elections were an absolute landslide. Greens and Yellers really only get the dunno vote, while Reform, or skip before it, get the protest vote. Sadly, the protest vote will only grow at this point in time" A load of twaddle I'm afraid. The Greens and the Libdems have policies. Proper, thought out, meaningful policies. Reform has nothing that will actually help . They just mouth off on topics like immigration, Brexit and waste to get the airtime which they are given loads of because it creates controversy. Someone wrote, on the money I think, "Farage has an answer for everything but the solution to nothing". Reform UK, 2019 to 2024, took £2.3m in donations from fossil fuel and climate denying companies. Their MPs and councillors either leave, get thrown out, found out to be involved in scandals and chucked out. Their MPs don't have a long shelf life either. A few days ago neither the Reform UK Chairman or Vice Chairman attended planning committee despite they opposition to solar, they couldn't be bothered to actually turn up. Rather like Farage when he was an MEP; one Fishing, his main interest, he turned up for 1 in 42 meetings of that committee. He made sure he collected his salary! As the MP for Clacton he has mentioned the town 'he represents' only four times in the Commons. He has though made multiple trips to the USA since being elected as an MP last July and pocketed £970,000 from his second jobs. That will buy him plenty of pints down the Clacton local I'm sure. Man of the people, my arse. Reform - party of the people? Give me a break. | |||
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"If you look at column inches and to a lesser extent editorial stance, reform as a minority group in politics are getting ten times the coverage orf other parties with more MPs and counselors then they have ever had. Lib dem and green were and by several measures still are more popular and more successfully than the reform group. Yet when was the last time you got a decent discussion of Thier view in any mainstream platform. But reform are always there. Look at spectator article today on the data breach and appalling treatment of Afghan allies. Below is an extract, zero mention of others actually in parliament and actively screaming about the issue. Quote' The Tories tore themselves apart over the plan (codenamed Operation Rubific), with the Home Office, Treasury and Foreign Office all expressing serious concerns. Yet they were overruled by defence ministers, who, the Telegraph reports, used ‘emotional blac**ail’ to force the plan through. It’s potentially a political gift for Reform, one which they will look to exploit, argues The Spectator’s ..../quote Reform finger pointing what a surprise! What about requests for info/demands for actual change made by independents and other minority parties? Zero coverage. Because reform can be trusted not to actually change very much? " if talking about the sun newspaper they back panties that are in voke | |||
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"If anything majority of media is against Reform The problem is the mainstream media celebs & MPs have ignored the general public for years They feel reform is the only party that is listening Whether you agree is up to you Calling them names doesn’t work anymore because it’s been done so often We sadly have a ticking time bomb which is all of their doing If MPs & celebs lived in areas hugely affected by it they might have an idea But again having candidates parachuted into so called safe area rather than local ones is another poor decision " I agree that, if anything, there is a rather nervous prejudice against Reform. However the main Stream Media are well aware that with the public being much more aware of Reform via the polls that put them out in the lead, and the fact that they have a few MPs in Parliament for the first time, and Farage being very a more interesting and edgy candidate than other leaders, it is very awkward for them to try and ignore him. I am quite certain that group think in some parts of the BBC and Channel four and the other liberal leftists in the media would just like Reform and Farage to go a way, but it will not happen any time soon. | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue." Yes,but they are a one issue party. They won't talk about their policies on anything else. Well Mr.Farage what are your views on anything else ? Answer...IMMIGRANTS!! Thank you mr.Farage. | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue. Yes,but they are a one issue party. They won't talk about their policies on anything else. Well Mr.Farage what are your views on anything else ? Answer...IMMIGRANTS!! Thank you mr.Farage. " Well actually, Reform's platform extends far beyond immigration. They've outlined policies on economic growth, national sovereignty, public service reform, and law and order. For instance, they propose cutting taxes, streamlining government spending, and prioritising British interests. They also aim to reform public services, recruit more police officers, and take a tougher stance on crime. While immigration is a key issue, it's not the only plank of their platform. | |||
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"If you look at column inches and to a lesser extent editorial stance, reform as a minority group in politics are getting ten times the coverage orf other parties with more MPs and counselors then they have ever had. " Probably because the owners of the media have their own agenda that they are pushing to influence voters. We saw the same thing during the Brexshit referendum where people would rather believe a pack of proven lies than facts. Gaslighting, brainwashing, call it what you want but it is going on in real-time now. | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue." Compared to other issues in the country, just on finance basis , Immigration via boats is complete irrelevant!! Six million a day scam though it may be that's just chicken feed!! For heavens sake look at the sums and start looking at causes of issues your complaining about!! Why is government broke? Why are public infrastructure in bits? Nothing to do with boats and hotels. It's privatisation and profit extraction , from you! Serco and G4 alone earn billions from UK tax payer for crap service. The boat people and costs are not even a cherry on top! Profit extraction from UK per day is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than the boat people and huge parts of that earn less tax per pound than the lowest income tax bracket. That corporate vampirism is the problem! | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue. Compared to other issues in the country, just on finance basis , Immigration via boats is complete irrelevant!! Six million a day scam though it may be that's just chicken feed!! For heavens sake look at the sums and start looking at causes of issues your complaining about!! Why is government broke? Why are public infrastructure in bits? Nothing to do with boats and hotels. It's privatisation and profit extraction , from you! Serco and G4 alone earn billions from UK tax payer for crap service. The boat people and costs are not even a cherry on top! Profit extraction from UK per day is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than the boat people and huge parts of that earn less tax per pound than the lowest income tax bracket. That corporate vampirism is the problem! " Oh dear.. back to basics. Very Orwellian... 'State good, Private bad' Even the Chinese woke up to that nonsense. | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue. Compared to other issues in the country, just on finance basis , Immigration via boats is complete irrelevant!! Six million a day scam though it may be that's just chicken feed!! For heavens sake look at the sums and start looking at causes of issues your complaining about!! Why is government broke? Why are public infrastructure in bits? Nothing to do with boats and hotels. It's privatisation and profit extraction , from you! Serco and G4 alone earn billions from UK tax payer for crap service. The boat people and costs are not even a cherry on top! Profit extraction from UK per day is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than the boat people and huge parts of that earn less tax per pound than the lowest income tax bracket. That corporate vampirism is the problem! " Simply downplaying the cost of immigration via boats as 'chicken feed' ignores the £6.8 million daily cost to taxpayers for asylum seeker accommodation alone. This expense is not just a minor issue; it's a symptom of a broader immigration system that's out of control. We can't just focus on one problem while ignoring others. Both corporate profiteering and uncontrolled immigration need to be tackled. The fact that some companies are extracting huge profits from taxpayers doesn't mean we should ignore the impact of mass immigration on our public services and communities. We need a comprehensive solution that secures our borders, reforms our asylum system, and puts UK citizens' needs first. By addressing both corporate profiteering and immigration, we can build a more sustainable and equitable system for all. | |||
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"Not orwelian it's common sense unless you subscribe to the Rand foundation mantra that "the strong must be allowed to do as they will!" Ie truss bul*hit. Absolutely correct Decent governance where elected representatives do for the populace what they cannot easily do alone, is the basis of any fair society. China (the great boggy man) for all its flaws has actually curved the worst excesses of capitalism and prevented itself from following our slide into feudalistic international corporate melting pot. It has massively raised living standards, whereas in Western world ours are falling decade on decade over the same period. We need our government to do what we elect them to do, not what corporations pay them to do. " | |||
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"Reform UK is right to highlight the pressing issue of immigration. The statistics are stark, and it's clear that the current system is unsustainable. While other parties may be hesitant to tackle this issue head-on, Reform UK is speaking to the concerns of many voters who feel that immigration is out of control. Their policy on immigration could be a game-changer, and it's likely to resonate with many who are frustrated with the status quo. Perhaps it's time for the other parties to take a closer look at Reform UK's approach and consider whether there's a more effective way to address this issue. Compared to other issues in the country, just on finance basis , Immigration via boats is complete irrelevant!! Six million a day scam though it may be that's just chicken feed!! For heavens sake look at the sums and start looking at causes of issues your complaining about!! Why is government broke? Why are public infrastructure in bits? Nothing to do with boats and hotels. It's privatisation and profit extraction , from you! Serco and G4 alone earn billions from UK tax payer for crap service. The boat people and costs are not even a cherry on top! Profit extraction from UK per day is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than the boat people and huge parts of that earn less tax per pound than the lowest income tax bracket. That corporate vampirism is the problem! Simply downplaying the cost of immigration via boats as 'chicken feed' ignores the £6.8 million daily cost to taxpayers for asylum seeker accommodation alone. This expense is not just a minor issue; it's a symptom of a broader immigration system that's out of control. We can't just focus on one problem while ignoring others. Both corporate profiteering and uncontrolled immigration need to be tackled. The fact that some companies are extracting huge profits from taxpayers doesn't mean we should ignore the impact of mass immigration on our public services and communities. We need a comprehensive solution that secures our borders, reforms our asylum system, and puts UK citizens' needs first. By addressing both corporate profiteering and immigration, we can build a more sustainable and equitable system for all. " I think you looking at the hole in the boat that will eventually flood a deck, while ignoring the ice berg stuck in the middle of the ship. Clean up the graft and clear the artificially maintained back log and 90% of the hotels crisis will go. In six months 80%+ of boat people processed and available for work or gone. The fact that they aren't is a deliberate scam. But one of very very many. | |||
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"Not orwelian it's common sense unless you subscribe to the Rand foundation mantra that "the strong must be allowed to do as they will!" Ie truss bul*hit. Decent governance where elected representatives do for the populace what they cannot easily do alone, is the basis of any fair society. China (the great boggy man) for all its flaws has actually curved the worst excesses of capitalism and prevented itself from following our slide into feudalistic international corporate melting pot. It has massively raised living standards, whereas in Western world ours are falling decade on decade over the same period. We need our government to do what we elect them to do, not what corporations pay them to do. " Yes I’m sure the Uyghurs are enjoying their gold plated prison cells. | |||
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"Not orwelian it's common sense unless you subscribe to the Rand foundation mantra that "the strong must be allowed to do as they will!" Ie truss bul*hit. Decent governance where elected representatives do for the populace what they cannot easily do alone, is the basis of any fair society. China (the great boggy man) for all its flaws has actually curved the worst excesses of capitalism and prevented itself from following our slide into feudalistic international corporate melting pot. It has massively raised living standards, whereas in Western world ours are falling decade on decade over the same period. We need our government to do what we elect them to do, not what corporations pay them to do. Yes I’m sure the Uyghurs are enjoying their gold plated prison cells." As much as the kids in Gaza enjoy our gifts and the woman today arrested by a confused cop for calling out genocide feels secure from terrorism. I didn't say be China. Im saying learn from them. | |||
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"Britain's print media is almost 100% right wing,only the Daily Mirror is left of centre, the BBC supports the Conservative Party but loves Farage and like the print media is abandoning the Tories for the Reform Party. " I agree, in BBC rot is from the top. And accelerating. | |||
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