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"I understood why the voting age was lowered in the 1970s, from 21 to 18. You could have been working and paying taxes for 5 years, yet not able to vote. By the time you eached 18 you could be married, have children and have a mortgage. You were an adult with responsibilities. 16 and 17 year olds are still at school, they may be bright and sensible but are they ready to make thoughtful and independent decisions on the future of the country. They are still children and have yet to experience life in the real world. Is lowering the voting age the correct policy?" I believe so, yes. Simply because they will be spending more adult years under the elected government than not, if voting at that age. There is no cut off age, so 16 and 17 year olds should have a say in their future. | |||
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"I understood why the voting age was lowered in the 1970s, from 21 to 18. You could have been working and paying taxes for 5 years, yet not able to vote. By the time you eached 18 you could be married, have children and have a mortgage. You were an adult with responsibilities. 16 and 17 year olds are still at school, they may be bright and sensible but are they ready to make thoughtful and independent decisions on the future of the country. They are still children and have yet to experience life in the real world. Is lowering the voting age the correct policy?" You are telling me that adults older than them can make sensible decisions as well? The evidence isn’t strong. | |||
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"Old enough to pay income tax should be old enough to vote too. Coming from a generation where nearly all of us left School at 16 and went into full time employment I don't understand why we treat 16 year olds as children and don't encourage them to work, seems a backward step. " Because legally they are children | |||
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"Old enough to pay income tax should be old enough to vote too. Yet not old enough to legally buy a lottery ticket or buy a pint of beer or place a bet." | |||
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"Old enough to pay income tax should be old enough to vote too. Coming from a generation where nearly all of us left School at 16 and went into full time employment I don't understand why we treat 16 year olds as children and don't encourage them to work, seems a backward step. Because legally they are children" The age of consent is 16. Are you saying children can have children? | |||
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"Old enough to pay income tax should be old enough to vote too. Coming from a generation where nearly all of us left School at 16 and went into full time employment I don't understand why we treat 16 year olds as children and don't encourage them to work, seems a backward step. Because legally they are children The age of consent is 16. Are you saying children can have children? " Always have and always will. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named." This  | |||
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"Can vote, but can't buy half a shandy in the pub, or a lottery ticket..... Its got nothing to do with the fact that the young are more likely to vote Labour (if they can be bothered to vote at all) has it? Or is just that too cynical...." It's that less than half the population are voting. And there is a hope idealistic young might up the numbers. | |||
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"I think it should have been left at 18 but I can understand why the Government has done it.i don't think it'll make any difference to the next GE result though ,most of them won't be bothered to vote ." More under 25 year old voted on Facebook Brexit vote , then went to vote at ballot box . Let’s be honest depending on what’s fashionable at time ? will decide on who gets in . But labour hoping the youth those benefits, and immigrants + Muslim vote carry them over the line. Lot votes next they scrap voting ID for more help . Tory comeback seems unlikely, and liberal gain has some momentum. But Mr Farage has got come up with more substance then just immigration. Although he garner lot votes , as the other parties killings themselves with lack of giving British public want they want ? And ridiculous cost living , being ripped off at every level . Just imagine house prices and energy bills in 3 years . So Nigel has good chance to succeed! Can’t be any worse then present shower shit . But many things we lived to regret after the event . Probably like people who voted labour . And those who didn’t vote at all . | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named." yea 👍 | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This " | |||
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"I think it should have been left at 18 but I can understand why the Government has done it.i don't think it'll make any difference to the next GE result though ,most of them won't be bothered to vote . More under 25 year old voted on Facebook Brexit vote , then went to vote at ballot box . Let’s be honest depending on what’s fashionable at time ? will decide on who gets in . But labour hoping the youth those benefits, and immigrants + Muslim vote carry them over the line. Lot votes next they scrap voting ID for more help . Tory comeback seems unlikely, and liberal gain has some momentum. But Mr Farage has got come up with more substance then just immigration. Although he garner lot votes , as the other parties killings themselves with lack of giving British public want they want ? And ridiculous cost living , being ripped off at every level . Just imagine house prices and energy bills in 3 years . So Nigel has good chance to succeed! Can’t be any worse then present shower shit . But many things we lived to regret after the event . Probably like people who voted labour . And those who didn’t vote at all . " Not gonna lie, struggled to understand exactly what you wrote but the jjst I got out of it is cost of living and house prices. Those most likely to be affected by those factors are 16-18 year olds in the immediate future, than those who have finished their working life. Give them the vote I say. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This "And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This
And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers."And sit on a jury. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers." | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers. Not until there 18 the navy combat zone is 16. " | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This
And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers."No they’re not. They can join up at 16 but can’t see active service until they are 18 | |||
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I've read that younger generations are more likely to sit at extremes of the political spectrum
I imagine it's a result of social media awareness/manipulation
Will be interesting to see what difference it brings, if any | |||
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"At 16 youv no experience and think it matters. But why vote for a liar on your doorstep who then gets voted in and told (whipped) which way to vote. We clearly have no democracy.. " So is this a proposal that no one gets to vote? | |||
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"No unless your contributing to the country no 18 is low enough , most of the teenagers I know have absolutely no idea on anything other than the ins and outs of a mobile phone . Even then you can’t get them to link two words together in a legible form." Why would that disqualify them from voting? There are many adults who fit that description…and yet they have the ability to vote. | |||
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"Yes I think it’s a good idea obviously some don’t earn money and pay taxes but should still have a voice in how the country is run…. I just wish more people could be bothered to vote at any age "Agreed maybe not paying taxes, but having been in education for most of their lives so far means they are up close to the state on a daily basis more than most tax payers in private employment are so a case could be made for them having a more detailed understanding.. | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all." I agree. We have to answer the consensus. I think keep it at 18 up or even 21, but do agree one who is eligible to vote, should do so. | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all." This is my gripe with the current situation Turnout in my area for 2024 was 51%  | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all. This is my gripe with the current situation Turnout in my area for 2024 was 51% "Should be fines issued for any none voters. | |||
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"Fine they have all the privileges,they also have all the responsibility, a,out young offenders into adult prison, b,eligible for conscription in times of war," Mmmm, bit hypocritical given that you will have lived your life without the threat of conscription hanging over your head  | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all. This is my gripe with the current situation Turnout in my area for 2024 was 51%
Should be fines issued for any none voters."Forcing people to vote does come with its own issues though People will then just vote for the wrong reasons, unless they're politically aware (in which case they would likely already be voters) | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named." | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This
And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers."Allowed to join the army but not allowed to fight in combat zones. That ended in the early '70s. | |||
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"Have to say, it's very interesting to see that a major talking point here is that if younger people want to vote, they should also expect to be punished in some way completely unrelated, be that conscription (which 99% of users here would hope never to be part of) or adult charges for crimes (which would go against rehabilitation pathways)" The point is I think, if you want the right to vote, then you must take responsibilities that come with it. Personally I think 16/17 is too young to vote, I know at that age I was too busy chasing skirt than even a superficial knowledge of economics and politics. Though I confess I realised the impact politicians had on our lives as we lived through the strikes and blackouts of the 1970's | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all." Voting is compulsory in Australia. It seems to work. | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with." . Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing. | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing." Missing the point or being disingenuous? | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing." If you look at the voting patterns by demographics and how first past the post works you'll quickly see how Labour have so many seats. For example reform had more votes than lib Dems yet have 5 MPs to the lib Dems 72. Parties need to have concentrated voting blocks to win seats. That's why Muslims are massively over represented and catered for, especially by Labour. They live together in areas and are directed to vote by the mosques. Listen to Raja miah on this. | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? "To Jim125, No wonder your on a gay site, i think a lot of women would find that remark offensive, i would have to agree with them. Pleasec ake a valid point, about the subject, not rude remarks, about groups, sexs or individuals. | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? "you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately | |||
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And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers.
And sit on a jury."You have to be 18 to sit on a jury in England and Wales. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named." Definitely this | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately "OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs??? | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. Definitely this " | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???"No I thought it rather funny | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???
No I thought it rather funny "I suppose the written word on its own can be taken the wrong way but who would imagine that comment was anything but meant as humour ? | |||
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"No I don’t think it should be lowered , in fact I think the voting age should be raised. I didn’t have a clue at 18 when I first voted and think it wasn’t until I was in my mid twenties I understood the difference between left , right and all the shades in-between. It’s not until you have a few years of full time work under your belt you understand the consequences. Call me cynical but unless we dump the first past the post system at the same time, I fear it will be a recipe for disaster. " So because you were thick at that age all young people today shouldn't get a vote? I remember the 1983 general election, I was 16, myself and my schoolfriend were way more politically sophisticated than most adults I knew at the time. Had I been allowed to vote aged 16 in 1983, I'd have voted for Roy Jenkins SDP, Liberal Alliance, that's way more sensible than how most "Adults" actually voted in 1983 (Conservative, for Thatcher) | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all. I agree. We have to answer the consensus. I think keep it at 18 up or even 21, but do agree one who is eligible to vote, should do so. " Then the candidates who are after your votes should be made to keep to there manifesto promises, not change as soon as they get into power. | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???"Jim if their is a comic element in your post, please tell me what it is? As i cant see it. If there is I will apologise to you, | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???
Jim if their is a comic element in your post, please tell me what it is? As i cant see it. If there is I will apologise to you, "1928 they quite rightly got the vote so it was merely a flippant remark. Similar to the "jokes" about women drivers, or is that not funny either? | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing. Missing the point or being disingenuous?" The reason I asked is because I genuinely wanted to know. Having read the other comments I wasn’t thinking along racist lines, because i don’t. | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing. Missing the point or being disingenuous? The reason I asked is because I genuinely wanted to know. Having read the other comments I wasn’t thinking along racist lines, because i don’t." I've said nothing racist, merely pointed out voting trends and how they effect a first past the post system. | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing. Missing the point or being disingenuous? The reason I asked is because I genuinely wanted to know. Having read the other comments I wasn’t thinking along racist lines, because i don’t." I suggest you look up the Guardian article “Judge slates banana republic postal voting system” which shows the posters fears are not unfounded. The answer was is to make people prove they really need a postal vote. We really need to get a grip of this. | |||
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"I'd ... so. Then the candidates who are after your votes should be made to keep to there manifesto promises, not change as soon as they get into power." In theory they are you can have a vote of no confidence, and if we had PR then kicking a govt out would be a lot easier , (rather than the pseudo monarchies we tend to have!) | |||
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"No I don’t think it should be lowered , in fact I think the voting age should be raised. I didn’t have a clue at 18 when I first voted and think it wasn’t until I was in my mid twenties I understood the difference between left , right and all the shades in-between. It’s not until you have a few years of full time work under your belt you understand the consequences. Call me cynical but unless we dump the first past the post system at the same time, I fear it will be a recipe for disaster. So because you were thick at that age all young people today shouldn't get a vote? I remember the 1983 general election, I was 16, myself and my schoolfriend were way more politically sophisticated than most adults I knew at the time. Had I been allowed to vote aged 16 in 1983, I'd have voted for Roy Jenkins SDP, Liberal Alliance, that's way more sensible than how most "Adults" actually voted in 1983 (Conservative, for Thatcher) " Seems you haven’t matured very much, if insult is your first response in a debate . | |||
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"I can agree with the arguments from both sides. Come to a compromise..make it 17and we've got a deal. I sounded a bit like Trump then ! It would be the best deal ever. Ever. " A most Beautiful Deal in fact | |||
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"No I don’t think it should be lowered , in fact I think the voting age should be raised. I didn’t have a clue at 18 when I first voted and think it wasn’t until I was in my mid twenties I understood the difference between left , right and all the shades in-between. It’s not until you have a few years of full time work under your belt you understand the consequences. Call me cynical but unless we dump the first past the post system at the same time, I fear it will be a recipe for disaster. So because you were thick at that age all young people today shouldn't get a vote? I remember the 1983 general election, I was 16, myself and my schoolfriend were way more politically sophisticated than most adults I knew at the time. Had I been allowed to vote aged 16 in 1983, I'd have voted for Roy Jenkins SDP, Liberal Alliance, that's way more sensible than how most "Adults" actually voted in 1983 (Conservative, for Thatcher) Seems you haven’t matured very much, if insult is your first response in a debate . " You're literally wanting to deny people the vote! People like you deserve to be insulted, who else shouldn't be allowed to vote in your Wold? The unemployed? | |||
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"Big families with obedient children will essentially mean certain patriarchs hold massive voting influence. This will simply give even more power to certain voting blocks that Labour favour. Perhaps we should reconsider giving democracy a go instead of the mess we currently live with.. Wouldn’t the same be true for other parties? I can’t see how it’s more of a labour thing. Missing the point or being disingenuous? The reason I asked is because I genuinely wanted to know. Having read the other comments I wasn’t thinking along racist lines, because i don’t. I've said nothing racist, merely pointed out voting trends and how they effect a first past the post system. " I didn’t say you had, I merely explained why I was neither missing the point or being disingenuous, simply a genuine enquiry. | |||
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"It's an extremely foolish idea, brought to you by people who said Shamina Begum was an easily misled child who wasn't responsible for her actions at the same age." But many of us are consistent, I think Sharon Begum knew what she was doing and deserves everything she gets, AND 16 and 17 year old should have thd vote. | |||
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"When l was younger you had to be 21 to vote. Was supposed to be coming of age." and you had to walk 10 miles to work in the cotton mill don't a 12hr shift 6 days with only 15min lunch break then walk home to a plate sheep's head stew then look forward to a lie in on Sunday if you were lucky enough not to live nextdoor to the local church | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all." I would agree, but wouldn’t make being on the register compulsory. It’s a major contributor to junk mail. The data bases now have proved to be weak and leaks are frequent. Given the choice I would not be on the Register. | |||
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"When l was younger you had to be 21 to vote. Was supposed to be coming of age." When you were younger it was also illegal to have sex with men. Some things are just better now. | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all. I would agree, but wouldn’t make being on the register compulsory. It’s a major contributor to junk mail. The data bases now have proved to be weak and leaks are frequent. Given the choice I would not be on the Register." Being on the Electoral Register isn’t compulsory…you can chose not to be on it. Obviously if your not on it you can’t Vote ….and you forfit you right to complain / moan about any Government or Council decision as you have lost your chance to influence. You still have to pay the taxes imposed by those who get elected though …you never forfeit that particular bit of democracy | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???
No I thought it rather funny
I suppose the written word on its own can be taken the wrong way but who would imagine that comment was anything but meant as humour ? "It made me smile to be fair ... and quite obviously just a small injection of humour with no offence meant. | |||
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"Biggest mistake was allowing women to vote!! Who thought that up? you disgusting horrible old man who needs to have is WFA remove immediately
OMG, has everyone lost their sense of humour ffs???
No I thought it rather funny
I suppose the written word on its own can be taken the wrong way but who would imagine that comment was anything but meant as humour ?
It made me smile to be fair ... and quite obviously just a small injection of humour with no offence meant."It certainly stirred the WokeFlakes. | |||
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"I'd actually make it compulsory for anyone who's ellegible to vote, to actually vote. As far as I'm concerned if you didn't vote, then you have lost your right to complain about anything at all. I would agree, but wouldn’t make being on the register compulsory. It’s a major contributor to junk mail. The data bases now have proved to be weak and leaks are frequent. Given the choice I would not be on the Register. Being on the Electoral Register isn’t compulsory…you can chose not to be on it. Obviously if your not on it you can’t Vote ….and you forfit you right to complain / moan about any Government or Council decision as you have lost your chance to influence. You still have to pay the taxes imposed by those who get elected though …you never forfeit that particular bit of democracy "I thought it was compulsory to complete the yearly form accurately and hence go on electoral register? How do I request to come off it then? If it’s not compulsory? | |||
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"In Scotland you can marry at 16, so why not vote?" In Scotland you can vote at 16 | |||
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"It's an extremely foolish idea, brought to you by people who said Shamina Begum was an easily misled child who wasn't responsible for her actions at the same age." Good point But then people voted for trump. Twice! | |||
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"It's an extremely foolish idea, brought to you by people who said Shamina Begum was an easily misled child who wasn't responsible for her actions at the same age. Good point But then people voted for trump. Twice! " You have Donald to thank for stopping the Iranians making a nuclear bomb. No one else would have been as pragmatic. Respect the wishes of a democracy, not everyone has one | |||
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"Pathetic turn out by adults so I'm sure adolescents won't bother, those that do will go for the socialists, they offer everything for nothing - but not for long" .... ... 🏴 Is the Labour Party socialist? Or maybe you envisage them voting for Corbyn or the SWP? In terms of keeping the nasty party or the really nasty party out of Downing Street, will the numbers be enough to matter? | |||
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"I understood why the voting age was lowered in the 1970s, from 21 to 18. You could have been working and paying taxes for 5 years, yet not able to vote. By the time you eached 18 you could be married, have children and have a mortgage. You were an adult with responsibilities. 16 and 17 year olds are still at school, they may be bright and sensible but are they ready to make thoughtful and independent decisions on the future of the country. They are still children and have yet to experience life in the real world. Is lowering the voting age the correct policy?" No it's just vote rigging because starmer is on his way out and needs the votes #desperation | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named." Hear! Hear! A valid point! 👍👍👍 | |||
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"Let's be honest, the average 16 or 17 year old, is, at best, a twat." ... ... 🏴 That's a very unfair, unobjective comment 🏴 | |||
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"It's an extremely foolish idea, brought to you by people who said Shamina Begum was an easily misled child who wasn't responsible for her actions at the same age. Good point But then people voted for trump. Twice! You have Donald to thank for stopping the Iranians making a nuclear bomb. No one else would have been as pragmatic. Respect the wishes of a democracy, not everyone has one" But Trump is building an autocratic system by ignoring democracy… | |||
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"I didn't serve my country to allow teens to vote before I was 18 I couldn't buy a pint or lighter gas but I was allowed to hold a rifle and go and fight for this great country what the hell is this starmer twat doing ? " You served to stop 16 year olds voting? | |||
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"I can agree with the arguments from both sides. Come to a compromise..make it 17and we've got a deal. I sounded a bit like Trump then ! It would be the best deal ever. Ever. A most Beautiful Deal in fact "People are saying that they're not convinced that the orange, r@pist manbaby could stretch to words of three syllables. | |||
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"I understood why the voting age was lowered in the 1970s, from 21 to 18. You could have been working and paying taxes for 5 years, yet not able to vote. By the time you eached 18 you could be married, have children and have a mortgage. You were an adult with responsibilities. 16 and 17 year olds are still at school, they may be bright and sensible but are they ready to make thoughtful and independent decisions on the future of the country. They are still children and have yet to experience life in the real world. Is lowering the voting age the correct policy? I believe so, yes. Simply because they will be spending more adult years under the elected government than not, if voting at that age. There is no cut off age, so 16 and 17 year olds should have a say in their future. " That is still the case if the age is 18. Unless you think everyone is going to die at 36 in the future. | |||
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"I didn't serve my country to allow teens to vote before I was 18 I couldn't buy a pint or lighter gas but I was allowed to hold a rifle and go and fight for this great country what the hell is this starmer twat doing ? " And before you were 18 you wouldn't have been able to play Call of Duty - ironic | |||
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"The hatred toward the younger generation is shocking. I know fora can polarize opinion and the loudest voices get heard, generalisations rule etc. but whilst there are a bunch of not so great youth, the majority are fine and engaged. And remember….we are the family that raised them…" So therefore they should be treated as an engaged adult in all areas of the law. | |||
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"The hatred toward the younger generation is shocking. I know fora can polarize opinion and the loudest voices get heard, generalisations rule etc. but whilst there are a bunch of not so great youth, the majority are fine and engaged. And remember….we are the family that raised them… So therefore they should be treated as an engaged adult in all areas of the law." Not the centre of the debate, however the point is valid and goes to this nation not having a written constitution and making _aws as we go along, using precedence etc rather than an enshrined format and clear pathways & procedures where a cohesive base can be applied rather than 16 for this, 18 for that, 21 for that etc | |||
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"I didn't serve my country to allow teens to vote before I was 18 I couldn't buy a pint or lighter gas but I was allowed to hold a rifle and go and fight for this great country what the hell is this starmer twat doing ? " You were allowed to join the army before you were 18 but you could not actually go to fight until you were 18. | |||
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"The hatred toward the younger generation is shocking. I know fora can polarize opinion and the loudest voices get heard, generalisations rule etc. but whilst there are a bunch of not so great youth, the majority are fine and engaged. And remember….we are the family that raised them…" | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This
And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers.
And sit on a jury."You have to be 18 for jury service but the electoral rule will change that. Would you want a 16yo on a jury? | |||
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And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers.
And sit on a jury.
You have to be 18 for jury service but the electoral rule will change that. Would you want a 16yo on a jury?"Trust me, it’s not the young people who are worrying on juries. | |||
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"And the goriest never did that. Changing boundaries?" Not sure who the 'goriest' are. Boundary changed are recommended every so often by an independence commission. Populations fluctuate e.g. some areas it rises whereas in others it decreases. The last boundary change cost Wales 8 MPs and probably meant that 2 to 3 Conservative MPs, in Wales, lost their seats in 2024 as a result. | |||
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"If 16yr olds are able to make informed adult choices about who to vote for they must also be able to accept the if they commit crime they should accept adult punishment and be publicly named. This
And old enough to fight in the British army as junior soldiers.
And sit on a jury.
You have to be 18 for jury service but the electoral rule will change that. Would you want a 16yo on a jury?
Trust me, it’s not the young people who are worrying on juries.
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"Well said Neil " yeah. I agree with that comment. | |||
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"I can't buy booze but you allowing me to vote what does a 16 year old no about anything " I absolutely love that post. I genuinely cannot tell if it is ironic or not. Kudos. 😍 | |||
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"No, they shouldn't lower it. Most of the kids at that age are brainwashed into the wrong agenda. If you could give them the right to vote. They'll put the UK into a disastrous Position. I'm not saying all of them are indoctrinated, but a high percentage are. Just look at social media. And you could say, the news, but that's full of propaganda and shit. most of the politicians want that age group to vote because of social media programming. Get the sheep on our side. And we will win the vote." Mate you are one of the routinely least coherent people around yet you think others shouldn’t have what you have? Wild. | |||
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"No, they shouldn't lower it. Most of the kids at that age are brainwashed into the wrong agenda. If you could give them the right to vote. They'll put the UK into a disastrous Position. I'm not saying all of them are indoctrinated, but a high percentage are. Just look at social media. And you could say, the news, but that's full of propaganda and shit. most of the politicians want that age group to vote because of social media programming. Get the sheep on our side. And we will win the vote. Mate you are one of the routinely least coherent people around yet you think others shouldn’t have what you have? Wild. " try harder | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense going on in here. 16 has been the voting age in Scotland and Wales for years and the world hasn't ended. As for the Electoral Role, you can easily opt out of the pulic list which is the one available for sale. I'd rather voting be made compulsory with enforced fines, it's utterly ridiculous that elections can be decided on such low turnouts." Common sense. Applauds** Youth don't vote anyway. That's why they're rarely represented in manifestos. | |||
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"Don't know about the evidence not being very strong for those over 18 making sensible decisions. I think looking at what happened over the last 15+ years, the evidence is that they make non-sensible voting choices - and even more don't learn from it. So yes give the 16/17 years olds the right. They can marry, have children, serve in the armed forces and pay tax, so why shouldn't they have a say in who's 'governing' them and making decisions about their lives. " 16 and 17 year olds can't marry (even with parental consent) since 27th February 2023 when the Marriage and Civil Partnership (Minimum Age) Act 2022 came into force. It's an offence to cause a person under 18 to enter into a religious or civil ceremony, even if not legally binding, (such as forced arranged marriages). | |||
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"I could perhaps understand reducing the voting age to 17 to coincide with the driving age. Still think 16 too young. Would mean a lot of what we called 5th formers would be able to vote. Can't help but think Labour thought this would work in their favour but it may backfire on them. According to one poll I have seen, dear old Jezza Corbyn is the most popular politician amongst that age group. wonder why that old Clive Dunn song 'Grandad' keeps playing in the back of my mind "I agree Wildwesthero, Labour's proposal to lower the voting age to 16 was a calculated gamble, betting on capturing the youth vote. However, with the ever-shifting sands of politics, it's entirely possible that the landscape will change by the next election, and Labour might find themselves on the wrong end of it. Instead of reaping the benefits, they might end up alienating some voters or seeing other parties, like Reform, capitalise on the youth vote. Politics as ever is unpredictable, and this move might just backfire in a big way. | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70" | |||
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Personally I think voting needs to change with the times & technology- make it an illegal offence for not voting
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"If the 16 year olds ( as rightly pointed out above- are 12 now) can’t vote via an app - they won’t bother- might hurt their feelings
Personally I think voting needs to change with the times & technology- make it an illegal offence for not voting
It’s never a true representation of how we all sway if it’s optional "The act of choosing not to vote is just as democratic as voting. | |||
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"If the 16 year olds ( as rightly pointed out above- are 12 now) can’t vote via an app - they won’t bother- might hurt their feelings
Personally I think voting needs to change with the times & technology- make it an illegal offence for not voting
It’s never a true representation of how we all sway if it’s optional
The act of choosing not to vote is just as democratic as voting. "I’d love to see an election where nobody votes - then we can all watch those jumped up pricks in cheap suits wonder why they’re still there
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70" Say goodbye to your state pension then | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70" So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. | |||
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"I agree with them getting to vote. But maybe we should make voting compulsory if you look at turn outs only around 30% of the eligible voting population do. If 100% did then we would now that our government is what the population really want" And what they don’t want. It’s very rare a government get in with more than 50% of the vote. But that’s democracy. You accept the vote you might not agree with it. | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. " I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote " Democracy rights itself and makes mistakes. That’s the nature of it. | |||
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"If the 16 year olds ( as rightly pointed out above- are 12 now) can’t vote via an app - they won’t bother- might hurt their feelings
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It’s never a true representation of how we all sway if it’s optional "They could just vote at school while waiting for their cake and custard | |||
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"If the 16 year olds ( as rightly pointed out above- are 12 now) can’t vote via an app - they won’t bother- might hurt their feelings
Personally I think voting needs to change with the times & technology- make it an illegal offence for not voting
It’s never a true representation of how we all sway if it’s optional
They could just vote at school while waiting for their cake and custard "If they can fit it in - between the indoctrination & brainwashing | |||
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"If the 16 year olds ( as rightly pointed out above- are 12 now) can’t vote via an app - they won’t bother- might hurt their feelings
Personally I think voting needs to change with the times & technology- make it an illegal offence for not voting
It’s never a true representation of how we all sway if it’s optional
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote " but they’ve not paid enough into the system to get a voice yet ! 70 year olds have paid more than enough- they are the system & its failed them | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote but they’ve not paid enough into the system to get a voice yet ! 70 year olds have paid more than enough- they are the system & its failed them " And in doing so have ruined the lives for the younger generations, who will feel the effects for decades to come | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote but they’ve not paid enough into the system to get a voice yet ! 70 year olds have paid more than enough- they are the system & its failed them And in doing so have ruined the lives for the younger generations, who will feel the effects for decades to come " how have they ruined it ? At what age should we cut people off making decisions then? | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote but they’ve not paid enough into the system to get a voice yet ! 70 year olds have paid more than enough- they are the system & its failed them And in doing so have ruined the lives for the younger generations, who will feel the effects for decades to come how have they ruined it ? At what age should we cut people off making decisions then? " As I said in my original comment, if be happier giving 16 year olds the vote and stopping at 70 | |||
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"Hot take - I'd rather have 16 year olds being given the right to vote instead of people over 70 So you prefer the inexperienced people of life to the older generation who have more than 50 years life experience? Just wondering. I'd rather put the vote to people who are going to planning for the future. I hate to use the example of Brexit, but I feel the decision would have been a lot different had those who wanted 'the good old days' had the same rights as those who were 16 to vote but they’ve not paid enough into the system to get a voice yet ! 70 year olds have paid more than enough- they are the system & its failed them And in doing so have ruined the lives for the younger generations, who will feel the effects for decades to come how have they ruined it ? At what age should we cut people off making decisions then? As I said in my original comment, if be happier giving 16 year olds the vote and stopping at 70 " you also said 70 -year olds have ruined it If it must stop at 70 - then it should be relative to when they can start , surely? | |||
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