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"Watching Outrageous on Netflix, excellent series about the Mitford sisters and family and started to feel very uncomfortable and worried. Why? Because it features very strongly about Oswald Moseley and all I could think of was Farage. Dangerous times??" Do yur homework, there is very little to associate Farage with Oswold Mosely | |||
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"ARTICLE I have read.... Like Mosley, Farage is a skilled nationalist agitator who contends that a timeless and contented Britishness and way of life must be defended against aliens who threaten it. Like Mosley, Farage comes from a privileged background, yet claims to be the voice of the masses. Like Mosley, Farage blames particular groups of people for Britain’s social and economic ills. Like Mosley, Farage advocates British isolationism – hence his championing of Brexit. Like Mosley, Farage presents himself as a fearless teller of truths about the country that the political establishment conceals. His baseless speculation that “the truth” about the suspect for the child-killings in Southport was “being withheld from us” is a good example. Of course, there are differences too, some of them reflecting today’s very different world. For example, although Farage barks and struts as if dreaming of becoming a martial “strongman” ruler, he hasn’t set up an equivalent to Mosley’s paramilitaries. Mind you, the gangs of thugs who’ve been smashing things up, assaulting police and attacking people they don’t like in various parts of England (and also in Belfast) in recent days, some of them proclaiming, as Farage does, “I want my country back”, have done much the same job as Mosley’s mob, except their targets have been Muslims and asylum-seekers rather than just Jews." While both Mosley and Farage have used nationalist and populist rhetoric, there are significant differences between them. Mosley was a key figure in the 1930s, promoting fascist and anti-Semitic ideas. Farage, on the other hand, operates in a modern context where politics is shaped by democratic rules and institutions. Mosley's movement was built around fascist and anti-Semitic ideologies, whereas Farage's platform focuses on Euroscepticism and Brexit. These issues have appealed to a wide range of people in the UK. Farage's words can be divisive, but they don't promote violence or fascism like Mosley's did. Mosley's actions led to a period of extreme violence and racism in the UK. Farage, while influential in the Brexit debate, has worked within the democratic system. The recent violence seen in protests can't be directly linked to Farage's leadership like Mosley's violence was to his followers. Farage's words can be inflammatory, but they're different from Mosley's approach of organising paramilitary groups and promoting violence against specific groups. This highlights that while both figures have used nationalist rhetoric, their actions and impact are quite different. | |||
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"Farage learnt a lot from mosley and so has managed to be a bit more savvy at working withing democracy. Becoming an mep and then taking the money, doing no work but fixing to get Britain out of the eu. What makes you think he's not attempting to become pm to ruin democracy in this country. Yes he did have a hand in the riots last summer by suggesting that the murderers nationality was being hidden. Now leading for police to name the nationality of all offenders. Pure nationalism, pretty much what mosley was doing. I'm looking forward to watching the series to just see what so called patriots have always been capable of." Comparing Farage to Mosley totally oversimplifies modern politics. Farage's actions and words have been divisive, but he's worked within democratic institutions. As an MEP, he used his platform to advocate for Brexit, a policy decided by the British public in a democratic vote. The notion that Farage wants to become PM to ruin democracy is speculative and lacks evidence. Farage's focus has been on achieving Brexit and reclaiming British Sovereignty not dismantling democracy. Regarding the riots, Farage's comments on the murderer's nationality may have added to the tension, but blaming him directly for the violence is a stretch. Disclosing the nationality of offenders is a matter of public record and policing policy. The comparison to Mosley ignores the different historical contexts. Mosley's ideology was fascist and violent, whereas Farage operates within democratic norms, even if he sometimes pushes their limits. Judging Farage's intentions requires understanding his actions within the democratic framework, rather than drawing direct comparisons to historical figures like Mosley. | |||
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"ARTICLE I have read.... Like Mosley, Farage is a skilled nationalist agitator who contends that a timeless and contented Britishness and way of life must be defended against aliens who threaten it. Like Mosley, Farage comes from a privileged background, yet claims to be the voice of the masses. Like Mosley, Farage blames particular groups of people for Britain’s social and economic ills. Like Mosley, Farage advocates British isolationism – hence his championing of Brexit. Like Mosley, Farage presents himself as a fearless teller of truths about the country that the political establishment conceals. His baseless speculation that “the truth” about the suspect for the child-killings in Southport was “being withheld from us” is a good example. Of course, there are differences too, some of them reflecting today’s very different world. For example, although Farage barks and struts as if dreaming of becoming a martial “strongman” ruler, he hasn’t set up an equivalent to Mosley’s paramilitaries. Mind you, the gangs of thugs who’ve been smashing things up, assaulting police and attacking people they don’t like in various parts of England (and also in Belfast) in recent days, some of them proclaiming, as Farage does, “I want my country back”, have done much the same job as Mosley’s mob, except their targets have been Muslims and asylum-seekers rather than just Jews. While both Mosley and Farage have used nationalist and populist rhetoric, there are significant differences between them. Mosley was a key figure in the 1930s, promoting fascist and anti-Semitic ideas. Farage, on the other hand, operates in a modern context where politics is shaped by democratic rules and institutions. Mosley's movement was built around fascist and anti-Semitic ideologies, whereas Farage's platform focuses on Euroscepticism and Brexit. These issues have appealed to a wide range of people in the UK. Farage's words can be divisive, but they don't promote violence or fascism like Mosley's did. Mosley's actions led to a period of extreme violence and racism in the UK. Farage, while influential in the Brexit debate, has worked within the democratic system. The recent violence seen in protests can't be directly linked to Farage's leadership like Mosley's violence was to his followers. Farage's words can be inflammatory, but they're different from Mosley's approach of organising paramilitary groups and promoting violence against specific groups. This highlights that while both figures have used nationalist rhetoric, their actions and impact are quite different." We have a reform youth movement. We have sky blue shirts with Farages name on them. We have organised targeted protests with a set group of individual groups who co-operate with each other nationally. They will all use reform to gain traction. We have stste sponsored bots that are everywhere on political and local community groups on facebook. Your naievity is astounding. | |||
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"Watching Outrageous on Netflix, excellent series about the Mitford sisters and family and started to feel very uncomfortable and worried. Why? Because it features very strongly about Oswald Moseley and all I could think of was Farage. Dangerous times??" You need to wobble your head | |||
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"ARTICLE I have read.... Like Mosley, Farage is a skilled nationalist agitator who contends that a timeless and contented Britishness and way of life must be defended against aliens who threaten it. Like Mosley, Farage comes from a privileged background, yet claims to be the voice of the masses. Like Mosley, Farage blames particular groups of people for Britain’s social and economic ills. Like Mosley, Farage advocates British isolationism – hence his championing of Brexit. Like Mosley, Farage presents himself as a fearless teller of truths about the country that the political establishment conceals. His baseless speculation that “the truth” about the suspect for the child-killings in Southport was “being withheld from us” is a good example. Of course, there are differences too, some of them reflecting today’s very different world. For example, although Farage barks and struts as if dreaming of becoming a martial “strongman” ruler, he hasn’t set up an equivalent to Mosley’s paramilitaries. Mind you, the gangs of thugs who’ve been smashing things up, assaulting police and attacking people they don’t like in various parts of England (and also in Belfast) in recent days, some of them proclaiming, as Farage does, “I want my country back”, have done much the same job as Mosley’s mob, except their targets have been Muslims and asylum-seekers rather than just Jews. While both Mosley and Farage have used nationalist and populist rhetoric, there are significant differences between them. Mosley was a key figure in the 1930s, promoting fascist and anti-Semitic ideas. Farage, on the other hand, operates in a modern context where politics is shaped by democratic rules and institutions. Mosley's movement was built around fascist and anti-Semitic ideologies, whereas Farage's platform focuses on Euroscepticism and Brexit. These issues have appealed to a wide range of people in the UK. Farage's words can be divisive, but they don't promote violence or fascism like Mosley's did. Mosley's actions led to a period of extreme violence and racism in the UK. Farage, while influential in the Brexit debate, has worked within the democratic system. The recent violence seen in protests can't be directly linked to Farage's leadership like Mosley's violence was to his followers. Farage's words can be inflammatory, but they're different from Mosley's approach of organising paramilitary groups and promoting violence against specific groups. This highlights that while both figures have used nationalist rhetoric, their actions and impact are quite different. We have a reform youth movement. We have sky blue shirts with Farages name on them. We have organised targeted protests with a set group of individual groups who co-operate with each other nationally. They will all use reform to gain traction. We have stste sponsored bots that are everywhere on political and local community groups on facebook. Your naievity is astounding." While it is concerning to see organised efforts that could be perceived as divisive or manipulative, it's essential to differentiate between grassroots support and orchestrated movements. The existence of a youth movement with branded merchandise doesn't necessarily imply a sinister agenda. Targeted protests and coordinated efforts can be a sign of effective organisation, but they don't inherently prove an attempt to manipulate public opinion. Social media bots can be problematic, but it's crucial to verify the extent of their influence and whether they're genuinely state-sponsored. It's also worth considering alternative explanations for these phenomena, such as genuine enthusiasm for a political cause or effective marketing. Without concrete evidence of manipulation or wrongdoing, it's premature to make definitive claims about the nature of these efforts. Moreover, assuming the worst about an organisation or its supporters can lead to polarisation and further division. Focusing on fact-based discussions and respectful disagreement devoid of feeble personal attacks is far more productive in understanding the complexities of modern politics! | |||
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"ARTICLE I have read.... Like Mosley, Farage is a skilled nationalist agitator who contends that a timeless and contented Britishness and way of life must be defended against aliens who threaten it. Like Mosley, Farage comes from a privileged background, yet claims to be the voice of the masses. Like Mosley, Farage blames particular groups of people for Britain’s social and economic ills. Like Mosley, Farage advocates British isolationism – hence his championing of Brexit. Like Mosley, Farage presents himself as a fearless teller of truths about the country that the political establishment conceals. His baseless speculation that “the truth” about the suspect for the child-killings in Southport was “being withheld from us” is a good example. Of course, there are differences too, some of them reflecting today’s very different world. For example, although Farage barks and struts as if dreaming of becoming a martial “strongman” ruler, he hasn’t set up an equivalent to Mosley’s paramilitaries. Mind you, the gangs of thugs who’ve been smashing things up, assaulting police and attacking people they don’t like in various parts of England (and also in Belfast) in recent days, some of them proclaiming, as Farage does, “I want my country back”, have done much the same job as Mosley’s mob, except their targets have been Muslims and asylum-seekers rather than just Jews. While both Mosley and Farage have used nationalist and populist rhetoric, there are significant differences between them. Mosley was a key figure in the 1930s, promoting fascist and anti-Semitic ideas. Farage, on the other hand, operates in a modern context where politics is shaped by democratic rules and institutions. Mosley's movement was built around fascist and anti-Semitic ideologies, whereas Farage's platform focuses on Euroscepticism and Brexit. These issues have appealed to a wide range of people in the UK. Farage's words can be divisive, but they don't promote violence or fascism like Mosley's did. Mosley's actions led to a period of extreme violence and racism in the UK. Farage, while influential in the Brexit debate, has worked within the democratic system. The recent violence seen in protests can't be directly linked to Farage's leadership like Mosley's violence was to his followers. Farage's words can be inflammatory, but they're different from Mosley's approach of organising paramilitary groups and promoting violence against specific groups. This highlights that while both figures have used nationalist rhetoric, their actions and impact are quite different. We have a reform youth movement. We have sky blue shirts with Farages name on them. We have organised targeted protests with a set group of individual groups who co-operate with each other nationally. They will all use reform to gain traction. We have stste sponsored bots that are everywhere on political and local community groups on facebook. Your naievity is astounding. While it is concerning to see organised efforts that could be perceived as divisive or manipulative, it's essential to differentiate between grassroots support and orchestrated movements. The existence of a youth movement with branded merchandise doesn't necessarily imply a sinister agenda. Targeted protests and coordinated efforts can be a sign of effective organisation, but they don't inherently prove an attempt to manipulate public opinion. Social media bots can be problematic, but it's crucial to verify the extent of their influence and whether they're genuinely state-sponsored. It's also worth considering alternative explanations for these phenomena, such as genuine enthusiasm for a political cause or effective marketing. Without concrete evidence of manipulation or wrongdoing, it's premature to make definitive claims about the nature of these efforts. Moreover, assuming the worst about an organisation or its supporters can lead to polarisation and further division. Focusing on fact-based discussions and respectful disagreement devoid of feeble personal attacks is far more productive in understanding the complexities of modern politics!" Mosely was a Fascist. Farage is a proper Tory, like Thatcher. To equate Misely and Farage is lunacy and shows a oerson has no understanding. | |||
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"Watching Outrageous on Netflix, excellent series about the Mitford sisters and family and started to feel very uncomfortable and worried. Why? Because it features very strongly about Oswald Moseley and all I could think of was Farage. Dangerous times?? You need to wobble your head " Don't be rude. I'm just saying how I was feeling whilst watching the series. | |||
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"You keep putting your hand up to be gaslighted. I am not going to let apologists for him go unanswered." Personal attacks and the labelling of someone as an "apologist" isn't a constructive way to engage in a discussion. It's possible to critically evaluate Farage's actions and policies without resorting to inflammatory language or assumptions about others' motivations. Focusing on fact-based analysis and respectful disagreement might lead to a more productive conversation! | |||
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"Normally, I would agree. You obviously don't spend time in their environment. It's an unbelievable cesspit of hate." Making sweeping generalisations about an entire group or environment can be counterproductive. It's unlikely that every individual within a particular group or environment embodies the same characteristics. | |||
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"Just go to any reform Facebook page, then come back to me and tell me you still feel that way." Facebook as an accurate reflection? | |||
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"Just go to any reform Facebook page, then come back to me and tell me you still feel that way. Facebook as an accurate reflection? " | |||
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"Just go to any reform Facebook page, then come back to me and tell me you still feel that way. Facebook as an accurate reflection? " Its where they operate best. Bots and the general public. Where else can you get to so many people ? They hit all the local town groups too. Yes, it is an extremely accurate reflection. | |||
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"ARTICLE I have read.... Like Mosley, Farage is a skilled nationalist agitator who contends that a timeless and contented Britishness and way of life must be defended against aliens who threaten it. Like Mosley, Farage comes from a privileged background, yet claims to be the voice of the masses. Like Mosley, Farage blames particular groups of people for Britain’s social and economic ills. Like Mosley, Farage advocates British isolationism – hence his championing of Brexit. Like Mosley, Farage presents himself as a fearless teller of truths about the country that the political establishment conceals. His baseless speculation that “the truth” about the suspect for the child-killings in Southport was “being withheld from us” is a good example. Of course, there are differences too, some of them reflecting today’s very different world. For example, although Farage barks and struts as if dreaming of becoming a martial “strongman” ruler, he hasn’t set up an equivalent to Mosley’s paramilitaries. Mind you, the gangs of thugs who’ve been smashing things up, assaulting police and attacking people they don’t like in various parts of England (and also in Belfast) in recent days, some of them proclaiming, as Farage does, “I want my country back”, have done much the same job as Mosley’s mob, except their targets have been Muslims and asylum-seekers rather than just Jews. While both Mosley and Farage have used nationalist and populist rhetoric, there are significant differences between them. Mosley was a key figure in the 1930s, promoting fascist and anti-Semitic ideas. Farage, on the other hand, operates in a modern context where politics is shaped by democratic rules and institutions. Mosley's movement was built around fascist and anti-Semitic ideologies, whereas Farage's platform focuses on Euroscepticism and Brexit. These issues have appealed to a wide range of people in the UK. Farage's words can be divisive, but they don't promote violence or fascism like Mosley's did. Mosley's actions led to a period of extreme violence and racism in the UK. Farage, while influential in the Brexit debate, has worked within the democratic system. The recent violence seen in protests can't be directly linked to Farage's leadership like Mosley's violence was to his followers. Farage's words can be inflammatory, but they're different from Mosley's approach of organising paramilitary groups and promoting violence against specific groups. This highlights that while both figures have used nationalist rhetoric, their actions and impact are quite different." Nice to have the facts spelt out but you will be lucky to change the minds of the polemicist lefty haters. | |||
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"The only difference between Farage and Mosely is that wearing a Political Uniform is now illegal ( Public Order Act 1936 ). Unfortunately, that had the side effect of making the BUF and their subsequent cronies seem more normal. " That's nonsense, a whole list of significant differences between Farage an Mosely appear in this thread. | |||
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"This country could do with a right wing dictator!" Especially if you enjoy wearing pink triangles | |||
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