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"If we just all agreed to disagree, or just let things go by that we don't agree with - what kind of society would we become?" More respectful towards each other Years ago guys would say he’s a decent bloke for a Tory or Man U supporter etc | |||
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"If we just all agreed to disagree, or just let things go by that we don't agree with - what kind of society would we become? More respectful towards each other Years ago guys would say he’s a decent bloke for a Tory or Man U supporter etc " I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one - I think we'd become a society of bullies and mob rule | |||
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"On a forum all you really see is somebody's naked opinion, you can never know the full person. " That's very insightful- I'm to try and use that  | |||
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"Throwing the ists or the isms just shows that they are incapable of debating. As soon as someone relies on personal insults, they have lost the argument. We have a big problem with ideological tribalism. All of the media outlets seem to have dropped intelligent debate and replaced it with 6 people on screen shouting over each other, further normalising low-information mud-slinging. " Hang on a minute, you are the first to throw insults around, you do it all the time when someone makes a point that you can't disagree with, you're horrendous to some people on here! | |||
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"On a forum all you really see is somebody's naked opinion, you can never know the full person. I'm a proud leftie and woke to boot, but I know and work with Tory and even Reform supporters, even like some of them personally as nobody's two-dimensional. Sure some of the crap they spout boils my piss, but when it's in person one tends to moderate the responses. I'll still try to have a reasoned argument and put the other point of view across, but not get into a slanging match. Online of course the rules of civility and personal decency that hold society together don't apply. What's disturbing is how much the online wild west lack of rules is creeping into flesh and blood society and real lives. My wife's a secondary teacher and sees this every fucking day, teenagers who think their TikToks are society. " So their conservative right leaning views are crap! They may think the same about the lefty crap you spout, so it goes both ways. So the OP original point is agree to disagree! | |||
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"During debates discussions etc The common phrase was agree to disagree Now all we hear is an ist or ism which effectively closes down a discussion for fear of being labelled Don’t you think its why everything is so toxic and where we are now at in terms of pride trans asylum seekers politics etc " It's interesting to note how discussions have changed over time. We used to be able to agree to disagree, but now it feels like labelling and shaming have become more prevalent. When people worry about being slapped with an "ism" or having their views dismissed, it can really stifle open and honest conversation. This can have a ripple effect, impacting all sorts of topics from politics to social issues. I've also noticed that some people, despite being very capable, often rely on strong language and expletives to make their point. But this approach can actually undermine their message, making them seem less articulate or in control. Maybe that's just another one of those things we'll have to agree to disagree on! | |||
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"Throwing the ists or the isms just shows that they are incapable of debating. As soon as someone relies on personal insults, they have lost the argument. We have a big problem with ideological tribalism. All of the media outlets seem to have dropped intelligent debate and replaced it with 6 people on screen shouting over each other, further normalising low-information mud-slinging. Hang on a minute, you are the first to throw insults around, you do it all the time when someone makes a point that you can't disagree with, you're horrendous to some people on here! " If six separate people disagree with you, maybe it's time for some introspection.  | |||
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"Throwing the ists or the isms just shows that they are incapable of debating. As soon as someone relies on personal insults, they have lost the argument. We have a big problem with ideological tribalism. All of the media outlets seem to have dropped intelligent debate and replaced it with 6 people on screen shouting over each other, further normalising low-information mud-slinging. Hang on a minute, you are the first to throw insults around, you do it all the time when someone makes a point that you can't disagree with, you're horrendous to some people on here! If six separate people disagree with you, maybe it's time for some introspection. "Nope, people disagreeing makes no difference to a thing that is true, it's just people being petty and spiteful. This forum is like a pissing contest for a few characters that get a kick out of verbally beating people up, it's disgusting. | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with" Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong?" Combined with a 'knowledge' based on a tweet or whatever is trending, swallowed and believed without question or any independent investigation. | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? Combined with a 'knowledge' based on a tweet or whatever is trending, swallowed and believed without question or any independent investigation. " Don’t think this is a generational thing, plenty of older men in these forums throw buzz words out when you disagree with them, even if you send sources and facts. An example being the Lucy Connolly thread, a guy who was 70 said she didn’t commit any crime, I cited the crime and what law she broke, and the fact she pleaded guilty, he then called me a woke leftist in my messages. Isn’t a generational thing at all. | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? Combined with a 'knowledge' based on a tweet or whatever is trending, swallowed and believed without question or any independent investigation. Don’t think this is a generational thing, plenty of older men in these forums throw buzz words out when you disagree with them, even if you send sources and facts. An example being the Lucy Connolly thread, a guy who was 70 said she didn’t commit any crime, I cited the crime and what law she broke, and the fact she pleaded guilty, he then called me a woke leftist in my messages. Isn’t a generational thing at all. " Yes more of a social media/ online generation thing, rather than an age thing. People would act more courteously if meeting IRL whatever their age. | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? Combined with a 'knowledge' based on a tweet or whatever is trending, swallowed and believed without question or any independent investigation. Don’t think this is a generational thing, plenty of older men in these forums throw buzz words out when you disagree with them, even if you send sources and facts. An example being the Lucy Connolly thread, a guy who was 70 said she didn’t commit any crime, I cited the crime and what law she broke, and the fact she pleaded guilty, he then called me a woke leftist in my messages. Isn’t a generational thing at all. Yes more of a social media/ online generation thing, rather than an age thing. People would act more courteously if meeting IRL whatever their age. " Yeah for sure, during my masters degree we had a lot of debate classes, the debates were actually source based and people were respectful, whereas on here or the internet in general, people become very nasty towards one another. | |||
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" Yeah for sure, during my masters degree we had a lot of debate classes, the debates were actually source based and people were respectful, whereas on here or the internet in general, people become very nasty towards one another. " Formal debating is a very useful skill, it should be compulsory, and taught in all schools. | |||
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"In this country we can still hold opinions which differ, as long as we are respectful. If we don't understand how valuable that is, just try going to a country which will punish you for religious views you express. I never ever want that here. If the price is to listen to people you disagree with, then fine." You make a good point. However a line has to be drawn about freedom of expression e.g. "I think there are too many people from other countries coming to the UK", which is acceptable even if sufficient people think it to elect a large number of Reform MPs. Overtly racist thuggery and incitement to violence and death to immigrants such as what Lucy Connolly got rightly done for and which Tommy fucking Yaxley Lennon keeps evading just actually smacks of those very countries you complain about though. Let it go far enough and we could easily have a christo-fascist state. It doesn't take much to make a concerned person into a raving gammon. | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong?" Bloody everything unfortunately  | |||
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" Yeah for sure, during my masters degree we had a lot of debate classes, the debates were actually source based and people were respectful, whereas on here or the internet in general, people become very nasty towards one another. Formal debating is a very useful skill, it should be compulsory, and taught in all schools. " 100% agree with that | |||
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"An entire generation are puzzled by the idea that anyone has the right to say things they don't agree with Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong?" I think you make a valid point | |||
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"In this country we can still hold opinions which differ, as long as we are respectful. If we don't understand how valuable that is, just try going to a country which will punish you for religious views you express. I never ever want that here. If the price is to listen to people you disagree with, then fine. You make a good point. However a line has to be drawn about freedom of expression e.g. "I think there are too many people from other countries coming to the UK", which is acceptable even if sufficient people think it to elect a large number of Reform MPs. Overtly racist thuggery and incitement to violence and death to immigrants such as what Lucy Connolly got rightly done for and which Tommy fucking Yaxley Lennon keeps evading just actually smacks of those very countries you complain about though. Let it go far enough and we could easily have a christo-fascist state. It doesn't take much to make a concerned person into a raving gammon. " Threatening to harm needs to be dealt with in correct manner but also in context How many times did your dad say I’m gonna kill you ? Did he ever end up in Parkhurst? Honest debate has been closed down from the top Remember Gordon Brown slagging that woman off camera ? | |||
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"How many times did your dad say I’m gonna kill you ? Did he ever end up in Parkhurst?" Again false equivalence and whataboutery. My dad a) didn't and b) even if he had, wasn't broadcasting it to thousands of followers looking for any excuse to beat me up. | |||
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" Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong?" Said every older generation about the younger generation ever since humans began. And every time they said “yea but that generation is especially bad for (insert reason here)” And it will happen to that generation as they start to wane in social relevance too. We just need the self awareness to understand what we think about each other is not unique, it happened before and will happen again. It’s us, not them. Although, yea, this time it’s different…🤣 | |||
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"It's just like a load of blokes in a bar having verbal. .....only with their cocks hanging out." You must drink it classier bars than me if that is the differentiating factor for you. 😂 | |||
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" Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? Said every older generation about the younger generation ever since humans began. And every time they said “yea but that generation is especially bad for (insert reason here)” And it will happen to that generation as they start to wane in social relevance too. We just need the self awareness to understand what we think about each other is not unique, it happened before and will happen again. It’s us, not them. Although, yea, this time it’s different…🤣" Self awareness you say?! Arrogant, condescending and ignorant. But that's okay because your wife does mindfulness. | |||
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"If we just all agreed to disagree, or just let things go by that we don't agree with - what kind of society would we become?" Thanks for your input. I'll be sure to consider it, right after I finish ignoring it | |||
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" … Self awareness you say?! Arrogant, condescending and ignorant. But that's okay because your wife does mindfulness... " It’s almost as if mindful meditation hasn’t given you inner calm at all. | |||
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" … Self awareness you say?! Arrogant, condescending and ignorant. But that's okay because your wife does mindfulness... It’s almost as if mindful meditation hasn’t given you inner calm at all. " All hail the gatekeeper, no one shall post. Just stop being a prat and let others post. | |||
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" Brought up wrapped in cotton wool, rarely told "no", surrounded by those who agree with them. Then unleashed into the wild. What could possibly go wrong? Said every older generation about the younger generation ever since humans began. And every time they said “yea but that generation is especially bad for (insert reason here)” And it will happen to that generation as they start to wane in social relevance too. We just need the self awareness to understand what we think about each other is not unique, it happened before and will happen again. It’s us, not them. Although, yea, this time it’s different…🤣 Self awareness you say?! Arrogant, condescending and ignorant. But that's okay because your wife does mindfulness. " If you have an argument against what I said, please feel free to present it. Otherwise, carry on deflecting with ad hominem. | |||
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