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"As much as I approve the sentiment, the fact is nothing will change the minds of the medieval fucks that run the country. " I'm not advocating war but the Taliban were removed once before, weren't they. | |||
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"According to some we'll be like that in about 5 years time" I seriously doubt that. I know the UK can be a little backwards at times but we have evolved to a lot more than that and many women I know would definitely not let that happen. Now back on subject: These women face terrible oppression, treated worse than pets. If we wouldn't want to be in that position ourselves then how can we go about ignoring this. Something needs to be done. | |||
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"We should invade and get rid of the Taliban. What could possibly go wrong?" That's been done before at great cost to the US and the UK. Many lives were lost. And now it seems it was all for nothing because the Taliban are back in control and in the last 4 years since women have been living under tyrannical oppression. If the Taliban are left unchecked who knows what they will do. If they war or invade what will become of their occupied territory? Will we do something about them then? Honestly I think we could do without another war atm but the Talibans regime can not be left to fester. These women need our help. If we can't remove the Taliban then we must find other ways of helping. | |||
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"We should invade and get rid of the Taliban. What could possibly go wrong? That's been done before at great cost to the US and the UK. Many lives were lost. And now it seems it was all for nothing because the Taliban are back in control and in the last 4 years since women have been living under tyrannical oppression. If the Taliban are left unchecked who knows what they will do. If they war or invade what will become of their occupied territory? Will we do something about them then? Honestly I think we could do without another war atm but the Talibans regime can not be left to fester. These women need our help. If we can't remove the Taliban then we must find other ways of helping." You forgot that the Russians tried it 1979 to 1989 And Britain invaded twice in the 1800’s. | |||
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"We should invade and get rid of the Taliban. What could possibly go wrong? That's been done before at great cost to the US and the UK. Many lives were lost. And now it seems it was all for nothing because the Taliban are back in control and in the last 4 years since women have been living under tyrannical oppression. If the Taliban are left unchecked who knows what they will do. If they war or invade what will become of their occupied territory? Will we do something about them then? Honestly I think we could do without another war atm but the Talibans regime can not be left to fester. These women need our help. If we can't remove the Taliban then we must find other ways of helping. You forgot that the Russians tried it 1979 to 1989 And Britain invaded twice in the 1800’s." Then maybe we shouldn't try again. But I'm sure other things can be done. | |||
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"As much as I approve the sentiment, the fact is nothing will change the minds of the medieval fucks that run the country. I'm not advocating war but the Taliban were removed once before, weren't they." They were briefly sidelined, but at what cost? The only people who can resolve this are the Afghan people themselves. | |||
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"There's a few on here who like to dress for a man, do what the men want them to, hopefully they'd be welcome in Kabul " And a few for whom a burka would be a sensible choice.  | |||
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"But I'm sure other things can be done." Best thing any western government can do for Afghan women is assisted travel, unlimited visas and a freedom train. Leave the mullahs with no women to oppress. | |||
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"Females in the Catholic church?" Yes there are lots of them. But none can be ordained. | |||
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"Females in the Catholic church?" Choirboys in wigs trying to avoid the priests | |||
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"In the last 4 years since the Taliban have taken control of Afghanistan.. Afghani women are treated like prisoners, they can not apply for most jobs, they can not go to certain public places, they can not visit a male doctor without being accompanied and they can not even train as a midwife or study medicine. They are not allowed to study at secondary school and beyond. They are not even allowed to speak in public. I could be wrong about this but I have read that they are not allowed to have windows in their homes now either. They are also forbidden to be alone with other women without a male present. How can we let this continue!? These women are treated worse than dog shite on your shoes. The Taliban need to be removed. We need to help these women escape this atrocious oppression. You can also help by: Raising awareness posting to sites about the treatment Afghan women are subjected to. Donating to charities like Women for Women International, UN Women, Women for Afghan Women (WAW) Advocating for women's rights and gender equality through political action. Please don't let this continue. " Although the Taliban have taken it to a new level, women have always been treated with the utmost contempt in that country and there is nothing Western society can do to ever change centuries of entrenched barbarism towards them. This is especially so in rural communities where old habits die very hard indeed. Women did enjoy a brief period of relative freedom in the 50s, 60s and 70s when the country was still a Monarchy and became relatively free-thinking, certainly in Kabul and some of the cities. It was even a tourist destination and part of the 'Hippy Trail' and some Afghan women wore Western clothing. But once the Monarchy was done away with and the mullahs regained their grip they reverted to type. Being born a female in that country is a curse. | |||
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"In the last 4 years since the Taliban have taken control of Afghanistan.. Afghani women are treated like prisoners, they can not apply for most jobs, they can not go to certain public places, they can not visit a male doctor without being accompanied and they can not even train as a midwife or study medicine. They are not allowed to study at secondary school and beyond. They are not even allowed to speak in public. I could be wrong about this but I have read that they are not allowed to have windows in their homes now either. They are also forbidden to be alone with other women without a male present. How can we let this continue!? These women are treated worse than dog shite on your shoes. The Taliban need to be removed. We need to help these women escape this atrocious oppression. You can also help by: Raising awareness posting to sites about the treatment Afghan women are subjected to. Donating to charities like Women for Women International, UN Women, Women for Afghan Women (WAW) Advocating for women's rights and gender equality through political action. Please don't let this continue. Although the Taliban have taken it to a new level, women have always been treated with the utmost contempt in that country and there is nothing Western society can do to ever change centuries of entrenched barbarism towards them. This is especially so in rural communities where old habits die very hard indeed. Women did enjoy a brief period of relative freedom in the 50s, 60s and 70s when the country was still a Monarchy and became relatively free-thinking, certainly in Kabul and some of the cities. It was even a tourist destination and part of the 'Hippy Trail' and some Afghan women wore Western clothing. But once the Monarchy was done away with and the mullahs regained their grip they reverted to type. Being born a female in that country is a curse." Very eloquently put but.. Homosexuality was criminalised and homosexuals were treated with contempt for some time in the UK so that doesn't mean things can not change for Afghan women. Always promote gender equality and women's rights no matter where you are and maybe we can change some minds.  | |||
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"According to some we'll be like that in about 5 years time I seriously doubt that. I know the UK can be a little backwards at times but we have evolved to a lot more than that and many women I know would definitely not let that happen." I hate to break it to you but that's how it is in many households in the up right now... You might be shocked but it is. | |||
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"It's not just Afghan women. I was watching Black Belt Barrister yesterday discussing the Epping bell hotel boat migrant who was at the centre of the recent disturbance. He was found guilty of 5 charges of sexual acts against 2 women, one a child of 14. The judge commented that the man showed no remorse or even understanding of why his actions were wrong. Without acceptance there is very little hope of any rehab. UK women deserve protection too." He was prosecuted and jailed under English law though, so I don't see your point. | |||
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"It's not just Afghan women. I was watching Black Belt Barrister yesterday discussing the Epping bell hotel boat migrant who was at the centre of the recent disturbance. He was found guilty of 5 charges of sexual acts against 2 women, one a child of 14. The judge commented that the man showed no remorse or even understanding of why his actions were wrong. Without acceptance there is very little hope of any rehab. UK women deserve protection too." Why would he show remorse if in his country females are often married at 14. | |||
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"The sad fact, as has been stated above, is that some countries have simply not evolved past medieval. As much as we might want to impose a pleasant modern liberal mindset upon them it ain't gonna happen. Not while they have theocratic governments, and hard power, military strategies don't work either. You cannot impose liberalism and modernity, it has to grow from within when the greater society sees its advantages and gets rid of outdated concepts. " Blimey. We agree 👍 | |||
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"In the last 4 years since the Taliban have taken control of Afghanistan.. Afghani women are treated like prisoners, they can not apply for most jobs, they can not go to certain public places, they can not visit a male doctor without being accompanied and they can not even train as a midwife or study medicine. They are not allowed to study at secondary school and beyond. They are not even allowed to speak in public. I could be wrong about this but I have read that they are not allowed to have windows in their homes now either. They are also forbidden to be alone with other women without a male present. How can we let this continue!? These women are treated worse than dog shite on your shoes. The Taliban need to be removed. We need to help these women escape this atrocious oppression. You can also help by: Raising awareness posting to sites about the treatment Afghan women are subjected to. Donating to charities like Women for Women International, UN Women, Women for Afghan Women (WAW) Advocating for women's rights and gender equality through political action. Please don't let this continue. " Sadly we’ve tried to get rid of them and failed. Until the Afghan people rise up and throw them out it’s a waste of time and resources trying to do it ourselves. All we can do is encourage and arm a local resistance movement if one exists. But it seems we’re not even willing to do that. | |||
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"The sad fact, as has been stated above, is that some countries have simply not evolved past medieval. As much as we might want to impose a pleasant modern liberal mindset upon them it ain't gonna happen. Not while they have theocratic governments, and hard power, military strategies don't work either. You cannot impose liberalism and modernity, it has to grow from within when the greater society sees its advantages and gets rid of outdated concepts. Blimey. We agree 👍 " It's not so difficult. While I am by nature a total western progressive liberal and all about freedom of everything: sexuality, religion, speech (up to a point) all that has to happen within the framework of the laws of the land and the greater good of society. We are very fortunate to live in what is the world's oldest and most mature democracy. We hammered all this stuff out centuries ago although some of it was worked out in the last 100 years or so (women's votes etc) and some far more recently (gay rights). Even as a devout liberal it's not hard for me to look at backwards medieval theocracies and shake my head and wonder why the fuck they haven't woken up to benefits of largely equal rights for all their people. It betters everyone ultimately. It's why the backwards slide in rightwing countries, even supposed shining cities on the hill like the USA bothers me. If the US went full on Christo-Fascist, denied women bodily autonomy and chained them back to the kitchen sink, what exactly would differentiate it from Saudi Arabia, Iran or Afghanistan? Fucking nothing, that's what. | |||
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"Females in the Catholic church?" Called Nunrry ran by a reverend mother superior | |||
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"Females in the Catholic church? Choirboys in wigs trying to avoid the priests" Church of England choirboy, church of Rome aka catholic church alterboys | |||
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"Females in the Catholic church? Called Nunrry ran by a reverend mother superior " Nunnery sorry not nurry lol | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own " Selfish attitude | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude " If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. " Are the people of Afghanistan crying out for Christianity & Western charity then? | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. Are the people of Afghanistan crying out for Christianity & Western charity then? " No idea. I was referring to the attitudes of some of the guys in the forum. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. Are the people of Afghanistan crying out for Christianity & Western charity then? No idea. I was referring to the attitudes of some of the guys in the forum. " fair enough ... we all make judgments | |||
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"Look after our own and protect our own. Do gooders feel free to donate .. " Yep, but we can't even do that here .... So there's zero chance of us protecting the women and girls of Afghanistan from barbaric Islamic practices. | |||
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"According to some we'll be like that in about 5 years time I seriously doubt that. I know the UK can be a little backwards at times but we have evolved to a lot more than that and many women I know would definitely not let that happen. Now back on subject: These women face terrible oppression, treated worse than pets. If we wouldn't want to be in that position ourselves then how can we go about ignoring this. Something needs to be done." We can say same about the 70.000 Christian murdered by Islamic state Boko Haram in Notth Africa . Or the people living in North Korea . The forced labour Muslims , held in camps in China over 1 million . Then there’s hungry or those being bomb in Gaza . People dying on front line in Ukraine every day . So it go on and on . There’s always going be casualties of society. They are more people in shit now then ever before , human trafficking sex workers forced labour child workers . The world a fucking mess , we just put up with this shit day in day out . | |||
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"If ISAF had trained up a Stay Behind Force.. Look at the YPJ; an all female militia that was largely responsible for defeating Da'esh on the ground ( because being killed by Women scared the shit out of them ). " That comment just goes to prove how easy it is to fool people with propaganda. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. " I'm not sure why you equate Christianity with compassion, there are many compassionate atheists, much more so than the Christian Right in the USA. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. I'm not sure why you equate Christianity with compassion, there are many compassionate atheists, much more so than the Christian Right in the USA." What about the forced conversion of natives tribes in the American continent etc. Very charitable. You cannot equate any religion to charitable deeds. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. I'm not sure why you equate Christianity with compassion, there are many compassionate atheists, much more so than the Christian Right in the USA." I didn’t equate them. I said ‘or’ not ‘and’. I put them in the same sentence - that’s not equating them. Plus, of course, there are loads of charitable non christians and loads of non charitable christians. I can’t comment on the Christian Right in the USA. My comment was aimed at the compassionless in the forum - those who have advocated shooting babies in dinghies for example. | |||
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"I don't give fuck...look after our own Selfish attitude If you scroll through the forums, you’ll find a great many lacking in compassion. Not very christian or charitable. Dead inside, some. I'm not sure why you equate Christianity with compassion, there are many compassionate atheists, much more so than the Christian Right in the USA. I didn’t equate them. I said ‘or’ not ‘and’. I put them in the same sentence - that’s not equating them. Plus, of course, there are loads of charitable non christians and loads of non charitable christians. I can’t comment on the Christian Right in the USA. My comment was aimed at the compassionless in the forum - those who have advocated shooting babies in dinghies for example. " Shooting babies in dinghies? Who came up with that idea? | |||
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