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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control " Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. " So why do we need it | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. So why do we need it " So that when questions are asked, one of these is added at the end…? | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. So why do we need it So that when questions are asked, one of these is added at the end…?" ?s are a well known government surveillance method. | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. So why do we need it So that when questions are asked, one of these is added at the end…?" Well done you caught me out I missed the ? Very enlightening and expands your reasoning to nothing | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. So why do we need it So that when questions are asked, one of these is added at the end…? Well done you caught me out I missed the ? Very enlightening and expands your reasoning to nothing " All encompassing ID will also ensure full stops are added to the end. | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. So why do we need it So that when questions are asked, one of these is added at the end…? Well done you caught me out I missed the ? Very enlightening and expands your reasoning to nothing " That means his reasoning matches yours in magnitude. All you have displayed thus far is paranoia, nothing even remotely based on fact or experience. Where was the information stating that your ID will be required to purchase things? Where was the information sourced from stating you will need it to fly? Where as the information sourced from stating you will need ID for internet usage? (Oh wait that was me, but I was talking bollocks to see how many gullible conspiracy theorists would take the hook - answer: a great many.) | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. " ================================================== i'm concerned about rather different issues. That ID card will be capable of serving as the key to any number of different databases. If what we know so far is true, these will not be run by the UK government. What that means is that they will hold data our personal data that is impenetrable to UK Govt, and even less so to us, its unwilling donors. There is now a huge push to integrate US companies into our public services, and many of these are the most toxic on the planet. Take Palantir, for instance, which is owned by Peter Thiel, who makes no secret of his belief that capitalism and democracy are incompatible. Palantir, as well as being deeply embedded in US and Israeli intelligence, is eager to provide services to the NHS. For "eager to provide services", read "eager to get its hands on the data held by them". They are salivating at the prospect: and so are their customers, insurance & pharma companies. And consider that the ID card initiative was strongly promoted by the Tony Blair Institute, heavily supported by Larry Ellison, who briefly pipped Elon Musk to first place as the world's richest man, and who owns Oracle. You think these people are charitable institutions, purely interested in applying the magic of the Free Market to UK public services? And that's before we get to who is financing all this. Take for example Blackrock and Macquarie: "asset managers"; read "asset strippers". McQ, in particular, stripped out Thames Water assets to pay shareholder dividends and executive salaries, and left it with a whopping burden of debt. Are these people public benefactors? | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that paranoia is a sign of poor but treatable mental health? There are plenty organisations like the Samaritans, Mind and others who can help. " Do they help with Narcissism too? | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. " Actually the only other states that I know of with that level of control are China and north Korea. In the case of Chinese experiment they had everything linked to your card and it is essentially a cash free system, where your bio id card is your bank card. And that level of regulated control is exactly what they have gone for with "good citizen" points for those who behave as deemed "correctly". This is absolutely not a power we should give to our government. (Or any.) | |||
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" Actually the only other states that I know of with that level of control are China and north Korea. In the case of Chinese experiment they had everything linked to your card and it is essentially a cash free system, where your bio id card is your bank card. And that level of regulated control is exactly what they have gone for with "good citizen" points for those who behave as deemed "correctly". This is absolutely not a power we should give to our government. (Or any.) " But how do you feel giving it to people like Elon Musk, Larry Ellison and Peter Thiel? | |||
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" Actually the only other states that I know of with that level of control are China and north Korea. In the case of Chinese experiment they had everything linked to your card and it is essentially a cash free system, where your bio id card is your bank card. And that level of regulated control is exactly what they have gone for with "good citizen" points for those who behave as deemed "correctly". This is absolutely not a power we should give to our government. (Or any.) But how do you feel giving it to people like Elon Musk, Larry Ellison and Peter Thiel?" It may be paranoia, it may be genuine concern. We are already living in one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world. Some might see digital ID as the next rung in the ladder of state control. I don't see that as an unreasonable assessment. | |||
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"I really don't give a shit who has my information...it really wouldn't make for interesting reading! Paranoia rules!! " It's not just about watching you, (at a granular level the stazi could only dream of!), it's about potential restrictions. You have a minor conviction for shop lifting? Don't dare walk into a supermarket or you will breach your restrictions. Protest about something on line? (Eg even a council complaint?) You could find that your flagged if you walk past a council office. This already happens with ANPR if your car is at a political meeting that is dreamed of interest , there have been multiple instances of drivers then being pulled over subsequently for no clear purpose. With biometric id they could harass and disrupt any protest movement they wanted. I'm not talking about M25 shut down where people got four years for discussing a sit down protest, I'm talking about local councils able to track individuals who don't want their allotment sold off or who are not happy with local schools provision. That is what this bio id is designed for. | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that paranoia is a sign of poor but treatable mental health? There are plenty organisations like the Samaritans, Mind and others who can help. Do they help with Narcissism too?" Give them a call and find out. I don’t know. I am sure they can help or point you at someone who can. | |||
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" Actually the only other states that I know of with that level of control are China and north Korea. In the case of Chinese experiment they had everything linked to your card and it is essentially a cash free system, where your bio id card is your bank card. And that level of regulated control is exactly what they have gone for with "good citizen" points for those who behave as deemed "correctly". This is absolutely not a power we should give to our government. (Or any.) But how do you feel giving it to people like Elon Musk, Larry Ellison and Peter Thiel? It may be paranoia, it may be genuine concern. We are already living in one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world. Some might see digital ID as the next rung in the ladder of state control. I don't see that as an unreasonable assessment." It's certainly a means of control. i'm just asking who you feel most comfortable with exerting it? Your choices are: A) Corporations representing the richest people on earth, who are unelected, accountable only to their shareholders, many of whom have actually made their fortunes appropriating our data and selling it, who make no pretence to be public benefactors, and believe in a government manipulated entirely in their interests. B) A state run by people who - nominally at least - are elected to serve us. Even when in fact many of them are corrupt and have sold themselves to those very same corporations. On the other hand there are in principle mechanisms of transparency and accountability, even if they don't work all that well. Those are the only options. | |||
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" It's certainly a means of control. i'm just asking who you feel most comfortable with exerting it? Your choices are: A) Corporations representing the richest people on earth, who are unelected, accountable only to their shareholders, many of whom have actually made their fortunes appropriating our data and selling it, who make no pretence to be public benefactors, and believe in a government manipulated entirely in their interests. B) A state run by people who - nominally at least - are elected to serve us. Even when in fact many of them are corrupt and have sold themselves to those very same corporations. On the other hand there are in principle mechanisms of transparency and accountability, even if they don't work all that well. Those are the only options." Could it also be argued that many of the private corporations already have and use the data about you? | |||
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" It's certainly a means of control. i'm just asking who you feel most comfortable with exerting it? Your choices are: A) Corporations representing the richest people on earth, who are unelected, accountable only to their shareholders, many of whom have actually made their fortunes appropriating our data and selling it, who make no pretence to be public benefactors, and believe in a government manipulated entirely in their interests. B) A state run by people who - nominally at least - are elected to serve us. Even when in fact many of them are corrupt and have sold themselves to those very same corporations. On the other hand there are in principle mechanisms of transparency and accountability, even if they don't work all that well. Those are the only options. Could it also be argued that many of the private corporations already have and use the data about you? " They certainly have some, but they work on the principle that they can never have enough. They're currently infiltrating into UK public services. One of their main targets is NHS data. | |||
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"Does it really matter? Whatever you write on here isn't going to make any difference to government policy. Do you really think they are going to say 'Fab users are against it, so we better not do it'?" Maybe lol | |||
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"Does it really matter? Whatever you write on here isn't going to make any difference to government policy. Do you really think they are going to say 'Fab users are against it, so we better not do it'?" How dare you doubt the power of pointless forum verbiage! Don’t you know that for every 67 year old man whose blood pressure rises at the sound of the name Starmer, a new flag appears on a lamppost? | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities?" Wasn't it Walt Disney who originally came up with the idea?   xx | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. " Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Wasn't it Walt Disney who originally came up with the idea? xx""A 15-minute city is an urban planning model where residents can access daily necessities—like work, shopping, education, and leisure—within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from home. The concept, developed by urbanist Carlos Moreno, aims to create vibrant, complete neighborhoods, reduce car dependency and carbon emissions"  | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. " If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines." | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines."" You are comparing apples and coral reefs. Low traffic neighbourhoods are not 15 minute cities. They aren’t connected to them per-se and they are usually part of separate planning stages. The complaint about many low traffic neighbourhoods is the lack of planning that goes into them and their surrounds, but they are not connected topics. | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines." You are comparing apples and coral reefs. Low traffic neighbourhoods are not 15 minute cities. They aren’t connected to them per-se and they are usually part of separate planning stages. The complaint about many low traffic neighbourhoods is the lack of planning that goes into them and their surrounds, but they are not connected topics. " I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. | |||
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"I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. " What is wrong with reducing our carbon footprint or car sharing? My last employer before I retired actively encouraged car sharing scheme, one less car in the car park and reducing carbon footprint xx | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control " Yup. | |||
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"I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. What is wrong with reducing our carbon footprint or car sharing? My last employer before I retired actively encouraged car sharing scheme, one less car in the car park and reducing carbon footprint xx"This is several steps beyond car sharing, you won't own a car, nobody else will own one. You will have an app and tell it where you want to go, it will decide which transport solution is best. Or even if your journey is necessary. "If you want to go to B&Q for some grass seed, then you must order it online and a driverless pod will deliver it." Was one of the many examples given. This is being planned, the technology is well advanced and the various partners are already selling the idea to the consumer. Think about the private leasing schemes available. | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines." You are comparing apples and coral reefs. Low traffic neighbourhoods are not 15 minute cities. They aren’t connected to them per-se and they are usually part of separate planning stages. The complaint about many low traffic neighbourhoods is the lack of planning that goes into them and their surrounds, but they are not connected topics. I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. " 😆 Come now, there is no plan to do away with car ownership. There are many plans to try to make car ownership unnecessary for as many people as possible by providing access to suitable alternatives. But paranoia paints an attempt to make life easier as an attempt to control. That says more about the paranoid than the plan. | |||
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"This is Blair's work he's pulling the strings. Maybe because his son owns the company who would run the id scheme " Or maybe not, as a) it’s your opinion and not fact that it’s ‘Blair pulling the strings’ and b) no one knows what the scheme will look like yet as there hasn’t even been a consultation so we don’t know which company will run the scheme. Don’t state opinions as if they are facts because that can undermine any credibility you might have or want others to think you have. | |||
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"This is Blair's work he's pulling the strings. Maybe because his son owns the company who would run the id scheme Or maybe not, as a) it’s your opinion and not fact that it’s ‘Blair pulling the strings’ and b) no one knows what the scheme will look like yet as there hasn’t even been a consultation so we don’t know which company will run the scheme. Don’t state opinions as if they are facts because that can undermine any credibility you might have or want others to think you have. " 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described?" How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines." You are comparing apples and coral reefs. Low traffic neighbourhoods are not 15 minute cities. They aren’t connected to them per-se and they are usually part of separate planning stages. The complaint about many low traffic neighbourhoods is the lack of planning that goes into them and their surrounds, but they are not connected topics. I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. 😆 Come now, there is no plan to do away with car ownership. There are many plans to try to make car ownership unnecessary for as many people as possible by providing access to suitable alternatives. But paranoia paints an attempt to make life easier as an attempt to control. That says more about the paranoid than the plan. " I don't want to upset you but that is exactly what is being considered. It's nothing to do with making your life easier. Since when has anything ever been done to make the individuals lives easier? Repeatedly saying "paranoia" proves nothing other than you have not seen any of this either on paper or in practice. The plan isn't to ban private cars, but to make them expensive and difficult to operate, ICE vehicles will become part of your carbon credit score so do you want petrol or use "the app" and heat your home? Check out the delivery drones being trialed, truck platooning in Europe, driverless buses, autonomous vehicles, etc. I have been involved on a technical level with a fair amount of this and it's far further ahead than most people think. | |||
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"For those crying paranoia, do you know about the 15 minute cities? Oxford is a good example. Also check out "C40" cities and their stated aims. Including carbon credit scores, no private car ownership, and even limits on the calories you can buy. Oh yes, sadistic Khan has already signed up to it. Haha I was wondering when that would come up. Thanks for another square on my bullshit bingo card. A fifteen minute city: ensuring that everyone has all they need within a 15 minute walk to stop them having to drive for an hour to get things, work or play. What a bunch of bastards! There has never ever been any suggestion that people would be prevented from going anywhere. The only people pushing that lie are people who have an interest in sowing dissatisfaction and anti-establishment sentiment. Oh and paranoid people. If the High Courts are aware, maybe there is something in it? "a High Court ruled the West Dulwich low-traffic neighbourhood (LTN) implemented by Lambeth Council unlawful, leading to the order for its immediate removal and the refund of over £1 million in wrongly issued fines." You are comparing apples and coral reefs. Low traffic neighbourhoods are not 15 minute cities. They aren’t connected to them per-se and they are usually part of separate planning stages. The complaint about many low traffic neighbourhoods is the lack of planning that goes into them and their surrounds, but they are not connected topics. I presume you know about the plan to reduce and ultimately do away with private car ownership? There is a trial program running for a subscription app which determines the lowest carbon footprint way for you to get anywhere, bike, electric scooter, bus, train, driverless pod. I was recently at a works seminar with various NGOs and government departments representatives discussing this. This is exactly where we are going. 😆 Come now, there is no plan to do away with car ownership. There are many plans to try to make car ownership unnecessary for as many people as possible by providing access to suitable alternatives. But paranoia paints an attempt to make life easier as an attempt to control. That says more about the paranoid than the plan. I don't want to upset you but that is exactly what is being considered. It's nothing to do with making your life easier. Since when has anything ever been done to make the individuals lives easier? Repeatedly saying "paranoia" proves nothing other than you have not seen any of this either on paper or in practice. The plan isn't to ban private cars, but to make them expensive and difficult to operate, ICE vehicles will become part of your carbon credit score so do you want petrol or use "the app" and heat your home? Check out the delivery drones being trialed, truck platooning in Europe, driverless buses, autonomous vehicles, etc. I have been involved on a technical level with a fair amount of this and it's far further ahead than most people think. The only thing upsetting about what you are saying is how suggestible you are. I’m sorry you are so wedded to this and I am sorry you are getting your information from sources who are not acting with your best interests at heart, but you are simply incorrect. Which is why you cannot produce any credible sources other than conspiracy theorists and theories. " You have hit on one thing which is potentially real, that making selfish transport choices is likely to become less and less affordable as we struggle to fight the increasing effects of climate change. The reason I keep using the work paranoia is because it is a very good and accurate word to describe the phenomenon you are exhibiting. You are conflating the fact that autonomous transportation is increasing in scope and capability with a desire to keep you in your box. That’s where the paranoia comes in. Is that such a bad thing? | |||
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"Assuming that the current (and every future) government won't be tempted to misuse this, we should be fine. Assuming that everybody in the police, local councils, civil-service, banking and finance sectors won't be tempted to misuse this, we should be fine. Assuming that the data handed over to other governments or international corporations won't be misused, we should be fine. Assuming that all of the data held on you is 100% accurate, and any mistakes are easily corrected we should be fine. " and if you don’t have one, you will be fined. | |||
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"If we the people refuse to comply on mass they will have to drop their stassi plans to control us , don't forget you vote them in to carry out your wishes , if you don't want identity cards then get up and protest , refuse on mass" Yea but we the people would rather not howl at the moon for every little thing that happens | |||
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"If we the people refuse to comply on mass they will have to drop their stassi plans to control us , don't forget you vote them in to carry out your wishes , if you don't want identity cards then get up and protest , refuse on mass" It’s ‘en masse’ | |||
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"Assuming that the current (and every future) government won't be tempted to misuse this, we should be fine. Assuming that everybody in the police, local councils, civil-service, banking and finance sectors won't be tempted to misuse this, we should be fine. Assuming that the data handed over to other governments or international corporations won't be misused, we should be fine. Assuming that all of the data held on you is 100% accurate, and any mistakes are easily corrected we should be fine. and if you don’t have one, you will be fined. " Ahhh but they won’t be able to..,,if I don’t have one I don’t exist… | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. " You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it. | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it." Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild. | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it. Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild." We must tread carefully in our comfortable shoes | |||
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" Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild. We must tread carefully in our comfortable shoes" 🤣 | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it. Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild." Back in your pulpit again then preaching !!!  | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it. Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild. Back in your pulpit again then preaching !!! "Maintain your constant watch over everything you don’t like. Ensure nothing goes uncommented!! We need heroes like you. | |||
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"On a granular level as the saying goes…..the country does not have the manpower to police parking fines, speeding fines, shop lifting, etc etc, we have unregistered people working, we can’t stop more arrivals, most public service is undermanned & over worked… who on earth is going to police our proposed ID scheme in the way described? How does that align with people yelling hard left at anyone who suggests that a few people in boats isn’t the reason the country is skint, or that digital ID isn’t the work of some overlord conspiracy? Because that’s what people are asking about, it’s wheeled out (as is hard right) with depressing regularity by an array of people who seem to prefer just accusing people of things instead of actually engaging with topics. I say that in the full agreement that it’s as common for idiots to yell “hard right” as the other way about and my disdain and incredulity is for both. You , of course are correct, I let logic slip in there….apologies for my rectitude. It was the hard left/right that made me do it. Sounds like we are victims of the hard centre! Fierce mild. Back in your pulpit again then preaching !!!
Maintain your constant watch over everything you don’t like. Ensure nothing goes uncommented!! We need heroes like you. "You are such a bore ! Whining on like an old set of bagpipes! I’m just honest . | |||
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". You are such a bore ! Whining on like an old set of bagpipes! I’m just honest . " Amazing, your opinion is just what we all came here for, it has made our day. Keep being honest, it informs us all. | |||
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"Maybe there should be an ID card for thick people so I can keep away from them. " maybe there should be an I D card for sheep like you so you don't get lost queuing at the abbatoir , | |||
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"Hark!!! The first mention of sheep. This thread truly has come of age. One correspondent just insulting those they can’t coherently argue with and another calling people sheep. I’m so proud!!!" Why is it always sheep? Cows follow too and they get led to slaughter. Sheep always find their way onto the road or get their head stuck in a fence  | |||
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"Hark!!! The first mention of sheep. This thread truly has come of age. One correspondent just insulting those they can’t coherently argue with and another calling people sheep. I’m so proud!!!" He no longer needs the ID Card for thick people though. | |||
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"Hark!!! The first mention of sheep. This thread truly has come of age. One correspondent just insulting those they can’t coherently argue with and another calling people sheep. I’m so proud!!! He no longer needs the ID Card for thick people though." Once you have reached true enlightenment there is no need for ID at all, you just exist above the plane of identity. | |||
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"Hark!!! The first mention of sheep. This thread truly has come of age. One correspondent just insulting those they can’t coherently argue with and another calling people sheep. I’m so proud!!! He no longer needs the ID Card for thick people though." No, they identify themselves quite effectively by what they say. | |||
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". You are such a bore ! Whining on like an old set of bagpipes! I’m just honest . Amazing, your opinion is just what we all came here for, it has made our day. Keep being honest, it informs us all." You really don’t see it do you how boring you are trying to dominate all the posts . With your opinions , totally unwilling to accept that others have their own views . Some of which may be slightly more interesting than yours . I’m sure you are probably the bore that tries to talk over everyone’s conversations in life too . Give it a rest !!! | |||
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"Yet another feeble ad hominem attack - if you can’t argue your opinion, attack the person instead. Maybe they should wear bibs with ‘dur!’ printed on them, both identifies and catches the drool. " It wasn’t feeble, it truly stung, got me right in the ‘caring about what a random forum abuser thinks about me’ bone. It’s a hard blow to take. | |||
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". You really don’t see it do you how boring you are trying to dominate all the posts . With your opinions , totally unwilling to accept that others have their own views . Some of which may be slightly more interesting than yours . I’m sure you are probably the bore that tries to talk over everyone’s conversations in life too . Give it a rest !!! "It’s amazing to see the absolute lack of self awareness of someone who is literally doing every single thing they are coming into the forum to abuse others for. It’s extraordinary to see the absolute irony bypass and conviction, quite uplifting in a great many ways. This correspondent is the example we should all follow. | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , " There’s far too much backhanding going on within the government. It was bad enough with boris and rishis friend getting ppe contracts | |||
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"Gotta remember this is a labour government who cannot accomplish a single task. They tried national identity cards years back, wasted over £6 billion and fuck all came of it. Need this government out and next head case in and see what comes of it. UK politics is fucked no matter who you vote for. " Where do you get your facts from? I got my facts (via AI) from a variety of sources. What Labour has done (or begun) in 2025 1. Economic & Living Standards Moves • UK saw relatively strong GDP growth in the first half of 2025; it was the fastest-growing economy in the G7 at points.  • Interest rates have been cut 5 times since Labour took office, easing pressures on mortgages.  • Minimum wage increase: from April 2025, for people 21+, raising incomes for over three million low-paid workers.  2. Workers’ Rights & Employment • Employment Rights Bill roadmap published: phasing in protections like day-one rights, more generous sick pay for lower earners, protections for pregnant women etc.  • “Make Work Pay” agenda: combining rights and pay improvements.  3. Housing, Planning & Infrastructure • Big investment via a new Affordable Homes Programme: record funding (about £39 billion) towards building 1.5 million homes.  • Planning reform efforts to speed up housing delivery and infrastructure.  4. Budgeting & Public Services • October 2024 Budget provided large uplifts: NHS day-to-day budget up by ~£22.6 billion, plus capital spending increases; education budget got large real-term uplift; housing investment; support funds for households in hardship.  • Expansion of the Household Support Fund, increases in state pension, broader eligibility for Carer’s Allowance.  5. Health / NHS & Social Care • A commitment to reduce hospital backlogs: target for England that no more than 18 weeks waiting for elective treatment.  • More investment in mental health, additional staff, expansion of programs like Talking Therapies.  6. Clean Energy, Environment, Net Zero • Removing barriers to onshore wind, speeded up approvals of solar farms, updating planning frameworks.  • Creation of Great British Energy, a publicly-owned clean energy investment vehicle.  • Committing to steeper emissions cuts: e.g. 81% reduction by 2035 from 1990 levels.  7. Skills, Apprenticeships, & Education • Boost to training/apprenticeships: e.g. £275 million for training and apprenticeships in England.  • Target to move away from a pure university attendance target toward “higher-level skills” by 25, including apprenticeships.  • Pledges to put libraries in all primary schools in England.  8. Social Policy / Welfare / Children • Increased welfare support in some areas (Carer’s Allowance eligibility expansion, etc.).  • Free early education expansion: for working parents of 9-month to 2-year-olds, with more free hours (15 → 30) etc.  9. Immigration & Border/Return Policy • Increased deportations / returns of people with no right to be in the UK.  • “BritCard”: proposed mandatory digital ID for adult residents.  10. Defence & Security • A boost in defence spending: aiming for 2.5% of GDP by 2027, with ambitions to reach 3% in the next Parliament.  The Community Charge (introduced in Scotland in 1989 and England/Wales in 1990, replacing domestic rates) was extremely costly for the government because: • Collection costs were far higher than with rates. Local authorities had to set up entirely new systems to register every adult resident individually. • Many people refused or failed to pay, leading to expensive enforcement action. • The government had to provide billions in transitional relief and additional grants to councils to cover shortfalls. According to estimates at the time: • Implementation and administration costs were around £3–4 billion. • Revenue shortfall: arrears and non-payment were estimated at over £1 billion per year in the early 1990s. • By 1991, it was costing more to collect the poll tax than the old rates system, which was one of the reasons John Major’s government replaced it with the Council Tax in 1993. Which shows that the Conservatives also wasted billions - although, we’re still waiting for the evidence that Labour did. | |||
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"Sorry according to your ID you have already flown twice this year Sorry according to your ID you have already bought meat twice this week Sorry according to your ID you have used your allocated gas and electricity for this month Sorry according to your ID you have already used the internet for 4 hours today You can see how this will play out once they have that level of information and control Sorry according to your ID you are dangerously and unfoundedly paranoid. " Just because your paranoid does not mean they are not after you... | |||
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"Seems to me with DebitCards, CreditCards, StoreCards MembershipCards and having to register for producers and service providers websites I already have no real privacy!" 11 August is quite private  | |||
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"Seems to me with DebitCards, CreditCards, StoreCards MembershipCards and having to register for producers and service providers websites I already have no real privacy! 11 August is quite private "😂😂😂 | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , " Do you really believe that? No company has been given the job, it will be run by a government department. | |||
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" Just because your paranoid does not mean they are not after you... " Absolutely true, and it doesn’t mean they are either. | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , Do you really believe that? No company has been given the job, it will be run by a government department." The proposed ID scheme hasn’t even had a consultation yet or been passed by the Commons or Lords, so all this ‘factual’ stuff is absolute and utter nonsense. It’s just people’s opinions masquerading as facts. Let’s test it out - Show us the link to the evidence that Tony Blair’s son owns the company that has the contract to issue the electronic ID scheme. | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , Do you really believe that? No company has been given the job, it will be run by a government department. The proposed ID scheme hasn’t even had a consultation yet or been passed by the Commons or Lords, so all this ‘factual’ stuff is absolute and utter nonsense. It’s just people’s opinions masquerading as facts. Let’s test it out - Show us the link to the evidence that Tony Blair’s son owns the company that has the contract to issue the electronic ID scheme. " Seems the opening post was just rage-bait and all that followed | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , Do you really believe that? No company has been given the job, it will be run by a government department. The proposed ID scheme hasn’t even had a consultation yet or been passed by the Commons or Lords, so all this ‘factual’ stuff is absolute and utter nonsense. It’s just people’s opinions masquerading as facts. Let’s test it out - Show us the link to the evidence that Tony Blair’s son owns the company that has the contract to issue the electronic ID scheme. Seems the opening post was just rage-bait and all that followed" Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!! | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , Do you really believe that? No company has been given the job, it will be run by a government department. The proposed ID scheme hasn’t even had a consultation yet or been passed by the Commons or Lords, so all this ‘factual’ stuff is absolute and utter nonsense. It’s just people’s opinions masquerading as facts. Let’s test it out - Show us the link to the evidence that Tony Blair’s son owns the company that has the contract to issue the electronic ID scheme. " There are a few ridiculously speculative reports on GB News and the like, none with even the tiniest piece of evidence. This is the type of shit these gullible people fall for time and time again, they've been groomed. | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , " The government announcement of the digital ID scheme makes no mention of the involvement of Multiverse or any other third party company. It states that it will build on “work already underway to roll out a GOV.UK digital wallet”. That project is being run by the Government Digital Service, a division which sits within the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT). Too much believing what is written on social media platforms can lead to havoc xx | |||
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"More to this story than meets the eye " I agree. There’s a princess and a wizard and some hidden treasure. | |||
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"Ironic That Tony Blair’s son is the owner of the company tasked with issuing the digital id , The government announcement of the digital ID scheme makes no mention of the involvement of Multiverse or any other third party company. It states that it will build on “work already underway to roll out a GOV.UK digital wallet”. That project is being run by the Government Digital Service, a division which sits within the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT). Too much believing what is written on social media platforms can lead to havoc xx"The project may be "run" by a govt department, but all that means is the they're issuing a contract. In other words, it'll be outsourced. And we'll see who the supplier is. | |||
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