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"It definitely shouldn't be banned, anything that exposes crime should be encouraged "  | |||
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"An undercover reporter exposed some wrongdoings in a London Police Station called Charing Cross. Should this type of reporting be banned ? " NO but def should show the other side of abuse to police as my friends and others i know get from groups of all types and these days just have to stand there and take it so they can keep their pension. Back in 80's youd be toe toe wiv them .. fair enough. Not now. 😈 | |||
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"An undercover reporter exposed some wrongdoings in a London Police Station called Charing Cross. Should this type of reporting be banned ? " No - when authorities are involved in wrongdoing they have to be exposed and held to account. Otherwise how can we have any confidence in them. | |||
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"An undercover reporter exposed some wrongdoings in a London Police Station called Charing Cross. Should this type of reporting be banned ? " Your saying there should be some honesty about reporting dishonesty? | |||
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"They never should the positives just the negatives" Imagine the BBC payingvfor 3 montgs undercover filming of some cops following the rules and being polite to the public. Who'd be watching...??  | |||
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"Underhanded journalists with hidden cameras, total wankers Is it illegal to do secret filming on crown property? Did senior management sanction this? A set up then?" From what I saw they said what they said and were not entrapped or led into it. I am sure every work place has people like this, the difference being these are the people who police us by consent, if they are overtly racist and misogynistic then there is a problem. That said if they were are covert that is no better… possibly more of a problem. | |||
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"Underhanded journalists with hidden cameras, total wankers Is it illegal to do secret filming on crown property? Did senior management sanction this? A set up then? From what I saw they said what they said and were not entrapped or led into it. I am sure every work place has people like this, the difference being these are the people who police us by consent, if they are overtly racist and misogynistic then there is a problem. That said if they were are covert that is no better… possibly more of a problem." It's not even that they just used vile language though. They discussed deliberately attacking people in cells and being willing to lie about it in statements. | |||
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"Some reporters are scum" What did they do which was wrong? | |||
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"If you watch it you will see they are a bunch of arrogant racist scumbags half of who should be jailed let alone sacked " But apparently we should be blaming the reporters according to some of our correspondents here? | |||
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"If you watch it you will see they are a bunch of arrogant racist scumbags half of who should be jailed let alone sacked " | |||
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"Not condoning their behaviour but always wondered what if the journalists where treated same way What would be exposed " oooh er! | |||
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"Not condoning their behaviour but always wondered what if the journalists where treated same way What would be exposed " If they are doing wrong then they should also be exposed but you can’t cover up and excuse corruption in the police just because journalists are not the most honourable of people either. | |||
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"Not condoning their behaviour but always wondered what if the journalists where treated same way What would be exposed " Just read private eye. Their street of shame section goes into great detail about some of the poor behaviour in Fleet Street and broadcast media. But that doesn’t invalidate those journalists who do good things. | |||
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"Police have been corrupt for years and years, it'll never change. I remember a reporter going undercover in a police training college about 20-25 years ago in Crewe and exposing it"  | |||
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"Well i think they do a great job under a lot of pressure dealing with the dregs of society. I know who I would rather see if I was being attacked or threatened and it wouldn’t be a dodgy backstreet reporter ." Obviously, but how does that invalidate the work of the reporters who uncovered the awful behaviour in the police? | |||
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"Totally shocking what is exposed in this program, these tramps pretending to be police need to be gotten rid off, I congratulate the journalist who brought this to light." | |||
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"A pity the BBC. Don’t use their reporters to report on the corruption and sexual abuse that has been rife in their own government owns department for many years . " The BBC certainly hid a lot of sexual abuse by presenters. They knew about it too. | |||
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"A pity the BBC. Don’t use their reporters to report on the corruption and sexual abuse that has been rife in their own government owns department for many years . " Well they kinda do, don’t they? It’s on the news all the time. And whataboutery doesn’t really take away from the good they did here does it? | |||
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"I watched it.. lots of bravado and a few bent coppers. Nothing new, nothing to see and move along.." 👎👎👎👎 | |||
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"Well they haven’t actually done any thing about it they merely reported some bravado and between colleagues dealing in stress full situations with the scum of society . " A number of police have been suspended pending investigation with the Chief of the met saying he wanted them off the payroll as soon as possible. That isn’t “haven’t done anything” | |||
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"Whatever. I put on here you will argue about it . As you think your opinion is the only correct one . I have pointed this out before as you hide behind your keyboard and hide behind your hidden profile . So I don’t think I really care about your waffling ons to be honest " I mean that’s just pish isn’t it? You know fine that you are as prone to arguing as anyone in here but it suits you to change the subject away from things which you don’t seem able to provide a coherent argument to, so you simply switch to attacking the person instead. Maybe if you didn’t talk small minded garbage people would be less inclined to accuse you of talking shite? | |||
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"We all know the police do a good job under very difficult conditions . So good luck to them " Absolutely they do, and I support them as much as you. Provided they stay within the law. They don’t get a free pass. | |||
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"lol strange how you knew I meant you! Sad soul " Well you wrote it directly after my response 🤣🤣 You are aware that is how conversations work aye? | |||
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"Zzzzzzzz" I notice you don’t seem to be able to answer any of the points made? | |||
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"Well i think they do a great job under a lot of pressure dealing with the dregs of society. " You could arguably say the same about investigative journalists  | |||
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"Maybe call a journalist next time you are being mugged then . " 😂 | |||
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"Maybe call a journalist next time you are being mugged then . " You tried that one 2 hours ago and it was nonsense then too. | |||
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"It's a close thing who I distrust most, the Police or the Media Who got stitched up first. ?" They are both adept at making things up, covering their own backs, misusing their privileged station.... and being increasingly mistrusted by the general public. | |||
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"Underhanded journalists with hidden cameras, total wankers Is it illegal to do secret filming on crown property? Did senior management sanction this? A set up then?" So you condone that behaviour by the police? Nice one | |||
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"It's a close thing who I distrust most, the Police or the Media Who got stitched up first. ? They are both adept at making things up, covering their own backs, misusing their privileged station.... and being increasingly mistrusted by the general public. " The difference being if I don’t trust a journalist or the organisation they work for, I can disregard or find other views , watch another channel, read a different paper. I can’t choose a different police force. | |||
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"I watched it.. lots of bravado and a few bent coppers. Nothing new, nothing to see and move along.." ----------------------------- Wow Meanwhile, the Met Police commissioner described the footage as "vile to watch", calling the officers involved "ghastly, ghastly individuals". | |||
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"I watched it.. lots of bravado and a few bent coppers. Nothing new, nothing to see and move along.. ----------------------------- Wow Meanwhile, the Met Police commissioner described the footage as "vile to watch", calling the officers involved "ghastly, ghastly individuals"." Yea but he is a woke snowflake who is clearly vaccinated… | |||
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"For me the biggest issue is that public money was spent on an inquiry to find the Met was racist, homophobic, and misogynist - an environment that allowed Sarah Everard's killer. Within a year the powers that be said it was all sorted, people booted out etc, which was clearly crap. This documentary shows what was already obvious - you don't go from rotten to fixed overnight. It's years and years of culture change. And that doesn't mean taking aggression and abuse, or endless courses blah blah blah: it means not being a racist, misogynist, homophobic thug. Is that too much to ask from those we supposedly expect to police us evenly and without prejudice?" I don't mean the issue was that money was spent on the inquiry but that it was basically ignored/pretended it was fixed etc when anyone who's experienced culture change in a large organisation knows that's going to be crap. Where's the honesty & accountability!? This doc was only required because the top brass are gaslighting the public. | |||
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"Police.why stop there. Army. Fire brigade. Many many football grounds each week. Gym's. " They are going after the army and the fire service as well. | |||
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"That sgt was a bit of a pest to be honest 😆, but dont forget that it was edited to make the police look bad and to justify the tv licence payers fee for the BBC." Yep. Totally biased TV | |||
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"That sgt was a bit of a pest to be honest 😆, but dont forget that it was edited to make the police look bad and to justify the tv licence payers fee for the BBC. Yep. Totally biased TV" You know everything which was edited out or are you just playing old man troll bingo again? | |||
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"That sgt was a bit of a pest to be honest 😆, but dont forget that it was edited to make the police look bad and to justify the tv licence payers fee for the BBC." Is this something you have direct evidence of or is it just bog standard paranoia? | |||
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"Biased TV? They were a disgrace to the uniform, BBC trying to make the Met look bad, them officers (and i use the term officers very loosely) did that all on their own. Sack the lot of them, jail the ones perverting the course of justice, or is that not enough. Disgraceful." Aye but you gotta remember the number of folks on here who get told what to think by GB News and Lord Rothermere’s voice of the People the Mail. Two organisations who have no vested financial interest in undermining the BBC at all! But two organisations who prey on men and women over the age of 60 who are furious that the world isn’t the same as it was when they were 25 and need to blame the nearest brown person. | |||
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"Yes this kind of programme should be allowed. If only to give the public some ounce of confidence that these kind of bad apples are being routed out. If you have a problem with that, that says something about your personality. "Doesn't say anything about us. If Criminal activity is discovered within the force,then it should be investigated and dealt with in normal way. It should not be made public until it's proved and those involved held accountable. As we all know public opinion is anything but fair or honest | |||
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"Yes this kind of programme should be allowed. If only to give the public some ounce of confidence that these kind of bad apples are being routed out. If you have a problem with that, that says something about your personality. Doesn't say anything about us. If Criminal activity is discovered within the force,then it should be investigated and dealt with in normal way. It should not be made public until it's proved and those involved held accountable. As we all know public opinion is anything but fair or honest"This “not being made public until proved” ideal seems to be applied inconsistently. | |||
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"3 month filming fitted into a 30minute film ??? All we see i one side however whrn you do a job like a policeman,military, Prison officer etc sometimes it is tough, you see a lot and hear things no ears should hear. It is grim,it is joyful sometimes. You can say it is emotional. The one thing that you develop a black sense of humour finding laughs in the darkest moments aka Gallow Hunour. It may not be to everybody's taste but if you are a sensitive wimp why are you wearing the uniform ??? It is a way to cope when you are confronted with the nasty side of human nature. " I understand the rough treatment of non-compliant prisoners, they weren't actually beaten and police do have the power to use force. There was still some out & out racism though, which is unacceptable. On general though the officers didn't seem the brightest bunch they were stuck on custody doing the same thing every day. I doubt you'd find such behaviour in the CID, they're generally more intelligent and a better quality officer all round. | |||
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"Bit strange as the journalist was working in the police premises as a recent employee .Strict background checks done for usual applicants must not have been very thorough as would have shown up his occupation "Good point if they hid their true occupation, did they commit an offence by failure to disclose? Lying to obtain a position in a Public Service | |||
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"Never have trusted the police and never will, but that is from personal experience and not because the BBC have taken a particular stance Remember when BBC wanted us to love " the boys in blue" and it was all Dixon of Dock Green or Z Cars ?????" I remember Dixon of Dock Green. Always a sermon at the end of the episode. | |||
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"3 month filming fitted into a 30minute film ??? All we see i one side however whrn you do a job like a policeman,military, Prison officer etc sometimes it is tough, you see a lot and hear things no ears should hear. It is grim,it is joyful sometimes. You can say it is emotional. The one thing that you develop a black sense of humour finding laughs in the darkest moments aka Gallow Hunour. It may not be to everybody's taste but if you are a sensitive wimp why are you wearing the uniform ??? It is a way to cope when you are confronted with the nasty side of human nature. " Having worked in the prison service I'd have to agree, lots of bravado from lots of guys who were lacking when it actually got nasty, and slow to put themselves forward when required, then boasting about this and that. Those that rolled eyes at sexual remarks racist comments because saying anything was pointless, because the orator was set in his way and no matter what course they sent that person on he isn't going to change his mind. It got better, people became more guarded. The truth is, we can all think what we like and no one can really call you out for that. However in the job be professional. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years." Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. | |||
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"Bit strange as the journalist was working in the police premises as a recent employee .Strict background checks done for usual applicants must not have been very thorough as would have shown up his occupation
Good point if they hid their true occupation, did they commit an offence by failure to disclose? Lying to obtain a position in a Public Service"There's a potential offence under the 2006 Fraud Act although I'm sure BBC lawyers would have given this consideration. In any case, it's doubtful the CPS would consider charges, bearing in mind what was uncovered. | |||
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"Underhanded journalists with hidden cameras, total wankers Is it illegal to do secret filming on crown property? Did senior management sanction this? A set up then?" You do know the police themselves use the same tactic? | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you." Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now." So you say. | |||
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"I have never heard of songs called "Fuck da ambulance workers" "Fuck da Firemen" or even "Fuck da Armed Forces" come to that. Coincidence?" Probably because they usually only act in response to an incident, waiting for things to happen. Policing is a lot busier, and can mean an officer is often in contact with criminals and other unsavoury characters, or involved in potentially violent and dangerous situations. Not that Firefighters or Ambulance people don't face danger of course. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now. So you say." You are also right that it isn't just the BBC, but none of the other broadcasters require you to pay a fee whether or not you watch them. TV licence fee collectors are bourgeois parasites. | |||
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"I have never heard of songs called "Fuck da ambulance workers" "Fuck da Firemen" or even "Fuck da Armed Forces" come to that. Coincidence? Probably because they usually only act in response to an incident, waiting for things to happen. Policing is a lot busier, and can mean an officer is often in contact with criminals and other unsavoury characters, or involved in potentially violent and dangerous situations. Not that Firefighters or Ambulance people don't face danger of course." They don't racially profile and disproportionately stop and search young black men either. | |||
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"I have never heard of songs called "Fuck da ambulance workers" "Fuck da Firemen" or even "Fuck da Armed Forces" come to that. Coincidence? Probably because they usually only act in response to an incident, waiting for things to happen. Policing is a lot busier, and can mean an officer is often in contact with criminals and other unsavoury characters, or involved in potentially violent and dangerous situations. Not that Firefighters or Ambulance people don't face danger of course. They don't racially profile and disproportionately stop and search young black men either." They don't stop and search anyone, it isn't their job and by nature of that, they aren't involved in such conflict. With regards to police 'disproportionally using stop and search on young black men', that pretty much stopped around 2012 when, on her wisdom, Home Secretary Theresa May changed the guidelines around this subject. As a result, knife crime and the, again 'disproportionate', number of young black men murdered or stabbed by other black men greatly increased. | |||
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"I have never heard of songs called "Fuck da ambulance workers" "Fuck da Firemen" or even "Fuck da Armed Forces" come to that. Coincidence? Probably because they usually only act in response to an incident, waiting for things to happen. Policing is a lot busier, and can mean an officer is often in contact with criminals and other unsavoury characters, or involved in potentially violent and dangerous situations. Not that Firefighters or Ambulance people don't face danger of course. They don't racially profile and disproportionately stop and search young black men either." It's also ironic that 40 years ago today, PC Keith Blakelock was stabbed and virtually beheaded by a gang of young men when going to the aid of firefighters under attack at Broadwater Farm in North London. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now. So you say. You are also right that it isn't just the BBC, but none of the other broadcasters require you to pay a fee whether or not you watch them. TV licence fee collectors are bourgeois parasites." That’s not true. Nearly all of them do. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now. So you say. You are also right that it isn't just the BBC, but none of the other broadcasters require you to pay a fee whether or not you watch them. TV licence fee collectors are bourgeois parasites. That’s not true. Nearly all of them do. " So commercial TV doesn’t charge you? In money terms, where do you think the advertising budget comes from? The selling price of the goods or services, also time wise you pay… opportunity costing if you will, whilst you are watching or even fast forwarding through the adverts… you are not doing something more worthwhile or something that could bring in more money to yourself, and that hour long programme? Nope 40-45 minutes. | |||
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"A BBC investigation into rampant nepotism at the BBC. Now that WOULD be worth watching, not that I think it stands a cat in hell's chance of ever being produced. That's why I haven't paid my licence fee for the past 4 years. Not a bad idea but it isn't just the BBC. Who would they find to present it though, Roman Kemp maybe, Chloe Madeley, Brooklyn Beckham? It's no reason to not to pay your TV licence though, other people are subsidising you. Well, they're not, because I don't actually watch BBC TV at all now. So you say. You are also right that it isn't just the BBC, but none of the other broadcasters require you to pay a fee whether or not you watch them. TV licence fee collectors are bourgeois parasites. That’s not true. Nearly all of them do. So commercial TV doesn’t charge you? In money terms, where do you think the advertising budget comes from? The selling price of the goods or services, also time wise you pay… opportunity costing if you will, whilst you are watching or even fast forwarding through the adverts… you are not doing something more worthwhile or something that could bring in more money to yourself, and that hour long programme? Nope 40-45 minutes." Not to mention channel 4 getting paid from the license fee Netflix charging you monthly whether you watch it or not Amazon TNT The list goes on. Only really ITV doesn’t charge and they are in serious financial trouble. | |||
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"I have never heard of songs called "Fuck da ambulance workers" "Fuck da Firemen" or even "Fuck da Armed Forces" come to that. Coincidence? Probably because they usually only act in response to an incident, waiting for things to happen. Policing is a lot busier, and can mean an officer is often in contact with criminals and other unsavoury characters, or involved in potentially violent and dangerous situations. Not that Firefighters or Ambulance people don't face danger of course. They don't racially profile and disproportionately stop and search young black men either. It's also ironic that 40 years ago today, PC Keith Blakelock was stabbed and virtually beheaded by a gang of young men when going to the aid of firefighters under attack at Broadwater Farm in North London." It's also ironic that there have been more men die in police custody than police killed in the line of duty. But those steps near the cells are awfully steep. | |||
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"I thought it was a bit much following these guys into pubs and getting their d*unken views on the world " I wonder who was buying the drinks.. BBC maybe ... | |||
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"Could this be entrapment. ? Feed thd average Joe free drinks all night on the Bent Broadcasting Corporation and anyone will ding like a canary.. " Blimey! You’re not Bob Massingbird, are you?!  | |||
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