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Autism/Neurodivergence

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By *tuNE OP   Man
5 days ago

North Tyneside

Whilst there has always been children who had additional needs (am talking my time in primary/secondary education in the 80s and 90s). It seems like we are flooded with it these days, and I don't think it's because we are understanding more about it these days, i remember all too well 30-40 years ago about kids requiring more support or additional nedds, or ways to cope with overstimulation. My schools had classes set aside particularly for these needs, so why are we seeing it so much these days. I have no data to back it up, but the only thing I can see that might hasten and increase the prevalence is diet. Being bought up on the first wave of convenience food cooked by mothers who worked and therefore didn't stay at home preparing from scratch. It might not have affected us so much by being brought up that diet, but I feel like the end result is Gen X's like myself and Millennials breeding kids who are affected by it. My workplace now seems to be all about adapting and making provisions for anyone who suddenly declares they are neurodivergent, mostly those under 30, or are they just jumping on a bandwagon similar to adding more letters to LGBTQ.......

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By *amelaXTV/TS
5 days ago

Swindon

Nailed it!

Plus the answer to all issues seems to be "there's a vaccine for that" rather than a few healthy lifestyle changes

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull

I think it's more about kids growing up online (particularly during lockdown but before that too) and less exercise and interpersonal interaction.

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By *tuNE OP   Man
5 days ago

North Tyneside

There is definitely some correlation regarding interpersonal skills in your perspective. People really do struggle with the art of a proper conversation, especially face to face. Technology isn't really helping anyone to connect that meaningfully. Apps like this and even grindr remove the human element and users can feel that they are purely using an interface, there isn't a sentient being on the other side of it, and that's kinda seeping down into all walks of life, not just hook up apps

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull

Online existence makes it very easy to form impressions based on quite extreme influences, e.g. Andrew Tate and the whole manosphere stinking shitpile influencing boys who turn into vile men, instead of modelling themselves on adults they know in real life (admittedly those may also be shit people but it's statistically less likely, most humans are OK).

I'm sure if you could produce multi-factored line graph of the collective unc0nscious you'd see severe spikes in anxiety, alienation, disconnectedness all correlated to irrational beliefs, harmful ideations etc.

I work with a guy who buys all this bollocks hook line and sinker, but can still engage with him cordially enough about everyday stuff like work, music, sport etc. You just can't go there with politics or race.

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull

Also, AI and the enshittification (thanks Cory Doctorow) of the internet, endless machine-generated and regurgitated, meaningless bollocks doesn't help.

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By *tuNE OP   Man
5 days ago

North Tyneside

It surprises me how much false shit and A.I is out there and how users of it, think it passes as reality. Just yesterday I had. Chat with a guy on Grindr who was totally in denial that his profile pic was doctored in any way shape or form, until I reverse image searched it and sent it to him. He'd basically put his "enhanced" face on the body of someone else. He actually replied Wow, like somehow he thought I was superhuman for seeing through it. I expected a block, but he replied saying, everyone does it and you can't expect the truth on an app or social dating

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By *ornwall manMan
5 days ago

kendal

It's all bollox, people jumping on the label train.

Only had " slow table " when I was at school in the 70s and there went that many

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By *andomguy321Man
5 days ago

reading

“Medical science is making such remarkable progress that soon none of us will be well.”

- Aldous Huxley

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By *arridMan
5 days ago

Brighton

There isn’t any identifiable cause for autism so those that they there is, are talking bollocks.

As usual - provide the source to the evidence that states ‘autism is caused by…’

My own OPINION is that lazy parents want a label to excuse poor parenting in many cases. Private diagnoses, EHCP plans that bring extra funding and help access to PIP, carers allowance etc. over processed foods might affect embryo’s, stressful births might contribute but point me to one cause.

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By *andomguy321Man
5 days ago

reading

It's a very profitable racket

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By *tuNE OP   Man
5 days ago

North Tyneside

Interesting. I do think there is a lot less hands on parenting, with some people barely adults themselves raising kids. There seems to be a line of thought that parents feed and put a roof over kids heads and rely on the schools to educate them in all other aspects.

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull


"There is definitely some correlation regarding interpersonal skills in your perspective. People really do struggle with the art of a proper conversation, especially face to face. Technology isn't really helping anyone to connect that meaningfully. Apps like this and even grindr remove the human element and users can feel that they are purely using an interface, there isn't a sentient being on the other side of it, and that's kinda seeping down into all walks of life, not just hook up apps"

I actually like this site and think it is geared up towards genuine communication if both sides are into that. I've had decent conversations and sometimes meets following on from those.

It's the quick dopamine hit of fuck or pass sites like Grindr or Squirt that's annoying. I do actually have a longer attention span than a goldfish

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull


"It surprises me how much false shit and A.I is out there and how users of it, think it passes as reality. Just yesterday I had. Chat with a guy on Grindr who was totally in denial that his profile pic was doctored in any way shape or form, until I reverse image searched it and sent it to him. He'd basically put his "enhanced" face on the body of someone else. He actually replied Wow, like somehow he thought I was superhuman for seeing through it. I expected a block, but he replied saying, everyone does it and you can't expect the truth on an app or social dating"

The best use I've found yet for AI is generating fantasy art. I mean I could never create an image of a gang of giant Viking hamsters riding a herd of battle goats through the streets of my locality and terrifying the populace, but Copilot did an amazing job of it

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By *ocbigMan
5 days ago

Birmingham


"It surprises me how much false shit and A.I is out there and how users of it, think it passes as reality. Just yesterday I had. Chat with a guy on Grindr who was totally in denial that his profile pic was doctored in any way shape or form, until I reverse image searched it and sent it to him. He'd basically put his "enhanced" face on the body of someone else. He actually replied Wow, like somehow he thought I was superhuman for seeing through it. I expected a block, but he replied saying, everyone does it and you can't expect the truth on an app or social dating

The best use I've found yet for AI is generating fantasy art. I mean I could never create an image of a gang of giant Viking hamsters riding a herd of battle goats through the streets of my locality and terrifying the populace, but Copilot did an amazing job of it "

Ah but is it art?

No.. don’t answer that ., don’t mean to derail the thread.

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By *ocbigMan
5 days ago

Birmingham

I am going to recommend that all those who think a diagnosis is a gateway to money, go and visit any provision for autism, daycentre, school, college and then tell me the same. I am not saying it doesn’t happen, but mostly given the breadth of the spectrum an awful lot of people have a very tough life.

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By *antsMeetsMan
5 days ago

uxbridge

I got diagnosed with ADHD when I worked in the public sector because I didn't want to do a course on Teams, they sent me for assessments and said I was , I dont think I am, the only thing I can get from it is extra time on courses and the slides etc and they call it reasonable adjustments which ive never asked for on a course since getting told I could lol. It just means that im good and focused about what interests me and couldn't care less about what doesn't. Which is the same with most people. Lol. So its a load of bollocks

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By *tar33Man
5 days ago

North London (outer)


"It's all bollox, people jumping on the label train.

Only had " slow table " when I was at school in the 70s and there went that many"

Yeah, I was at school the 60's and 70's as well, and don't remember seeing too many people with such problems.

That said, there were a lot more people locked away in institutions back then, including people with Dawn's and autism. I think it made people uncomfortable seeing them on the street.

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By *tar33Man
5 days ago

North London (outer)


"I got diagnosed with ADHD when I worked in the public sector because I didn't want to do a course on Teams, they sent me for assessments and said I was , I dont think I am, the only thing I can get from it is extra time on courses and the slides etc and they call it reasonable adjustments which ive never asked for on a course since getting told I could lol. It just means that im good and focused about what interests me and couldn't care less about what doesn't. Which is the same with most people. Lol. So its a load of bollocks "

Being keen and able to focus on stuff that interests you is a positive in my book. My attention span always struggles when I'm bored as my mind drifts too much.

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By *ridayguyMan
5 days ago

sexy bi free land

Maybe all of us have traits, similar to the kinsey scale/ spectrum but as online communication means we are far more connected than we've ever been, we are much more aware of it.

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By *amelaXTV/TS
5 days ago

Swindon


"“Medical science is making such remarkable progress that soon none of us will be well.”

- Aldous Huxley"

I will use this

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull


"“Medical science is making such remarkable progress that soon none of us will be well.”

- Aldous Huxley

I will use this"

Also Huxley: "amusing ourselves to death", predicting the rise of vapid social media and lowest common denominator entertainment. The likes of Love Island qualify, I'd say.

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By *dstefiMan
5 days ago

Solihull

Although I'm still patiently waiting for the sexophones of Brave New World

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By *aySub99Man
5 days ago

Gloucester

The ramp up in short form content and constant dopamine loops within media of all kinds has probably contributed heavily in some way also.

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By *andomguy321Man
5 days ago

reading

Genius is often misunderstood.

But then again, so are cretins.

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By *amie1402Man
5 days ago

Liverpool


"Whilst there has always been children who had additional needs (am talking my time in primary/secondary education in the 80s and 90s). It seems like we are flooded with it these days, and I don't think it's because we are understanding more about it these days, i remember all too well 30-40 years ago about kids requiring more support or additional nedds, or ways to cope with overstimulation. My schools had classes set aside particularly for these needs, so why are we seeing it so much these days. I have no data to back it up, but the only thing I can see that might hasten and increase the prevalence is diet. Being bought up on the first wave of convenience food cooked by mothers who worked and therefore didn't stay at home preparing from scratch. It might not have affected us so much by being brought up that diet, but I feel like the end result is Gen X's like myself and Millennials breeding kids who are affected by it. My workplace now seems to be all about adapting and making provisions for anyone who suddenly declares they are neurodivergent, mostly those under 30, or are they just jumping on a bandwagon similar to adding more letters to LGBTQ......."

You don’t think the internet and mobile phones and social media have anything to do with it do you ?

Perish the thought!

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By *ridayguyMan
5 days ago

sexy bi free land

easy to forget people who help however they can, even if it's just being pleasant on here.

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By *ocbigMan
4 days ago

Birmingham


"Whilst there has always been children who had additional needs (am talking my time in primary/secondary education in the 80s and 90s). It seems like we are flooded with it these days, and I don't think it's because we are understanding more about it these days, i remember all too well 30-40 years ago about kids requiring more support or additional nedds, or ways to cope with overstimulation. My schools had classes set aside particularly for these needs, so why are we seeing it so much these days. I have no data to back it up, but the only thing I can see that might hasten and increase the prevalence is diet. Being bought up on the first wave of convenience food cooked by mothers who worked and therefore didn't stay at home preparing from scratch. It might not have affected us so much by being brought up that diet, but I feel like the end result is Gen X's like myself and Millennials breeding kids who are affected by it. My workplace now seems to be all about adapting and making provisions for anyone who suddenly declares they are neurodivergent, mostly those under 30, or are they just jumping on a bandwagon similar to adding more letters to LGBTQ.......

You don’t think the internet and mobile phones and social media have anything to do with it do you ?

Perish the thought!"

Not really, it may shorten attention spans, create expectations of immediate gratification etc, but that really shouldn’t draw a diagnosis, particularly of autism. But I guess in evolutionary terms we haven’t had the information overload for more than a few milliseconds of our history, probably not enough time to make a permanent evolutionary turn, too early to tell if there are temporary effects as a generalisation and if that would mean an rise in autism.

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