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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today." Don't make the mistake of fixating on the Abrahamic religions. | |||
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"Only a tiny fraction of the world's population are confirmed atheists. "24% listed as non religious, not necessarily atheists, but not religious. | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today. Don't make the mistake of fixating on the Abrahamic religions." I’m not. But they are the predominant ones in the west, so it is understandable that you may be clouded by them. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we." Unless it includes things like Human Sacrifice like many of the ancient Central and South American ones used too. | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today. Don't make the mistake of fixating on the Abrahamic religions. I’m not. But they are the predominant ones in the west, so it is understandable that you may be clouded by them." I'm not clouded by anything. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. " As the old saying goes:- 'Their are lies, damned lies and statistics'. Heavens [excuse the pun] knows where this one comes from. Sounds a bit phoney to me. Took a degree in theology and fascinated by religion. Toyed with the idea of the priesthood as a young man but wasn't over sure what I believed. Far too complex a subject to understand and rationally discuss on here. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. Unless it includes things like Human Sacrifice like many of the ancient Central and South American ones used too." Of course not, just meant you can see the Sun and it does give us life. I had a chat with a guy about it once and he reckoned we could survive easy without the Sun, well i aint so sure about that myself. | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today." If we are to be 'even handed' in this discussion we should add that millions of devoutly religious people have either devoted their live to doing good for others or have been influenced by religion to behave well for others | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today. If we are to be 'even handed' in this discussion we should add that millions of devoutly religious people have either devoted their live to doing good for others or have been influenced by religion to behave well for others" This is true, however, you don't need religion to do good things and behave well. Infact, the stick which religion beats you with "be good or you're going to suffer in hell for eternity", kind of forces those who believe to behave well, rather than them choosing to independently. | |||
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"This is true, however, you don't need religion to do good things and behave well. Infact, the stick which religion beats you with "be good or you're going to suffer in hell for eternity", kind of forces those who believe to behave well, rather than them choosing to independently. " Trouble is that those “in charge” in a lot of religions use the religion to control people and do a lot of the vile things we see happening- all on the name of the religion. Basically most religions have been corrupted by those in charge at some point in time, and used their position and control to turn others into Zelots with whom there is no reasoning - remember “Faith” requires no evidence or proof, just unquestioned obedience - it is akin to a form of brainwashing. | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. " Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism? | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. " But belief isn’t the same as proof… | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism?" Agnosticism is left sitting on the fence where it belongs. | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism? Agnosticism is left sitting on the fence where it belongs. " But it is more certain than atheism | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today. Don't make the mistake of fixating on the Abrahamic religions." A shame they caught on really, like a foreign plague. We already had, and still have to some extent, our own indigenous way of venerating the old gods and goddesses before the Abrahamic cults were imposed. | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism? Agnosticism is left sitting on the fence where it belongs. But it is more certain than atheism" Um, no it's not, it's a noncommittal middle ground. It's a throw your hands up and take no responsibility stance. It would be lovely to not have any responsibility, but that's just burying one's head in the sand. At least religious followers have the commitment to profess their delusion. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. " Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not." Presumably you're not going to offer more accurate numbers, according to your definition of accuracy? | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. Presumably you're not going to offer more accurate numbers, according to your definition of accuracy? " You just can’t help yourself can you? It’s becoming anachronistic. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. " Source? | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism? Agnosticism is left sitting on the fence where it belongs. But it is more certain than atheism Um, no it's not, it's a noncommittal middle ground. It's a throw your hands up and take no responsibility stance. It would be lovely to not have any responsibility, but that's just burying one's head in the sand. At least religious followers have the commitment to profess their delusion. " Seems belief in belief is contentious | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. Presumably you're not going to offer more accurate numbers, according to your definition of accuracy? You just can’t help yourself can you? It’s becoming anachronistic." So that's a no then, thought as much. | |||
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"Science is the enemy of religion. If you believe that dinosaurs walked the earth you can't possibly believe in the Bible. Or can you?" Sounds like your arse in two halves! Try answering your own question. Let's try Galileo Galilei, or are you going to be contrite? | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. Presumably you're not going to offer more accurate numbers, according to your definition of accuracy? You just can’t help yourself can you? It’s becoming anachronistic. So that's a no then, thought as much. " lol you sound so cute when you are pretending to be high and mighty. I mean which set of metrics do you want to pin your opinion to? There are multiple agencies publishing stats all of which differ significantly. All of which, like yours, pop up on the AI response to a Google search. All of whom rely on asking religious leaders to provide the stats for their own sect’s importance. I wonder how that goes? 😆 So let’s look at the basics. How were your stats collated and are they flawless? Your argument appears to rely on the argument that I need to give you a different number when I am actually arguing that the collation of these numbers is in itself fundamentally flawed and those numbers are only really useful as pro_aganda for the various sects. The unwillingness to pluck another number out the air does not invalidate my point, although I expect you will ignore this and go one to change the subject to avoid the parts of this you don’t feel able to give a suitable riposte to. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we." I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. " Why do you describe atheists as being unquestioning? I would submit that they have asked all the questions and have been unimpressed with the silly answers offered by the so called believers. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. Presumably you're not going to offer more accurate numbers, according to your definition of accuracy? You just can’t help yourself can you? It’s becoming anachronistic. So that's a no then, thought as much. lol you sound so cute when you are pretending to be high and mighty. I mean which set of metrics do you want to pin your opinion to? There are multiple agencies publishing stats all of which differ significantly. All of which, like yours, pop up on the AI response to a Google search. All of whom rely on asking religious leaders to provide the stats for their own sect’s importance. I wonder how that goes? 😆 So let’s look at the basics. How were your stats collated and are they flawless? Your argument appears to rely on the argument that I need to give you a different number when I am actually arguing that the collation of these numbers is in itself fundamentally flawed and those numbers are only really useful as pro_aganda for the various sects. The unwillingness to pluck another number out the air does not invalidate my point, although I expect you will ignore this and go one to change the subject to avoid the parts of this you don’t feel able to give a suitable riposte to." I've wasted a massive amount of time finding the source, it's from the PEW research centre. It was never AI generated. On the way though, I found lots of other statistics which have very similar numbers to those of PEW, so I'm confident that the numbers quoted here are as reliable as can be. Meanwhile, if you're going to call into question the numbers, it would be helpful to have more reliable ones, we don't need to go through the process of the methodologies of this and that argument and invalid this and collating that. It's pretty standard to suggest something more reliable and your failure to do so weakens your position. Hopefully this has addressed your concerns and I've not tried to ignore them or change the subject. | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. " I'm no zealot, I'm just an atheist and give religion barely any thought. Feel free to prove me wrong. | |||
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" lol you sound so cute when you are pretending to be high and mighty. I mean which set of metrics do you want to pin your opinion to? There are multiple agencies publishing stats all of which differ significantly. All of which, like yours, pop up on the AI response to a Google search. All of whom rely on asking religious leaders to provide the stats for their own sect’s importance. I wonder how that goes? 😆 So let’s look at the basics. How were your stats collated and are they flawless? Your argument appears to rely on the argument that I need to give you a different number when I am actually arguing that the collation of these numbers is in itself fundamentally flawed and those numbers are only really useful as pro_aganda for the various sects. The unwillingness to pluck another number out the air does not invalidate my point, although I expect you will ignore this and go one to change the subject to avoid the parts of this you don’t feel able to give a suitable riposte to. I've wasted a massive amount of time finding the source, it's from the PEW research centre. It was never AI generated. On the way though, I found lots of other statistics which have very similar numbers to those of PEW, so I'm confident that the numbers quoted here are as reliable as can be. Meanwhile, if you're going to call into question the numbers, it would be helpful to have more reliable ones, we don't need to go through the process of the methodologies of this and that argument and invalid this and collating that. It's pretty standard to suggest something more reliable and your failure to do so weakens your position. Hopefully this has addressed your concerns and I've not tried to ignore them or change the subject. " PEW research is the first answer which comes out of Google, I can tell you took ages there, wasted time? Probably, a massive amount? That depends on your ability to use Google. But as you will have seen when you googled for your latest attempt to tell other people how to think, there are a great many organisations with figures which are different to the one you plucked out of the search engine. You are again missing the point, those numbers are based on data with a fundamentally flawed collation method and are only reports of the desire to sound important of the organisations who were asked to contribute. You can keep demanding another set of numbers and doing so will continue to show that you do not understand the basic point of my reply. | |||
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" lol you sound so cute when you are pretending to be high and mighty. I mean which set of metrics do you want to pin your opinion to? There are multiple agencies publishing stats all of which differ significantly. All of which, like yours, pop up on the AI response to a Google search. All of whom rely on asking religious leaders to provide the stats for their own sect’s importance. I wonder how that goes? 😆 So let’s look at the basics. How were your stats collated and are they flawless? Your argument appears to rely on the argument that I need to give you a different number when I am actually arguing that the collation of these numbers is in itself fundamentally flawed and those numbers are only really useful as pro_aganda for the various sects. The unwillingness to pluck another number out the air does not invalidate my point, although I expect you will ignore this and go one to change the subject to avoid the parts of this you don’t feel able to give a suitable riposte to. I've wasted a massive amount of time finding the source, it's from the PEW research centre. It was never AI generated. On the way though, I found lots of other statistics which have very similar numbers to those of PEW, so I'm confident that the numbers quoted here are as reliable as can be. Meanwhile, if you're going to call into question the numbers, it would be helpful to have more reliable ones, we don't need to go through the process of the methodologies of this and that argument and invalid this and collating that. It's pretty standard to suggest something more reliable and your failure to do so weakens your position. Hopefully this has addressed your concerns and I've not tried to ignore them or change the subject. PEW research is the first answer which comes out of Google, I can tell you took ages there, wasted time? Probably, a massive amount? That depends on your ability to use Google. But as you will have seen when you googled for your latest attempt to tell other people how to think, there are a great many organisations with figures which are different to the one you plucked out of the search engine. You are again missing the point, those numbers are based on data with a fundamentally flawed collation method and are only reports of the desire to sound important of the organisations who were asked to contribute. You can keep demanding another set of numbers and doing so will continue to show that you do not understand the basic point of my reply. " There so much here that's just unnecessary. I saw that stats yesterday on Fbook, started a post on here, then had to go back to Fbook this morning to find the image, couldn't, had to google image a lot to eventually find it and then went and checked out the PEW website to make sure they were a legitimate source, it took a lot of time for me. " I can tell you took ages there, wasted time? Probably, a massive amount? That depends on your ability to use Google." What was the point of that? It's just rude. "your latest attempt to tell other people how to think" again, rude. "you plucked out of the search engine." Nope, and no need to be like that. "You can keep demanding" I'm not demanding and I understand your point, that doesn't mean it's a valid point though. Please stop being rude. | |||
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" There so much here that's just unnecessary. I saw that stats yesterday on Fbook, started a post on here, then had to go back to Fbook this morning to find the image, couldn't, had to google image a lot to eventually find it and then went and checked out the PEW website to make sure they were a legitimate source, it took a lot of time for me. " I can tell you took ages there, wasted time? Probably, a massive amount? That depends on your ability to use Google." What was the point of that? It's just rude. "your latest attempt to tell other people how to think" again, rude. "you plucked out of the search engine." Nope, and no need to be like that. "You can keep demanding" I'm not demanding and I understand your point, that doesn't mean it's a valid point though. Please stop being rude. " I notice you have used your faux outrage to totally avoid the subject matter, yet again. That said, this is my favourite diversion attempt so far. You are habitually rude, you habitually attack the person whilst ignoring the subject matter and you routinely present “facts” which are little more than your opinion dressed with accusations for anyone who dares to question you. Now you have taken a new tack which is pretending to be outraged by the tone of people questioning you despite how you address people in a routine manner. Your faux delicacy is transparent nonsense to anyone who reads your own work and just another attempt to deflect from the subject which you seem incapable of responding to. | |||
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" There so much here that's just unnecessary. I saw that stats yesterday on Fbook, started a post on here, then had to go back to Fbook this morning to find the image, couldn't, had to google image a lot to eventually find it and then went and checked out the PEW website to make sure they were a legitimate source, it took a lot of time for me. " I can tell you took ages there, wasted time? Probably, a massive amount? That depends on your ability to use Google." What was the point of that? It's just rude. "your latest attempt to tell other people how to think" again, rude. "you plucked out of the search engine." Nope, and no need to be like that. "You can keep demanding" I'm not demanding and I understand your point, that doesn't mean it's a valid point though. Please stop being rude. I notice you have used your faux outrage to totally avoid the subject matter, yet again. That said, this is my favourite diversion attempt so far. You are habitually rude, you habitually attack the person whilst ignoring the subject matter and you routinely present “facts” which are little more than your opinion dressed with accusations for anyone who dares to question you. Now you have taken a new tack which is pretending to be outraged by the tone of people questioning you despite how you address people in a routine manner. Your faux delicacy is transparent nonsense to anyone who reads your own work and just another attempt to deflect from the subject which you seem incapable of responding to." I've responded to the subject. What else do you need to be able to move on? | |||
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"People seem to have a very medieval childlike view of religion. This very old man with a long beard and crown, sitting on a gold throne, floating on a cloud, controlling us like puppets on strings. That myth flies out of the window in the first morning of the theology course. Things are very complex. Way beyond human understanding. Evolution explains a tiny amount. Got to be far more to it than that." If it's way beyond human understanding, with 'more to it than that', why do people follow a mythical character with such fervour, and zero evidence? It makes no sense at all. | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...?" There's a pretty well accepted definition of what god is. | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...?" I'll try: An imaginary, mythical entity that nobody has ever seen or heard from. Whilst some may claim to have done so, none have ever produced evidence. | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...? There's a pretty well accepted definition of what god is. " Whose god? There are many & varied, no one size fits all here | |||
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"People seem to have a very medieval childlike view of religion. This very old man with a long beard and crown, sitting on a gold throne, floating on a cloud, controlling us like puppets on strings. That myth flies out of the window in the first morning of the theology course. Things are very complex. Way beyond human understanding. Evolution explains a tiny amount. Got to be far more to it than that." We can barely pose the quesions, let alone provide the answers... We are looking into a room through a keyhole... we need to open the door to get a proper view! We are just not ready yet, maybe we never will be! Perhaps we never should... it maybe too terrifying! | |||
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"People seem to have a very medieval childlike view of religion. This very old man with a long beard and crown, sitting on a gold throne, floating on a cloud, controlling us like puppets on strings. That myth flies out of the window in the first morning of the theology course. Things are very complex. Way beyond human understanding. Evolution explains a tiny amount. Got to be far more to it than that. If it's way beyond human understanding, with 'more to it than that', why do people follow a mythical character with such fervour, and zero evidence? It makes no sense at all." Because it just is right? We are too dumb to understand the stories invented by man to control man, there is more to it, it’s complicated, there’s stuff going on, we can’t understand it, despite it being proscribed by man, implemented by man, enforced by man and preached by man. So quite why there is so much heed paid to something we don’t have the capacity to understand given that it is the 21st century…in some religions anyway, is beyond my understanding. | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...? There's a pretty well accepted definition of what god is. Whose god? There are many & varied, no one size fits all here " The commen definition for the present majority view is that 'god' is the fellow that created the universe and everything in it. In six days no less, give or take. Obviously there are other gods, but given that over half the worlds population (this number is subject to debate, but no one has yet to put forward a more accurate number, so it will stand until someone does) has the same god, it's a safe bet that when discussing god, that is the one being referred to. | |||
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"I would say the odds are less than 1% tbh. Cant be 0% as it's impossible to prove or disprove. With over 10,000 religions/gods in our history - Ricky Gervais explained it quite well - I'll para phrase. A christian, Muslim, Hindu etc doesn't believe in 99.9% of all gods. An atheist is the same but they just don't believe in "your god" too. "And agnostics don’t believe there is a god not to believe in. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. " Its that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today." Maybe so in the past, however how often do you see someone in the streets causing problems with another religion hardly ever, So who's is the cause of this it's the people with power who want more power and wealth, then they brain wash people to blame other religions and people follow like little minions, | |||
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"Yes and look at all the pain, suffering and death that “Religion” has been responsible for throughout history and is still going on today. Maybe so in the past, however how often do you see someone in the streets causing problems with another religion hardly ever, So who's is the cause of this it's the people with power who want more power and wealth, then they brain wash people to blame other religions and people follow like little minions, " So why do followers of religion harrass women outside abortion clinics at such a vulnerable time, or in the US to overturn long standing hard-earned laws that allow such terminations? | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...? There's a pretty well accepted definition of what god is. " Mile and a half wide face, huge beard, usually angry. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time." If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. | |||
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"In 2020 75.8% of the world’s population identified with a religion. " Was it football ? | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆" God told him…oh wait a minute… | |||
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"In 2020 75.8% of the world’s population identified with a religion. " Now we need a definition of ‘ identifies with’ means | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. " It’s not all about you. This is a separate conversation. | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. " There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. | |||
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"Religion(s) are born out of a belief in a God... Define God...? There's a pretty well accepted definition of what god is. Mile and a half wide face, huge beard, usually angry. " Ah yes. The simplistic medieval concept of God Re: A carving in Winchester [?] Cathedral, Michelangelo's ceiling of the Sistine Chapel | |||
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"Consider the vastness of our planet within the infinite universe. Do you believe that God visits our world each day to observe our individual actions? For instance, Islam instructs its followers to pray five times daily, warning that failure to do so may result in divine punishment. The Bible portrays God as perpetually vigilant, never resting. There are countless absurdities in these beliefs; however, on the flip side, it appears that some individuals can only be guided by religious doctrine. They even refrain from self-pleasure, fearing it to be sinful." But god is everywhere at once, so he doesn’t need to visit anyone or anywhere, he’s already there. | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time." No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute…" When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? " No, you didn’t. | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? No, you didn’t. " Thank you. Please restate your point, humour me and assume that I don't have a very good grasp on the English language. | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? No, you didn’t. Thank you. Please restate your point, humour me and assume that I don't have a very good grasp on the English language. " Mate, I really can’t be bothered going round in circles with you. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power?" To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly | |||
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"Consider the vastness of our planet within the infinite universe. Do you believe that God visits our world each day to observe our individual actions? For instance, Islam instructs its followers to pray five times daily, warning that failure to do so may result in divine punishment. The Bible portrays God as perpetually vigilant, never resting. There are countless absurdities in these beliefs; however, on the flip side, it appears that some individuals can only be guided by religious doctrine. They even refrain from self-pleasure, fearing it to be sinful. But god is everywhere at once, so he doesn’t need to visit anyone or anywhere, he’s already there. " So do you mean he is looking at our conversation right now? | |||
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"Science is the enemy of religion. If you believe that dinosaurs walked the earth you can't possibly believe in the Bible. Or can you? Sounds like your arse in two halves! Try answering your own question. Let's try Galileo Galilei, or are you going to be contrite? " That was rather silly of me. Please find it in your heart to forgive me. | |||
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" ....... So do you mean he is looking at our conversation right now? " If only he could find the time to make a short post in this thread he could settle the matter once and for all | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? No, you didn’t. Thank you. Please restate your point, humour me and assume that I don't have a very good grasp on the English language. Mate, I really can’t be bothered going round in circles with you." Once again, please don't call me mate. I'll take your lack of contribution as an affirmation that you have no more argument legs to stand on, you probably should have just admitted being wrong several posts ago. Alternatively, you could have just done the sensible, reasonable and decent thing and provided us all with more reliable statistics all the way back at the start. The fact that you didn't is either because there are none that meet your exacting standards or you tried and couldn't find any that were significantly different from mine. Nevermind, I'm sure you'll find someone else to argue with tomorrow. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. " . Sums it up nicely for you because it suits your position. And that's fine. We all have a choice in life. The figures are dated and totally misleading. Figures are compiled through those who are actually affiliated to a church or organisation. For instance, at our Church we have around ,12 affiliated members in one position or another. Our congregation of people attending varied from around 40;to 55;on average. One Church in one town. 60% of the believers not recorded. 🙂 | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly" Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash " . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. . Sums it up nicely for you because it suits your position. And that's fine. We all have a choice in life. The figures are dated and totally misleading. Figures are compiled through those who are actually affiliated to a church or organisation. For instance, at our Church we have around ,12 affiliated members in one position or another. Our congregation of people attending varied from around 40;to 55;on average. One Church in one town. 60% of the believers not recorded. 🙂 " The figures I saw are from 2025, but I fully accept that statistics have their problems. In the absence of any possibility for gaining any accurate statistics, one has to hang their hat on something. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable" The only problem with saying the figures are false is then having to demonstrate accurate figures, I'm not sure that a village congregation can be upscaled to be more accurately representative. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. . Sums it up nicely for you because it suits your position. And that's fine. We all have a choice in life. The figures are dated and totally misleading. Figures are compiled through those who are actually affiliated to a church or organisation. For instance, at our Church we have around ,12 affiliated members in one position or another. Our congregation of people attending varied from around 40;to 55;on average. One Church in one town. 60% of the believers not recorded. 🙂 The figures I saw are from 2025, but I fully accept that statistics have their problems. In the absence of any possibility for gaining any accurate statistics, one has to hang their hat on something. " . Well it does start a thread off on ridiculous note lol. I mean did they ask you?? Or me?? Nim in church every Sunday. No one asked me lol | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? No, you didn’t. Thank you. Please restate your point, humour me and assume that I don't have a very good grasp on the English language. Mate, I really can’t be bothered going round in circles with you. Once again, please don't call me mate. I'll take your lack of contribution as an affirmation that you have no more argument legs to stand on, you probably should have just admitted being wrong several posts ago. Alternatively, you could have just done the sensible, reasonable and decent thing and provided us all with more reliable statistics all the way back at the start. The fact that you didn't is either because there are none that meet your exacting standards or you tried and couldn't find any that were significantly different from mine. Nevermind, I'm sure you'll find someone else to argue with tomorrow. " Mate you can take what you like from it, this is becoming self obsessed to a point of tedium. Let’s face it not anything anyone says to you will make you think anything other than that which you have come to think. You ignore every point given to you then attack people for not making any points. There is only one thing which does not have a point, | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable The only problem with saying the figures are false is then having to demonstrate accurate figures, I'm not sure that a village congregation can be upscaled to be more accurately representative. " . Well I don't attend a village church lol. But I was proving that the method of obtaining these figures is massively at fault. Makes this thread ridiculous. To the point that as a Christian I don't even feel the need to Justify anything about the Christian Church | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable The only problem with saying the figures are false is then having to demonstrate accurate figures, I'm not sure that a village congregation can be upscaled to be more accurately representative. . Well I don't attend a village church lol. But I was proving that the method of obtaining these figures is massively at fault. Makes this thread ridiculous. To the point that as a Christian I don't even feel the need to Justify anything about the Christian Church " 👎👎👎 | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. . Sums it up nicely for you because it suits your position. And that's fine. We all have a choice in life. The figures are dated and totally misleading. Figures are compiled through those who are actually affiliated to a church or organisation. For instance, at our Church we have around ,12 affiliated members in one position or another. Our congregation of people attending varied from around 40;to 55;on average. One Church in one town. 60% of the believers not recorded. 🙂 The figures I saw are from 2025, but I fully accept that statistics have their problems. In the absence of any possibility for gaining any accurate statistics, one has to hang their hat on something. . Well it does start a thread off on ridiculous note lol. I mean did they ask you?? Or me?? Nim in church every Sunday. No one asked me lol" We often argue Davewill, and I totally support your point here and respect that you are making it from a position of religious belief meaning it is conceivable to say that it is in the interests of your group to turn the blind eye and not question. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable The only problem with saying the figures are false is then having to demonstrate accurate figures, I'm not sure that a village congregation can be upscaled to be more accurately representative. . Well I don't attend a village church lol. But I was proving that the method of obtaining these figures is massively at fault. Makes this thread ridiculous. To the point that as a Christian I don't even feel the need to Justify anything about the Christian Church " I'm not expecting you to justify anything, you're well spoken on here and a sensible person. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not." I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself" It can be questioned, but the god is the same regardless. | |||
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" Still nothing to add about my not addressing your point, or I did I address it adequately? It would be useful to know that I had. There is nothing further to say as you are just writing posts unconnected with reality and it’s a waste of time. No, that's another of your tricks when you've run out of arguments to make and can't win, you dismiss the whole affair and jump ship. You said I was deliberately not addressing your point, I addressed it more than once, yes or no? No, you didn’t. Thank you. Please restate your point, humour me and assume that I don't have a very good grasp on the English language. Mate, I really can’t be bothered going round in circles with you. Once again, please don't call me mate. I'll take your lack of contribution as an affirmation that you have no more argument legs to stand on, you probably should have just admitted being wrong several posts ago. Alternatively, you could have just done the sensible, reasonable and decent thing and provided us all with more reliable statistics all the way back at the start. The fact that you didn't is either because there are none that meet your exacting standards or you tried and couldn't find any that were significantly different from mine. Nevermind, I'm sure you'll find someone else to argue with tomorrow. Mate you can take what you like from it, this is becoming self obsessed to a point of tedium. Let’s face it not anything anyone says to you will make you think anything other than that which you have come to think. You ignore every point given to you then attack people for not making any points. There is only one thing which does not have a point, " So, I'm guessing you're not going to restate your point then. | |||
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"....and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth......blah ..blah..." You cannot be serious here. 
That quip went right over your head?
Ok, I'll explain.
Wales is not a sunny place to live normally. I called the sun 'so called'
as an exaggeration of the fact we hardly get a glimpse of it.
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself" Your point is interesting and the Hindu approach is very pragmatic which I really enjoy. I am not sure I agree entirely with your point about the three abrahamic religions though, they agree on the part that Islam calls Allah, Christians and Jews call Jaweh. Less agreement on the makeup around that, Islam doesn’t see the holy trinity with the big JC and the Ghost of Christmas yet to come, but the Jews see the ghostie as a thing but as an inherent part of Jaweh. I would argue that they see the same god, but in a different shape. The history of Burma/Myanmar might give an interesting insight into the Hindu approach to Buddha and why certain Hindu sects don’t really see eye to eye with Buddhism and others are a little more aligned. But that’s a bit beyond me at the moment although William Dalrymple’s superb book The Golden Road is a fantastic into to the topic. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself Your point is interesting and the Hindu approach is very pragmatic which I really enjoy. I am not sure I agree entirely with your point about the three abrahamic religions though, they agree on the part that Islam calls Allah, Christians and Jews call Jaweh. Less agreement on the makeup around that, Islam doesn’t see the holy trinity with the big JC and the Ghost of Christmas yet to come, but the Jews see the ghostie as a thing but as an inherent part of Jaweh. I would argue that they see the same god, but in a different shape. The history of Burma/Myanmar might give an interesting insight into the Hindu approach to Buddha and why certain Hindu sects don’t really see eye to eye with Buddhism and others are a little more aligned. But that’s a bit beyond me at the moment although William Dalrymple’s superb book The Golden Road is a fantastic into to the topic. " You have time to write all this but not to restate a simple point? Also, love the bit where you say "that's a bit beyond me", sums it up nicely. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself" . And science isn't messy? So many scientist all chasing the same answers but differ in their journeys or results. Common denominator?? People , all these criticisms is not relevant to the lord God. They are people squabbling. Squabbling about religion, about science, about borders, and just about anything else. Greed and power. Unfortunately they falsely hide behind an undeserving title | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable The only problem with saying the figures are false is then having to demonstrate accurate figures, I'm not sure that a village congregation can be upscaled to be more accurately representative. . Well I don't attend a village church lol. But I was proving that the method of obtaining these figures is massively at fault. Makes this thread ridiculous. To the point that as a Christian I don't even feel the need to Justify anything about the Christian Church 👎👎👎" I think that I understand you, you are a Christian so everything that you choose to believe in with no evidence to support it is fine. All the evidence that would contradict what you believe should be ignored. This indicates the closed minded attitude of Christian’s and indeed everyone who persists in religious belief. | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable" Ah yes but the 2000 year old science has been, through the scientific method of testing theories , disproved and no longer regarded as relevant other than in the evolution of science. | |||
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"Saw some stats earlier, 54% (give or take) of the world's population worship the same god (christianity and islam). This is only slightly over the 50/50 chance rate, i.e, tossing a coin. Heads there's a god, tales there isn't. Kind of sums it up nicely. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same god. These numbers are inaccurate as they count everyone in the community whether they are religious or not. I'd not agree "The Big 3" even follow the same god despite having the same historical root. When you delve into god and belief it's a minefield. For example, Christians see Jesus as God, but Muslims view him as a prophet. The Jewish see him as a Holy person but but neither god not prophet. So traight away these Religions do not agree about god. Now the Hindus, who are not from the Abraham Faith, mqny of them do see Jesus as an Avatar of god. But they also see Buddah as an Avatar of god. Buddhists do not. They do not believe in a god. However they have a fully recognised and organised religion. I guess what I am saying is Religion is sloppy, and messy. Bundling Christianity, Judaism and Islam together as the same god just because they have the same root origin is questionable in itself. And science isn't messy? So many scientist all chasing the same answers but differ in their journeys or results. Common denominator?? People , all these criticisms is not relevant to the lord God. They are people squabbling. Squabbling about religion, about science, about borders, and just about anything else. Greed and power. Unfortunately they falsely hide behind an undeserving title" Think this is prob the most common sense thing anyone on thisnthread has said | |||
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"All a load of tosh, the only religion i reckon makes any sense is the one where they worship the Sun, at least you can see it, and if that goes out, so do we. I live in Wales. Tell me more about this so called 'sun' of which you speak. It’s that little yellow round thing that appears in the sky from time to time. If you are from Manchester, how do you know? 😆 God told him…oh wait a minute… When the sun goes out so do we is exactly the case, and for the person who describes the sun as so called I will resist passing any comment on his sanity. The sun is approximately 1.3 million times the size of earth and fortunately it is predicted to burn for another 7 billion years. I doubt very much if any life will exist on earth when it is absorbed into the expanding dying sun which will happen over billions of years. Man is a tiny spec in the universe, so why has he invented all these gods were it not to exploit them in his own pursuit of power? To explain all the things that were unexplainable at the time possibly Well no, what did religion ever explain with even a modicum of accuracy? Just loads of rubbish like people being swallowed by whales or Moses opening the Red Sea for the Jews to escape from Egypt. I find it interesting that the supreme being had no qualms about closing that sea and drowning the Egyptian army, even as a child I found that pretty disgusting. Never ever a clue about radio waves or nuclear physics, just an endless stream of ballderdash . Or any other 2000 year old script you can pluck out lol. Love it you guys believing on science Would like me to list some of the bizarre 2000 yr old science claims??? See how ridiculous this thread is.? Starts with false figures quoted , and so far with challenging writings from over 2000;years ago lol. Laughable Ah yes but the 2000 year old science has been, through the scientific method of testing theories , disproved and no longer regarded as relevant other than in the evolution of science." so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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" You have time to write all this but not to restate a simple point? Also, love the bit where you say "that's a bit beyond me", sums it up nicely. " Shh now mate, you are just starting to sound increasingly bitter and irrelevant. | |||
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"No one is silly enough to suggest that science is always right, but over time errors will be exposed and rectified. Religion on the other hand has never predicted anything that proved to actually be true. One would have expected with their close affiliation with the supreme being the some clue to reality would have slipped through, but no." . Your knowledge of religion is next to nil. Why your not worth arguing with. But another phrase for errors were rectified is: They were wrong and exposed lol. Think your terminology exposes your bias | |||
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"No one is silly enough to suggest that science is always right, but over time errors will be exposed and rectified. Religion on the other hand has never predicted anything that proved to actually be true. One would have expected with their close affiliation with the supreme being the some clue to reality would have slipped through, but no.. Your knowledge of religion is next to nil. Why your not worth arguing with. But another phrase for errors were rectified is: They were wrong and exposed lol. Think your terminology exposes your bias " I have no intention of arguing with your enormous encyclical knowledge of science and religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very telling that you omit to support your position whatsoever that might be. | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣" Somerset is! | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is!" . And Norfolk 🤣🤣 | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is!. And Norfolk 🤣🤣" And the folks there sound the same. Coincidence? Have you ever been to Somerset and Norfolk at the same time? Exactly… | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is!. And Norfolk 🤣🤣" so is Lincolnshire | |||
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"No one is silly enough to suggest that science is always right, but over time errors will be exposed and rectified. Religion on the other hand has never predicted anything that proved to actually be true. One would have expected with their close affiliation with the supreme being the some clue to reality would have slipped through, but no.. Your knowledge of religion is next to nil. Why your not worth arguing with. But another phrase for errors were rectified is: They were wrong and exposed lol. Think your terminology exposes your bias I have no intention of arguing with your enormous encyclical knowledge of science and religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very telling that you omit to support your position whatsoever that might be." . No one's arguing. Just been laughing at a pointless thread. | |||
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"No one is silly enough to suggest that science is always right, but over time errors will be exposed and rectified. Religion on the other hand has never predicted anything that proved to actually be true. One would have expected with their close affiliation with the supreme being the some clue to reality would have slipped through, but no.. Your knowledge of religion is next to nil. Why your not worth arguing with. But another phrase for errors were rectified is: They were wrong and exposed lol. Think your terminology exposes your bias I have no intention of arguing with your enormous encyclical knowledge of science and religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very telling that you omit to support your position whatsoever that might be." . My omiting my stance on this subject tells you nothing. Maybe it's the voices talking in your head 🤣🤣🤣. I'm joking 🤪🤪 | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is!. And Norfolk 🤣🤣so is Lincolnshire " Good point, although Lincoln itself is very much not flat as my Hogmanay stumbles up steep hill towards the White Hart on many a New Year’s Eve can testify | |||
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" You have time to write all this but not to restate a simple point? Also, love the bit where you say "that's a bit beyond me", sums it up nicely. Shh now mate, you are just starting to sound increasingly bitter and irrelevant." You can't do it, this is brilliant, you've actually run out of argument, you never had a decent one to start with and now you've come to the bitter end. What's better is that you started it, criticising the stats and asking for sources and then finally realised that you're in the wrong and you're doing the old ad hominum thing, again, that you love to accuse everyone else of. How does that make you feel, what with your conflict addiction and all? | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is!" Only the Levels. The Mendips and Quantocks can be quite steep in places | |||
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"I thought this thread was about religion???" It was about religion, but it got taken off topic by a certain character who has an addiction to arguing. Meanwhile, there is no evidence that the old testament predicted Jesus and no evidence that the crucifixion of Jesus ever happened, may as well toss a coin. | |||
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" Sunni and Shia is one example. They seem to hate each other." Sunni and Shia used to get on. At least it looked like they did when they sang 'I got you babe.' | |||
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"Do you think the problem is religion or people who use religion to push their agenda and interests I think the people are the problem and if religions wasn’t there, humans will invent something to segment and persecute each others unfortunately " I think you have hit the nail right on the head | |||
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"Do you think the problem is religion or people who use religion to push their agenda and interests I think the people are the problem and if religions wasn’t there, humans will invent something to segment and persecute each others unfortunately " The problem is religion. Religion is the means by where people that want power have coercive control over people that have faith. True faith is a wonderful thing, whatever your faith may be. Religion seldom is though. | |||
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"Consider the vastness of our planet within the infinite universe. Do you believe that God visits our world each day to observe our individual actions? For instance, Islam instructs its followers to pray five times daily, warning that failure to do so may result in divine punishment. The Bible portrays God as perpetually vigilant, never resting. There are countless absurdities in these beliefs; however, on the flip side, it appears that some individuals can only be guided by religious doctrine. They even refrain from self-pleasure, fearing it to be sinful." You are assuming that a god or omnipotant being would necessary follow the same laws of physics and or logic that us humans do on our little rock third from the sun! | |||
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"Seems to me the only Zealots here are the unquestioning atheists. Interesting you use the term ‘ unquestioning’ why do you imagine that atheist folk have not thought it through and arrived at an atheist point of view through reasoning and questioning.. where does it leave agnosticism? Agnosticism is left sitting on the fence where it belongs. But it is more certain than atheism" false, do you even know what atheism means ? It is simply the rejection of the claim a god exists, nothing more, I'm atheist because I have seen heard experienced felt nothing to convince me a God exists, if your question is can I prove no God exists.. no it can't, but then I'm not required to prove no God exists, the burden of proof falls on the person making a claim, however there are claims made in the bible which ARE proven to be false. | |||
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"It seems to me that our belief or lack of it should be a reasoned conscious decision and tossing a coin will contribute nothing to this discussion." The point was that if half the population are right and half are wrong, in the total sum of human affairs and our destination after death, the same odds are reflected as in a coin toss. It puts an arbitrary outlook on things. | |||
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"so the world isn't flat then???? 🤣🤣🤣 Somerset is! Only the Levels. The Mendips and Quantocks can be quite steep in places" Good point, Porlock Hill! For some reason I never think of that when I think of Somerset. It’s a lovely part of the country. | |||
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"I thought this thread was about religion???" Nah it has become about the OP | |||
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"I thought this thread was about religion??? Nah it has become about the OP" Clearly not, the majority of my input has been in response to you trying to hijack it. | |||
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" Sunni and Shia is one example. They seem to hate each other. Sunni and Shia used to get on. At least it looked like they did when they sang 'I got you babe.'" Awesome. | |||
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"Do you think the problem is religion or people who use religion to push their agenda and interests I think the people are the problem and if religions wasn’t there, humans will invent something to segment and persecute each others unfortunately " …and that’s why we have racism, sexism, nationalism etc. Divide and conquer the ruling classes happy to encourage and foment division, keeps the proles busy whilst they steal their money | |||
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"I thought this thread was about religion??? Nah it has become about the OP Clearly not, the majority of my input has been in response to you trying to hijack it. " 😢 | |||
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