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"If you can live with the fact you are supporting the actions of a cheat, good for you. To me, people who have no respect for their lifelong partner are unlikely to show respect to anyone else, so no I won't attempt to meet them. And, as they are less likely to be regularly tested than guys who are not cheating, they are more likely to have nasties too (without knowing). The misogyny of their situation is also something I find hard to digest. The whole "pic swapping, knickers sharing, without the wife knowing" scene is the most off putting too. Cheaters are, to me, men without guts. " Thank you for your contribution. I’m almost certain no-one cares what you think about men who cheat on their partners, but at least you used some time and energy getting that negativity out of your head. | |||
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"The assumption is that the guy has told you they are married. Most do not" sometimes the name gives it away | |||
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"If you can live with the fact you are supporting the actions of a cheat, good for you. To me, people who have no respect for their lifelong partner are unlikely to show respect to anyone else, so no I won't attempt to meet them. And, as they are less likely to be regularly tested than guys who are not cheating, they are more likely to have nasties too (without knowing). The misogyny of their situation is also something I find hard to digest. The whole "pic swapping, knickers sharing, without the wife knowing" scene is the most off putting too. Cheaters are, to me, men without guts. Thank you for your contribution. I’m almost certain no-one cares what you think about men who cheat on their partners, but at least you used some time and energy getting that negativity out of your head. " Are you sure? The op asked a question. I simply answered it. He had asked the whole site, not just your little self. If you cannot deal with other views, stay offline, or stick to private messages. My opinion is as valid as yours, even if they differ. And you talk about my negativity... Sad sod. Get real. | |||
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"If you can live with the fact you are supporting the actions of a cheat, good for you. To me, people who have no respect for their lifelong partner are unlikely to show respect to anyone else, so no I won't attempt to meet them. And, as they are less likely to be regularly tested than guys who are not cheating, they are more likely to have nasties too (without knowing). The misogyny of their situation is also something I find hard to digest. The whole "pic swapping, knickers sharing, without the wife knowing" scene is the most off putting too. Cheaters are, to me, men without guts. Thank you for your contribution. I’m almost certain no-one cares what you think about men who cheat on their partners, but at least you used some time and energy getting that negativity out of your head. Are you sure? The op asked a question. I simply answered it. He had asked the whole site, not just your little self. If you cannot deal with other views, stay offline, or stick to private messages. My opinion is as valid as yours, even if they differ. And you talk about my negativity... Sad sod. Get real. " The usual ad hominen abuse. Why be abusive? I wasn’t. Why tell me what to do? I didn’t tell you. Perhaps you live alone and don’t have a life long partner so all the envious bile comes seething out in the forums. Who know? More to the point, who cares? | |||
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"Had cocks in my youth upto now. Didn’t have my first pussy until my mid 20s. Tbh the cock urges/cravings are hard to resist, and needs satisfying often. Had more cocks than pussy tbh Forgot to say, I married and a dad, meeting is trickier indeed. | |||
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" Are you sure? The op asked a question. I simply answered it. He had asked the whole site, not just your little self. If you cannot deal with other views, stay offline, or stick to private messages. My opinion is as valid as yours, even if they differ. And you talk about my negativity... Sad sod. Get real. " Perhaps before lashing out and attacking someone, first consider it breaks forum rules, then take time to step back from what you grasped as an opportunity to vent your judgmental opinion of others, including bringing up unrelated topics, and actually read what the OP wrote. The OP was NOT asking the whole site, he was asking for the opinion of other men married to a female who are fathers if they felt guilt about THEIR adultery, and how THEY dealt with it. So, unless you are presently married to a female and a father committing adultery, your opinion was not sought and is not valid. As far as it being morally wrong, that sounds very much like religion based bias, bigotry and hetero normality that, as a gay man, you are no doubt aware is discriminatory and harmful so should know better. Many gay guys post about sniffing jockstraps and other gay orientated variants of those other activities you voiced disgust at seeing in the Forum, the site includes bisexual in the identity option and there are no rules saying only homosexual sexual activity may be discussed. Like it or not, it is a shared space, learn to scroll by if it doesn't interest you. | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" As much as we don't like experiencing guilt, the emotion is there for a reason. If you have guilt it's because you are doing something you know you shouldn't be doing. The feeling of guilt is more valuable to you than the urge you have for sex, listen to it and ask yourself if you would like the type of person you would be without experiencing guilt. | |||
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"Guilt will always be there but the need for male company is overwhelming " This is where we fool ourselves into bypassing our guilt. It's not a 'need' for male company, it's a desire, nothing more. I get that it can be difficult to resist a desire, and one of the most simple tricks we use to justify giving in to it is by rebranding the desire as a need. | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" Then be honest with yourself, "her" as you refer to her and your "kid". Pleased to hear you adopted a goat. | |||
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"It’s easy for people to make judgements and have opinions and comment on others situations, but these are made with only the very basic information available and by people who aren’t experiencing the same. Consider this: no one - absolutely no one will change their behaviours no matter how barbed, vindictive and nasty anyones comments might be. Yes, you opine, yes, it’s a forum, yes, you don’t agree. You know what? Tough shit. " Not seen any barbed, vindictive and nasty comments recently on this thread. Also, people may change their behaviour in light of an insightful comment, especially with something so unpleasant as guilt. | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" Married here and way past the guilt stage. Tried to get the wifey to swing and broaden her horizon for years but in the end gave up. Realized that you truly and really only live ONCE and sex is not meant to be with just one person all your life. It's just not natural. So if cheating and sneaking around is the price to pay then so be it. I'm sure loads here will be judgemental and that's quite OK. | |||
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"I Have met many in that situation. Their private life is their own. We’re all here to NSA fun. Nothing more. As long as they don’t start saying theyre leaving their wives 🤣🤣" Isn’t that a judgement call no one can decide except for the two people involved? I could not carry on living a double life and the mental health issues that had plagued me since my teens were getting worse and affecting everyone around me. Eventually I found the courage to come out to my wife. I still am not sure whether it was to try and deal with my conscience or to meet her constant demands for honesty and openness. She did not take it well and five years later the abuse I was receiving daily was worse than ever. Naturally God was on her side and her church leaders demanded I attend reparative therapy (I was not part of their gang, although I did count many of them as friends) or she should divorce me. I knew where this downturn in depression was heading and I was not going back to that place where I was going to finish it and do the job properly this time. I felt backed into a corner with no other choice except to leave. Sometimes leaving is the best option although the pain caused to loved ones and the consequent guilt take a lot of work to get through. These days, decades later, life is good and I’m on good terms with her and the children who are all middle-aged now. Please don’t try to second guess what others live with. | |||
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"According to definitions I have seen for a sexless marriage, I can say I've been in one for twenty five years. We have been married for thirty years. She has refused to do anything about improving the situation and so has basically taken the decision, unilaterally, we won't be having sex. And she's been perimenopausal for the last two years and won't even go to the drs about her problems with that. It's never going to improve. Guilt on my part for meeting a guy maybe once a month? Not a fucking chance." I hear you and all that makes sense. But, what prevents you from leaving the relationship? What keeps you in the relationship. My X gf was assaulted and for various reasons she lost her labido. I tried to support her to fix it for a few years. She didn't want to try alternative treatments and sorta gave up. So I left the relationship. I'm much happier now. She seems to be too as it snapped her out of whatever was going on with her. Lots of you married guys are still quite young too. If I had kids , I would be outta there as soon as they finished school. Earlier if we were really unhappy. | |||
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"Some deep and honest responses in this thread, thank you for being able to share, hopefully you also found it cathartic Maybe some of your stories will provide hope to those feeling unhappy with their life looking to change it for an alternative, rather than the often desperate & tragic route So many of you appear to be loving and sensitive men trapped by your kind nature with wives that, although they may have justified sexual frigidity, some sound harsh, selfish & unkind - you deserve better. Those who passed judgement maybe are too bitter and narrow minded to appreciate the complexities of a situation that was entered into due to social & family pressures at the time, youth and naivety creating a hope they could suppress that side of themselves. A complexity often wound in decades of ever widening family and friendships behind an image, that I can only imagine, to now expose would feel like betrayal of enormous magnitude. Astounding that those who have lived experience of how difficult it is for most in coming out of the closet, yet have no empathy to those with far more challenging circumstances to overcome. Hopefully those that have told how they took the bravest of options in breaking free are open to messages from others looking for support. " While what you've written applies to some of the married people, it does not apply to all. Ultimately, every person that is being unfaithful to their partner is choosing to do so. | |||
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"According to definitions I have seen for a sexless marriage, I can say I've been in one for twenty five years. We have been married for thirty years. She has refused to do anything about improving the situation and so has basically taken the decision, unilaterally, we won't be having sex. And she's been perimenopausal for the last two years and won't even go to the drs about her problems with that. It's never going to improve. Guilt on my part for meeting a guy maybe once a month? Not a fucking chance. I hear you and all that makes sense. But, what prevents you from leaving the relationship? What keeps you in the relationship. My X gf was assaulted and for various reasons she lost her labido. I tried to support her to fix it for a few years. She didn't want to try alternative treatments and sorta gave up. So I left the relationship. I'm much happier now. She seems to be too as it snapped her out of whatever was going on with her. Lots of you married guys are still quite young too. If I had kids , I would be outta there as soon as they finished school. Earlier if we were really unhappy. " What prevents us splitting? Honestly, it comes down to money. If I walked out and gave her the house she would still want money regularly and no doubt get it, as well as future pensions I have. So fuck it, grin and live with it and get the sex I really want now and again and remain sane. I'm patiently waiting for the day when she might possibly suggest having sex. It's going to be be a cold day in hell before I say yes. | |||
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" While what you've written applies to some of the married people, it does not apply to all. Ultimately, every person that is being unfaithful to their partner is choosing to do so. " The thread is about those in sexless marriages, as was my response. Down to what type of marriage and vows the marriage was based on, plus that individuals interpretation on "unfaithful" in a situation where their partner has made the decision the marriage no longer includes sex. Male to male marriages seem more open to recognising that sexual interactions wane over time and that it does not need to be a monogamous partnership. On a less serious note Statistics show that Lesbian marriages have the highest divorce rate, followed by heterosexual marriages, the lowest is amongst gay men. The highest is two females, the second has one female, the lowest has no females, draw whatever conclusion you wish from that | |||
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" While what you've written applies to some of the married people, it does not apply to all. Ultimately, every person that is being unfaithful to their partner is choosing to do so. The thread is about those in sexless marriages, as was my response. Down to what type of marriage and vows the marriage was based on, plus that individuals interpretation on "unfaithful" in a situation where their partner has made the decision the marriage no longer includes sex. Male to male marriages seem more open to recognising that sexual interactions wane over time and that it does not need to be a monogamous partnership. On a less serious note Statistics show that Lesbian marriages have the highest divorce rate, followed by heterosexual marriages, the lowest is amongst gay men. The highest is two females, the second has one female, the lowest has no females, draw whatever conclusion you wish from that " I'm not sure the term 'unfaithful' is open to interpretation. If one person takes sex off the cards that doesn't justify being unfaithful. | |||
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"Married dad I have needs and the guilt I felt in the beginning is long past Healthy swingers sex life at home And super careful with my gay life Never meet at home Always safe sex Regularly wipe clean phone messages Massaging apps kept in separate folder and regularly deleted and reloaded....Inc fab guys Keep the rules and no one needs to be hurt" I agree . | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" Only way to find out is to unlock your profile. Better chance of meeting someone | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" I know I shouldn't but I can't help being interested in other men and gay porn. A small part of me hopes I make a mistake and she finds out. The thought of her leaving me is worrying but so erotic for me. No kids. | |||
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"I’m in a sexless marriage but have needs" Same here , never teied cock until the sex stopped at home . Ive always wanted to try it but never had the guts to do anything . Met some gteat men off this site , and can truly say I love all aspects of gay sex now . | |||
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"How do u feel about meeting I get guilty but the urge keeps happening as in a sexless marriage bit dont want upset her or kid" We’re only here once, this is not a dress rehearsal, enjoy your life, have sex, it’s part of our make up to enjoy it as best you can with whoever you can! | |||
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"If you can live with the fact you are supporting the actions of a cheat, good for you. To me, people who have no respect for their lifelong partner are unlikely to show respect to anyone else, so no I won't attempt to meet them. And, as they are less likely to be regularly tested than guys who are not cheating, they are more likely to have nasties too (without knowing). The misogyny of their situation is also something I find hard to digest. The whole "pic swapping, knickers sharing, without the wife knowing" scene is the most off putting too. Cheaters are, to me, men without guts. " . Really put off by judgemental people on any subject in any walk of life. If you approve, enjoy. If you can't approve, walk away. That's my policy | |||
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"I’m a married dad who likes to crossdress " And you do look very sexy x | |||
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"If you can live with the fact you are supporting the actions of a cheat, good for you. To me, people who have no respect for their lifelong partner are unlikely to show respect to anyone else, so no I won't attempt to meet them. And, as they are less likely to be regularly tested than guys who are not cheating, they are more likely to have nasties too (without knowing). The misogyny of their situation is also something I find hard to digest. The whole "pic swapping, knickers sharing, without the wife knowing" scene is the most off putting too. Cheaters are, to me, men without guts. . Really put off by judgemental people on any subject in any walk of life. If you approve, enjoy. If you can't approve, walk away. That's my policy " Yeh, the judgement isn't generally helpful. But the OP said he feels guilty and asked for opinions. The urges he has won't go away. He likes sex with men, he can't change that. What he can change is why he feels guilty. Which would require him to be honest with his partner. People get over things and she's not looking for sex anyway. Kids really don't want to know what their parents do in the bedroom.... It's probably far less of an issue than you think. As someone pointed out. You get one life, enjoy it. If living with the guilt seems easier then do that. I prefer to think of getting rid of emotional baggage like pulling off a band-aid. Sore for a few seconds, then no pain ever again... | |||
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"I'm obviously saying this as a single guy, so maybe the context is unavailable for me. But ultimately conversations have to be had to open relationships up when needed. Often sex can and should be considered a key part of relationships and sometimes that means open relationships or even hall passes need to be spoken about. Modern society and religion just forces everyone into hetro normative relationships and that works for a lot of people but it's just not the case for a lot of people too." Yes, the context is clearly unavailable to you. You are entitled to your opinion but it is without context or experience. It therefore comes over as condescending. Just my opinion. | |||
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"Nice men they are." Yoda, get lost! | |||
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"Any other dads not working this afternoon? I will be crossdressing " What time? Please message me. | |||
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"I'm a 74 year old hubby, Dad and Grandfather and I've been been married for over 50 years. For 25 years of that marriage I have also been having lots of sensual fun with other guys many of whom are local buddies who I enjoy having fun with whenever I can. I don't have sex with my wife anymore and haven't had sex with her for a long time as my preference these days is for cock to be honest but having said that I'd like to meet a couple so that I could have some pussy fun too. I don't feel guilty about my situation as it is my own business as long as noone is hurt and damaged. I love my family deeply but I can't deny the fact that I have feelings for other men and those feelings are nearly always about the sexual dynamic. Occasionally I meet guys who offer an emotional aspect as well. I couldn't ever give up my lifestyle and I have no intention of doing so. Guilt is a destructive emotion and my advice is value yourself and be your own person and don't ever let other people change who you are. Happy fabbing guys x" Guilt can be a destructive emotion, any emotion can be, it's not unique to guilt. As unpleasant as guilt is, it has much the same function as pain, to let us know that something is wrong. Ignoring pain is done so at one's peril, guilt is no different, beware! | |||
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"Married dad I have needs and the guilt I felt in the beginning is long past Healthy swingers sex life at home And super careful with my gay life Never meet at home Always safe sex Regularly wipe clean phone messages Massaging apps kept in separate folder and regularly deleted and reloaded....Inc fab guys Keep the rules and no one needs to be hurt" I've got an honest question. If you've already opened up your relationship to dip into swinging, the communication between you two must be really strong. So why did you decide to hide this aspect from her? Surely if the communication is there, telling her you're into guys as well as women would be something to celebrate between the two of you, no? | |||
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"I used to have guilt but no longer. I'm in a no sex marriage and I still have needs so what's the alternative?" They are not needs, they are desires, the alternative is not to act on your desires. | |||
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"I used to have guilt but no longer. I'm in a no sex marriage and I still have needs so what's the alternative?" I bet it takes a lot of stress off and probably makes your situation easier to deal with. Possibly you easier to live with? It is only sex, after all. | |||
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