FabGuys.com forum: Faggot

By *ndyG72 OP Man
3 weeks ago

Blantyre

Does anyone find the word faggot or fag or offensive?. I often offer my self as a bottom fag

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By *obbertMan
3 weeks ago

In a world of my own

Not unduly offensive, it’s all relative?

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

If it's used to cause offence then yes it's offensive. Its an old fashioned word that was primarily used to cause offence. Adopted by some in the gay community in the same way the N word was adopted by some in the black community as a way to disable the offensiveness. Personally I dont like the word, and anyone calling me won't come off well, but if your thing is to be belittled, you go ahead.

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By *tephanie SomtimesTV/TS
3 weeks ago

South Derbyshire

I like the word, I feel it applies to me . I'm not offended at all.

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By *ristol_Speedo_guyMan
3 weeks ago

Bristol

Is it a cheep lousy one?

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By *ensualblokeMan
3 weeks ago

Colchester/London

Surprised these words have any real power any longer to be honest.

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By *SAOFMan
3 weeks ago

Work/Play in London, live in Kent

I remember when I was first called a faggot. It was by my aunt who was a mother-superior. I was 7 and she was tickling me mercilessly, only giving me a rest when she took to tickling my 5 year old sister. When she used the word even at our early age we both knew it was a bad word. My sister told my mother later and my mother explained it was a funny old fashioned word for a fool - and only a joke. “Young people use it to mean other things” mother continued so even if our aunt meant no harm we probably should avoid using the word.

The origin of the slur use developed from the original meaning of a twig, branch, kindling and may have been from a Tudor-era insult to a thin woman or even from the bunches of faggots-as-kindling used as fuel in the burning-at the stake of witches and heretics.

It much more likely came from sounding like a Yiddish word meaning little-bird itself used to denote an effeminate man in that language.

I don’t use it often. Until last year I would say I used it never. But I listen to a pod cast which includes the phrase “noted exponent of faggotry” as a self-descriptor of the hosts and even some guests on occasion. I’d like to be a noted faggot I decided and so I have used the phrase on occasion.

I have never been offended by gay men using it to describe themselves or their mates. I only will use it jovially as a self-descriptor though and for this reason “faggot” is present though rare in my vocal - but I don’t think I would ever reach into my word-bank and choose “fag”.

Though just as the N word can only be used by those reclaiming it and not by use pasty white boys like me, I don’t think it is ever appropriate for non-members of the gender, sexuality and relationship minority communities to use the word.

This big-gay-queer-homosexual-puff captain-of-faggotry wishes you happy reclaiming if that is your vibe and totally gets it if eschewing the phrase is more your jam.

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By *ildwestheroMan
3 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

One of the few derogatory words that I do find offensive. Many years ago some idiot kept calling a couple of mates and myself faggots in a pub. As far as I know my two mates were straight. In a rare fit of violence I eventually decked him. Cheered by some of the other customers. Fully expected to get barred but the landlord said he didn't see anything.

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By *ayPonty1Man
3 weeks ago

Pontypridd

Not in the slightest, if for example we're talking about that Pogues song .

Otherwise not really. It's an American term, why would I be offended by being called a large meat ball?

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By *nyonethereMan
3 weeks ago

Aberdeen

Never been offended by being called a faggot, in fact I'm proud to be called it and knowing that men know I'm a faggot makes it easier to get their cocks into me

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By *orcester GuyMan
3 weeks ago

Worcestershire North

It’s another American word adopted over here

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By *luttyzoeTV/TS
3 weeks ago

worcester

I quite like the term, I often refer to myself as a faggot x

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By *ubmybelly20Man
3 weeks ago

Peterborough

It's offensive ... all the self loathing closets will love it as they feel worthy of such a slur. Would the op ask a forum of black people if they like the n word?

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By *Bbottom123Man
3 weeks ago

Leicester

Love being called it and anything else to verbally abuse me

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By *arcus BezzantMan
3 weeks ago

North Ayrshire

No, it's an American term, not used in Britain, in fact most British people probably associate it with Mr Brain's Faggotts.

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By *ubmybelly20Man
3 weeks ago

Peterborough

"Love being called it and anything else to verbally abuse me "

So we are agreed it's a term of abuse then? Like we dont face enough of that from outside of the community?

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By *usan 749ukTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Bangor

Doesn’t bother me at all but I’m not very easily offended

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By *ove2suck555Man
3 weeks ago

dundee

Same xxx

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By *Bbottom123Man
3 weeks ago

Leicester

"Love being called it and anything else to verbally abuse me

So we are agreed it's a term of abuse then? Like we dont face enough of that from outside of the community?"

Anything derogatory for me thank you xx

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By *andomguy321Man
3 weeks ago

reading

Language is all about the context in which it is used, isn't it.

I don't find any word intrinsically offensive.

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By *airless-slutMan
3 weeks ago

London

I love being called "faggot" while I'm sucking cock and being spanked, but also aware some other people might find it offensive.

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By *iley_Starr115TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Glasgow

Depends on the context. If a guys calls me a faggot on the street he'll be swallowing his teeth.

If he's balls deep in my guts however

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By *ickSeekerMan
3 weeks ago

Canterbury

Not being a native speaker I simply learnt throughout the years it was colloquial, slang, derogative, and then offensive 🙄. I have no proper feel for the term, so I just adapt its use s per the times

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By *oger1234Man
3 weeks ago

Salisbury

I find it very offensive and disrespectful to be a Gay guy and get called that I’d probably get arrested for smacking the person that called me one.

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By *ingslynnMan
3 weeks ago

Grantham

I dont take offense at all. In fact it turns me on along with other naughty words

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By *amieforfun1973TV/TS
3 weeks ago

bognor regis

As above I like to be humiliated and degraded, faggot makes me feel even more submissive

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By *obbertMan
3 weeks ago

In a world of my own

I’m not easily offended , I’ve lived in Australia!

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By *ndyG72 OP Man
3 weeks ago

Blantyre

It looks like a mixed response on the word. Just to be clear I don’t use it with the intent to offend anyone.

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By *orth_London_Guy100Man
3 weeks ago

London

I like the word and, in the right circumstances, like being called it.

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

"It looks like a mixed response on the word. Just to be clear I don’t use it with the intent to offend anyone. "

It does seem that many of those who dont mind the word want to be called it to be demeaned, turned into scum, relegated to a mere worthless fuck hole void of humanity, by someone, who by using the term in a sexually dominant role, is asserting authority over the fuck hole. Pleasant. Out of context it is a violent slur and could illicit a violent response. Comparison to the N word is apt.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

That people still get offended at words nowadays, is what I find offensive.

It might sound parody, but its true.

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By *ager_to_pleaseTV/TS
3 weeks ago

East Anglia

I'm fine being called a lot of things (since I'm a subby sissy) but I just cannot stand that word. Total turn off for me 🤷‍♀️

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

"That people still get offended at words nowadays, is what I find offensive.

It might sound parody, but its true. "

So youre not offended by any words, regardless of the intent?

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By *treyu500Man
3 weeks ago

wickow

"Language is all about the context in which it is used, isn't it.

I don't find any word intrinsically offensive.

I have to agree. Although some words are more triggering to to the individual. Context really matters.

When I was in school, the words faggot and queer was purely offensive and thrown around a lot. Being closeted bi I never used those words because I knew how they made me feel and I didn't want to hurt others even if using them would have helped me to hide my sexuality.

But , "the community" has reclaimed those words a bit now and taken the power out of it. Its a bit like black people using the N word.

So , context really matters. I still don't use those words because I don't like them personally due to my past. But I don't care if others use them to describe themselves. Context.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

"That people still get offended at words nowadays, is what I find offensive.

It might sound parody, but its true.

So youre not offended by any words, regardless of the intent?"

No.

I might find someone's words distasteful or upsetting but not offensive.

What are we to do with someone who speaks words that are "offensive"? Purify them through punishment? Banish them from mediums that allow them to voice their opinions or words?

I say no to both of those.

Context can be everything, and it can be moot also.

In order to be able to think and evolve, we must be able to use words/phrases that not everyone likes or some deem offensive.

What happens when a group of people can gain power without the risk of losing it, due to their ability to be offended at every turn? Quelling anyone who talks out about it, that their rise to power is not a good thing, through offense.

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

"That people still get offended at words nowadays, is what I find offensive.

It might sound parody, but its true.

So youre not offended by any words, regardless of the intent?

No.

I might find someone's words distasteful or upsetting but not offensive.

What are we to do with someone who speaks words that are "offensive"? Purify them through punishment? Banish them from mediums that allow them to voice their opinions or words?

I say no to both of those.

Context can be everything, and it can be moot also.

In order to be able to think and evolve, we must be able to use words/phrases that not everyone likes or some deem offensive.

Yes, there are plenty who revel in, and actively seek out being offended. Where would you draw the line at words being used at you that are personally upsetting vs the same words being used at you being offensive? In that context doesn't upsetting and offensive mean the same thing? Isn't it offensive to use words with the intent to cause upset?

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By *poolBiTopMan
3 weeks ago

Liverpool

It's a word I'd only use in context of a meet and with those who want to hear it. If anyone found it or any word offensive wouldn't use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

No.

I might find someone's words distasteful or upsetting but not offensive.

What are we to do with someone who speaks words that are "offensive"? Purify them through punishment? Banish them from mediums that allow them to voice their opinions or words?

I say no to both of those.

Context can be everything, and it can be moot also.

In order to be able to think and evolve, we must be able to use words/phrases that not everyone likes or some deem offensive.

So the line drawn, is usually always at calls to violence.

What if words are intentionally used to cause upset? What does that warrant in return? A punishment?

If they have no other intention behind the words, other than to upset, without a greater cause. Then, just don't converse with the person causing upset.

If someone is offended, does or should that warrant a punishment to person who caused it?

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By *ot older guyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

exmouth

"Does anyone find the word faggot or fag or offensive?. I often offer my self as a bottom fag"

I dont find any words offensive because im not a melt and dont take myself to seriously and have a sense of humour,but i guess thats an age thing

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

No.

I might find someone's words distasteful or upsetting but not offensive.

What are we to do with someone who speaks words that are "offensive"? Purify them through punishment? Banish them from mediums that allow them to voice their opinions or words?

I say no to both of those.

Context can be everything, and it can be moot also.

In order to be able to think and evolve, we must be able to use words/phrases that not everyone likes or some deem offensive.

So the line drawn, is usually always at calls to violence.

What if words are intentionally used to cause upset? What does that warrant in return? A punishment?

If they have no other intention behind the words, other than to upset, without a greater cause. Then, just don't converse with the person causing upset.

If someone is offended, does or should that warrant a punishment to person who caused it?"

So you accept someone can upset you without any consequence, andnits not about them as your feelings are yours to deal with on your own? You'd just remove yourself. What if you couldn't. Its an interesting theory that nobody should be offended by anything anyone else says regardless of intent, but human nature might see things differently. It would theoretically require the same response across the entire range of human emotion, negative and positive.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

Yes.

This is what I was getting at. The idea of offense is that there should be a punishment or consequence for said offense.

Someone can take criticisms as offensive, criticisms are crucial for societal evolution. Without them, we devolve and let anyone who gets offended more win.

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

Yes.

This is what I was getting at. The idea of offense is that there should be a punishment or consequence for said offense.

Someone can take criticisms as offensive, criticisms are crucial for societal evolution. Without them, we devolve and let anyone who gets offended more win.

There's a massive difference between criticism and words used specifically to cause offense. If there's no consequences for using language that causes offense, it's a race to the bottom. Not causing offense is closely linked to good manners and shared humanity. They're our guardrails. If we ditch those we're doomed. I've only ever known the word faggot be used to violently cause offense. I dont mind if someone refers to themselves using it, but because of my experience of the word it's not one i'd ever use, even if I intentionally wanted to cause offense. I dont think humans will ever get to a place where nobody is ever offended by anything at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

There isn't really a massive difference. In an ideal world there would be, but there isn't. Peoples perceived reality differ vastly.

You use the word "faggot" as an example. Yet earlier on in this same thread, someone mentioned how it was used in an entirely different usage and definition.

If there was a universal punishment for using "offensive" words, then that scenario would have led to an injustice.

If one person perceives an offense, does that trump any and all other words that could be said otherwise?

As for consequences, what should they be and who should govern the severity of them? Who also decides if a persons perceived offense is genuine and not malicious in and of itself?

Communities have tended to self govern this, over the last eon of humanity, somewhat unintentionally. If there is a bad actor in a community, they generally get shunned socially.

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford

There isn't really a massive difference. In an ideal world there would be, but there isn't. Peoples perceived reality differ vastly.

You use the word "faggot" as an example. Yet earlier on in this same thread, someone mentioned how it was used in an entirely different usage and definition.

If there was a universal punishment for using "offensive" words, then that scenario would have led to an injustice.

If one person perceives an offense, does that trump any and all other words that could be said otherwise?

As for consequences, what should they be and who should govern the severity of them? Who also decides if a persons perceived offense is genuine and not malicious in and of itself?

Communities have tended to self govern this, over the last eon of humanity, somewhat unintentionally. If there is a bad actor in a community, they generally get shunned socially. "

Nobody is talking about universal punishment for using language someone might find offensive. The self governing thing is relevant - it stops people using language which they know could be offensive. If there are no rules, it becomes a free for all, and there would be no justice for anyone in a race to the bottom. "Your handwriting is difficult to read", "tell the chef the chicken was overcooked" is criticism. "You're a worthless cock sucking faggot", "your wife/daughter is a slut bike she's had so much cock", "your family are scum", are offensive if said to cause anger or upset. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere. Self moderation seems to work for most people but problems happen when words are used to stir hatred.

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By *hy guy 74TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Spennymoor

I love being called a faggot

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By *ield916TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Worcester park

Mee too I love it

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By *achaelHTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Bosworth

Personally I like mine with peas and gravy

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By *hyna HutchMan
3 weeks ago

valleys

I prefer it to sheep shagger.

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By *ocklover1456Man
2 weeks ago

sheffield

Turns me on being called a fag during sex

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By *aregay31Man
2 weeks ago

Marchwood Southampton

no real feelings to the them word. however I do love faggots covered in a nice onion gravy.

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By *ack4more500Man
2 weeks ago

Muff

I love been called a faggot as im sucking cock and swallowing cum

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By *treyu500Man
2 weeks ago

wickow

"no real feelings to the them word. however I do love faggots covered in a nice onion gravy. "

Ha ha, I keep thinking of that old Birdseye faggots add from the 70s.

"Kids love birdseye faggots"

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