FabGuys.com forum: Another U turn : digital id.

By *ammy39 OP Man
6 weeks ago

Glenrothes

So now no digital i.d. For workers in the UK. More Starmer crap!

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By *1CrowMan
6 weeks ago

Sandhurst

Translation : Starmer derangement syndrome

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By *LASGOW 60s GUYMan
6 weeks ago

Glasgow

Believe it when you see it - not before. All talk, no action

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By *opcock58Man
6 weeks ago

Helston

Can anyone remind me of anything they said they going to do and carried it through apart from shafting the nation of course.

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By *irsutemaleMan
6 weeks ago

notts

Labour is like throwing seeds to chickens. The frenzy of not knowing which seed to peck at next

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By *se_my_assMan
6 weeks ago

Erdington

I dont rhink he's in control at all. Somebody pulls his strings and he just says stuff depending on which way the wind blows. Aside from it not being in the manifesto, digital id was never a sensible if you belive you live in a democratic and free country.

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By *ildwestheroMan
6 weeks ago

Llandrindod Wells

Shame really. Farage said he would rather go to prison than accept digital ID. I was looking forward to seeing him cuffed and marched off to Belmarsh

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By *laireKTV/TS
6 weeks ago

Manchester

Digital ID is Blair's baby anyway.

He failed to get it across the line when in power. So now he has puppet Starmer doing his bidding.

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By (user no longer on site)
6 weeks ago

Its hugely expensive, unpopular and effectively already in place.

Govt and govt agencies have all the info they need.

Driving licencing, NHS, DWP, Councils,even loyalty cards have or can get all info about you.

This includes your banking.

Having all that info collected into one place for lots of organisations and even individuals to access, do you think that data would be safe ?

The DWP and others now have secret access to your bank statements.

You dont need to be on benefits for this to happen.

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By *upertedMan
6 weeks ago

Nelson

I do expect better but no different to previous Government.

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By *ensualblokeMan
6 weeks ago

London /Colchester

He knew this was always unpopular, so given just how his personal popularity is sinking, by removing the threat of Digital ID will appear to be 'doing what the people want'. Textbook stuff from this utterly useless twat.

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By *evanianMan
6 weeks ago

Gogledd Ddwyrain Cymru

Another flip by Captain Hindsight, So many U-turns that now he's suffering from rotational vertigo, he's obviously a spinning top!

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By *ocky30Man
6 weeks ago

Wellingborough

"... The DWP and others now have secret access to your bank statements.

You dont need to be on benefits for this to happen."

It's not quite that simple - there has to be a justified reason for them to ask the banks for information, and the banks can only supply limited information (according to a mate who works for a bank).

Not defending the government at all but sometimes it pays to look a little further than a clickbait headline on social media.

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By *anw33Man
6 weeks ago

liverpool

'Labour are always changing,' much fume

'Labour are intransigent,' much fume

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By *athCDTV/TS
6 weeks ago

Morpeth

When the nutters in Starmers cabinet have another proposal put in front of them, doesn't anyone have the wit to think " Is this a good idea?" EG when they withheld the winter fuel allowance didn't anyone say we are hitting the people who get off their arses and vote

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By (user no longer on site)
6 weeks ago

The DWP and others now have secret access to your bank statements.

You dont need to be on benefits for this to happen.

This is not social media click bait its fact, and i have first hand experience of it

Almost 9 million claimant bank accounts to be put under continuous surveillance.

Published: 30 November 2023

The DWP is to begin continuous surveillance of the bank accounts of all pension credit, universal credit and employment and support allowance claimants using powers under a bill currently going through Parliament. The department have said that they intend to use their new power to force any third party to pass on data to them more widely in the future.

The new Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Act—nicknamed the FEAR Act—quietly expanded government surveillance powers to an unprecedented level. While sold as a tool to combat benefit fraud, the Act gives authorities sweeping access to financial records, digital transactions, and online behaviour.

Under this act it is illegal for the banks to inform You that authorities ( and theres quite a list of them) is seeing your bank records.

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By *en_onMan
6 weeks ago

Sutton Coldfield

I have never claimed any benefits so am not versed on the finer workings of such claims, however even I know that you have to declare savings and investments when making a claim for most of the different benefits on offer. So im no fan of this government but to me it's absolutly right that if people are to receive the publics money in the form of benefits then there has to be 100% transparency with regards to their circumstances including their bank accounts. Sound sensible governance me thinks.

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By *ammy39 OP Man
6 weeks ago

Glenrothes

"I have never claimed any benefits so am not versed on the finer workings of such claims, however even I know that you have to declare savings and investments when making a claim for most of the different benefits on offer. So im no fan of this government but to me it's absolutly right that if people are to receive the publics money in the form of benefits then there has to be 100% transparency with regards to their circumstances including their bank accounts. Sound sensible governance me thinks."

Just have a floor/wall safe or keep it under the mattress with minimum amount in a bank account. It's the poor mans Cayman Islands Account

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By *rancd2TV/TS
6 weeks ago

Wolverhampton

"The DWP and others now have secret access to your bank statements.

You dont need to be on benefits for this to happen."

If you are claiming benefits or trying to commit fraud (eg underpaying tax etc) by saying you have less money than you actually do, then you must be pretty stupid to ‘hide’ it in a bank, so you deserve to get caught.

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By *espectdueMan
6 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon

"Shame really. Farage said he would rather go to prison than accept digital ID. I was looking forward to seeing him cuffed and marched off to Belmarsh"

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By *andomguy321Man
6 weeks ago

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Must be very embarrassing for the Labour spokesmen who have to go out and defend/justify these hairbrained policy announcements on MSM ... Only for them to be shelved/watered-down before they actually come into effect.

And then have to do the media rounds all over again, only to defend/justify the Climbdown/U-Turn.

Makes them look like right mugs.

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By *ldmanMan
6 weeks ago

Rawcliffe Bridge.

No.

The digital I.D. has been pushed since Phoney Blairs government and is on the "hidden" Liebour manifesto, so I'm certain it will resurface under a new name.

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By *andomguy321Man
6 weeks ago

reading

"Shame really. Farage said he would rather go to prison than accept digital ID. I was looking forward to seeing him cuffed and marched off to Belmarsh

Careful what you wish for ... Martyrdom would do wonders for his profile and give him and his party a huge boost in publicity/popularity.

'Free Nigel' posters and flags would pop up immediately ...alongside the 'Stazi-Starmer' ones.

Worked well for Nelson Mandela, right.

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By *aelstromMan
6 weeks ago

Doncaster

"Another flip by Captain Hindsight, So many U-turns that now he's suffering from rotational vertigo, he's obviously a spinning top! "
..Doubt if he's a top.

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By *ickSeekerMan
6 weeks ago

Canterbury

In favour of a national ID card. If Digital is/was an additional *option* on top of a physical document, fine, but not quite so keen if Digital was the *only* medium.

Oh well, moot point now 😕

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By *andomguy321Man
6 weeks ago

reading

If Starmer fell into a barrel of dicks ... He'd come out sucking his own thumb.

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By *laireKTV/TS
6 weeks ago

Manchester

"No.

The digital I.D. has been pushed since Phoney Blairs government and is on the "hidden" Liebour manifesto, so I'm certain it will resurface under a new name. "

Blair spent about a billion on a waste of time pilot when in power.

He is best mates with one of the worlds richest men, the boss of Oracle... Who just so happens to be a big fan of digital ID.

It's all big money and power, and fuck off to the ordinary citizen.

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By (user no longer on site)
6 weeks ago

Yes the DWP wants to catch benefits cheats.

But a major problem is with tax thresholds being frozen for so long, poor people on li.ited fixed incomes or little side hustles like ebay etc are being brought into the tax net.

Anysign of regular payments etc will draw attention, even if you are not on benefits.

The visibility of your bank payments ie subscriptions to presure groups, news outlets charities etc could at some time cause issues.

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By *matoMan
6 weeks ago

somewhere around there

"If Starmer fell into a barrel of dicks ... He'd come out sucking his own thumb. "

I have to remember that one!

Fae better than "he wouldn't knbow how to organise an orgy in a whoerhouse"

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By *onMan
6 weeks ago

Bispham, Blackpool.

The digital ID is already being introduced by the back door.

There is the new GOV. UK ONE LOGIN app which is currently being used for things like on line change of address on driving licence etc which they say is to prove your ID which involves a face recognition scan.

They state that it has limited use at the moment in it's beta version but in the future it will be your main access to Customs and Revenue and DWP matters etc.

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By *lackbootzMan
6 weeks ago

Hayes, Middx

"'Labour are always changing,' much fume

'Labour are intransigent,' much fume"

‘Labour get something [anything] right’, less fume.

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By *lexieMan
6 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton

"Digital ID is Blair's baby anyway.

He failed to get it across the line when in power. So now he has puppet Starmer doing his bidding.

I heard Blair and his son own a company facilitating digital ID. They would/will make billions out of it! I wonder why self serving toxic Blair is promoting the idea?

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By *lexieMan
6 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton

"Another flip by Captain Hindsight, So many U-turns that now he's suffering from rotational vertigo, he's obviously a spinning top! "

I totally agree, but sadly... he is the best we have! We are fecked!

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By *lexieMan
6 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton

You may well be right, certain elements of the general public (including MP's) are not adverse to robbing the public purse! The contention is that the rest of us just don't trust UK governments to use these powers without abusing them!

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By *lexieMan
6 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton

"If Starmer fell into a barrel of dicks ... He'd come out sucking his own thumb. "

Oh, stop it Rodney... That image is burned into my head now!!!

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By *opcock58Man
6 weeks ago

Helston

Just get rid of all government. The civil service run the country anyway behind the scenes.

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By *hubbyGinger76Man
6 weeks ago

Halesowen

Digital ID would never have worked and cost a fortune. Better to cancel now than after spending a fortune on half a system like HS2

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By *ldmanMan
6 weeks ago

Rawcliffe Bridge.

The digital I.D. Will be now done in stages, as they have four years to achieve this, but will not be called "Digital I.D.",but you will have to have a form of digital ID, to access NHS, and other services such as free prescriptions, free eye test, etc, etc.

Phoney Blair promised Brussels and WEF, he would "implement" this.

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By *astersteve906Man
6 weeks ago

Near Lutterworth

"Digital ID would never have worked and cost a fortune. Better to cancel now than after spending a fortune on half a system like HS2"

Totally agree as a lifetime railway engineer HS2 was never viable and money would have been better spent expanding the current network which would have attracted more customers

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By *ammy57TV/TS
6 weeks ago

Stevenage

"The digital I.D. Will be now done in stages, as they have four years to achieve this, but will not be called "Digital I.D.",but you will have to have a form of digital ID, to access NHS, and other services such as free prescriptions, free eye test, etc, etc.

Phoney Blair promised Brussels and WEF, he would "implement" this. "

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By *espectdueMan
6 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon

Phoney Blair promised Brussels and WEF, he would "implement" this. "

Of course he did.

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By *opcock58Man
6 weeks ago

Helston

Phoney Blair promised Brussels and WEF, he would "implement" this. "

Since when has a politicians promise meat a dam thing? Especially Tony liar

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By *ammy57TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

3 billion on exploration and consultants so far.

Evry time you change job , apply for work or loan, take a membership, change flat, are checked by police, some one some where, (usually USA and probably Larry Ellison's Oracle), will get paid .

Initial estimate, a pound a time.

Forever.

And if the data is wrong, (like when the in initially digitised fingerprints, or remember Horizon scandal? )

Good luck with redress. You will be an acceptable error rate with zero recourse to compensation.

Ask your MP what the acceptable error rate is?

They have not disclosed one. And there is no way, on current trends, for govt to ever rescind the contract.

And for what benefit?

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By *avewill1Man
3 weeks ago

melksham

Phoney Blair promised Brussels and WEF, he would "implement" this.

So having tried to start this gravy train officially four times and each time getting overwhelming opposition, they have essentially said, "well we are doing it anyway just, we will stop pretending it's something people want.""
. With all the failures, bullying by Liebour, Starmer now in disgrace. Worst candle since war , you have to ask the question why hasn't cabinet ministers resigned? Force his resignation? Just shows how corrupt all Liebour are

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By *espectdueMan
3 weeks ago

Stratford-Upon-Avon

It will come in eventually, no matter who you vote for.

Even farage will want it if he gets in No. 10

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

A temporary respite, I fear. Larry Ellison's Oracle has been a major donor to the Tony Blair Institute (for Tony Blair) and Tony has several placemen inside government. Blair has always supported the monetisation of citizens' data, and the TBI is little more than a sales and propaganda hub for globalist businesses. Blair's a floater. He'll be back.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

Naive question, but seriously;

Why does technological change always benefit Them and not Us?

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By *annyDanielleMan
3 weeks ago

Street, Somerset

"A temporary respite, I fear. Larry Ellison's Oracle has been a major donor to the Tony Blair Institute (for Tony Blair) and Tony has several placemen inside government. Blair has always supported the monetisation of citizens' data, and the TBI is little more than a sales and propaganda hub for globalist businesses. Blair's a floater. He'll be back. "

The same kind we desperately try to avoid in the swimming pool.

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By *lue555Man
3 weeks ago

harrow

I look forward to him losing his job.

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By *andomguy321Man
3 weeks ago

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"It will come in eventually, no matter who you vote for.

Even farage will want it if he gets in No. 10 "

Another negative consequence of the massive number of immigrants that have impacted the UK.

We have gone from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

And so the rot sets in ... ever deeper.

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

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The same kind we desperately try to avoid in the swimming pool.

Not a great analogy. You can get out of a swimming pool...

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By *ammy57TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

Even farage will want it if he gets in No. 10

Another negative consequence of the massive number of immigrants that have impacted the UK.

Emm

Nine jobs Nigel will support anything that gives him a kick back.

And immigrants are the only ones who won't have this, or have to pay for it.

Ellison (who's company oracle is in prime position to benefit from these contracts) gave 275 million to the Tony Blaire institute.

(Blaire, who initially said digital Id was an abomination and is now it's chief cheer leader.)

I'm sure he can provide sweeteners where needed. As can the other 66 companies registered to provide related services, mostly based in USA but drawing funds from UK government and UK public.

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By *andomguy321Man
3 weeks ago

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Even farage will want it if he gets in No. 10

Another negative consequence of the massive number of immigrants that have impacted the UK.

Emm

Nine jobs Nigel will support anything that gives him a kick back.

And immigrants are the only ones who won't have this, or have to pay for it.

Ellison (who's company oracle is in prime position to benefit from these contracts) gave 275 million to the Tony Blaire institute.

(Blaire, who initially said digital Id was an abomination and is now it's chief cheer leader.)

I'm sure he can provide sweeteners where needed. As can the other 66 companies registered to provide related services, mostly based in USA but drawing funds from UK government and UK public. "

But you didn't include the whole quote ... I'll help you out there

Here you go -

"It will come in eventually, no matter who you vote for.

Even farage will want it if he gets in No. 10 "

'Another negative consequence of the massive number of immigrants that have impacted the UK.

We have gone from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

And so the rot sets in ... ever deeper'

...................................................

There ..... That's better

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By *ewBrumBiMan
3 weeks ago

Birmingham

"Shame really. Farage said he would rather go to prison than accept digital ID. I was looking forward to seeing him cuffed and marched off to Belmarsh"

Are you happier than Starmer has instead adopted Farage's policy position?

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