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"Andy Burnham prevented to return as MP. Bye bye Labour? " We can but hope. Sooner these scumbags go the way of the dinosaurs the better. | |||
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"At least Starmer stood up to the Manc thunderbirds puppet. Labour need strong leadership or we’ll end up with Farage and then we’re f@cked" I think there might have been a better chance of defeating the odious Farage with Burnham than there ever will be with Starmer who has proved himself to be a weak, indecisive and unpopular PM | |||
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"Anyone any idea what Burnham's got to offer on defence?" like much of the Labour Party he probably prefers not to think about it | |||
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"Anyone any idea what Burnham's got to offer on defence? like much of the Labour Party he probably prefers not to think about it" I think it is all about personality. Starmer has none. He won an election by default i.e. the country wanted change, people had lost faith in the Conservatives after their last 2 or 3 years of wrangling and stalemate, the opposition vote was split. Not sure that Burnham has an agenda, any real policies. Yes he's to the left of Starmer but not far-left. He's seen as a fresh face and hasn't got a sleep provoking monotonous voice like Starmer. The Farage has tried to turn politics into a personality cult rather than one of definite well-thought-out policies. In a lot of peoples eyes Burnham would be a better match against the Farage than a dullard like Starmer. Policies or no policies. | |||
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"Kier STALIN - get rid of opposition any possible way, and it's still the russian way !!" I'm not a labour voter but it's one of those devil and the deep blue sea moments in my opinion, but I think the toolmakers son has indeed just shot himself in the foot. In my party (irrelevant what party) potential candidates are chosen at local branch level. | |||
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"The left ... eating itself as usual " How many tory pm's did we have in one year? | |||
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"The left ... eating itself as usual How many tory pm's did we have in one year? " 
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"Perhaps Starmer should have let him stand as there could have been two outcome: 1, Burnham failed to get elected. Not such a safe seat plus some tactical voting. 2, Welcome him as an MP. Have a cabinet reshuffle. Give Burnham a difficult ministry and hope his 'popularity' evaporates" Just so. Starmer's a mediocre politician, but his PR is flat-out terrible. By vetoing Burnham, he's showing fear; almost as good as saying Burnham's the better man. Saying "fine, this is a democacy, go ahead" should have been his only option. Burnham 1: foot 0. | |||
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"Welcome him as an MP. Have a cabinet reshuffle. Give Burnham a difficult ministry and hope his 'popularity' evaporates" Health, education, foreign and home secretary seem to be where ideals go to die. Poisoned chalices for sure. | |||
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"I don’t see the issue. The NEC has to sign off all candidates and they didn’t sign him off. Burnham stays as mayor in Manchester, which keeps him away from Westminster. If they lose the seat to Reform it’s no biggie in the long term. Reform will be cock a hoop for a few days, but it hardly dents the Labour majority. Any potential nominee for the leadership, including Burnham, is going to do even more damage to the country than Starmer has already done. " I don't think you understand politics if you think Reform winning will be no big deal and it won't be relevant for just"a few days". It should worry you a great deal that they are gaining seats | |||
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"The last thing Labour need is civil war. When will political parties learn that infighting puts the public off. It also reinforces the belief that politicians are more interested in themselves than serving the country." Well, Starmer and co have been in power for eighteen months and nothing has been done. Immigration worse, no gangs smashed, NHS still in crisis with people queued up in corridors! Private health care surging ahead! Energy prices still sky high! Working class people still struggling to make ends meet! Getting involved in wars that don't concern us when we are broke! We need 'Change', if Burnham can swing that then he should be given his chance! Starmer is a busted, u-turn flush, time to pull his chain! | |||
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"I think Chris Mason in his BBC report sums it up pretty well. " I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to it but I did clock him getting in his customary cheerleading for Reform at the end. | |||
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"At least Starmer stood up to the Manc thunderbirds puppet. Labour need strong leadership or we’ll end up with Farage and then we’re f@cked" Too say we are fcked under Farage is an understatement. We may need those boats for return trips ourselves. | |||
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"The last thing Labour need is civil war. When will political parties learn that infighting puts the public off. It also reinforces the belief that politicians are more interested in themselves than serving the country. Well, Starmer and co have been in power for eighteen months and nothing has been done. Immigration worse, no gangs smashed, NHS still in crisis with people queued up in corridors! Private health care surging ahead! Energy prices still sky high! Working class people still struggling to make ends meet! Getting involved in wars that don't concern us when we are broke! We need 'Change', if Burnham can swing that then he should be given his chance! Starmer is a busted, u-turn flush, time to pull his chain!" Yeah 18 months to sort out 14 years of total mismanagement and chaos. | |||
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"The last thing Labour need is civil war. When will political parties learn that infighting puts the public off. It also reinforces the belief that politicians are more interested in themselves than serving the country. Well, Starmer and co have been in power for eighteen months and nothing has been done. Immigration worse, no gangs smashed, NHS still in crisis with people queued up in corridors! Private health care surging ahead! Energy prices still sky high! Working class people still struggling to make ends meet! Getting involved in wars that don't concern us when we are broke! We need 'Change', if Burnham can swing that then he should be given his chance! Starmer is a busted, u-turn flush, time to pull his chain! Yeah 18 months to sort out 14 years of total mismanagement and chaos. " And 14years to have come up with some sensible, practical policies to make peoples lives better... Party before Country. | |||
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"The last thing Labour need is civil war. When will political parties learn that infighting puts the public off. It also reinforces the belief that politicians are more interested in themselves than serving the country. Well, Starmer and co have been in power for eighteen months and nothing has been done. Immigration worse, no gangs smashed, NHS still in crisis with people queued up in corridors! Private health care surging ahead! Energy prices still sky high! Working class people still struggling to make ends meet! Getting involved in wars that don't concern us when we are broke! We need 'Change', if Burnham can swing that then he should be given his chance! Starmer is a busted, u-turn flush, time to pull his chain! Yeah 18 months to sort out 14 years of total mismanagement and chaos. And 14years to have come up with some sensible, practical policies to make peoples lives better... Party before Country." And everyone they have tried so far has had everyone up in arms. Its not as easy as you think. | |||
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"Welcome him as an MP. Have a cabinet reshuffle. Give Burnham a difficult ministry and hope his 'popularity' evaporates Health, education, foreign and home secretary seem to be where ideals go to die. Poisoned chalices for sure." Or even chancellor. That seems to be the ultimate poisoned chalice these days | |||
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"Difficult one, if Burnham stood down as Mayor they risk losing Manchester, they obviously think they can put up a suitable candidate for MP who stands a chance of winning. I know if I lived in the area I'd want to retain Burnham as mayor." Labour would never lose manchester irrespective of who they put up. | |||
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"The last thing Labour need is civil war. When will political parties learn that infighting puts the public off. It also reinforces the belief that politicians are more interested in themselves than serving the country. Well, Starmer and co have been in power for eighteen months and nothing has been done. Immigration worse, no gangs smashed, NHS still in crisis with people queued up in corridors! Private health care surging ahead! Energy prices still sky high! Working class people still struggling to make ends meet! Getting involved in wars that don't concern us when we are broke! We need 'Change', if Burnham can swing that then he should be given his chance! Starmer is a busted, u-turn flush, time to pull his chain! Yeah 18 months to sort out 14 years of total mismanagement and chaos. And 14years to have come up with some sensible, practical policies to make peoples lives better... Party before Country. And everyone they have tried so far has had everyone up in arms. Its not as easy as you think." Correction... Labour have found out its not as easy as they thought... | |||
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"And Deform's candidate in Denton is... A Gbeebies presenter! I'm shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked." Is that what he is? Some Reformee on facebook described him as a 'hard-hitting intellectual'! I thought he looked more like a gormless buffoon. | |||
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"And Deform's candidate in Denton is... A Gbeebies presenter! I'm shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked. Is that what he is? Some Reformee on facebook described him as a 'hard-hitting intellectual'! I thought he looked more like a gormless buffoon." What he looks like is, or ought to be, completely irrelevant. As a former senior academic, he makes many politicians look gormless. A dangerous addition to the bandwagon who has been on both sides of the populist divide. Like Bill Kristol, he appears to have been "mugged by reality". Unlike the selfservative defectors, he'll be an asset to Reform. He has levers, and he'll pull them. | |||
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