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"It's not illrgal to have sex in a van providing you can't be seen from the outside. Now that raises an interesting possibility. Just suppose I'm being fucked in my van. and a guy opens the side door and comes in to join us. I find that idea extremely erotic, especially if he fucks me as soon as the first guy has cum in me, Now I wonder what the legal situation would be. I guess that technically he is a trespasser, but I'm happy to give him permission to stay. Am I committing any offences as long as all parties are in agreement, and over the age of 18." It’s not a trespass if you invite a person in. | |||
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"It's not illrgal to have sex in a van providing you can't be seen from the outside. Now that raises an interesting possibility. Just suppose I'm being fucked in my van. and a guy opens the side door and comes in to join us. I find that idea extremely erotic, especially if he fucks me as soon as the first guy has cum in me, Now I wonder what the legal situation would be. I guess that technically he is a trespasser, but I'm happy to give him permission to stay. Am I committing any offences as long as all parties are in agreement, and over the age of 18. It’s not a trespass if you invite a person in." It's not trespass if he doesn't invite him in. | |||
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"It's not illrgal to have sex in a van providing you can't be seen from the outside. Now that raises an interesting possibility. Just suppose I'm being fucked in my van. and a guy opens the side door and comes in to join us. I find that idea extremely erotic, especially if he fucks me as soon as the first guy has cum in me, Now I wonder what the legal situation would be. I guess that technically he is a trespasser, but I'm happy to give him permission to stay. Am I committing any offences as long as all parties are in agreement, and over the age of 18. It’s not a trespass if you invite a person in. It's not trespass if he doesn't invite him in." Could it not be trespass to chattels, also called trespass to personalty or trespass to personal property? | |||
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"Surely as a civil matter, it would only be a problem if you decided to sue him for trespass. The police most likely wouldn’t get involved in a civil matter" You couldn't sue for trespass because it isn't trespass. | |||
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"Why are you guys focusing on trespass. I want the guy to come in and fuck me. My concern is the legality of the situation. If someone reported me to the police, would they be able to do anything if the door was shut. How about keeping a disorderly house if no money changed hands. What happens if another two guys joined in. I may not have control if I'm face down with a cock inside me." Because that’s what you mentioned in the OP. As for anything else, if he opened the door wide enough for the public to see in and someone passing complained, them you could have trouble. Not sure where you would stand if someone complained about any noise. | |||
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"Why are you guys focusing on trespass. I want the guy to come in and fuck me. My concern is the legality of the situation. If someone reported me to the police, would they be able to do anything if the door was shut. How about keeping a disorderly house if no money changed hands. What happens if another two guys joined in. I may not have control if I'm face down with a cock inside me." As others have said, you're the one who brought the question of trespass up. I hope you've ascertained from the answers that no such offence exists. With regards to 'keeping a disorderly house', this is a 300 year old law that is no longer relevant. Seeing how you're describing an imaginary incident in a van, it still wouldn't be offence even if vans existed in 1750. Money changing hands? Also not an offence. Two other guys joined in? Again no offence. The only issue you're really going to have is you carry on with the doors or windows open and other people can see you. | |||
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"Why are you guys focusing on trespass. I want the guy to come in and fuck me. My concern is the legality of the situation. If someone reported me to the police, would they be able to do anything if the door was shut. How about keeping a disorderly house if no money changed hands. What happens if another two guys joined in. I may not have control if I'm face down with a cock inside me." If you did get into trouble, then it would be a perfect example of Sods law | |||
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"It could be argued that as you are engaged in an act which may cause offence (or distress) if made public (for example by the opening of a door) then it is incumbent upon you to ensure that the door cannot be opened by a third party. In other words you are responsible for locking the door and thereby preventing any possibility of you being exposed in a compromising position. Ensuring the door(s) are locked also negates the possibility of any trespass and thereby removes the argument as to whether trespass is a civil or criminal issue in the circumstances envisaged by the original post. " Classic barrack-room lawyer. If someone were to open the car door and expose guys who at it inside, it still doesn't mean the guys in the car have committed an offence. It is not up to them to lock the door. The point regarding trespass is equally ill-informed. There is no legislation that refers to trespassing inside a car. It is neither a criminal offence or a tort. | |||
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"It could be argued that as you are engaged in an act which may cause offence (or distress) if made public (for example by the opening of a door) then it is incumbent upon you to ensure that the door cannot be opened by a third party. In other words you are responsible for locking the door and thereby preventing any possibility of you being exposed in a compromising position. Ensuring the door(s) are locked also negates the possibility of any trespass and thereby removes the argument as to whether trespass is a civil or criminal issue in the circumstances envisaged by the original post. Classic barrack-room lawyer. If someone were to open the car door and expose guys who at it inside, it still doesn't mean the guys in the car have committed an offence. It is not up to them to lock the door. The point regarding trespass is equally ill-informed. There is no legislation that refers to trespassing inside a car. It is neither a criminal offence or a tort." If they leave the door unlocked and it is opened (by anyone) they risk being seen naked or carrying out a sexual act which may cause distress or alarm to someone outside. (Not necessarily the person opening the door) If you are naked or engaged in a sexual act it is your responsibility to not cause aforementioned alarm or distress. It is therefore your responsibility to take measures to avoid this. i. e. Lock the door I didn’t comment on whether it was a trespass or not. I said locking the door negates the discussion. It may not be a trespass (I never suggested it was, so my comment was not “ill informed”) but attempting to access a motor vehicle without the permission of the owner could well be deemed a criminal act. Seems to me you are the “Barrack Room Lawyer” who didn’t actually bother reading the detail of my comment. | |||
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"It could be argued that as you are engaged in an act which may cause offence (or distress) if made public (for example by the opening of a door) then it is incumbent upon you to ensure that the door cannot be opened by a third party. In other words you are responsible for locking the door and thereby preventing any possibility of you being exposed in a compromising position. Ensuring the door(s) are locked also negates the possibility of any trespass and thereby removes the argument as to whether trespass is a civil or criminal issue in the circumstances envisaged by the original post. Classic barrack-room lawyer. If someone were to open the car door and expose guys who at it inside, it still doesn't mean the guys in the car have committed an offence. It is not up to them to lock the door. The point regarding trespass is equally ill-informed. There is no legislation that refers to trespassing inside a car. It is neither a criminal offence or a tort. If they leave the door unlocked and it is opened (by anyone) they risk being seen naked or carrying out a sexual act which may cause distress or alarm to someone outside. (Not necessarily the person opening the door) If you are naked or engaged in a sexual act it is your responsibility to not cause aforementioned alarm or distress. It is therefore your responsibility to take measures to avoid this. i. e. Lock the door I didn’t comment on whether it was a trespass or not. I said locking the door negates the discussion. It may not be a trespass (I never suggested it was, so my comment was not “ill informed”) but attempting to access a motor vehicle without the permission of the owner could well be deemed a criminal act. Seems to me you are the “Barrack Room Lawyer” who didn’t actually bother reading the detail of my comment. " I've practiced law for over 40 years, you're talking shite. | |||
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"Just a bit of clarification. Entering a car without permission may be considered a trespass to chattels......." It would only be considered as such by people who don't understand the law, of which there are several on this thread: Key Elements of Trespass to Chattels Intentional Act: The defendant intended to interfere with the chattel, even if they were mistaken about ownership. Unauthorized Interference: The act was done without permission or legal justification. Actual Damage or Deprivation: The interference must result in damage to the property, impairment of its quality/value, or substantial deprivation of its use. Chattel Definition: Any tangible, movable personal property (not land or buildings). | |||
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"That's why I said may. The entry could be to deprive the owner of property, or with the inte tion of interference ( I dhould be so lucky ) I thought this was a sex site and not a legal forum." Then why did you ask in the original post “Now I wonder what the legal situation would be”? Make your mind up. | |||
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