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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." 🤣🤣 | |||
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"There's a 2 part documentary on channel 4 about him starting tonight " Recording it, can then skip past ads! | |||
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"He's worth about 60 million ... So has a lot to smile about. " IMO he's worth fuck all. He's betrayed every cause with which he has associated himself. | |||
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"There's a 2 part documentary on channel 4 about him starting tonight " Three part. | |||
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"He's worth about 60 million ... So has a lot to smile about. " An example of Champagne Socialist philosophy again:- "it's ok for me to have Capitalist affluence but not the plebs!!".... "I'm well minted but you can stay poor!" Blair's 😁 says it all!!! | |||
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"He's worth about 60 million ... So has a lot to smile about. An example of Champagne Socialist philosophy again:- "it's ok for me to have Capitalist affluence but not the plebs!!".... "I'm well minted but you can stay poor!" Blair's 😁 says it all!!! " Blair has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever! He is a self serving, rampant tory capitalist! He is a flim-flam man, only interested in enriching himself at our expense! | |||
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"He's worth about 60 million ... So has a lot to smile about. An example of Champagne Socialist philosophy again:- "it's ok for me to have Capitalist affluence but not the plebs!!".... "I'm well minted but you can stay poor!" Blair's 😁 says it all!!! Blair has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever! He is a self serving, rampant tory capitalist! He is a flim-flam man, only interested in enriching himself at our expense!" Blair was elected on a Labour ticket by Labour supporters, which traditionally represents socialist values! He was voted in as 'New Labour' and he's a product of that movement as well as Starmer's puppet-master! | |||
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"He's worth about 60 million ... So has a lot to smile about. An example of Champagne Socialist philosophy again:- "it's ok for me to have Capitalist affluence but not the plebs!!".... "I'm well minted but you can stay poor!" Blair's 😁 says it all!!! Blair has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever! He is a self serving, rampant tory capitalist! He is a flim-flam man, only interested in enriching himself at our expense! Blair was elected on a Labour ticket by Labour supporters, which traditionally represents socialist values! He was voted in as 'New Labour' and he's a product of that movement as well as Starmer's puppet-master! " Blair hi-jacked the socialist Labour party and renamed it New Labour with tory ideals and policies! Starmer is a pale shadow of his puppet master! It's time the few socialists MP's still hiding in Labour stood up to be counted! Sitting on ya hands and keeping quite while drawing ya MP's salary is not good enough! Starmer sacked Corbyn and kicked him out of the Labour party because he was a noisy socialist! Blair and Starmer hate socialists because they are both tories at heart! | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking???" Well, Blair wasn’t a socialist anyway. The last principled, moral Labour leader with values was John Smith, who would surely have become PM. After his demise the Labour Party abandoned the working man. I’m not sure this thread is about Blair looking, or not, PM like. It’s just that he always looks smug smiling like a crocodile. I call it the “Robbie Williams effect.” Some people just have a permanent smug appearance and invariably they are. A bit like if, say, starting a new job and someone looks like the cunt colleague & proves it over time. | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking???" You need to consider what Socialism is itself to find the answer to your question. Socialism is a well meant political theory but has always led to total failure and disaster in practice, along with Trade Unionism it is what tore the very heart out of British industry in the 1970's during the Wilson, Callaghan years. | |||
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"It was clear what Blair's politics were and what 'New Labour' were about before they got elected into office, yet he still managed to secure a landslide socialist vote on no less than three occasions! " There’s no denying he was a very skilled political operator but he was no socialist, after all, he radically changed the constitution of old Labour by removing Clause IV. He also privatised more of the NHS than any PM before or since, the holy grail of old Labour. He was a light Tory, at times even more Tory than the tories. | |||
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"It was clear what Blair's politics were and what 'New Labour' were about before they got elected into office, yet he still managed to secure a landslide socialist vote on no less than three occasions! There’s no denying he was a very skilled political operator but he was no socialist, after all, he radically changed the constitution of old Labour by removing Clause IV. He also privatised more of the NHS than any PM before or since, the holy grail of old Labour. He was a light Tory, at times even more Tory than the tories." Blair is a Socialist at heart who realised that true Left-wing Socialism is an impractical failure, which is why he invented "New Labour" as a form of practical Socialism, yet even that proved to be a failure! If Blair is "more Tory than the Tories" as you claim, why did he join the Labour party in the first instance and climb Labour ranks to become party leader and three times PM? | |||
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" If Blair is "more Tory than the Tories" as you claim, why did he join the Labour party in the first instance and climb Labour ranks to become party leader and three times PM? " Because of “ Blairism.” It would have been very difficult to start a philosophy from scratch and then expect enough people to be Blairites & be successful so he needed an established base. Blair wasn’t a committed socialist like Benn or Foot, he seen that Labour needed to modernise if they were ever to regain power and Blairism won out. England is generally a culturally conservative country and the tories represent that and England decides General Elections. He’s a magpie of political philosophy but he is not what any socialist would call a socialist. | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." I liked him, we never had it so good since he was PM. People have short memories in this Country and forget how he changed many things for the better. | |||
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"Best PM since WW2" Totally Agree with this statement. He gave many of us hope. Under Blair it felt possible we could achieve great goals in life. | |||
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"Best PM since WW2 Totally Agree with this statement. He gave many of us hope. Under Blair it felt possible we could achieve great goals in life." Can you use "hope" to pay your energy bill, buy groceries or get a discount on a house. | |||
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" I liked him, we never had it so good since he was PM. People have short memories in this Country and forget how he changed many things for the better. " I voted for him each time. But I don’t think history has been kind to him, a lot has unraveled since. The people were desperate to get rid of the uninspiring Major, Starmer has the same problem but many more on top. Blair was certainly a phenomena but not a great legacy imo. | |||
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"Best PM since WW2 Totally Agree with this statement. He gave many of us hope. Under Blair it felt possible we could achieve great goals in life." Depends who and where you were, I suppose. In Scotland, he fed the SNP's rising appeal. Devolution only stoked the flames. His continuation of PFI and privatisation by the back door launched the NHS on an avoidable downward path. And let us never forget that he bailed out two years before his term ended, and (coincidentally?) just before the world economic system went tits-up. JP Morgan saw the subprime mortgage crisis coming in 2006 and bought credit default swaps (a side bet against subprime mortgages). This failed, but JPM's prediction was correct. After Tony had buggered off and forced a by-election, who, among many others, employed him? Why (aye) JP Morgan! | |||
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"It would be interesting to discover exactly how many properties he, his wife and his children own between them His London Town House alone is reputed to be worth at least £8m.... almost as extravagant as Lord Mandelson. .. another well known Socialist" I used to know this, but the children have undoubtedly bought more. Around 2014, I think it was about £13M worth, including some properties for letting. | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking???" Michael Foot | |||
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"He may be with any amount, but he's still a cunt with piano teeth" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking??? Michael Foot " Correct me if I’m wrong, but Michael Foot was never Prime Minister | |||
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"Iraq spoiled Blairs legacy." Agreed, however, there was incontrovertible evidence that Saddam had used mustard gas, sarin and nerve agents to kill thousands of Kurds, essentially his own people, around the time of the first Gulf War. Considering barrels of the stuff can easily be concealed yet kill hundreds of thousands I don’t think a search for it was unreasonable. In addition, Saddam was in breach of UN resolutions in not cooperating, or even acknowledging, that these WMD’s had been destroyed. The problem for Blair was that he relied on other “evidence” to justify his war, which was suggested as illegal. | |||
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"I'm not a great Blair fan but the lives of families were improved under his premiership. Cameron's unnecessary cruel austerity policy is still ruining lives. Apart from small boats every problem we face today can be directly traced back to austerity. As for Johnson I haven't the time or the energy. Not that I'm biased . Stay safe buddy."Really? I seemed to be hard up and only just getting by throughout the Blair years. Working long hours with little to show for it. House prices trebled under Blair so that was hardly a great help Austerity was a necessary evil to try and put things right after the spend-free incompetence of the Blair/Brown years. If the Conservatives were so awful how come they stayed in power for 14 years? | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking??? Michael Foot Correct me if I’m wrong, but Michael Foot was never Prime Minister" We dodged a bullet there ... Saved by Maggie | |||
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"Didnt he have cross dressing tendencies? Xx" he was allegedly charged with cottaging while at Durham university , but under another name and was cleared | |||
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"I'm not a great Blair fan but the lives of families were improved under his premiership. Cameron's unnecessary cruel austerity policy is still ruining lives. Apart from small boats every problem we face today can be directly traced back to austerity. As for Johnson I haven't the time or the energy. Not that I'm biased . Stay safe buddy.
Really? I seemed to be hard up and only just getting by throughout the Blair years. Working long hours with little to show for it. House prices trebled under Blair so that was hardly a great help
Austerity was a necessary evil to try and put things right after the spend-free incompetence of the Blair/Brown years. If the Conservatives were so awful how come they stayed in power for 14 years?"By the same criteria how long was Blair PM? So he must have been doing something right. He was after all elected by the British population 3 times. Things only went to pot when the sub prime mortgage scandal broke and the Global financial crisis hit. Brown was the wrong man to be PM. He was a good chancellor but a god awful PM at a time the country needed strong leadership. The country got what it voted for in 2010 and the one thing Brown did that I applauded was walk out of No 10 and leave Cameron and Clegg to it. I think most of us struggled at some point but it would be difficult to suggest the Blair era was anything but good for the country. Sure he took us into gulf war 11. Then again what was he supposed to do. Our so called greatest ally invoked the NATO charter and asked for our support. Do you suggest he should have broken the NATO charter and subsequently took the UK out of NATO. I must admit I was delighted to see Tony Blair become PM. He was the first Labour PM of my adult life. There was a lot more good in his premiership than there was bad. | |||
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"Iraq spoiled Blairs legacy." It certainly did, but he did that for G Bush and was rewarded with being made Middle East envoy, didn’t he make a great job of that. | |||
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"People who consider Blair a bad PM have comically short memories, considering the damage that BoJo, Cameron, Truss and May did to the country in recent times. His record reads rather well, even if we don't resort to the shitty yardstick that is Conservative PMs in the post-Blair era. The UK in the late 90s and early 00s was financially successful; There was sustained economic growth over a decade, record low inflation, and Blair introduced a minimum wage for the first time. Public services saw a level of investment which hasn't been seen since, and the NHS was in a much better place than before, or since. The UK was doing well. Blair played a key role in ending the troubles through the Good Friday Agreement, something deemed impossible only a few years before. He granted devolved powers to the home nations, creating the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly, and he removed most hereditary peers from the House of Lords. Iraq was a disastrous miscalculation of course, but on balance he's easily one of the more successful postwar PMs. " I’ll counter that if I may? The economy of the Blair years was built on sand and crumbled by his end of power. The biggest disaster being the subprime mortgage market which New Labour embraced, every economy in the world who did trashed eventually. Sounded and felt good at the time, people feeling prosperous, until it all came crashing down in the global crash. The further deregulation of the City collapsed. Public buildings like hospitals & schools were not invested in, they were instead saddled with decades of outrageous levels of debt as they were funded by the dreadful PFI’s. Where Thatcher sold everything off, Blair used the never never, both damaged our country enormously. A Labour PM privatising the NHS like never before or since, unthinkable for a Labour government. In Wales, devolution has been a disaster, run since its inception by Welsh Labour for nigh on 27 years. Bottom of every league table of devolved issues compared to the other nations inc NHS, education and more on welfare per capita etc. Council Tax exploded under New Labour, bought a house 2001 with £270 CT, by 2010 that had reached to £1700 (although we also had rebanding in Wales). New Labour pledged to scrap CT in their 1997 manifesto as they described it as a completely unfair system of taxation. Blair’s “open door” policy in 2004 was a disaster for many businesses that never recovered. It was John Major who lay the significant groundwork for the Good Friday Agreement from 1992. Blair’s legacy is not great but neither is any from recent times. | |||
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" Austerity was a necessary evil to try and put things right after the spend-free incompetence of the Blair/Brown years. If the Conservatives were so awful how come they stayed in power for 14 years? By the same criteria how long was Blair PM? So he must have been doing something right. He was after all elected by the British population 3 times. Things only went to pot when the sub prime mortgage scandal broke and the Global financial crisis hit. Brown was the wrong man to be PM. He was a good chancellor but a god awful PM at a time the country needed strong leadership. The country got what it voted for in 2010 and the one thing Brown did that I applauded was walk out of No 10 and leave Cameron and Clegg to it. I think most of us struggled at some point but it would be difficult to suggest the Blair era was anything but good for the country. Sure he took us into gulf war 11. Then again what was he supposed to do. Our so called greatest ally invoked the NATO charter and asked for our support. Do you suggest he should have broken the NATO charter and subsequently took the UK out of NATO. I must admit I was delighted to see Tony Blair become PM. He was the first Labour PM of my adult life. There was a lot more good in his premiership than there was bad. " I cannot deny that Blair got himself re-elected 3 times although on his 3rd victory his majority was more than halved whereas the 4th Conservative victory saw a massive increase and in unexpected areas. As for Brown he probably was the wrong man to be PM but I don't think he's been such a wonderful chancellor. Also Brown had no choice but to leave No 10. There was talk at the time of a 'progressive coaltion' of Labour, Libdems, SNP and even Plaid Cymru which would have only just got them over the majority line. Blair was a bit of a warmonger. Desperately wanted his own 'Falklands' to be as good if not better than Mrs T. Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq there had been an earlier incursion of Iraq under Blair [can't remember the details] some sabre rattling with Serbia and, of course, Afghanistan. | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." Perhaps it's because he's not Prime Minister but gets paid more, has more perks and privileges, has more influence without anywhere near as stress or many responsibilities. You see that look too, in David Cameron and the Obamas | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased. Perhaps it's because he's not Prime Minister but gets paid more, has more perks and privileges, has more influence without anywhere near as stress or many responsibilities. You see that look too, in David Cameron and the Obamas" You're possibly too young to remember, but Blair ALWAYS wore a shitlicking grin in public. It was part of his carefully constructed "approachable" image. People tended not to notice the mad glare...at first. | |||
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"In fact, I’d say Brown has a better legacy than Blair, although his tenure was much shorter. Brown was desperately unlucky to be dealt with the worst possible of hands when becoming PM with the global crash. Blair & Brown were famously always at loggerheads and I wonder if Brown was largely responsible for the good of Blair’s time as PM and Blair the bad? Brown is derided for selling off the gold but some economists say that was not as stupid as it sounds for that time. Also, Brown & Darling played a blinder in response to the crash and he doesn’t get the credit he deserves. I remember watching a documentary about this and a US official said who would have thought that PM Brown could sell to capitalist USA nationalisation to save the banking system of essentially the world? But that’s what happened and Brown made an unfortunate slip in a speech where he said his government had saved the world but meant to say the economy of the world. I respect Brown a great deal as he’s clearly a principled man of great integrity. Had he won the 2010 election we wouldn’t have had that awful coalition of Cameron, Clegg & Osbourne. Makes one wonder." Do’s make you wonder how much the British public lost while he was patting himself on the back while Mandelson was passing information to Epstein. Didn’t this so-called collosus of the financial world realise the fiscal decisions made in cabinet where being shorted on the markets | |||
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" Do’s make you wonder how much the British public lost while he was patting himself on the back while Mandelson was passing information to Epstein. Didn’t this so-called collosus of the financial world realise the fiscal decisions made in cabinet where being shorted on the markets" We may find out. Brown has already supplied info & documents to the Met claiming to be angry. | |||
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"There's a 2 part documentary on channel 4 about him starting tonight Recording it, can then skip past ads!" I’m also recording it so I can skip past the shit program and watch the shitier adds | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. " Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension! | |||
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"It was clear what Blair's politics were and what 'New Labour' were about before they got elected into office, yet he still managed to secure a landslide socialist vote on no less than three occasions! " Which just goes to show how stupid and ill informed the electorate are!  | |||
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"Can someone, anyone explain to me what a Socialist Prime Minister is supposed to look like,figuratively speaking??? You need to consider what Socialism is itself to find the answer to your question. Socialism is a well meant political theory but has always led to total failure and disaster in practice, along with Trade Unionism it is what tore the very heart out of British industry in the 1970's during the Wilson, Callaghan years. " What... you mean like the socialist introduction of the NHS and social service, free public nursing care for the elderly, the massive post war social housing program, free university courses for all..! 'What did the Romans ever do for us!'   | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased. I liked him, we never had it so good since he was PM. People have short memories in this Country and forget how he changed many things for the better. " Blair sold the UK down the river for short term tory populism with PFI schemes that are still crippling council budgets to this day! Many of the shodderly built public buildings that were built with PFI are falling apart, but the crippling interest rates associated with them are still going strong! The criminal Blair should be held to account! | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension!" 'Narrow margin'? That's rather a distorted take on history! Labour's 2019 defeat was significant - the polling statistics speak for themselves:- Conservative-: 43.6% of the vote, winning 365 seats, a net gain of 48 seats. Labour:- 32.1% of the vote, winning 202 seats, a net loss of 60 seats. The Conservatives secured a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons, Labour's fewest seats since 1935! So where's the "narrow margin"? Accountability's key - prosecution for dishonesty should apply to all public figures, regardless of party or status, which appears to be what's currently being applied in the ongoing Epstein saga as the ripples continue to reverberate and guilty heads roll. | |||
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""...an earlier incursion of Iraq under Blair [can't remember the details]" He joined George HW Bush (altogether a more impressive figure than his nepo baby), in clearing out the Iraqis from Kuwait, which they had illegally invaded and looted. Bush Sr didn't turn this into a major war, to his credit. It was rather as if Biden or Trump had reacted to Russia's equally illegal invasion of Ukraine, and enforced international law there...some fucking hope. GHW Bush was a GREAT MAN. " It was John Major who joined George H.W.Bush in clearing the Iraqis out of Kuwait in 1991. Something happened about 1999 but I cannot quite remember | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." Because he has more money than he knows what to do with, multi Millionaire, ex prime minister pension, bodyguards and a further job earning more millions Must be really difficult deciding how to spend his riches. Plus his wife also earns a fortune | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM " Oh, bore off. | |||
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""...an earlier incursion of Iraq under Blair [can't remember the details]" He joined George HW Bush (altogether a more impressive figure than his nepo baby), in clearing out the Iraqis from Kuwait, which they had illegally invaded and looted. Bush Sr didn't turn this into a major war, to his credit. It was rather as if Biden or Trump had reacted to Russia's equally illegal invasion of Ukraine, and enforced international law there...some fucking hope. GHW Bush was a GREAT MAN. It was John Major who joined George H.W.Bush in clearing the Iraqis out of Kuwait in 1991. Something happened about 1999 but I cannot quite remember" My reluctant apologies to Blair, you're quite right of course. It was Kosovo perhaps that you had in mind. Which (ask any Bosnian Serb) continues to fester. | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM " Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform?" So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts?" Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin "Just who? In Wales we will probably end up with the swivel eyed Plaid, an even worse prospect than Welsh Labour if that was at all possible. Or even a coalition of the loonies, Plaid/Lab/Lib/Greens. Some of us in Wales did warn our brethren the disaster a UK Labour government would be, after Starmer said he would use Wales as the blueprint to govern, I am simply surprised it took just 18 months or so to be proven correct. Btw, I was a paid up member of the Labour Party from 1992-2010. In hindsight, the working man was abandoned after the sad death of John Smith in 1994. | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin
Just who?
In Wales we will probably end up with the swivel eyed Plaid, an even worse prospect than Welsh Labour if that was at all possible.
Or even a coalition of the loonies, Plaid/Lab/Lib/Greens.
Some of us in Wales did warn our brethren the disaster a UK Labour government would be, after Starmer said he would use Wales as the blueprint to govern, I am simply surprised it took just 18 months or so to be proven correct.
Btw, I was a paid up member of the Labour Party from 1992-2010.
In hindsight, the working man was abandoned after the sad death of John Smith in 1994."Although never a Labour voter/supporter I do agree with you about John Smith. Situation here in Wales is dire regarding the Senedd election. Would normally vote Conservative even though there haven't a hope in hell of winning in Wales. Not impressed with Darren Millar and my local AM has lost my support and respect for defecting to the Faragites Reform is a bit of a cult based on an egotistical Essex backbench MP with delusions of grandeur. He's just parachuted an unknown as leader in Wales. May end up voting for Abolish The Senedd. | |||
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"It annoys me that that snake Gordon Brown, Renfield to Blairs Count Dracula, gets a free pass on the War Criminal accusations. " Turning a blind eye? | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts?" We don't vote for over 2 years so Labour and the tories will probably have different leaders by then. So why panic now? | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin
Just who?
In Wales we will probably end up with the swivel eyed Plaid, an even worse prospect than Welsh Labour if that was at all possible.
Or even a coalition of the loonies, Plaid/Lab/Lib/Greens.
Some of us in Wales did warn our brethren the disaster a UK Labour government would be, after Starmer said he would use Wales as the blueprint to govern, I am simply surprised it took just 18 months or so to be proven correct.
Btw, I was a paid up member of the Labour Party from 1992-2010.
In hindsight, the working man was abandoned after the sad death of John Smith in 1994.
Although never a Labour voter/supporter I do agree with you about John Smith.
Situation here in Wales is dire regarding the Senedd election. Would normally vote Conservative even though there haven't a hope in hell of winning in Wales. Not impressed with Darren Millar and my local AM has lost my support and respect for defecting to the Faragites
Reform is a bit of a cult based on an egotistical Essex backbench MP with delusions of grandeur. He's just parachuted an unknown as leader in Wales. May end up voting for Abolish The Senedd."Completely mystified by the lionisation of John Smith, the first Red Tory Labour leader I remember how in Scotland he was one of the feeble fifty Scottish Labour MP's who backed Thatcher's Poll Tax Had he lived, he'd have just been another Thatcherite Labour PM like Blair and Brown were. | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin
Just who?
In Wales we will probably end up with the swivel eyed Plaid, an even worse prospect than Welsh Labour if that was at all possible.
Or even a coalition of the loonies, Plaid/Lab/Lib/Greens.
Some of us in Wales did warn our brethren the disaster a UK Labour government would be, after Starmer said he would use Wales as the blueprint to govern, I am simply surprised it took just 18 months or so to be proven correct.
Btw, I was a paid up member of the Labour Party from 1992-2010.
In hindsight, the working man was abandoned after the sad death of John Smith in 1994."Youre right. John Smith was a decent man. Had he lived he would have been a unifying force. | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? Ah the politically naive strike again. There are more options than Starmer and Farage. They are just two side of the same counterfeit coin
Just who?
In Wales we will probably end up with the swivel eyed Plaid, an even worse prospect than Welsh Labour if that was at all possible.
Or even a coalition of the loonies, Plaid/Lab/Lib/Greens.
Some of us in Wales did warn our brethren the disaster a UK Labour government would be, after Starmer said he would use Wales as the blueprint to govern, I am simply surprised it took just 18 months or so to be proven correct.
Btw, I was a paid up member of the Labour Party from 1992-2010.
In hindsight, the working man was abandoned after the sad death of John Smith in 1994.
Youre right. John Smith was a decent man. Had he lived he would have been a unifying force."So how come he wasn't a "Unifying Force" in his native Scotland? He stood with his Tory friends and backed the Poll Tax while the SNP and Tory Sheridan fought against it. | |||
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"Well done Farage. Vote REFORM Why would anyone with more than half a functioning braincell say well done to the snake-oil salesman or vote for Reform? So re-elect Starmer? Are you nuts? We don't vote for over 2 years so Labour and the tories will probably have different leaders by then. So why panic now? " If Starmer was to be replaced, and I can’t see how he survives after the carnage coming for Labour in May, then the replacements mentioned have been- Rayner - Has already once been fired for dodgy tax dealings, will Labour not learn this is a risky thing to do à la Mandleson? Public won’t like it anyway. Streeting - Could possibly be some devastating Epstein revelations to come, would probably lose his own seat anyway to a Gaza independent. Miliband - Roundly rejected in GE 2015 already, the man is a nutjob. Cooper - Totally uninspiring, not a chance. Mahmood - There were high hopes for her but is struggling with numbers coming on boats, in fact, now at record levels. The only virtue Labour had in winning the last GE was they were not Tory but they’ve proved to be as inept and scandalous as the rabble they replaced. Labour are a mess and no new leader or time will prevent them being wiped out for at least another generation. | |||
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" So how come he wasn't a "Unifying Force" in his native Scotland? He stood with his Tory friends and backed the Poll Tax while the SNP and Tory Sheridan fought against it." England decides general elections and John Smith was highly regarded and performed impressively at the dispatch box. | |||
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" So how come he wasn't a "Unifying Force" in his native Scotland? He stood with his Tory friends and backed the Poll Tax while the SNP and Tory Sheridan fought against it. England decides general elections and John Smith was highly regarded and performed impressively at the dispatch box." Oh he performed well at the bloody dispatch box! Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Scots living in poverty and on the dole thanks to his Tory friends, frankly it's an outrage that this Establishment boot licker was buried on Iona alongside Scottish kings, hopefully post independence his body will be dug up and intered somewhere else. | |||
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" So how come he wasn't a "Unifying Force" in his native Scotland? He stood with his Tory friends and backed the Poll Tax while the SNP and Tory Sheridan fought against it. England decides general elections and John Smith was highly regarded and performed impressively at the dispatch box. Oh he performed well at the bloody dispatch box! Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Scots living in poverty and on the dole thanks to his Tory friends, frankly it's an outrage that this Establishment boot licker was buried on Iona alongside Scottish kings, hopefully post independence his body will be dug up and intered somewhere else. " Well you guys did send us Brooon as revenge and he did enough damage. | |||
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"The Blairs saw themselves in that hideous role much loved by the USA of "First Family"..and we all know what a crock of shite that is" Blair had delusions of grandeur. Remember someone referring to his wife [affectionately known as old slot-gob in some circles] as the First Lady. Truth is that a PMs wife has no real position in the world other that chatelaine of the flat above No 10 or Chequers. | |||
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"He may be with any amount, but he's still a cunt with piano teeth" 😄 🤣 😂 | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension! 'Narrow margin'? That's rather a distorted take on history! Labour's 2019 defeat was significant - the polling statistics speak for themselves:- Conservative-: 43.6% of the vote, winning 365 seats, a net gain of 48 seats. Labour:- 32.1% of the vote, winning 202 seats, a net loss of 60 seats. The Conservatives secured a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons, Labour's fewest seats since 1935! So where's the "narrow margin"? Accountability's key - prosecution for dishonesty should apply to all public figures, regardless of party or status, which appears to be what's currently being applied in the ongoing Epstein saga as the ripples continue to reverberate and guilty heads roll. " You're looking at those figures through the UK discredited voting system of 'first past the post', most western democracies now use 'proportional representation' as proper way of electing its MP's. There was only a 10% difference between Corbyn and Johnson despite Johnson's blatant lies and smear campaign! Yet again Corbyn and the country were stitched up by the tories and an electrate to dim to know it! | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension! 'Narrow margin'? That's rather a distorted take on history! Labour's 2019 defeat was significant - the polling statistics speak for themselves:- Conservative-: 43.6% of the vote, winning 365 seats, a net gain of 48 seats. Labour:- 32.1% of the vote, winning 202 seats, a net loss of 60 seats. The Conservatives secured a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons, Labour's fewest seats since 1935! So where's the "narrow margin"? Accountability's key - prosecution for dishonesty should apply to all public figures, regardless of party or status, which appears to be what's currently being applied in the ongoing Epstein saga as the ripples continue to reverberate and guilty heads roll. You're looking at those figures through the UK discredited voting system of 'first past the post', most western democracies now use 'proportional representation' as proper way of electing its MP's. There was only a 10% difference between Corbyn and Johnson despite Johnson's blatant lies and smear campaign! Yet again Corbyn and the country were stitched up by the tories and an electrate to dim to know it! "So you think it is perfectly acceptable that Starmer got 170 seat majority on 34% of the votes cast? Yes our system is seriously outdated and flawed. Had we had PR no doubt we would still have got/had PM Starmer but at the head of a Labour/Libdem/Green/SNP/PC coalition. | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension! 'Narrow margin'? That's rather a distorted take on history! Labour's 2019 defeat was significant - the polling statistics speak for themselves:- Conservative-: 43.6% of the vote, winning 365 seats, a net gain of 48 seats. Labour:- 32.1% of the vote, winning 202 seats, a net loss of 60 seats. The Conservatives secured a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons, Labour's fewest seats since 1935! So where's the "narrow margin"? Accountability's key - prosecution for dishonesty should apply to all public figures, regardless of party or status, which appears to be what's currently being applied in the ongoing Epstein saga as the ripples continue to reverberate and guilty heads roll. You're looking at those figures through the UK discredited voting system of 'first past the post', most western democracies now use 'proportional representation' as proper way of electing its MP's. There was only a 10% difference between Corbyn and Johnson despite Johnson's blatant lies and smear campaign! Yet again Corbyn and the country were stitched up by the tories and an electrate to dim to know it! "Ah, so you are blaming the electoral system for being at fault now? Well, let's just look at how Proportional Representation would've played out in July 2024:- Under PR, Labour would've won around 219 seats (instead of 411), Conservatives around 154 seats, Reform UK around 93 seats, and Lib Dems around 79 seats. Would this have given Labour a stronger mandate? Unlikely. PR wouldn't have changed the fact that Labour won a significant majority under first-past-the-post! So maybe focus on policies that resonate with voters rather than changing the system to suit your narrative eh? | |||
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"The Senedd uses a form of PR since its inception 1999 and what a shit show of 27 years that has been. À total basket case." Indeed so! 🇬🇧🏴 | |||
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"The Senedd uses a form of PR since its inception 1999 and what a shit show of 27 years that has been. À total basket case." And now we will be trooping off to the polling stations in May to try out another form of PR almost certain to result in some kind of cobbled together coalition. | |||
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"British History would have been totally different if John Smith had not tragically died all too early perhaps?" How? John Smith, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, all Thatcherite neo cons, possibly he'd have been less of a warmonger than Blair and Brown. | |||
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"His chin is elongating and his ears are nearly as long as those of Emily Maitless. He looks evil" Both are goblins. Remember when Blair grew his hair long during the Covid scamdemic ...  | |||
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"His chin is elongating and his ears are nearly as long as those of Emily Maitless. He looks evil Both are goblins. Remember when Blair grew his hair long during the Covid scamdemic ... "Oh dear | |||
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"His chin is elongating and his ears are nearly as long as those of Emily Maitless. He looks evil Both are goblins. Remember when Blair grew his hair long during the Covid scamdemic ... "https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/spittingimage/images/1/15/TonyBlairrevival.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20240217135749 | |||
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"His chin is elongating and his ears are nearly as long as those of Emily Maitless. He looks evil Both are goblins. Remember when Blair grew his hair long during the Covid scamdemic ...
Oh dear
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Sith Lord Blair is the unseen hand that operates puppet Starmer.
[Glove puppet of course ... This explains why Starmer always comes across like something is permanently rammed up his arse] | |||
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" And now we will be trooping off to the polling stations in May to try out another form of PR almost certain to result in some kind of cobbled together coalition." I interact with about 20 different people each day I work about 3 days a week across south Wales. Posting honestly, although many will call bs, I’d say those who talk politics are about 60% Reform intention, Labour are abused on virtually nothing & Plaid make up about most of the other 40%. Tories and Libs don’t even get mentioned. | |||
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"Corbyn was kicked out because a far left party won’t get in also lost 2 elections. After a while you should realise being pm is just a gateway to being rich. Corbyn's socialist Labour party lost the 2019 GE to a lying Johnson and tory press by a narrow margin! Johnson was eventually discredited and sacked as PM when all his lies eventually came to light! Politicians should be prosecuted for lying, not given a golden handshake and a fat pension! 'Narrow margin'? That's rather a distorted take on history! Labour's 2019 defeat was significant - the polling statistics speak for themselves:- Conservative-: 43.6% of the vote, winning 365 seats, a net gain of 48 seats. Labour:- 32.1% of the vote, winning 202 seats, a net loss of 60 seats. The Conservatives secured a majority of 80 seats in the House of Commons, Labour's fewest seats since 1935! So where's the "narrow margin"? Accountability's key - prosecution for dishonesty should apply to all public figures, regardless of party or status, which appears to be what's currently being applied in the ongoing Epstein saga as the ripples continue to reverberate and guilty heads roll. You're looking at those figures through the UK discredited voting system of 'first past the post', most western democracies now use 'proportional representation' as proper way of electing its MP's. There was only a 10% difference between Corbyn and Johnson despite Johnson's blatant lies and smear campaign! Yet again Corbyn and the country were stitched up by the tories and an electrate to dim to know it!
So you think it is perfectly acceptable that Starmer got 170 seat majority on 34% of the votes cast? Yes our system is seriously outdated and flawed. Had we had PR no doubt we would still have got/had PM Starmer but at the head of a Labour/Libdem/Green/SNP/PC coalition."Starmer is just a pale blue torie Blairite... So the same ole, same ole! | |||
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" And now we will be trooping off to the polling stations in May to try out another form of PR almost certain to result in some kind of cobbled together coalition. I interact with about 20 different people each day I work about 3 days a week across south Wales. Posting honestly, although many will call bs, I’d say those who talk politics are about 60% Reform intention, Labour are abused on virtually nothing & Plaid make up about most of the other 40%. Tories and Libs don’t even get mentioned. " I believe you. Given that the two main parties have both comprehensively fucked S. Wales, "politics" must tend to mean "alternative parties". Labour loyalists are worried by these, so that's what they discuss, while tending to keep their heads in the sand around Labour's flaws. BTW lived briefly near Cowbridge; great countryside. | |||
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" BTW lived briefly near Cowbridge; great countryside." Oh really? Yes it’s lovely, I count my blessings. 👍 | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." he problay just sucked one off his cabinet ministers off | |||
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"Why does Blair always have that smirky/shit eating grin on his face...like he's just fucked your Mother and picked your pocket at the same time Not that I'm biased." Pure evil incarnate that fucker. Just like Comrade Starmer and his cronies. If that scumbag and his leeches get to stay in no 10 for another 4 years, I dread to think the state this poor country will be in. | |||
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"Evil never sleeps ..this monster is pulling starmers strings ,and has powerful friends ,like the Clinton's and others" I guess by,"others", you are referring to people such as Trump? | |||
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