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"Who gives a flying....?!? Can we please have some forensic examination of what deals were made following meetings with this man? I don't really care who they had sex with it's pretty clear the sex was a sweetener for business deals and information. Can we focus on that rather than some royal trade envoy who was never lauded for being all that significant?!?" You should care who they had sex with, especially if the other person was trafficked or underage. It would seem in Andy's case, at least one of them was. | |||
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"Who gives a flying....?!? Can we please have some forensic examination of what deals were made following meetings with this man? I don't really care who they had sex with it's pretty clear the sex was a sweetener for business deals and information. Can we focus on that rather than some royal trade envoy who was never lauded for being all that significant?!?" I imagine the underage victims (of which there are potentially thousands) very much care about having those responsible brought to justice for sexual crimes, rather than trade deals. | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? " You obviously don't comprehend the laws of consent, age notwithstanding | |||
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"And we kinda forget that his brother Charlie was fucking Camilla for all those years when married to Di - they're not really a goodstanding family of the community " All royals have a long history of persistent fornication. Even Lizzy2 is rumoured to have had an affair with the stable manager resulting in Andrew. Maybe that's why the legit royals shun him. | |||
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"Simple solution. Stop paying for these inbred degenerates. All of them. " Hear, hear. That includes the "acceptable face" that is William and Kate. Just as complicit and detached as the rest, despite what their PR team tell you. | |||
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"Simple solution. Stop paying for these inbred degenerates. All of them. Hear, hear. That includes the "acceptable face" that is William and Kate. Just as complicit and detached as the rest, despite what their PR team tell you." Really? How complicit and detached? | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect " But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect " I have absolutely no doubt that this type of reasoning was used by both Epstein & Maxwell in their mitigation. Repulsive post. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…." Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. " What is it about vulnerable, trafficked teenagers being paid for by rich, powerful, old men that may just shift the dynamic of consent that isn’t clear ? To label these women as pr0stituted is mind blowing for me, perhaps it’s my understanding thats off here, but if the women were trafficked, taken to another country, or ohhh I don’t know a private island with no means of escape, or no one to run to if you did, or nowhere to go, and then these powerful men make offers, it is hardly an equal consensual situation is it. I suspect that the potential of some violence may have (even if only I the women’s minds) somewhat influenced any decision making. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. " How dare you link sex trafficked victims to pros when you cannot possibly have any evidence! The American courts have already convicted Epstein & Maxwell of being sex traffickers. Why didn’t they give you a call to advocate their defence. Repugnant. | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? " The woman was trafficked. She was passed around like a piece of property, and made available for sex to anyone selected by her traffickers, with no discussion with her, or possibility of refusal. In the case of AMW, this also took place in a country she knew nothing about, and her passport was being withheld from her. That is criminal, and throwing a bunch of money at her does not make it legal or acceptable. Neither does statements like "it's happened to thousands of girls before", or "loads of girls would jump at it". The number of creeps who actually try to justify this behaviour is astonishing. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. " Let's slightly change the scenario , the girls who were given money, drugs, alcohol by the groups of Asian men - what's your thoughts on them? | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. Let's slightly change the scenario , the girls who were given money, drugs, alcohol by the groups of Asian men - what's your thoughts on them? " 👌 Exactly this, although Asian isn’t the best description, pakistani is more accurate | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? " | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. Let's slightly change the scenario , the girls who were given money, drugs, alcohol by the groups of Asian men - what's your thoughts on them? " They weren’t 17 | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? The woman was trafficked. She was passed around like a piece of property, and made available for sex to anyone selected by her traffickers, with no discussion with her, or possibility of refusal. In the case of AMW, this also took place in a country she knew nothing about, and her passport was being withheld from her. That is criminal, and throwing a bunch of money at her does not make it legal or acceptable. Neither does statements like "it's happened to thousands of girls before", or "loads of girls would jump at it". The number of creeps who actually try to justify this behaviour is astonishing." Was she chained to a radiator ? No Could she have refused after the first time and gone to the police , Yes So why do it four more times ? | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? The woman was trafficked. She was passed around like a piece of property, and made available for sex to anyone selected by her traffickers, with no discussion with her, or possibility of refusal. In the case of AMW, this also took place in a country she knew nothing about, and her passport was being withheld from her. That is criminal, and throwing a bunch of money at her does not make it legal or acceptable. Neither does statements like "it's happened to thousands of girls before", or "loads of girls would jump at it". The number of creeps who actually try to justify this behaviour is astonishing. Was she chained to a radiator ? No Could she have refused after the first time and gone to the police , Yes So why do it four more times ?" You clearly have an issue understanding grooming and exploitation | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect But then it isn’t really consent is it? The rich, powerful, older man/men who groomed and trafficked you are giving you lots of money, all you have to do is…. Isn’t it ? Prostitution has been around a long time Legal if no coercion is involved Payment doesn’t class as coercion. Let's slightly change the scenario , the girls who were given money, drugs, alcohol by the groups of Asian men - what's your thoughts on them? " Exactly the same, as with white English grooming gangs, or any colour creed or class of grooming gangs, also let’s find out why the police seemed to have the same attitude as a poster above, the victims were culpable. Different thread though | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? The woman was trafficked. She was passed around like a piece of property, and made available for sex to anyone selected by her traffickers, with no discussion with her, or possibility of refusal. In the case of AMW, this also took place in a country she knew nothing about, and her passport was being withheld from her. That is criminal, and throwing a bunch of money at her does not make it legal or acceptable. Neither does statements like "it's happened to thousands of girls before", or "loads of girls would jump at it". The number of creeps who actually try to justify this behaviour is astonishing. Was she chained to a radiator ? No Could she have refused after the first time and gone to the police , Yes So why do it four more times ? You clearly have an issue understanding grooming and exploitation " Easy to say that without explanation | |||
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"Some people seem to be getting away from the fact that Andrew, along with Mandelson now as well, have been arrested for Misconduct in a Public Office. There are also murmurings that he has claimed expenses for massages and potentially other items, and has misdirected his protection officers to carry out various duties that are not in their remit. All of these are separate from the long standing claims made by Virginia Roberts, now dead, and which don't amount to an offence in the UK." This amazes me…why has it taken the Epstein files to trigger this enquiry? The Andrew formerly known as Prince was widely reported years ago to have used forces planes & helicopters to ferry him to play golf so nothing that comes out now is a surprise, but why not investigated before? I think I know the answer… | |||
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"In the uk paying for sex with under 18 year old and sex with anyone who has been trafficked regardless of age are strict liability offences. Simply put the only defence to a strict liability offence is to prove it never happened. Not a lot of people on here seem to know that" If that’s the case why hasn’t he been investigated for or charged with anything related to it ? There’s enough evidence despite his denials at least to warrant an investigation The photograph for one. The current investigation is related to other matters so do with his time as a so called business envoy whatever that is. | |||
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"In the uk paying for sex with under 18 year old and sex with anyone who has been trafficked regardless of age are strict liability offences. Simply put the only defence to a strict liability offence is to prove it never happened. Not a lot of people on here seem to know that" There's another defence, which in this case is that Giufree's allegations predate this particular legislation. In any case I'm pretty sure it's incapable of proof. | |||
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"And we kinda forget that his brother Charlie was fucking Camilla for all those years when married to Di - they're not really a goodstanding family of the community " None of them are. Get rid! | |||
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"In the uk paying for sex with under 18 year old and sex with anyone who has been trafficked regardless of age are strict liability offences. Simply put the only defence to a strict liability offence is to prove it never happened. Not a lot of people on here seem to know that There's another defence, which in this case is that Giufree's allegations predate this particular legislation. In any case I'm pretty sure it's incapable of proof." Plus the fact that he didn’t pay her Epstein did And he claims he didn’t know that at the time So yes, pretty incapable of being proven. | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect " Girls here are doing it for free kebabs & phone top-ups | |||
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"65000 dollars would produce a lot of consent from 17 year olds in this country I expect Girls here are doing it for free kebabs & phone top-ups" What sort of kebab? It has to be a kofta or shish at the very least, none of that donner rubbish. | |||
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"In the uk paying for sex with under 18 year old and sex with anyone who has been trafficked regardless of age are strict liability offences. Simply put the only defence to a strict liability offence is to prove it never happened. Not a lot of people on here seem to know that There's another defence, which in this case is that Giufree's allegations predate this particular legislation. In any case I'm pretty sure it's incapable of proof. Plus the fact that he didn’t pay her Epstein did And he claims he didn’t know that at the time So yes, pretty incapable of being proven. " So Epstein paid her, so trafficked. Not knowing is no defence under strict liability. Granted under legislation as it now stands | |||
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"Simple solution. Stop paying for these inbred degenerates. All of them. " Yip, look at Andrews two daughters. Total inbred looks (not their fault obviously) on a par with the travelling community! IMO | |||
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"Mandelson has just been nicked for the same thing. Oh dear." Oh dear, how sad... never mind! | |||
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"Nothing short of persecution at the moment. Let the law take its course and reach conclusion. Though doubt they will find 12 neutral jurors, as it appears the whole world presumes guilt already. " Normally so, but in politics can you trust the establishment to do what it should do? Powerful men ha e means of burying their past misdemeanors. It's only when the Plebs throw some incendiarys in amongst them that things get highlighted and get done! | |||
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"Most of these so called survivors were bring paid to provide sex for the rich and famous who went to epsteins. They were doing this as a job. Now because of epsteins convictions, they see a chance to make more money" No wonder women hate some men so much, it's attitudes like yours. | |||
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"AMW is no longer "prince". He lost that when King Charles denounced his titles. Can't wait for the day AMW loses his rightful place to succeed the throne!" 👑 If Andrew loses his place in the line of succession, we'll all move up one! | |||
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"AMW is no longer "prince". He lost that when King Charles denounced his titles. Can't wait for the day AMW loses his rightful place to succeed the throne! 👑 If Andrew loses his place in the line of succession, we'll all move up one!" Oh whoopie Doo... | |||
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"AMW is no longer "prince". He lost that when King Charles denounced his titles. Can't wait for the day AMW loses his rightful place to succeed the throne! 👑 If Andrew loses his place in the line of succession, we'll all move up one! Oh whoopie Doo... " Whoopie Doo? This is signs of a good fucking party! 😂 | |||
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"At the moment, all Andrew is guilty of is being a grade one arsehole. More will come out undoubtedly, but nothing proven yet. So far the family have done the right thing by cutting him off and saying the law must be followed, wherever that goes. As for throwing Charles shagging Camilla in, if that was a crime, there would be s lot of blokes on here very very worried. When bringing responsibility to other members of the family for what is going on with Andrew, since when has it been part of any law that one person is responsible for another adult’s misdemeanours/crimes?" Thank you for adding moderation and perspective into a thread of ululating madness. | |||
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"Whilst we're all being distracted with all this shit, what's really happening ???" I'm not distracted, I have this strange ability to absorb and cope with more than one news story at a time. | |||
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"Whilst we're all being distracted with all this shit, what's really happening ???" All the other stuff that gets reported at the same time | |||
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"He’s got away with it. Surprise surprise. The scum " Not so, he is under investigation and he hopefully he will be charged, but that will take some time. It was interesting to hear Johnathan Dimbleby stating that he had no money, when the queen’s will is not allowed to be seen by the public so we can’t know how many billions he has inherited from that quarter. | |||
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"He’s got away with it. Surprise surprise. The scum Not so, he is under investigation and he hopefully he will be charged, but that will take some time. It was interesting to hear Johnathan Dimbleby stating that he had no money, when the queen’s will is not allowed to be seen by the public so we can’t know how many billions he has inherited from that quarter." I suspect his ‘I have no money’ isn’t the same as the rest of us…The money …or not, thing fascinates me, Mandelson is always quoted as asserting that he did no wrong and not for financial gain, first one…well he would say that wouldn’t he and we shall see, secondly if not for money, he had position & power…so why did he do the ‘nothing wrong’ he did? | |||
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"He’s got away with it. Surprise surprise. The scum Not so, he is under investigation and he hopefully he will be charged, but that will take some time. It was interesting to hear Johnathan Dimbleby stating that he had no money, when the queen’s will is not allowed to be seen by the public so we can’t know how many billions he has inherited from that quarter. I suspect his ‘I have no money’ isn’t the same as the rest of us…The money …or not, thing fascinates me, Mandelson is always quoted as asserting that he did no wrong and not for financial gain, first one…well he would say that wouldn’t he and we shall see, secondly if not for money, he had position & power…so why did he do the ‘nothing wrong’ he did?" Andrew still gets his £20k a year Royal Navy pension I would imagine? Although that probably wouldn’t cover the clay pigeon cost for the year, the poor guy.… | |||
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"He’s got away with it. Surprise surprise. The scum " The enquiry is far from finished, so what exactly are you saying he's got away with? | |||
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"He’s got away with it. Surprise surprise. The scum Not so, he is under investigation and he hopefully he will be charged, but that will take some time. It was interesting to hear Johnathan Dimbleby stating that he had no money, when the queen’s will is not allowed to be seen by the public so we can’t know how many billions he has inherited from that quarter. I suspect his ‘I have no money’ isn’t the same as the rest of us…The money …or not, thing fascinates me, Mandelson is always quoted as asserting that he did no wrong and not for financial gain, first one…well he would say that wouldn’t he and we shall see, secondly if not for money, he had position & power…so why did he do the ‘nothing wrong’ he did?" It'll be interesting to know if his finances are tied up to the ex-Duchess Of York who, many years ago, complained that she 'didn't have a pot to piss in'. We've found out recently that she was trying to tap Epstein for money, and six of her companies have closed down within the last month. Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson purchased "Chalet Helora" in Verbier, Switzerland, in 2014 for approximately £16.6 million to £18 million. The 7-bedroom luxury property featured an indoor pool and sauna. It was sold in late 2022 to settle a roughly £6.6 million debt with the original owner, Isabelle de Rouvre, amid mounting legal bills. Key Details About the Chalet: Location: The chalet is located in the exclusive, upscale ski resort of Verbier. Property Features: The property, often referred to as a "nest egg" for their daughters, included seven bedrooms, a sauna, a bar, and a large indoor swimming pool. Dispute and Sale: The couple fell into a dispute with the seller over an unpaid installment of nearly £5 million, which grew to £6.7 million with interest, causing the sale to be delayed. Financial Impact: The sale in 2022 was reportedly used to help fund a settlement with Virginia Giuffre in a U.S. sexual assault lawsuit. Final Sale: The property was finally sold in late 2022, following a legal freeze on the property. | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them." Surely someone will bite, even if they don’t offer as much as she wants, or have I just answered my own question | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them. Surely someone will bite, even if they don’t offer as much as she wants, or have I just answered my own question " Only Fans maybe. Bound to be some perv that would pay to watch that freak show. | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them. Surely someone will bite, even if they don’t offer as much as she wants, or have I just answered my own question Only Fans maybe. Bound to be some perv that would pay to watch that freak show." I can't help but wonder, if she gets an offer if her next move would be to see if Charlie will pay her more not to do it. 🤔 | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them. Surely someone will bite, even if they don’t offer as much as she wants, or have I just answered my own question Only Fans maybe. Bound to be some perv that would pay to watch that freak show. I can't help but wonder, if she gets an offer if her next move would be to see if Charlie will pay her more not to do it. 🤔" If she pushes too far, there's always the "Paris underpass solution" | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them." I looked this up and apart from a few trashy reports in the red tops, there doesn't seem to be any substance in the story. I reckon that at some stage there'll be an American publisher who will pay millions for her tell-all story. At the moment they're probably all waiting for the Epstein stuff to die down, give it a couple of years. The greed is still there, with few morals, but a risk assessment probably says they could be boycotted. She's complained for years that she 'doesn't have a pot to piss in', and this is her big chance to cash in. She's not moved to Norfolk with Andrew either, and will have very little income. | |||
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"I read Sarah has suffered a major blow to her survival plan. All the major publishers have turned down her tell all book offer. And the girls are becoming a hot potato as well with various charities distancing themselves from them. I looked this up and apart from a few trashy reports in the red tops, there doesn't seem to be any substance in the story. I reckon that at some stage there'll be an American publisher who will pay millions for her tell-all story. At the moment they're probably all waiting for the Epstein stuff to die down, give it a couple of years. The greed is still there, with few morals, but a risk assessment probably says they could be boycotted. She's complained for years that she 'doesn't have a pot to piss in', and this is her big chance to cash in. She's not moved to Norfolk with Andrew either, and will have very little income." I wouldn’t write her off I completely. I have no time for the woman but she is one of life’s survivors and will probably find a way to get by regardless of who she has to damage and use to get the money she needs. There is always someone out there willing to make use of her. | |||
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"How can he afford to transport his favourite horse from Windsor to Norfolk on his paltry pension And who pays the salary of the poor bastard that accompanies him whenever he rides out on Dobbin and ensures that he mounts the steed in the proper fashion "Normal for Norfolk" I believe is the saying. Will he be out on the lash in Kings Lynn on a Saturday night ..as its too far to drive to Annabels in town" I don’t think his paltry pension comes into it, you and I are just members of the public and the ridiculous British law doesn’t allow us to know how many billions he inherited from Mumsy. | |||
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"And we kinda forget that his brother Charlie was fucking Camilla for all those years when married to Di - they're not really a goodstanding family of the community " Do we? Also who cares? People have affairs. People like sex. Your on a sex site, some will be married why judge | |||
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"Getting thoroughly bored by the whole thing at the moment" Imagine. Getting bored of sexually abused women and wanting the truth | |||
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"I’ve still not seen one definite report of an under age girl - at least by the laws of this country and most of the western world - that he had sex with 17 is over the age of consent in almost everywhere except Florida, where it is 18 I doubt if he even knew that. As as for Virginia Roberts she was paid £15000 dollars by Epstein for every time she had sex with Andrew Five times apparently Awful lot of money for a 17 year old Was she trafficked or did she jump at it ? " Missing the point? Pretty sure consent would be higher than money. Unless you ask trump | |||
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"Simple solution. Stop paying for these inbred degenerates. All of them. " blimey says a lot | |||
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