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"I’m a Labour man but it’s true they got what they deserved. Hopefully they’ll do much better in the next couple of years than they’ve managed so far" Isn't it more likely to lead to more infighting? Burnham would have walked this by election. It was just party factions who blocked him. | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them " Women have the right to vote in all 57 ‘Islamic’ countries, if you’re going to lie, at least make it somewhat believable | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them Women have the right to vote in all 57 ‘Islamic’ countries, if you’re going to lie, at least make it somewhat believable " | |||
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"Yes but only the way their husbands or fathers tell them who to vote for... Not fair, nor free for Muslim women imho" Indeed those veiled women would be natural Farage voters if it was up to them | |||
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"Typical by-election. A massive protest vote. Labour were bound to lose and deservedly so. The governments repeated failures, the scandals and the fiasco regarding Andy Burnham made their loss inevitable. Green a a bit of a joke but so glad they beat that smug Reform git." Yes, Labour were always going to lose this one. But the fact reform only got around a thousand more votes than Labour is quite something. Even the reform chairman has said the voting was fair. | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them Women have the right to vote in all 57 ‘Islamic’ countries, if you’re going to lie, at least make it somewhat believable " Exactly so, stupidity is by no means rare here so as only the person who is voting is allowed into the voting booth how is anyone being forced? Your analysis is perfect. | |||
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"... as only the person who is voting is allowed into the voting booth how is anyone being forced?" 'Family voting' is the practice of two or more family members entering a polling booth together and influencing, directing, or colluding on each other’s vote. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. " You lost, get over it. | |||
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"In a deprived industrial inner city area of Manchester, with a high ethnic population and traditionally a Labour stronghold, it's highly significant that Labour was pushed into third place by Reform UK. The "progressive Left" Green Party's decisive win with a substantial margin fits the local demographics." I don’t know the area but if your discription is correct I would disagree that greens fit the demographics. They must have presented best. | |||
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"Yes but only the way their husbands or fathers tell them who to vote for... Not fair, nor free for Muslim women imho. " Simply not true | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" That will never happen otherwise you would see all out war on our streets | |||
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"I don't tend to take by elections as a serious vote. 53% didn't vote" It was an unusually high turnout for a by election and all but matched the turnout there in the general election. | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" Hasn't the political right been screaming this for the last 20 years? Still not happened. But hey, its kept Farage et al in a job... | |||
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" Yes, Labour were always going to lose this one. But the fact reform only got around a thousand more votes than Labour is quite something. Even the reform chairman has said the voting was fair. " This constituency is #440 on the Reform hit list, ordinarily a safe Labour seat and has been for almost 100 years. Yet Reform still managed a 15 point swing from Labour that left them trailing in a pathetic 3rd. If Labour can’t beat Reform in one of their safest seats then the future doesn’t look too promising for them. Reform doesn’t really need to target #440, around 200 Labour seats are the target what with the tories now an insignificance. Plus Labour are now clearly being attacked from the left, Plaid will take most of their Welsh votes too. A disastrous result for Labour of epic proportions. | |||
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"Surly Starmer will take this rejection as being terminal." Starmer is from the Teflon Tony school of politicians, nothing sticks and he is selective in what he hears! The UK is crying out for quality politicians... but where do we find them? | |||
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"As did Reform. " . Reform must be very pleased | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" Because Muslims will always vote for a party led by a gay jew? Give your head a wobble. | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
". And your view on labours catastrophic fall from massive majority to dismal failure?? | |||
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"Regardless the country is fucked. "If you invite the third world in, you become the third world! This once green and pleasant land... | |||
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"Out of 650 MPs only around 130 are right wing. Around 500 are left wing or social democrats. Nothing of this is reflected in the media. " Why should it... the media is owned, and will say what it's pay masters say it will say! | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" So if, as reform claim the muslim vote cost them, what does it say if they would rather vote for a gay jew ? It smacks of desperation. As for sharia law , that's a red herring.Anyway, Tice and all of Britain's millionaires seem to be able to live in Dubai. It all doesn't add up does it ? I mean, something like 70% of a forty odd percent turn out didn't vote reform. | |||
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"I'm too apprehensive where reform is concerned. I feel like Lib Dem should be given a go. They're more for trade and NHS repair. It's just a shame they wasn't given a chance years ago when neither Labour nor Conservative could hold thenselves accountable for not keeping to their promises. Reform are a dangerous choice for me" All the time the Lib Dems have that clown Ed Davies as leader, the electorate will not take them seriously! The Lib Dems could be an alternative if they sort themselves out and step up to the plate! | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
. And your view on labours catastrophic fall from massive majority to dismal failure?? "They were a thousand votes behind reforms. Labour were bound to lose there because they stopped Bernham from standing, therefore probably a vote against the central core of the party. So they swung to green. Quite simple. How many votes did the tories get? If you add the left wing votes against right wing, thats a huge up yours to badenoch and farage. | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them " How many Muslim wives do you know? | |||
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"Good to see Labour lose another seat, weird that the Green party won it though with their weird ideas and freaky leader with dodgy teeth, they will make a mess of it and flood the poor area with illegals and waste all the money on stupid ideas and won't last long there." Sounds like Reform | |||
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"Yes but only the way their husbands or fathers tell them who to vote for... Not fair, nor free for Muslim women imho. Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them Women have the right to vote in all 57 ‘Islamic’ countries, if you’re going to lie, at least make it somewhat believable " I've been both a clerk and a presiding officer in elections. Husband's telling their wife how to vote is nothing new. Older white British men pointing to the right box on the ballot paper. Someone coming in saying is this the room where I vote Labour. You would be surprised how thick the general population can be | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" Lmfao this is the funniest post I have read in ages. Idiot  | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
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They were a thousand votes behind reforms. Labour were bound to lose there because they stopped Bernham from standing, therefore probably a vote against the central core of the party. So they swung to green.
Quite simple.
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If you add the left wing votes against right wing, thats a huge up yours to badenoch and farage."Yes, it's amusing given it's traditionally a Labour stronghold area, although the seat itself is new - created in the 2024 boundary changes. The Tory vote hasn't been strong historically, and Reform's substantial showing will likely please Farage. Mind you, mid-term by-election results rarely reflect the national picture. | |||
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" Because Muslims will always vote for a party led by a gay jew? Give your head a wobble. " Surely you’re aware that lying is permissible in Islam under 3 circumstances? One of which is if it’s for the greater good or Islam. Hadith Sahih Muslim (2605a) Riyad as-Salihin (249) If really you think Muslims are voting for a party led by a gay Jew is anything other than a tactic for the greater good then it’s you who needs a head wobble. 😆 | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. You lost, get over it." I didn't lose 😂! Labour lost another by election albeit to a protest vote but they still lost. It's a win win for me, I'm not Reform you idiot 😂! Rupert Lowe is the man I want as PM and in 3 years time he will be ready, plenty more time for Labour to lose more seats.  | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" How is that going to happen? Separate courts? Separate judges all built & appointed by the state? | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. You lost, get over it. I didn't lose 😂! Labour lost another by election albeit to a protest vote but they still lost. It's a win win for me, I'm not Reform you idiot 😂! Rupert Lowe is the man I want as PM and in 3 years time he will be ready, plenty more time for Labour to lose more seats. " | |||
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" How is that going to happen? Separate courts? Separate judges all built & appointed by the state?" 😆 Sharia councils already exist in many mosques, so no need for state funded infrastructure or appointments, that’s a matter for that faith. If, for eg, a sharia council determines that a Muslim wife is prohibited from leaving her house for 6 months, for whatever ‘transgression’ that may have been, then it’s not breaking any UK law necessarily, unless the lady complains to the police where action would unlikely take place anyway. However, hardly British is it? (Don’t tell me, there’s white bullies too!) You’re from Birmingham, don’t you know this? | |||
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" How is that going to happen? Separate courts? Separate judges all built & appointed by the state? 😆 Sharia councils already exist in many mosques, so no need for state funded infrastructure or appointments, that’s a matter for that faith. If, for eg, a sharia council determines that a Muslim wife is prohibited from leaving her house for 6 months, for whatever ‘transgression’ that may have been, then it’s not breaking any UK law necessarily, unless the lady complains to the police where action would unlikely take place anyway. However, hardly British is it? (Don’t tell me, there’s white bullies too!) You’re from Birmingham, don’t you know this? " Correct! | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
"So your just airbrushing the labour third place then , can always tell a labourite total deflection | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
So your just airbrushing the labour third place then , can always tell a labourite total deflection"Statically, govt in power do poorly in by elections. Being beaten into second place by the greens, despite (apparently) being ready to form the next govt, and blaming it on muslim women being told what to do, is that deflection? | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
So your just airbrushing the labour third place then , can always tell a labourite total deflection"Not at all. But there is only one party claiming they didn't win because of voting procedures. Straight outta the trump playbook. Disgusting from a party that believe they are ready to run the country. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. You lost, get over it. I didn't lose 😂! Labour lost another by election albeit to a protest vote but they still lost. It's a win win for me, I'm not Reform you idiot 😂! Rupert Lowe is the man I want as PM and in 3 years time he will be ready, plenty more time for Labour to lose more seats. "Reform, repeat, reboot, retreat, what will the next party "ready in 3 years" be called? | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
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They were a thousand votes behind reforms. Labour were bound to lose there because they stopped Bernham from standing, therefore probably a vote against the central core of the party. So they swung to green.
Quite simple.
How many votes did the tories get?
If you add the left wing votes against right wing, thats a huge up yours to badenoch and farage."think your clutching at straws now. That is historically a very strong traditional labour safe place. For reform to come second in that envirament is quite incredible. As it was that greens won it. By the way on a personal note. As your well aware I was very much a Boris spporter. not particularly Torie. As a Breit supporter also a Farage fan :o) | |||
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" Statically, govt in power do poorly in by elections. Being beaten into second place by the greens, despite (apparently) being ready to form the next govt, and blaming it on muslim women being told what to do, is that deflection?" 😆 Dress it up as much as you like but this was a spectacular success for Zack & an epic disaster for Labour. Reform? This was target #440 of Labour seats for Reform, an ordinarily solid Labour seat. Yet Reform relegated Labour to a pathetic 3rd, that’s an utter collapse. What’s going to be your excuses come May? 🤣🤣 | |||
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" Statically, govt in power do poorly in by elections. Being beaten into second place by the greens, despite (apparently) being ready to form the next govt, and blaming it on muslim women being told what to do, is that deflection? 😆 Dress it up as much as you like but this was a spectacular success for Zack & an epic disaster for Labour. Reform? This was target #440 of Labour seats for Reform, an ordinarily solid Labour seat. Yet Reform relegated Labour to a pathetic 3rd, that’s an utter collapse. What’s going to be your excuses come May? 🤣🤣" So target #440, sees reform throw the kitchen sink at it, all the big names hit the place, they put up one of their glory boys, canvass 7 days a week , for weeks. Announce they are the bookies favourites, are leading the polls, claim to be the biggest party in the u.k, are going to win the next election and now they are not bothered ? Yeah. | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
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"Good to see Labour lose another seat, weird that the Green party won it though with their weird ideas and freaky leader with dodgy teeth, they will make a mess of it and flood the poor area with illegals and waste all the money on stupid ideas and won't last long there." Deeisive laughter ensues. | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
Umm Labour lost , Reform came a respectable 2nd"And under FPTP, second gets you the same as third - nothing. Reform were put in their place. As for Labour, they suffered the fate of many governments in mid term by-elections. It may well be the wake up call they need. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. " Oh, the joy of right wing bigotry. As for election literature in different languages, are you going to be consistent and moan about Sinn Féin and Plaid Cymru? | |||
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" Oh, the joy of right wing bigotry. As for election literature in different languages, are you going to be consistent and moan about Sinn Féin and Plaid Cymru?" Well, considering Welsh is the only de jure language with legal status then it would be illegal to not canvas without Welsh literature. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. Oh, the joy of right wing bigotry. As for election literature in different languages, are you going to be consistent and moan about Sinn Féin and Plaid Cymru?" Where they standing in Denton , clutching at straws there | |||
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"Also worth mentioning: Greens 40.7% Reform 28.7% Labour 25.4% Reform was second but it realistically was close between them and Labour but was a pretty runaway win for the Greens" The problem for Labour is that Green vote didn't exist a few years back, in any meaningful sense. Now they are courting the Muslim vote, and successfully too by the sound of it. It eats away at a chunk of guaranteed Labour vote. Could Green be the same problem for Labour, as Tories see with Reform? | |||
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"Also worth mentioning: Greens 40.7% Reform 28.7% Labour 25.4% Reform was second but it realistically was close between them and Labour but was a pretty runaway win for the Greens The problem for Labour is that Green vote didn't exist a few years back, in any meaningful sense. Now they are courting the Muslim vote, and successfully too by the sound of it. It eats away at a chunk of guaranteed Labour vote. Could Green be the same problem for Labour, as Tories see with Reform?" Possibly, I'm fine with that. | |||
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"Also worth mentioning: Greens 40.7% Reform 28.7% Labour 25.4% Reform was second but it realistically was close between them and Labour but was a pretty runaway win for the Greens The problem for Labour is that Green vote didn't exist a few years back, in any meaningful sense. Now they are courting the Muslim vote, and successfully too by the sound of it. It eats away at a chunk of guaranteed Labour vote. Could Green be the same problem for Labour, as Tories see with Reform? Possibly, I'm fine with that." Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens. | |||
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"For decades now, Labour has weighed the Muslim bloc-vote rather than counting it, and assumed that they would always stay in their lane ... I wonder if the penny has dropped at Labour HQ yet? " Being 3%of the vote I don't think the Muslim vote has any significant relevance to labour unlike for example the 1.4 billion Truss had to pay to the Ulster unionists to be able to run her government, because the unionist block vote has been a tail swinging the country for much of the last 100 years. | |||
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"For decades now, Labour has weighed the Muslim bloc-vote rather than counting it, and assumed that they would always stay in their lane ... I wonder if the penny has dropped at Labour HQ yet? Being 3%of the vote I don't think the Muslim vote has any significant relevance to labour unlike for example the 1.4 billion Truss had to pay to the Ulster unionists to be able to run her government, because the unionist block vote has been a tail swinging the country for much of the last 100 years. " Muslims represent 30% of the electorate in Gorton and Denton. If you don't see that as significantly relevant, then you must be purposely looking the other way, for whatever reason. The Greens certainly recognised their relevance... and specifically pandered to their special needs during the campaign ... which paid dividends handsomely. | |||
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" Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens." A little research online shows why. The Muslims fear the right because they cannot manipulate them from their core beliefs ie conservatism as a cultural thing. They would not win. But they can easily manipulate the left. First it was Labour, now the greens. Blair needed a vehicle for Blairism and that could only happen with the left. This explanation is from Islamic political thinkers themselves, not mine, although it’s very logical. Search, very interesting. | |||
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" Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens. A little research online shows why. The Muslims fear the right because they cannot manipulate them from their core beliefs ie conservatism as a cultural thing. They would not win. But they can easily manipulate the left. First it was Labour, now the greens. Blair needed a vehicle for Blairism and that could only happen with the left. This explanation is from Islamic political thinkers themselves, not mine, although it’s very logical. Search, very interesting." I completely get the logic from this block of voters. But the thinking from any party which claims to be progressive and yet courts them is naive at best. They just used Labour and can now move on to the next bunch. Greens for now. | |||
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" Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens. A little research online shows why. The Muslims fear the right because they cannot manipulate them from their core beliefs ie conservatism as a cultural thing. They would not win. But they can easily manipulate the left. First it was Labour, now the greens. Blair needed a vehicle for Blairism and that could only happen with the left. This explanation is from Islamic political thinkers themselves, not mine, although it’s very logical. Search, very interesting." This sounds like it’s from deep inside the echo chamber somewhere. You’ll have to share the search terms you used to generate this result. | |||
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"Seeing Farage's outfit lose here and then blame it all on the voting procedure show you exactly which play book they are following. Hilarious
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They were a thousand votes behind reforms. Labour were bound to lose there because they stopped Bernham from standing, therefore probably a vote against the central core of the party. So they swung to green.
Quite simple.
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If you add the left wing votes against right wing, thats a huge up yours to badenoch and farage."It's a traditional Labour/left-wing area. Even id Green and Reform did not exist no one would have expected the Tories to win there or even come close. The Tories had to put up a candidate to stop the press, media and the other parties accusing them of endorsing Reform. Possibly some Tory voters voted tactically. Probably some voted for Reform. Other might have voted Green just to stop Reform. I might well have done if I lived there. And no doubt other could not see the point of toddling off to the polling station on a wet February day | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas That will never happen otherwise you would see all out war on our streets " From who ? Who is going to fight in this war ? The city boys who will turn up in there whistles driving their BMW’s whilst buffing their finger nails ! Or the tech brigade who will chuck the Xbox controllers at em Or those knuckle dragging hang the flags from lamp post farage supporters You know the lads who seem to get whipped with the shitty end of the stick on these forums ! | |||
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" This sounds like it’s from deep inside the echo chamber somewhere. You’ll have to share the search terms you used to generate this result." Search ‘Islamo-leftism theory.’ Essentially, the likes of Trump, Farage, the right, would never be manipulated from their core beliefs. Starmer? Zack? The left? Easy. Just this week before the by election Zack announced free homes for every migrant & at least a living wage income without even working, to go along with completely open borders. An absolutely bonkers idea that’s never going to happen but who won the crucial Muslim vote for that particular constituency?? And Zack must know it was nuts but he got the votes. He’s no more different to any other spiv. The left are manipulating each other. | |||
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"Sounds like someone spends waaaaaaaaay too much of their time obsessing about what Muslims are up to." Or one could be better informed on a whole myriad of subjects. Or just sit around in wife’s knickers until she comes back home. | |||
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" How is that going to happen? Separate courts? Separate judges all built & appointed by the state? 😆 Sharia councils already exist in many mosques, so no need for state funded infrastructure or appointments, that’s a matter for that faith. If, for eg, a sharia council determines that a Muslim wife is prohibited from leaving her house for 6 months, for whatever ‘transgression’ that may have been, then it’s not breaking any UK law necessarily, unless the lady complains to the police where action would unlikely take place anyway. However, hardly British is it? (Don’t tell me, there’s white bullies too!) You’re from Birmingham, don’t you know this? " I do know this and I also know it has little to no impact on any one else outside the parties involved, but the scaremongering posts imply that sharia will replace the rule of law in the uk which is obviously complete rubbish with only a second of critical… actually no, not even critical simply thinking. Most communities have some kind of internal system that sorts it’s own issues. | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas That will never happen otherwise you would see all out war on our streets From who ? Who is going to fight in this war ? The city boys who will turn up in there whistles driving their BMW’s whilst buffing their finger nails ! Or the tech brigade who will chuck the Xbox controllers at em Or those knuckle dragging hang the flags from lamp post farage supporters You know the lads who seem to get whipped with the shitty end of the stick on these forums ! " Plenty people would take to the streets | |||
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" Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens. A little research online shows why. The Muslims fear the right because they cannot manipulate them from their core beliefs ie conservatism as a cultural thing. They would not win. But they can easily manipulate the left. First it was Labour, now the greens. Blair needed a vehicle for Blairism and that could only happen with the left. This explanation is from Islamic political thinkers themselves, not mine, although it’s very logical. Search, very interesting. I completely get the logic from this block of voters. But the thinking from any party which claims to be progressive and yet courts them is naive at best. They just used Labour and can now move on to the next bunch. Greens for now." Commonly known as floating voters i believe. | |||
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" I do know this and I also know it has little to no impact on any one else outside the parties involved, but the scaremongering posts imply that sharia will replace the rule of law in the uk which is obviously complete rubbish with only a second of critical… actually no, not even critical simply thinking. Most communities have some kind of internal system that sorts it’s own issues." But history proves you incorrect as evidenced all over the world. The UK has humane standards of cattle slaughter by law, so why do we also allow halal & kosher by law? It’s because of religious exemptions to the law. Why are you certain sharia won’t eventually get an exemption too? The law constantly evolves and often has unintended consequences. | |||
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"Good to see Muslims loosening up and voting for a party in their droves that believes in homesexuality. Progress here surely. " 😆 I’m not too sure that that particular topic was discussed and decided that solidarity with gays was an important factor! During Ramadan too?? 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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" Why? Isn't a honest system one which gives Muslims their own political platform, alongside Greens and Reform etc? I know a few Muslims and they would not back trans rights. They follow their faith when it comes to sexual minorities. It seems strange to support the Greens. A little research online shows why. The Muslims fear the right because they cannot manipulate them from their core beliefs ie conservatism as a cultural thing. They would not win. But they can easily manipulate the left. First it was Labour, now the greens. Blair needed a vehicle for Blairism and that could only happen with the left. This explanation is from Islamic political thinkers themselves, not mine, although it’s very logical. Search, very interesting. I completely get the logic from this block of voters. But the thinking from any party which claims to be progressive and yet courts them is naive at best. They just used Labour and can now move on to the next bunch. Greens for now. Commonly known as floating voters i believe." They used to be considered a marginal set. I'm not so sure now. Politics is beset with short termism on all sides. Tactical voting can work, but do we want it become common practice? We can see it with Labour. It's a governing party without any semblance of a plan. Just do whatever is today's theme. It's ripe for attack from all sides. | |||
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"Surly Starmer will take this rejection as being terminal." No he won't .... He'll keep clinging on until he's dragged off by his own backbenchers. | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" Am sure I heard that about 20 years ago? Maybe time to change the record. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. " Let's play spot the reform voter... | |||
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" I do know this and I also know it has little to no impact on any one else outside the parties involved, but the scaremongering posts imply that sharia will replace the rule of law in the uk which is obviously complete rubbish with only a second of critical… actually no, not even critical simply thinking. Most communities have some kind of internal system that sorts it’s own issues. But history proves you incorrect as evidenced all over the world. The UK has humane standards of cattle slaughter by law, so why do we also allow halal & kosher by law? It’s because of religious exemptions to the law. Why are you certain sharia won’t eventually get an exemption too? The law constantly evolves and often has unintended consequences. " Because animal welfare should not be confused with lawmaking, the old quote about sausages & the law notwithstanding. | |||
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"When you have to promote your party in a foreign language because half the people who live there can't even speak English then there's something wrong with that area already, it needs a more right wing approach to sort it out , the Greens will flood the place with more immigrants and make it like a ghetto that women and children can't walk alone in. Let's play spot the reform voter..." You say that all the time🦜 Maybe time to change the record | |||
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" Let's play spot the reform voter..." 😝 Shouldn’t the game be spot the Labour voter considering they were in a bastion stronghold of almost 100 years??? Labour are cooked, just like the tories and the only parties left for the radicals is Greens in England, the Libs, in Wales Plaid & Scotland that idiot Flynn or whatever his name is. What a fucking nut house. | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them " Any evidence for this, other than unsupporred statements from your leader? | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them Any evidence for this, other than unsupporred statements from your leader?" Yes - Plenty of evidence. Labour's chair, Anna Turley, has called for the Electoral Commission to investigate potential election fraud in the Gorton and Denton by-election. Her concerns follow reports from election monitors Democracy Volunteers, who identified illegal “family voting” in 68 per cent of the polling stations they attended. “Family voting” describes the practice where one family member observes another voting in the booth, often influencing their choice. This practice was banned in 2023 due to worries about undue pressure on women within certain ethnic minority communities. | |||
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"Dear old nigel seems to have forgotten that his party were sending out letters "from a concerned neighbour " which also illegal as it didn't say it was from reform. Which they have been doing since the run up to the last general election. " Errr, that actually went to the High Court and the printer admitted full responsibility for that error and Reform completely exonerated. | |||
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"Dear old nigel seems to have forgotten that his party were sending out letters "from a concerned neighbour " which also illegal as it didn't say it was from reform. Which they have been doing since the run up to the last general election. Errr, that actually went to the High Court and the printer admitted full responsibility for that error and Reform completely exonerated." You don't think they should have checked them after 2 years of doing it? Do me a favour. | |||
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"Dear old nigel seems to have forgotten that his party were sending out letters "from a concerned neighbour " which also illegal as it didn't say it was from reform. Which they have been doing since the run up to the last general election. Errr, that actually went to the High Court and the printer admitted full responsibility for that error and Reform completely exonerated." Did someone mention useful idiot? | |||
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" You don't think they should have checked them after 2 years of doing it? Do me a favour. Yes, I agree, the printer should have proof checked his work, the silly man." So should the customer…any printed goods I have been involved with production of, the printer sends a ‘ proof’ through hence the term proof reading. | |||
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" You don't think they should have checked them after 2 years of doing it? Do me a favour. Yes, I agree, the printer should have proof checked his work, the silly man. So should the customer…any printed goods I have been involved with production of, the printer sends a ‘ proof’ through hence the term proof reading." Exactly. Its not just a one off. I received one before the general election and they were still doing it till late last year. | |||
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" You don't think they should have checked them after 2 years of doing it? Do me a favour. Yes, I agree, the printer should have proof checked his work, the silly man. So should the customer…any printed goods I have been involved with production of, the printer sends a ‘ proof’ through hence the term proof reading. Exactly. Its not just a one off. I received one before the general election and they were still doing it till late last year. I’m sure the esteemed learned judges of the High Court considered that but still found no blame of Reform. Nothing to see here folks, fake news." Bit like the cheating voting then eh. What farage does seems ok. | |||
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"Still reckon it was a lot to do with tactical voting. The government is very unpopular. Most governments are at this stage in their term of office. Choices of candidates also made a difference. Labour might have clung onto this traditionally safe seat if Andy Burnham had been allowed to stand. Reform might have even squeezed a victory if they had used a local candidate instead of parachuting a pompous prat into the constituency. Obviously loads of 'what ifs' and the bad losers are now trying to contest the result. Probably all be forgotten by this time next week." Not only a pompous prat but with some unpleasant opinions | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them " Evidence? This is a horrible stereotype!! | |||
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"Shows how much Muslim influence in Britain now, won't be long before we have islamic law in certain areas" Bro!! Muslims are about 6% nationally but possibly 30% in that constituency. Not enough to swing the vote even IF their husbands told them to vote green. Which is ridiculous!!! Most Muslim women I know wouldn't have their husbands tell them anything! | |||
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"All these type of topics prove is that supporters of all parties talk utter and absolute bollocks 🤣" But that's how our country is run. So taking part is important | |||
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"All these type of topics prove is that supporters of all parties talk utter and absolute bollocks 🤣 But that's how our country is run. So taking part is important " The country is not run on the opinions of various supporters of parties talking bollocks on a gay/bi website. It is run by a bunch of self serving wankers pontificating in an outdated chamber. | |||
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"Still reckon it was a lot to do with tactical voting. The government is very unpopular. Most governments are at this stage in their term of office. Choices of candidates also made a difference. Labour might have clung onto this traditionally safe seat if Andy Burnham had been allowed to stand. Reform might have even squeezed a victory if they had used a local candidate instead of parachuting a pompous prat into the constituency. Obviously loads of 'what ifs' and the bad losers are now trying to contest the result. Probably all be forgotten by this time next week." Disagree, she was 4,500 votes ahead of reform she was 5,500 ahead of labour. The electorate are telling the government we are more liberal than the right wing media make you believe. Gaza is an issue Trans people matter And immigration needs to be human and fair | |||
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"Still reckon it was a lot to do with tactical voting. The government is very unpopular. Most governments are at this stage in their term of office. Choices of candidates also made a difference. Labour might have clung onto this traditionally safe seat if Andy Burnham had been allowed to stand. Reform might have even squeezed a victory if they had used a local candidate instead of parachuting a pompous prat into the constituency. Obviously loads of 'what ifs' and the bad losers are now trying to contest the result. Probably all be forgotten by this time next week **************************************** Disagree, she was 4,500 votes ahead of reform she was 5,500 ahead of labour. The electorate are telling the government we are more liberal than the right wing media make you believe. Gaza is an issue Trans people matter And immigration needs to be human and fair " Fully respect your right to disagree and, of course you are correct over the figures. However I still say the result was a cross between tactical voting and a protest vote against the current inept government. Not sure of the demographics of this constituency but doubt Gaza was a major issue. Been following the election campaign and not heard it mentioned. Doubt id trans rights had any bearing whatsoever on the outcome. Basically it was a kick in the teeth for the traditional parties. | |||
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"Still reckon it was a lot to do with tactical voting. The government is very unpopular. Most governments are at this stage in their term of office. Choices of candidates also made a difference. Labour might have clung onto this traditionally safe seat if Andy Burnham had been allowed to stand. Reform might have even squeezed a victory if they had used a local candidate instead of parachuting a pompous prat into the constituency. Obviously loads of 'what ifs' and the bad losers are now trying to contest the result. Probably all be forgotten by this time next week **************************************** Disagree, she was 4,500 votes ahead of reform she was 5,500 ahead of labour. The electorate are telling the government we are more liberal than the right wing media make you believe. Gaza is an issue Trans people matter And immigration needs to be human and fair Fully respect your right to disagree and, of course you are correct over the figures. However I still say the result was a cross between tactical voting and a protest vote against the current inept government. Not sure of the demographics of this constituency but doubt Gaza was a major issue. Been following the election campaign and not heard it mentioned. Doubt id trans rights had any bearing whatsoever on the outcome. Basically it was a kick in the teeth for the traditional parties." Right. But the kick is we hate Suella but apparently labour want that cruel cunt!! When we vote for change, we want a difference from cruelty | |||
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" Right. But the kick is we hate Suella but apparently labour want that cruel cunt!! When we vote for change, we want a difference from cruelty " That, good Sir, makes no sense whatsoever. I take it by Suella you mean Mrs Braverman aka Silly-Ella Cowardlywoman. Now a minor back bench MP who will be clinging onto her seat for dear life come the next election and who played no part in this by-election. | |||
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" Right. But the kick is we hate Suella but apparently labour want that cruel cunt!! When we vote for change, we want a difference from cruelty That, good Sir, makes no sense whatsoever. I take it by Suella you mean Mrs Braverman aka Silly-Ella Cowardlywoman. Now a minor back bench MP who will be clinging onto her seat for dear life come the next election and who played no part in this by-election." Silly me, has Shabana not taken on Cruella's shroud? All I know is we voted for change, but this labour government has continued the same horrible policies as Cruella | |||
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"You have to wonder at how distorted the optics have become when you have British Asian politicians trying to out-racist Nigel Farage (Labour and Tories equally guilty here) Agree, especially when the people vote for centre left parties and then show the government in Caerphilly and gorton and denton they are more liberal than the right wing media project!! But they still chase cruelty after we've shown them we don't like the cruelty performed by the Tories " Performative cruelty is a vote-grabber. I blame The Apprentice and Lord fucking kiss my hairy arse Sugar. | |||
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"You have to wonder at how distorted the optics have become when you have British Asian politicians trying to out-racist Nigel Farage (Labour and Tories equally guilty here) Agree, especially when the people vote for centre left parties and then show the government in Caerphilly and gorton and denton they are more liberal than the right wing media project!! But they still chase cruelty after we've shown them we don't like the cruelty performed by the Tories Performative cruelty is a vote-grabber. I blame The Apprentice and Lord fucking kiss my hairy arse Sugar." It clearly isn't as shown by Gorton and Denton and Caerphilly!! | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!!" Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about" How is it antisemitic? The leader is a gay Jew! And yeah why not rainbows for everyone? Are you against inclusivity? | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about" Anti semitic? Her party leader is Jewish. And on a gay hook up site, what is your problem with rainbow flags? | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about Anti semitic? Her party leader is Jewish. And on a gay hook up site, what is your problem with rainbow flags? Thought it was a great speech!" You would | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about How is it antisemitic? The leader is a gay Jew! And yeah why not rainbows for everyone? Are you against inclusivity?" I am against inclusivity as understood by the progressive left, because it is anything but. It is becoming increasingly clear that the party has strong antisemitic tendencies and the gay jew finds himself in an awkward position. Sorry, rainbows bad choice. Substitute lollipops or Care Bears. | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about Anti semitic? Her party leader is Jewish. And on a gay hook up site, what is your problem with rainbow flags? Rainbow flags are divisive" How? | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about How is it antisemitic? The leader is a gay Jew! And yeah why not rainbows for everyone? Are you against inclusivity? I am against inclusivity as understood by the progressive left, because it is anything but. It is becoming increasingly clear that the party has strong antisemitic tendencies and the gay jew finds himself in an awkward position. Sorry, rainbows bad choice. Substitute lollipops or Care Bears." In what way? | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about Anti semitic? Her party leader is Jewish. And on a gay hook up site, what is your problem with rainbow flags? Thought it was a great speech! Did someone translate for the Urdu-only speakers? " Lol. See it's about being inclusive. Reaching out to others who speak Urdu. They don't only speak Urdu. How many languages do you speak? | |||
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" Then you didn't listen to the winners speech. That's what the greens are about. Social justice at home but also against the genocide in Gaza, trans people matter!! Judging by that speech her maiden speech in HoC will have them all cringeing. She really needs to grow up and get real. But then anti semitic and rainbows for all is what her party is about Anti semitic? Her party leader is Jewish. And on a gay hook up site, what is your problem with rainbow flags? Rainbow flags are divisive" Yeah, they upset bigots. I see no issue in that. | |||
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"Interesting turn of events. A huge number of Muslim voters back a progressive party supporting liberal policy on drugs , sex industry, and trans rights. Sounds like they have seen the light. Maybe I should frock up and campaign for Hannah Montana in Gorton come the next GE." I don't see how this is surprising? My Muslim friends are very liberal. But in public life you have Adil Ray, Sadiq Kahn, Zohran Mamdani all progressive Muslims. Being Muslim is just like anyone else there will be progressives. Conservatives and nutters the same as any other religion. | |||
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"Muslim wives being forced to vote in this country while in their own country the right is denied them Women have the right to vote in all 57 ‘Islamic’ countries, if you’re going to lie, at least make it somewhat believable " I agree with your point, but women in Afghanistan can't vote. | |||
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"Interesting turn of events. A huge number of Muslim voters back a progressive party supporting liberal policy on drugs , sex industry, and trans rights. Sounds like they have seen the light. Maybe I should frock up and campaign for Hannah Montana in Gorton come the next GE. I don't see how this is surprising? My Muslim friends are very liberal. But in public life you have Adil Ray, Sadiq Kahn, Zohran Mamdani all progressive Muslims. Being Muslim is just like anyone else there will be progressives. Conservatives and nutters the same as any other religion." I don't see Muslims as one group. There are progressive movements, just like there were in the Catholic church when I got involved. It's just that the religious fanatics seem confident their views hold true. We should support the progressive elements fully. Muslims are not going away, nor are gay and trans rights. If some don't like this then tough. If Hannah can help then I would support her. | |||
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"I don't tend to take by elections as a serious vote. 53% didn't vote" Same turnout as the last general election in that constituency | |||
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"I don't tend to take by elections as a serious vote. 53% didn't vote Same turnout as the last general election in that constituency " Exactly!! It was actually high for a by-election. It goes to show that people are motivated to stop the far right and figure out the best means to do it. | |||
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"The Green Party are crowing about the win. But they need to take a step back. I'm convinced their win had more to do with preventing that hateful Reform from winning. An absolute avalanche of tactical voting. The Conservatives stood no chance, as did Labour. Lib Dems not standing. Left only one choice. Seen these gains many times in the past from the Liberals, the SDP and others. They then faded into the background." I doubt it given those that voted Green, in the main, either voted Labour or Workers Party in the last election. The "stop Reform" vote could've easily gone to Labour, indeed the argument was to vote Labour and not split the vote and let Reform in. People vote *for* parties/policies not just against and I think that was shown here. | |||
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"The Greens wouldn't have got first past the post without so many former Labour voters choosing Reform that time around. The Greens are a parasitical party ... who can't exist without a host. " That's true of all parties | |||
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"The Greens wouldn't have got first past the post without so many former Labour voters choosing Reform that time around. The Greens are a parasitical party ... who can't exist without a host. " And I don't think this is a true reading of what happened. They clearly ate the conservative vote seeing as the conservatives got 700 votes. Sure, some labour votes would have gone in the reform direction but evidently more went to the greens | |||
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"I don't tend to take by elections as a serious vote. 53% didn't vote Same turnout as the last general election in that constituency Exactly!! It was actually high for a by-election. It goes to show that people are motivated to stop the far right and figure out the best means to do it." So now we got the crankies | |||
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"The Greens wouldn't have got first past the post without so many former Labour voters choosing Reform that time around. The Greens are a parasitical party ... who can't exist without a host. " Utter rubbish. Reform vote pretty much grew by the amount the Tory vote collapsed. Labour vote, in the main, went to Greens. The myth of vast swathes of generational Labour voters suddenly becoming rabid racists and voting Reform is bs, especially vs the last election where Reform stood and did relatively well in Gorton & Denton. | |||
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"The Green Party are crowing about the win. But they need to take a step back. I'm convinced their win had more to do with preventing that hateful Reform from winning. An absolute avalanche of tactical voting. The Conservatives stood no chance, as did Labour. Lib Dems not standing. Left only one choice. Seen these gains many times in the past from the Liberals, the SDP and others. They then faded into the background. I doubt it given those that voted Green, in the main, either voted Labour or Workers Party in the last election. The "stop Reform" vote could've easily gone to Labour, indeed the argument was to vote Labour and not split the vote and let Reform in. People vote *for* parties/policies not just against and I think that was shown here." You make a good point but I think people vote 'for' just as much as they vote 'against'. Fortunately I don't live in Gorton or Denton. If I had I would have cast a tactical vote against Reform. Would have had to be for Green even though I have almost no affinity with that party and think their leader is a total nut-job. At least their candidate seemed a pleasant person. No way could I have voted Labour--unless Andy Burnham had been standing. Voting Conservative, Libdem, SDP or MRLP would have achieved nothing. | |||
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