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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet!" All true, But a candidate who won't go to a hustings was never going to win. And reform had a good candidate. I'd love to see this as a harbinger of common sense, But it is not that simple. And now the poisoned knives will really come out for the greens. All those millions spent on the two mainstream parties?!? Can't have that going to waste, British establishment is meant to be a cheap sell, not something you have to spend significant money on, or heaven forbid give elected officials as well as mandarins a cut, like you do in USA ! | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet!" 😆 Come May and this post isn’t going to have aged well! 🤣 | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet!" Yeah, fantastic result! I see accusations of "family voting" are already being made, as well as the Greens manipulating the Muslim vote. | |||
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"Hopefully, the Greens can now sort out the potholes in Gaza " So much cope in comments like this | |||
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"It shows the left are only voteing to keep reform out ,no matter how mad the party is ,if this us repeated at the election ,god help us . " Ah yes the mad old greens will bring immigrants in, send all white people away, tax everyone to death, make you all take drugs and become trans and scare away all the rich people so we can’t eat their crumbs. | |||
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"Having immigration concerns and being racist are not the same thing either and just because people have genuine concerns doesn't justify racism from anyone" Yeah I agree with this, greens and reform are two sides of the same coin that recognises the system is fucked. The just disagree on the solution or priority of problems to address. People aren’t racist for supporting reform or mad or whatever for supporting the Green Party. Saying either is just intellectually lazy and likely just regurgitating whatever your algorithm has blasted you with | |||
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"They should rename the constituency 'Gaza and Denton'" Im assuming that by bringing up the Muslim vote constantly you disapprove so what is it about Muslims or Islam that you don’t like? | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green" Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else. | |||
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"Good to see the Muslim demographic voting for a progressive LGBTQ+ party. It's going to be fine." Sticklers for recycling too ... and well known enviromentalists are the Muslims. | |||
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"They should rename the constituency 'Gaza and Denton' Im assuming that by bringing up the Muslim vote constantly you disapprove so what is it about Muslims or Islam that you don’t like?" Not too keen on the "friends of Dorothy".  | |||
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"Ok, so I guess all of this leaves a pretty big question for those on the right if we’re going to talk demographics: if only 26% of G&D are Asian, 28% are Muslim, 57% white and 39% Christian. 82% speak English as a first language and 79% list British as their only national identity: why didn’t Reform wipe the floor with this seat? Demographics certainly seem to favour them if demographics is all you care about " Because reform didn't campaign on a Gaza 1st ticket and the tradition of 'Family Voting' favoured the Greens this time around. | |||
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" Im assuming that by bringing up the Muslim vote constantly you disapprove so what is it about Muslims or Islam that you don’t like?" On a theological level, any non-Muslim of faith has, by very definition, a completely different set of beliefs, although the Abrahamic religions do share some beliefs. A Muslim can believe what they like, good for them, and I respect that. But I have no interest in their religion just as I have no interest in Buddhism, Jewish faith or any other, other than my own. It is not a question of not liking a religion alien to me, it’s I just have no interest in any other than my own. That’s tolerance. | |||
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"Ok, so I guess all of this leaves a pretty big question for those on the right if we’re going to talk demographics: if only 26% of G&D are Asian, 28% are Muslim, 57% white and 39% Christian. 82% speak English as a first language and 79% list British as their only national identity: why didn’t Reform wipe the floor with this seat? Demographics certainly seem to favour them if demographics is all you care about Because reform didn't campaign on a Gaza 1st ticket and the tradition of 'Family Voting' favoured the Greens this time around. " Ok so there’s no evidence of who or which demographics were doing the family voting yet. Not saying you’re wrong, but just that it’s not factual. Greens didn’t campaign on “Gaza first” although they did make it clear they support Palestine. They campaigned on wealth taxing, cost of living and the environment. It still leaves the question: if the demographic majorities are white, British and Christian, which is Reforms target audience, why didn’t they unite those votes and win a majority? How did the Greens win by only courting a minority? | |||
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"although they did make it clear they support Palestine. They campaigned on wealth taxing, cost of living and the environment. " On Tuesday a ‘leaked’ Green policy document revealed they plan a total amnesty to all illegals, even if their claim has been rejected, a house, a basic universal income with no requirement to work, free use of the NHS as soon as they arrive as well as the open borders policy. À Green Party spokesman said today “these policies proved popular on the door” at the by election. Quite evidently the Greens canvassed on a lot more than what you say. | |||
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"If anything it shows the rapid rise of the far right wing in this case in a seat that has been Labour for decades" Ashton under lyne voted NF councillors in years ago so not so new , this just shows integration is elusive as it was then . All part of the Tameside area | |||
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"although they did make it clear they support Palestine. They campaigned on wealth taxing, cost of living and the environment. On Tuesday a ‘leaked’ Green policy document revealed they plan a total amnesty to all illegals, even if their claim has been rejected, a house, a basic universal income with no requirement to work, free use of the NHS as soon as they arrive as well as the open borders policy. À Green Party spokesman said today “these policies proved popular on the door” at the by election. Quite evidently the Greens canvassed on a lot more than what you say. " This doesn't ring true as "fully costed" which a greens representative stated on tv last night !??! | |||
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"Ok, so I guess all of this leaves a pretty big question for those on the right if we’re going to talk demographics: if only 26% of G&D are Asian, 28% are Muslim, 57% white and 39% Christian. 82% speak English as a first language and 79% list British as their only national identity: why didn’t Reform wipe the floor with this seat? Demographics certainly seem to favour them if demographics is all you care about " 39% Christian … are the churches full in Gorton & Denton? | |||
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"Ok, so I guess all of this leaves a pretty big question for those on the right if we’re going to talk demographics: if only 26% of G&D are Asian, 28% are Muslim, 57% white and 39% Christian. 82% speak English as a first language and 79% list British as their only national identity: why didn’t Reform wipe the floor with this seat? Demographics certainly seem to favour them if demographics is all you care about 39% Christian … are the churches full in Gorton & Denton? " only if it got a Soup kitchen | |||
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"If anything it shows the rapid rise of the far right wing in this case in a seat that has been Labour for decades" Green is far right wing??? | |||
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"If anything it shows the rapid rise of the far right wing in this case in a seat that has been Labour for decades Green is far right wing??? From a standing start Reform got a 15% swing from Labour in one of their most solid seats. Was it 8th most solid? Now, I’m pretty sure that is quite unique? " | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else." I think this is exactly how yesterday’s voting process happened But the bigger issue is What if the rest of the country vote on the same values come general election | |||
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"Will Deform now be describing Goodwin as the Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton?" In the footsteps of the Shadow PM, Andy Burnham? | |||
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"Will Deform now be describing Goodwin as the Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton?" Deform!!?? 🤣🤣🤣 Fuck me, he’s here all week folks!! 😞 | |||
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"Like Le Pen's ragtag outfit in France, Reform have hit a plateau. 30 percent is a decent number. but they are clearly strugggling to go any higher. Just as clear that their voter base is lergely made up of disaffected Conservative voters, who could easily migrate back to their former home. The Lion's share of the Green vote came from ex-Labour voters who saw them as the best way of keeping Reform out - the very same pattern we saw when Labour lost their Welsh assembly byelection (to Plaid) a few months ago. Interesting times, but I really can't see Reform going much higher as so many people are desperate to keep them out of power." Bloody hell, it's finally happening, thought I was the only one who doesn't believe that reform will get into power. Hopefully this is the beginning of multiple parties in government. Tory's and Labour are yesterdays rulers, reform,restore, greens, Corbyn will not get past the post first. Therefore can't form a government, so perhaps 3 or more parties will form a government. Works very well in Germany and other european states and many others across the world. | |||
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"Will Deform now be describing Goodwin as the Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton?" Not sure if you misspelt...or it's a clever rebranding on your behalf. Either way it's funny and will wind the right up! | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet!" A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. | |||
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"The Greens will now face far stronger scrutiny .... and have to answer some difficult questions. Sunlight is the best disinfectant ... their appeal might not expand much beyond naive students/post-graduates/Muslims/Imigrants/Gaza obsessives/Marxists ... and the uber-woke/gender-confused brigade." Or just British people who care about the environment. Farage still gets a free pass. | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance." He doesn't seem to be pleased to me. | |||
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"The Greens will now face far stronger scrutiny .... and have to answer some difficult questions. Sunlight is the best disinfectant ... their appeal might not expand much beyond naive students/post-graduates/Muslims/Imigrants/Gaza obsessives/Marxists ... and the uber-woke/gender-confused brigade." A token single-member minority party in Parliament, unlikely to wield significant influence. Hardly a threat to the main players. | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. He doesn't seem to be pleased to me." No surprise there, Farage is obviously not as pleased as he would be with an outright victory but nonetheless a significant result in Labour heartland given their third place position! | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. He doesn't seem to be pleased to me. No surprise there, Farage is obviously not as pleased as he would be with an outright victory but nonetheless a significant result in Labour heartland given their third place position! " I think lots of people haven’t forgiven Farage for the disaster that is Brexit. Why would sensible people think his plans for the UK locally or nationally would be any better? Most of his existing councils are announcing increases to council tax despite promises to cut local government waste. There’s nothing new under the sun. | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. He doesn't seem to be pleased to me. No surprise there, Farage is obviously not as pleased as he would be with an outright victory but nonetheless a significant result in Labour heartland given their third place position! I think lots of people haven’t forgiven Farage for the disaster that is Brexit. Why would sensible people think his plans for the UK locally or nationally would be any better? Most of his existing councils are announcing increases to council tax despite promises to cut local government waste. There’s nothing new under the sun. " Farage has a cop out. He wasn't involved in the Brexit implementation. Neither was Cameron. 2 of the primary movers behind the referendum happening. | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. He doesn't seem to be pleased to me. No surprise there, Farage is obviously not as pleased as he would be with an outright victory but nonetheless a significant result in Labour heartland given their third place position! I think lots of people haven’t forgiven Farage for the disaster that is Brexit. Why would sensible people think his plans for the UK locally or nationally would be any better? Most of his existing councils are announcing increases to council tax despite promises to cut local government waste. There’s nothing new under the sun. Farage has a cop out. He wasn't involved in the Brexit implementation. Neither was Cameron. 2 of the primary movers behind the referendum happening. " Ermm … didn’t he agitate for it in the first place? I’m not seeing any tangible benefits from Brexit only hassle and damage to the UK economy. | |||
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"Just shows right wing isn’t going to win. Labour never had a chance but they wouldn’t expect to at this stage. A great result. Farage has been very quiet! A rather limited perspective. The result clearly reflects the unpopularity of the previous party in a traditional Labour stronghold. Reform's second-place finish, ahead of Labour, is highly significant, especially given the area's demographics. Farage is doubtlessly well pleased with his party's performance. He doesn't seem to be pleased to me. No surprise there, Farage is obviously not as pleased as he would be with an outright victory but nonetheless a significant result in Labour heartland given their third place position! I think lots of people haven’t forgiven Farage for the disaster that is Brexit. Why would sensible people think his plans for the UK locally or nationally would be any better? Most of his existing councils are announcing increases to council tax despite promises to cut local government waste. There’s nothing new under the sun. Farage has a cop out. He wasn't involved in the Brexit implementation. Neither was Cameron. 2 of the primary movers behind the referendum happening. Ermm … didn’t he agitate for it in the first place? I’m not seeing any tangible benefits from Brexit only hassle and damage to the UK economy. " I state a fact. Not opinion. If the politicians wanted to pin him down they should have involved him in implementing what he pushed for. There was no consensus on the negotiating stance or plan. It was a shit show, just proving we have a bunch of fucking idiots in power. | |||
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"Why even mention the Tories? They never stood a snowball in Hell's chance of winning this by-election. Even if Green and Reform didn't exist they would not have won. Only entered a candidate in the race to stop the media, press and other parties of accusing them of endorsing the odious Reform." It is the worst performance in history for them. For all the talk of a keminaissance the electorate firmly rejected her and the party. | |||
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"Good to see the Muslim demographic voting for a progressive LGBTQ+ party. It's going to be fine." Exactly. Doesn't it show you that "the Muslims" are actually more progressive than the right wing echo chamber makes out? It's precisely why they've chosen to live here! | |||
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"They should rename the constituency 'Gaza and Denton' Im assuming that by bringing up the Muslim vote constantly you disapprove so what is it about Muslims or Islam that you don’t like? Not too keen on the "friends of Dorothy". "Evidence? In this country? Sadiq Kahn would prove this wrong, as would Mothin Alli. Muslims are the same as anyone else, you will have progressive and conservative Muslims it's a shame you equate all Muslims to nutters | |||
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"Just shows how thick the electorate is voting for that pathetic Green Party ..open borders ??? " Very true | |||
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"If anything it shows the rapid rise of the far right wing in this case in a seat that has been Labour for decades" Does it? Haven't "the right" coalesced around one vote? Seeing the collapse of the Tories. It shows that 14,500 and 9,000 labour are left and then you have 10,000 right wing voters. In that constituency | |||
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"Just shows how thick the electorate is voting for that pathetic Green Party ..open borders ??? Very true " For most of history we've had open borders where people move for work. Trying to control the boarder is what causes the boats | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover." 100% agree and unfortunately the labour party believe that narrative. Shabana Muhammood continues her Suella Braverman act, alianating the people who put them there. We got rid of Cruella for a reason!! | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover." That Lefty pie gets sliced up though doesn't it ... They are seriously divided, and as usual, diversity is weakness. | |||
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"As the Tories slowly recover the righty pie will also be thin sliced " What makes you think they will recover? All things must pass. | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover. That Lefty pie gets sliced up though doesn't it ... They are seriously divided, and as usual, diversity is weakness. " Pot kettle? Conservatives Reform Advance Restore Good luck | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover. That Lefty pie gets sliced up though doesn't it ... They are seriously divided, and as usual, diversity is weakness. Pot kettle? Conservatives Reform Advance Restore Good luck" Looks like the next election will result in a coalition government, doesn't it 
The Two-Party system is looking like a thing of the past.
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"What kind of lunatic’s vote for the greens. I’m glad I don’t live there lol 😂 "The sort that care about people, society and country | |||
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"The right are as disunited as the left at the moment! If anything even labour has moved right on certain issues even if economically they are left but socially, especially on immigration they are on the right. It's only the greens the are unequivocal about left stances " Labour is politically schizophrenic ... and led by a man afflicted with acute Identity Disturbance (BPD). Every Green Party victory is another nail in Labour's coffin. | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover. That Lefty pie gets sliced up though doesn't it ... They are seriously divided, and as usual, diversity is weakness. Pot kettle? Conservatives Reform Advance Restore Good luck Looks like the next election will result in a coalition government, doesn't it
The Two-Party system is looking like a thing of the past.
Never mind luck - Place your bets and hold your nerve."Does it? Let's hope so! Because the right will not get back in for years | |||
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"Just over 66% voted for Labour or Greens. Over 500 MPs are from Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP etc, yet the media constantly platform right wingers. I'm sick of it. They had their chance and screwed the country. It'll take years to recover. That Lefty pie gets sliced up though doesn't it ... They are seriously divided, and as usual, diversity is weakness. Pot kettle? Conservatives Reform Advance Restore Good luck Looks like the next election will result in a coalition government, doesn't it
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"That confident. At the moment in Britain the right are found to be weird. Controlling women, hating Muslims " I don't think that's going to take off as a campaign slogan .... But you can give it a go sunshine  | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else. I think this is exactly how yesterday’s voting process happened But the bigger issue is What if the rest of the country vote on the same values come general election " Highly unlikely. This was a mixture of a protest vote and a tactical vote. Often happens mid-term unless a government is doing exceptionally well which the current one definitely is not. Doubt there will be a general election before the spring of 2029. Three long years away. All manners of things could happen in that time. The current government's fortunes might improve [doubtful] Some parties might have a change of leader or direction. Current 'populists' might fall flat on their faces. Somehow doubt either Reform or Greens will emerge as the two largest parties in the next parliament. | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else. I think this is exactly how yesterday’s voting process happened But the bigger issue is What if the rest of the country vote on the same values come general election Highly unlikely. This was a mixture of a protest vote and a tactical vote. Often happens mid-term unless a government is doing exceptionally well which the current one definitely is not. Doubt there will be a general election before the spring of 2029. Three long years away. All manners of things could happen in that time. The current government's fortunes might improve [doubtful] Some parties might have a change of leader or direction. Current 'populists' might fall flat on their faces. Somehow doubt either Reform or Greens will emerge as the two largest parties in the next parliament." I think your in denial! Conservatives are finished Labour are finished People are looking for a different way That could be right or left | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else. I think this is exactly how yesterday’s voting process happened But the bigger issue is What if the rest of the country vote on the same values come general election Highly unlikely. This was a mixture of a protest vote and a tactical vote. Often happens mid-term unless a government is doing exceptionally well which the current one definitely is not. Doubt there will be a general election before the spring of 2029. Three long years away. All manners of things could happen in that time. The current government's fortunes might improve [doubtful] Some parties might have a change of leader or direction. Current 'populists' might fall flat on their faces. Somehow doubt either Reform or Greens will emerge as the two largest parties in the next parliament." This guy is definitely in denial | |||
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"Pretty awful choice of candidates, but I find it hard to understand the level of intellectual vacuity of those voting Green Tactical voting. Whoever won yesterday is not going to make one iota difference to the way we are governed now or in the future. Labour deserved a drubbing. Reform's smug candidate deserved to lose. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green even though they are a bit of a joke in my book. I would have done so in order to stop Reform winning. Nothing else. I think this is exactly how yesterday’s voting process happened But the bigger issue is What if the rest of the country vote on the same values come general election Highly unlikely. This was a mixture of a protest vote and a tactical vote. Often happens mid-term unless a government is doing exceptionally well which the current one definitely is not. Doubt there will be a general election before the spring of 2029. Three long years away. All manners of things could happen in that time. The current government's fortunes might improve [doubtful] Some parties might have a change of leader or direction. Current 'populists' might fall flat on their faces. Somehow doubt either Reform or Greens will emerge as the two largest parties in the next parliament. *********************************** I think your in denial! Conservatives are finished Labour are finished People are looking for a different way That could be right or left " Not in denial. Just being practical but I could be wrong. Back in 1981 with the sudden emergence of the Social Democratic Party it was predicted that both the Conservatives and Labour were finished but it didn't happen. In 1997 it was said the Conservatives were finished yet 13 years later they bounced back. During the 14 years of Conservative governments it was often said Labour were finished--even as late as 2021 when they faired badly in local elections. But then there was July 2024. Opinions polls are all over the place. Our archaic FPTP electoral system makes it impossible to really predict. Tactical voting does and will happen. Voter apathy also plays a part. Plus, as I've said, the election is in 3 years time. Anything could happen between now and then to alter its outcome. That's not being in denial. That is being practical. | |||
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"I think the greens are a disaster waiting to happen, and thier stance on a minority trans rights is an insult to every woman gay bi or straight, what about women's rights with out whom as a species we would cease to exist." And out of interest, what is the Greens stance on male tvs and trans in womens toilets? | |||
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"What planet are these green voters on. Or perhaps it the crack cocaine their leader likes It's scary these people are about " It’s a wonder Zak didn’t promise to make every females tits grow bigger in the constituency | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households" Absolutely untrue, some guy in Cardiff knows Muslim women who don't let their husbands tell them anything and he works in finance | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households" Imagine, spending a life time hating Muslims and then they vote against you! | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households" Those Muslim men who hate progressive Britain?? Forcing women to vote green? | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households" Because they wanted their women to vote for a gay jew leaders and a lesbian plumber.. Got it! | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Because they wanted their women to vote for a gay jew leaders and a lesbian plumber.. Got it!" I guess labour are finished | |||
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"I suppose this rather strange argument by Matt Badloser and his puppeteer is regarding postal voters. In the privacy of your own home who is to say who puts the crosses and where. But I find it hard to believe this by-election was won solely because Muslim men voted on behalf of their multiple wives by post. The victory was hardly a narrow margin. Did anyone complain when Sarah Pochin won a by-election last year by a mere 6 votes? Surely that was Victorian domineering far-right husbands voting on behalf of their timid little housewives "Multiple wives....not even legal in this country! | |||
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"Was this vote rigged" If it was 6 like Runcorn it might make a difference. But by 4,500 no | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Domineering men making women vote for a party pro trans? Pro gays? Pro asylum seeking? Have you and your reform mates thought this through! The Urdu version of the green party election broadcast and leaflets omitted the stuff about their pro gay, pro trans and pro druug stances. Funny that. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding/oversight. Was it? Or was it just good inclusion tactics? It's not like they hide the pro gay, pro trans and pro Gaza stance "When someone shows you who they are, believe them..." - Maya Angelou" Absolutely!! Nothing wrong in reaching out to your vote showing inclusion for Urdu speakers and the gays of Manchester! You don't think Urdu gays exist? | |||
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"Was this vote rigged Old Pakistani customs die hard" Not by 4,500 Your just a soar looser because when you slag off Muslims guess what!? They won't vote for your guy | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Domineering men making women vote for a party pro trans? Pro gays? Pro asylum seeking? Have you and your reform mates thought this through! The Urdu version of the green party election broadcast and leaflets omitted the stuff about their pro gay, pro trans and pro druug stances. Funny that. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding/oversight. Was it? Or was it just good inclusion tactics? It's not like they hide the pro gay, pro trans and pro Gaza stance "When someone shows you who they are, believe them..." - Maya Angelou Absolutely!! Nothing wrong in reaching out to your vote showing inclusion for Urdu speakers and the gays of Manchester! You don't think Urdu gays exist?" And showing a video of Trump, Netanyahu and Modi to whip up anti-American, anti-Israel and anti-hindu feelings among the Urdu speakers. Suggest you remove your blinkers in respect of your cuddly Greens | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Domineering men making women vote for a party pro trans? Pro gays? Pro asylum seeking? Have you and your reform mates thought this through! The Urdu version of the green party election broadcast and leaflets omitted the stuff about their pro gay, pro trans and pro druug stances. Funny that. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding/oversight. Was it? Or was it just good inclusion tactics? It's not like they hide the pro gay, pro trans and pro Gaza stance "When someone shows you who they are, believe them..." - Maya Angelou Absolutely!! Nothing wrong in reaching out to your vote showing inclusion for Urdu speakers and the gays of Manchester! You don't think Urdu gays exist? And showing a video of Trump, Netanyahu and Modi to whip up anti-American, anti-Israel and anti-hindu feelings among the Urdu speakers. Suggest you remove your blinkers in respect of your cuddly Greens " Lol!! Paranoia will annoy-ia | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Domineering men making women vote for a party pro trans? Pro gays? Pro asylum seeking? Have you and your reform mates thought this through! The Urdu version of the green party election broadcast and leaflets omitted the stuff about their pro gay, pro trans and pro druug stances. Funny that. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding/oversight. Was it? Or was it just good inclusion tactics? It's not like they hide the pro gay, pro trans and pro Gaza stance "When someone shows you who they are, believe them..." - Maya Angelou Absolutely!! Nothing wrong in reaching out to your vote showing inclusion for Urdu speakers and the gays of Manchester! You don't think Urdu gays exist? And showing a video of Trump, Netanyahu and Modi to whip up anti-American, anti-Israel and anti-hindu feelings among the Urdu speakers. Suggest you remove your blinkers in respect of your cuddly Greens Lol!! Paranoia will annoy-ia" Just because you are paronoid does not mean they are not after you... | |||
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"Did the Greens steal this election ?" No, they won it. | |||
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"Did the Greens steal this election ? No, they won it. " What about this family voting.. ? | |||
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"Did the Greens steal this election ? No, they won it. What about this family voting.. ? " Farage lost and can't take it. Straight out of the trump playbook. | |||
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"Did the Greens steal this election ? No, they won it. What about this family voting.. ? Farage lost and can't take it. Straight out of the trump playbook. " Exactly, even if there was family voting and it's correct that it's looked into it wouldn't over turn 4,500 votes. It would be a bigger issue if they'd won by 6 votes like Sarah Pochin | |||
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"Did the Greens steal this election ? No, they won it. What about this family voting.. ? Farage lost and can't take it. Straight out of the trump playbook. Exactly, even if there was family voting and it's correct that it's looked into it wouldn't over turn 4,500 votes. It would be a bigger issue if they'd won by 6 votes like Sarah Pochin " If it’s found to be a case of some family voting then what amount of corruption is the British electorate to pass off as just cultural norms , one vote a thousand votes how many is to many ? | |||
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"There is tslk of family voting in certain communities, women children and grandmothers before forced to vote green by domineering men in the households Domineering men making women vote for a party pro trans? Pro gays? Pro asylum seeking? Have you and your reform mates thought this through! The Urdu version of the green party election broadcast and leaflets omitted the stuff about their pro gay, pro trans and pro druug stances. Funny that. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding/oversight. Was it? Or was it just good inclusion tactics? It's not like they hide the pro gay, pro trans and pro Gaza stance "When someone shows you who they are, believe them..." - Maya Angelou Absolutely!! Nothing wrong in reaching out to your vote showing inclusion for Urdu speakers and the gays of Manchester! You don't think Urdu gays exist? And showing a video of Trump, Netanyahu and Modi to whip up anti-American, anti-Israel and anti-hindu feelings among the Urdu speakers. Suggest you remove your blinkers in respect of your cuddly Greens Lol!! Paranoia will annoy-ia" Exploiting an ethnic group's lack of fluency as an opportunity to selectivity misrepresent their policy positions make them just as corrupt and dishonest as their rivals. | |||
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"Well af least Starmers goons are out. The sooner he us desposed the better. We need regime change in the Labour party but I fear even more corrupt idiots will take over" Its called democracy. Get over it. | |||
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"Well af least Starmers goons are out. The sooner he us desposed the better. We need regime change in the Labour party but I fear even more corrupt idiots will take over Its called democracy. Get over it. " And democracy will see the Labour MPs tumble like dominos one by one. They no longer represent the working man. They seem to hate the country they are supposed to represent, pandering to one minority group after the other while pu ishi g every decent hard working citizen. | |||
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"Well af least Starmers goons are out. The sooner he us desposed the better. We need regime change in the Labour party but I fear even more corrupt idiots will take over Its called democracy. Get over it. And democracy will see the Labour MPs tumble like dominos one by one. They no longer represent the working man. They seem to hate the country they are supposed to represent, pandering to one minority group after the other while pu ishi g every decent hard working citizen. " Working ‘man’ … most women work nowadays and my hunch is that they’re not as socially conservative as working class men. Labour also get votes from graduates. It’s not as simple as you suggest. Labour’s worry will be that the ‘anti-Tory’ vote will go to the Greens and not to them. The nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland will do well out of Labour’s malaise as will the LibDems in parts of England. | |||
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"Well af least Starmers goons are out. The sooner he us desposed the better. We need regime change in the Labour party but I fear even more corrupt idiots will take over Its called democracy. Get over it. And democracy will see the Labour MPs tumble like dominos one by one. They no longer represent the working man. They seem to hate the country they are supposed to represent, pandering to one minority group after the other while pu ishi g every decent hard working citizen. " Yes! They should stop pandering to that hate filled minority group, the bisexuals! | |||
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"I read the current government and it's leader are now officially the least popular ever since polling records began. At least they have achieved something." Effective governments often face unpopularity, but blatant incompetence in office is a far more serious and destructive issue and hardly an achievement. | |||
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"I read the current government and it's leader are now officially the least popular ever since polling records began. At least they have achieved something." Was that on bf news? | |||
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"I read the current government and it's leader are now officially the least popular ever since polling records began. At least they have achieved something. Was that on bf news?" Regarding Starmer's leadership, a recent YouGov poll reveals that half of voters predict a leadership change by the end of 2026. Only 18% of Britons have a favourable opinion of Starmer, while 75% view him unfavourably, 7% had no-opinion either way. | |||
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"Labour deserve a kicking for their harassment of Trans People. The support they received specifically from them was considerable, now they've been essentially genocided ( I mean it ) by this shit show. " I can't remember reading that Labour want to kill trans people anywhere. Ffs get a grip. | |||
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"I read the current government and it's leader are now officially the least popular ever since polling records began. At least they have achieved something. Was that on bf news? Regarding Starmer's leadership, a recent YouGov poll reveals that half of voters predict a leadership change by the end of 2026. Only 18% of Britons have a favourable opinion of Starmer, while 75% view him unfavourably, 7% had no-opinion either way. " Thanks, we all have the internet. My phone changed gb news to be by the way. | |||
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"If anything it shows the rapid rise of the far right wing in this case in a seat that has been Labour for decades Well if you look at the numbers, all it shows is that the Tory voters voted Reform. The Labour voters voted Green Yep. " A shallow attempt to spin the narrative, but the numbers tell a different story. Reform UK gained 5,436 votes, while the Tories lost 2,182. Even if every Tory voter switched, that still leaves over 3,000 Reform votes that came from elsewhere – namely, the working-class voters who once trusted Labour. This isn't a simple 'left-wing swap'; it's a collapse of Labour's coalition. When Labour prioritises 'woke' lecturing over living costs, the working class turns to Reform, and activists go Green. Labour's third-place finish is a humiliating indictment: a century-long stronghold lost, and a stark warning about the consequences of prioritising ideology over reality. | |||
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"Rubbish. Why is no one stating the obvious? It was down to tactcal voting. Conservatives unpopular. Labour unpopular. Reform, for all the hype in the press is not nearly as liked (with especial remember to Farage) as they'd have you believe. So, who best to keep Reform from winning? The Greens. " I have said all along it was down to tactical voting. A massive protest vote against this inept government as indeed 'mid term' by-elections often are. Turned into a two horse race between Reform and Greens. No doubt some traditional Labour voters have been taken in by Farage's rhetoric about being the peoples party. The 'Green surge' may well have been tactical to stop Reform. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green for that very reason, even though I am not a fan of their politics. | |||
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"Rubbish. Why is no one stating the obvious? It was down to tactcal voting. Conservatives unpopular. Labour unpopular. Reform, for all the hype in the press is not nearly as liked (with especial remember to Farage) as they'd have you believe. So, who best to keep Reform from winning? The Greens. I have said all along it was down to tactical voting. A massive protest vote against this inept government as indeed 'mid term' by-elections often are. Turned into a two horse race between Reform and Greens. No doubt some traditional Labour voters have been taken in by Farage's rhetoric about being the peoples party. The 'Green surge' may well have been tactical to stop Reform. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green for that very reason, even though I am not a fan of their politics." Snap. | |||
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"Rubbish. Why is no one stating the obvious? It was down to tactcal voting. Conservatives unpopular. Labour unpopular. Reform, for all the hype in the press is not nearly as liked (with especial remember to Farage) as they'd have you believe. So, who best to keep Reform from winning? The Greens. I have said all along it was down to tactical voting. A massive protest vote against this inept government as indeed 'mid term' by-elections often are. Turned into a two horse race between Reform and Greens. No doubt some traditional Labour voters have been taken in by Farage's rhetoric about being the peoples party. The 'Green surge' may well have been tactical to stop Reform. Had I lived there I might well have voted Green for that very reason, even though I am not a fan of their politics. Snap." Snap snap | |||
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"Rubbish. Why is no one stating the obvious? It was down to tactcal voting. Conservatives unpopular. Labour unpopular. Reform, for all the hype in the press is not nearly as liked (with especial remember to Farage) as they'd have you believe. So, who best to keep Reform from winning? The Greens. " The "tactical voting" claim doesn't quite fit as the figures reveal:- Labour's mighty collapse in Gorton and Denton saw them lose over 9,000 votes, with Reform UK gaining 5,436 and the Greens winning the seat. If voters were truly tactical, they'd have stuck with Labour to stop Reform. Instead, Labour's support splintered, with many abandoning the party. The idea that voters chose the Greens solely to block Reform ignores the fact that Labour's vote share plummeted. Angela Rayner, Clive Lewis, and Sharon Graham all acknowledge the result is a wake-up call, suggesting Labour's approach isn't resonating with its core voters. The numbers don't support the "tactical voting" spin. Labour's got a bigger problem – reconnecting with its traditional supporters and Starmer just ain't the man to do it! | |||
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"There will be endless debates about this and without asking every single voter in this by-election we will never know the truth. I believe it was an anti-Labour vote as much as anything. Traditional Labour voters wanting to tell Starmer and Co that they are not happy with their failed attempt at government. Also I suspect Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Andy Burnham stand. I have never been to this constituency but find it hard to believe it is a genuine flagship of 'ecological magnificence'. The Conservatives and Libdems did not stand a snowball in hell's chance of winning. Hence their voters either stayed at home or voted tactically. Pollsters and political strategists all suggested, in the final run up to polling day, that it was a two horse race between Reform and Green. I rather think that could have influenced the outcome." You've nailed it. This wasn't some random environmental push, it was a total rejection of Westminster's clown show leadership. Labour blocked Andy Burnham, someone who actually resonates with the North West and dropped in a candidate who failed to connect. They told their heartlands they don't trust 'em and who's sorry now? 😆 People voted for Hannah Spencer because she's not a typical politician, not for some lofty ecological cause. Labour wasn't even in the running – This was an epic eviction. Voters showed Starmer that his 'woke' lecturing, constant 'U'-turns, dithering and bad governance have hit a wall. Burnham's spot on – there's a massive gap between the demographic and Westminster, and Labour's very clearly on the wrong side! | |||
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"There will be endless debates about this and without asking every single voter in this by-election we will never know the truth. I believe it was an anti-Labour vote as much as anything. Traditional Labour voters wanting to tell Starmer and Co that they are not happy with their failed attempt at government. Also I suspect Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Andy Burnham stand. I have never been to this constituency but find it hard to believe it is a genuine flagship of 'ecological magnificence'. The Conservatives and Libdems did not stand a snowball in hell's chance of winning. Hence their voters either stayed at home or voted tactically. Pollsters and political strategists all suggested, in the final run up to polling day, that it was a two horse race between Reform and Green. I rather think that could have influenced the outcome. You've nailed it. This wasn't some random environmental push, it was a total rejection of Westminster's clown show leadership. Labour blocked Andy Burnham, someone who actually resonates with the North West and dropped in a candidate who failed to connect. They told their heartlands they don't trust 'em and who's sorry now? 😆 People voted for Hannah Spencer because she's not a typical politician, not for some lofty ecological cause. Labour wasn't even in the running – This was an epic eviction. Voters showed Starmer that his 'woke' lecturing, constant 'U'-turns, dithering and bad governance have hit a wall. Burnham's spot on – there's a massive gap between the demographic and Westminster, and Labour's very clearly on the wrong side! " Congratulations, your first paragraph was correct. | |||
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"There will be endless debates about this and without asking every single voter in this by-election we will never know the truth. I believe it was an anti-Labour vote as much as anything. Traditional Labour voters wanting to tell Starmer and Co that they are not happy with their failed attempt at government. Also I suspect Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Andy Burnham stand. I have never been to this constituency but find it hard to believe it is a genuine flagship of 'ecological magnificence'. The Conservatives and Libdems did not stand a snowball in hell's chance of winning. Hence their voters either stayed at home or voted tactically. Pollsters and political strategists all suggested, in the final run up to polling day, that it was a two horse race between Reform and Green. I rather think that could have influenced the outcome. You've nailed it. This wasn't some random environmental push, it was a total rejection of Westminster's clown show leadership. Labour blocked Andy Burnham, someone who actually resonates with the North West and dropped in a candidate who failed to connect. They told their heartlands they don't trust 'em and who's sorry now? 😆 People voted for Hannah Spencer because she's not a typical politician, not for some lofty ecological cause. Labour wasn't even in the running – This was an epic eviction. Voters showed Starmer that his 'woke' lecturing, constant 'U'-turns, dithering and bad governance have hit a wall. Burnham's spot on – there's a massive gap between the demographic and Westminster, and Labour's very clearly on the wrong side! Congratulations, your first paragraph was correct." It’s a shame the voters didn't share your enthusiasm for the rest of the script. ?Still, finishing a distant third behind a plumber and a populist is one way to keep the 'I’m in control' act going. 😆 | |||
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"There will be endless debates about this and without asking every single voter in this by-election we will never know the truth. I believe it was an anti-Labour vote as much as anything. Traditional Labour voters wanting to tell Starmer and Co that they are not happy with their failed attempt at government. Also I suspect Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Andy Burnham stand. I have never been to this constituency but find it hard to believe it is a genuine flagship of 'ecological magnificence'. The Conservatives and Libdems did not stand a snowball in hell's chance of winning. Hence their voters either stayed at home or voted tactically. Pollsters and political strategists all suggested, in the final run up to polling day, that it was a two horse race between Reform and Green. I rather think that could have influenced the outcome. You've nailed it. This wasn't some random environmental push, it was a total rejection of Westminster's clown show leadership. Labour blocked Andy Burnham, someone who actually resonates with the North West and dropped in a candidate who failed to connect. They told their heartlands they don't trust 'em and who's sorry now? 😆 People voted for Hannah Spencer because she's not a typical politician, not for some lofty ecological cause. Labour wasn't even in the running – This was an epic eviction. Voters showed Starmer that his 'woke' lecturing, constant 'U'-turns, dithering and bad governance have hit a wall. Burnham's spot on – there's a massive gap between the demographic and Westminster, and Labour's very clearly on the wrong side! Congratulations, your first paragraph was correct. It’s a shame the voters didn't share your enthusiasm for the rest of the script. ?Still, finishing a distant third behind a plumber and a populist is one way to keep the 'I’m in control' act going. 😆" Not that far behind reform and didn't complain about voting fraud because believe in democracy. | |||
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" It’s a shame the voters didn't share your enthusiasm for the rest of the script. ?Still, finishing a distant third behind a plumber and a populist is one way to keep the 'I’m in control' act going. 😆 Not that far behind reform and didn't complain about voting fraud because believe in democracy. " Except that - 'Labour's chair, Anna Turley, has called for the Electoral Commission to investigate potential election fraud in the Gorton and Denton by-election. Her concerns follow reports from election monitors Democracy Volunteers, who identified illegal “family voting” in 68 per cent of the polling stations they attended. “Family voting” describes the practice where one family member observes another voting in the booth, often influencing their choice. This practice was banned in 2023 due to worries about undue pressure on women within certain ethnic minority communities. Ms Turley emphasised that every vote should be personal and secret, considering any evidence to the contrary as deeply serious for democracy' | |||
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" It’s a shame the voters didn't share your enthusiasm for the rest of the script. ?Still, finishing a distant third behind a plumber and a populist is one way to keep the 'I’m in control' act going. 😆 Not that far behind reform and didn't complain about voting fraud because believe in democracy. Except that - 'Labour's chair, Anna Turley, has called for the Electoral Commission to investigate potential election fraud in the Gorton and Denton by-election. Her concerns follow reports from election monitors Democracy Volunteers, who identified illegal “family voting” in 68 per cent of the polling stations they attended. “Family voting” describes the practice where one family member observes another voting in the booth, often influencing their choice. This practice was banned in 2023 due to worries about undue pressure on women within certain ethnic minority communities. Ms Turley emphasised that every vote should be personal and secret, considering any evidence to the contrary as deeply serious for democracy'" Labour's post-election claims about "election integrity" ring a bit hollow. They're simply grasping at straws in desperation, focusing on a handful of "family voting" cases that won't change the result. The Greens have slammed these claims as "dangerous, racist nonsense" which shows how seriously they're taking Labour's attempts to overturn the result. Rather than facing the music, Labour's shifting blame and implying voters were somehow pressured. Maybe they should've spent more time listening to their once loyal supporters in the North West! Too little, too late!! | |||
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" It’s a shame the voters didn't share your enthusiasm for the rest of the script. ?Still, finishing a distant third behind a plumber and a populist is one way to keep the 'I’m in control' act going. 😆 Not that far behind reform and didn't complain about voting fraud because believe in democracy. Except that - 'Labour's chair, Anna Turley, has called for the Electoral Commission to investigate potential election fraud in the Gorton and Denton by-election. Her concerns follow reports from election monitors Democracy Volunteers, who identified illegal “family voting” in 68 per cent of the polling stations they attended. “Family voting” describes the practice where one family member observes another voting in the booth, often influencing their choice. This practice was banned in 2023 due to worries about undue pressure on women within certain ethnic minority communities. Ms Turley emphasised that every vote should be personal and secret, considering any evidence to the contrary as deeply serious for democracy'" I was of the impression that it had always been 'one at a time' in polling booths to ensure the ballot was secret and the choice was made by the individual vote. Witnessed a row years ago whereby a carer was not allowed to take her elderly patient into the polling booth. In the end one of the 'neutral' election officials accompanied her. | |||
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