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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special?" Perhaps the invasion and subsequent colonisation of North America? That does explain much. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special?" Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. " ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! " Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel." When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha "Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.." Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha
Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. "still can't identify the policy...?....hahaha...don't feel too bad ,neither can any of trumps guys | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha
Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. still can't identify the policy...?....hahaha...don't feel too bad ,neither can any of trumps guys " | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha
Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. still can't identify the policy...?....hahaha...don't feel too bad ,neither can any of trumps guys "...did you mean to post a comment..or haven't you formulated a reply yet....? | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha
Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. still can't identify the policy...?....hahaha...don't feel too bad ,neither can any of trumps guys ...did you mean to post a comment..or haven't you formulated a reply yet....?"You prove my point perfectly. Over and over. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side." Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha
Ask your carer to take the orange crayons away. far too triggering. still can't identify the policy...?....hahaha...don't feel too bad ,neither can any of trumps guys ...did you mean to post a comment..or haven't you formulated a reply yet....?
You prove my point perfectly. Over and over. "...well you posted that no one wanted to talk about policy..I asked you what was the policy...you've yet to identify it.....but I'm sure you'll get around to it soon....hahaha...what was your point again? | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. " Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree." That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. " Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. | |||
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"What is next on Trumps bucket list ! When you think he cant get worse..he does. War on vegetables ?!" The answer to that is what can be screw money out of, the yanks are to stupid to recognise a grifter. | |||
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""I want the Iranians to know that, if I am President, we will attack Iran" - Hillary Clinton 2008. " ...would you like to finish the quote, or do you want me to....? #policy | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist." Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. " I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument." Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. " What it boils down to is that we made a terrible mistake. Unfortunately that mistake has proved to be so disasterous that it's easier to run with it than to actually admit it. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. What it boils down to is that we made a terrible mistake. Unfortunately that mistake has proved to be so disasterous that it's easier to run with it than to actually admit it." You have hit the nail squarely on the head. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts." The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. | |||
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"The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous." You write, "that depends on what you call evidence". Again, the only evidence that exists to support Israel is borne of religious ideology. You might not be directly referring to religion but it's easy to see how it could be misconstrued. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. " The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. " How very true. Spot on. Well done. It's no point trying to teach the deluded. We all know who they are. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous." You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. " Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh? Israel ceased to exist in 570BC, until the 1920's they coexisted with the Palestinians perfectly peacefully. The Muslims want to eradicate Israel because they're Zionists and as such foreign invaders who conquered and colonised Palestine by force, not because they're Jews. | |||
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"The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You write, "that depends on what you call evidence". Again, the only evidence that exists to support Israel is borne of religious ideology. You might not be directly referring to religion but it's easy to see how it could be misconstrued. " The discusion is about the war, not the existencte of israel. You want to ignore thousands of years of history to debase the situation/argument. Its historical fact that jews have lived there for thousands of years. It is the jewish homeland, again this is historical fact. It is muslim ideology that fuels the wars, historical fact. It is historical fact that jews have tried to live alongside muslims. Religion is a motivating factor but not the whole story. Your focus on israels religious foundation but not muslim ideology, constant threats and actual attacks such as oct 7th or when 5 arab armies vowed to wipe out all of the jews in the land shows that you argument is nothing more than regurgutated soundbites that you dont actually understand. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. How very true. Spot on. Well done. It's no point trying to teach the deluded. We all know who they are. " So we who are revolted by the actions of the Zealots who have demonstrated a total absence of any humanity in their slaughter of the civilian mostly women and children people of Palestine, and their starvation of entire Arab population are deluded by your standards. What absolute rubbish when these N European squatters squatters who now occupy a large part of Palestine and murder Arabs every day in their genocide against anything Arab. The whole world now sees these Zealots for the garbage they are and even the extremely stupid Americans will eventually waken up to what’s really happening. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying." Many people do choose what evidence they believe and also, evidence isnt proof. Many people believe and repeat lies and attribute false intent to things that have actully happened. You can pull up 'evidence' for whatever ridiculous claim you want to make, the internet is full of hot takes and bias. Most of it falls apart under scrutiny, much like your rant about religion. Your own bias caused you to be sure I am a religious headcase when my point was about the validity and accuracy of any evidence that may be presented. You misunderstood, and still do and you are adament you are right despite the ACTUAL fact of the matter being that you went on a rant that had no relevance to what I actually said. | |||
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"The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You write, "that depends on what you call evidence". Again, the only evidence that exists to support Israel is borne of religious ideology. You might not be directly referring to religion but it's easy to see how it could be misconstrued. The discusion is about the war, not the existencte of israel. You want to ignore thousands of years of history to debase the situation/argument. Its historical fact that jews have lived there for thousands of years. It is the jewish homeland, again this is historical fact. It is muslim ideology that fuels the wars, historical fact. It is historical fact that jews have tried to live alongside muslims. Religion is a motivating factor but not the whole story. Your focus on israels religious foundation but not muslim ideology, constant threats and actual attacks such as oct 7th or when 5 arab armies vowed to wipe out all of the jews in the land shows that you argument is nothing more than regurgutated soundbites that you dont actually understand. " All a result of the way Israel was founded and it's subsequent actions in maintaining that foothold. I put it to you that if Israel didn't exist, or even that it had acted in a reasonable manner none of this would be happening. Iran even said that they would abide by any peace deal the Palestinians agreed to. The fact that there is no peace deal is because Israel refuses to accept peace. You say your post is about the war, all i'm doing is getting to the root cause. I put to you also that even if the Jews' claim to Palestine is legitimate that in the last few centuries where there has been an exponential increase in migration that where one came from a thousand or more years ago is no longer relevant. | |||
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"Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh?" From the writings of the cleric/historian Bishop Sebeos circa 760AD. Now that's what i call evidence. | |||
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"Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh? From the writings of the cleric/historian Bishop Sebeos circa 760AD. Now that's what i call evidence. I’m afraid world affairs have moved on a little since then. " That's the problem with this forum. Every dickhead demands proof/sources/evidence and they all choose whatever they can find via dear old Google that happens to fit with their viewpoint. All trying to sound very educated and clever. When in fact if you met them and asked them face to face tomorrow they wouldn't be able to remember what they posted today. Keyboard warriors. Loosers! | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying. Many people do choose what evidence they believe and also, evidence isnt proof. Many people believe and repeat lies and attribute false intent to things that have actully happened. You can pull up 'evidence' for whatever ridiculous claim you want to make, the internet is full of hot takes and bias. Most of it falls apart under scrutiny, much like your rant about religion. Your own bias caused you to be sure I am a religious headcase when my point was about the validity and accuracy of any evidence that may be presented. You misunderstood, and still do and you are adament you are right despite the ACTUAL fact of the matter being that you went on a rant that had no relevance to what I actually said. " Read the garbage that you are writing like “evidence is not proof” when something is proven and irrefutable then it is evidence, you can argue forever but that is a FACT. Everything that you say is just similar garbage, so please go and waist someone else’s time | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. How very true. Spot on. Well done. It's no point trying to teach the deluded. We all know who they are. So we who are revolted by the actions of the Zealots who have demonstrated a total absence of any humanity in their slaughter of the civilian mostly women and children people of Palestine, and their starvation of entire Arab population are deluded by your standards. What absolute rubbish when these N European squatters squatters who now occupy a large part of Palestine and murder Arabs every day in their genocide against anything Arab. The whole world now sees these Zealots for the garbage they are and even the extremely stupid Americans will eventually waken up to what’s really happening." Didnt you just say the majority of the world is clapping for israel like seals? Now you say the whole world hates them? Making contradictory statements like this is a sign of cognative dissonance. You have to lie to yourself or admit that your thinking is flawed. We already know that the majority of the world does not agree with the claims you make against israel. We've seen the same propganda you have but unlike you we see it for what it is. People have been sceeching genocide for decades yet israel have never been prosecuted. The population of palestine keeps growing, israel keep on vaccinating 600k gazan children against polio in a war zone and warning as many civilians as possible about incoming bombs etc, making millions of phone warnings, text alerts, air dropped pamphlets. Funny how death rates are significantly lower than any other war and how hamas had to retract their false numbers. I think the total death toll is around 75k and we are not told how many of those are hamas fighters. How has hamas been wiped out but only civillians been killed? Most people can see the lies and read the history, some people can't/won't. | |||
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"Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. Nevertheless the evidence that exists in support of Israel's claim to Palestine can only be found in the Old Testament, or rather Graetz's epic rewriting of it which quickly became the Zionist's handbook. Therefore such a claim is based on religious ideology rather than scientific fact. What i was actually referring to was the evidence revealed by modern scientific investigation. Being one who will always choose science over ideology i fail to see how that makes me delusional. The fact that you keep making this accusation suggests that you don't have a better argument available. The jews have lived in that land for millenia. Much of that was under oppresion and subjugation. Irrespective of religious ideology the jews have as much right to be there as the palestinians. History proves that (most) muslims will not live along jews as equals and have refused all opportunities to do so. Your argument is just cherry picking 'facts' and ignoring history. The fact you want to ignore religion and only attribute ideology to one side proves this as islamic ideology is the one causing the wars. Anybody who genuinely looks into the history and the ideologies can only come to one conclusion which is that israel are far from perfect but it is the muslims who want to eradicate the jews, not the other way round. What makes you delusional is that you literally think you know better than the rest of the sane world. You dont have some special information or understanding, you have a distinct lack of information and a warped and uneducated understanding. Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh? Israel ceased to exist in 570BC, until the 1920's they coexisted with the Palestinians perfectly peacefully. The Muslims want to eradicate Israel because they're Zionists and as such foreign invaders who conquered and colonised Palestine by force, not because they're Jews." More cherry picking. You conveniently ignore the many, many pogroms against jews by muslims. You ignore the subjugation of jews and how jews were oppressed and killed by islamic doctrine. One part of that was a forced law intended to humiliate the jews and take their money. Its called jizya. Saying that they lived peacefully together is a massive misrepresentation of history and claiming muslims only hate jews because of israel is an outright lie. Also, up until the 1967 war the jews bought every single square foot of land they owned. In 1967 the arabs started a war and lost massive amounts of land. Israel returned most of it in the 'land for peace' deals. Egypt accepted the deal and have peace with egypt to this day. Palestinians, not so much. | |||
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"Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh? From the writings of the cleric/historian Bishop Sebeos circa 760AD. Now that's what i call evidence." What exactly is it evidence of? Can i say that 2 million arabs choosing to live in israel is proof that arabs love jews? | |||
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"Wrong on so many counts. For example, are you aware that the Jews welcomed the coming Muslim hoard as saviours, joined the ranks of their armies, calling them Ishmaelites and in doing so granting them equal status in the eyes of Yahweh? From the writings of the cleric/historian Bishop Sebeos circa 760AD. Now that's what i call evidence. What exactly is it evidence of? Can i say that 2 million arabs choosing to live in israel is proof that arabs love jews?" Is it the love that dare not speak it's name | |||
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"Seems the general rule is "Orange Man Bad" therefore anything Orange Man supports, or does, is also bad. Almost nobody debates policy or bothers to attempt to understand policy. Opinions are just derived from knee-jerk tribal allegiance. ...so what is the policy.....?...no one in the administration seems to know... And there it is. ...what...?...the policy?....hahaha "As far as I can tell there is no “policy”, tango man just makes it up on a whim as he goes, with no thought to what happens next, and no plan for afterwards. Even his “team” don’t seem to believe able to get their story straight and it changes from day to day. While I may not agree with what has been done, that doesn’t mean I agree with the thoroughly nasty and evil regime, just as I don’t agree with Putrid and his invasion of Ukraine (and Tango Man seems to have been siding with Putrid). | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying. Many people do choose what evidence they believe and also, evidence isnt proof. Many people believe and repeat lies and attribute false intent to things that have actully happened. You can pull up 'evidence' for whatever ridiculous claim you want to make, the internet is full of hot takes and bias. Most of it falls apart under scrutiny, much like your rant about religion. Your own bias caused you to be sure I am a religious headcase when my point was about the validity and accuracy of any evidence that may be presented. You misunderstood, and still do and you are adament you are right despite the ACTUAL fact of the matter being that you went on a rant that had no relevance to what I actually said. Read the garbage that you are writing like “evidence is not proof” when something is proven and irrefutable then it is evidence, you can argue forever but that is a FACT. Everything that you say is just similar garbage, so please go and waist someone else’s time " Proven and irrefutable is evidence, but evidence is not necessarily proven and irrefutable. Lets say that a bank was r0bb3d and evidence from phone tracking placed you right outside the bank at the time. Is that proof you r0bb3d the bank? Or did you just stop at the cash machine? Would the phone evidence be dismissed as evidence when cctv showed you just going to the cash machine? Not all evidence is proof. Its not a difficult concept. | |||
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"The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You write, "that depends on what you call evidence". Again, the only evidence that exists to support Israel is borne of religious ideology. You might not be directly referring to religion but it's easy to see how it could be misconstrued. The discusion is about the war, not the existencte of israel. You want to ignore thousands of years of history to debase the situation/argument. Its historical fact that jews have lived there for thousands of years. It is the jewish homeland, again this is historical fact. It is muslim ideology that fuels the wars, historical fact. It is historical fact that jews have tried to live alongside muslims. Religion is a motivating factor but not the whole story. Your focus on israels religious foundation but not muslim ideology, constant threats and actual attacks such as oct 7th or when 5 arab armies vowed to wipe out all of the jews in the land shows that you argument is nothing more than regurgutated soundbites that you dont actually understand. All a result of the way Israel was founded and it's subsequent actions in maintaining that foothold. I put it to you that if Israel didn't exist, or even that it had acted in a reasonable manner none of this would be happening. Iran even said that they would abide by any peace deal the Palestinians agreed to. The fact that there is no peace deal is because Israel refuses to accept peace. You say your post is about the war, all i'm doing is getting to the root cause. I put to you also that even if the Jews' claim to Palestine is legitimate that in the last few centuries where there has been an exponential increase in migration that where one came from a thousand or more years ago is no longer relevant." Saying if israel didnt exist it wouldnt be happening is akin to saying to an S A victim, "it wouldnt have happened if you didnt go out". Do you accept that if oct 7th hadnt happened the war wouldnt have started? The palestinians will never agree to a peace deal. They openly and repeatedly state that they will not accept anything other than the removal of all jews from the land. They have refused every opportunity for peace. Btw, most palestinians are actually migrants too, from surrounding arab lands. | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying. Many people do choose what evidence they believe and also, evidence isnt proof. Many people believe and repeat lies and attribute false intent to things that have actully happened. You can pull up 'evidence' for whatever ridiculous claim you want to make, the internet is full of hot takes and bias. Most of it falls apart under scrutiny, much like your rant about religion. Your own bias caused you to be sure I am a religious headcase when my point was about the validity and accuracy of any evidence that may be presented. You misunderstood, and still do and you are adament you are right despite the ACTUAL fact of the matter being that you went on a rant that had no relevance to what I actually said. Read the garbage that you are writing like “evidence is not proof” when something is proven and irrefutable then it is evidence, you can argue forever but that is a FACT. Everything that you say is just similar garbage, so please go and waist someone else’s time Proven and irrefutable is evidence, but evidence is not necessarily proven and irrefutable. Lets say that a bank was r0bb3d and evidence from phone tracking placed you right outside the bank at the time. Is that proof you r0bb3d the bank? Or did you just stop at the cash machine? Would the phone evidence be dismissed as evidence when cctv showed you just going to the cash machine? Not all evidence is proof. Its not a difficult concept." IF IT IS NOT PROVEN AND IRREFUTABLE THEN IT IS NOT EVIDENCE, please try to get that info your——- head. | |||
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"I have read some boring threads on here. There have been many threads that degenerate into school play-ground chants of "I'm right" "your wrong" ! This is one is appears to be trying to get into the Guinness book of records as most stupid and boring. Please stop the copy and paste , it becomes impossible to read. The context of any point made in previous comments is lost. " Thank you | |||
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"Because it's Israel it's ok. I can't think of any other nation, now or at any point in history, that has been allowed to commit such diabolical acts and still garner the unwavering support of the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike. Why are they so special? Here you are trying to divert the thread once again as to your hatred of Israel. My thread is about China. No other nation in the world covets and tries to protect it's people. After the Holocaust and the destruction of two thirds of the world Jews, as well as histories Jews destructions, they claimed never again. AND THEY MEAN IT.! Ok, so if China were to invade Taiwan i assume they would face international condemnation much like Russia has for invading The Ukraine would they not? My point, as i'm sure you are aware, is why is it, when the Zionists act in the same way in Palestine the majority of the developed world, governments and peoples alike, cheer from the sidelines like clapping seals? Perhaps you can explain this disparity without falling into the trap of believing that this is because of the Holocaust. Palestine was in the cross-hairs of the Zionists long before that. As for the mantra 'never again' it's plain for all to see that it is happening again only this time the perpetrator is Israel. When the majority of the world and it's governments consistently disagree with your opinion, maybe its not them that is wrong.. Once upon a time the developed world thought that we were created in god's image. Once upon a time the developed world thought that the Earth was flat (i could go on). It's not unknown for the majority to be wrong, all it takes is a few brave, outspoken individuals to point it out. I do understand, by the way. No-one likes to be told that the views they've long held dear are based on lies and manipulation. For said majority to admit this would turn the world on it's side. Its also not unkown for deluded people to think everyone but them is wrong. Opinion based on evidence can hardly be considered delusion. I'm sure Darwin himself would agree. That would depend on what you are calling evidence. Thinking only you can see the 'truth' is actually a sign of delusion. Spoken like a true religious head case, the bible is old and has been rewritten many times, what credence that gives it remains a mystery. Religion was invented by man and used to control the ignorant people who were happy to accept the most ridiculous explanations for anything. Thankfully people now are much better educated and demand evidence, which of course doesn’t exist. Nothing in my posts mentions, or purtains to religion. Ironic that you talk about 'better educated' and evidence straight after you made an entirely fallacious and ridiculous argument. I have no interest in what you said or didn’t say, it’s irrelevant to me. I am concerned more by your totally unfounded accusations and ask you to support them with some facts. The fact is that i didnt say anything about religion but you called me a religious headcase and went of tangent with a rant about religion. That is not only an ad hominem attack but also a strawman argument and also a red herring. A trifecta of fallacies and utterly ridiculous. You asked what one called evidence, as if it was something one could choose when in fact it is proven and irrefutable and actually has often been misrepresented by religious zealots, so indeed what you said was religious. You then went on to suggest that people who thought that only they could see the truth, well I accept proven evidence as being the truth which seems reasonable to me. You may not have mentioned religion but your post certainly stank of bigotry on which all religion stands. Grow up and learn to read and to understand what other people are saying. Many people do choose what evidence they believe and also, evidence isnt proof. Many people believe and repeat lies and attribute false intent to things that have actully happened. You can pull up 'evidence' for whatever ridiculous claim you want to make, the internet is full of hot takes and bias. Most of it falls apart under scrutiny, much like your rant about religion. Your own bias caused you to be sure I am a religious headcase when my point was about the validity and accuracy of any evidence that may be presented. You misunderstood, and still do and you are adament you are right despite the ACTUAL fact of the matter being that you went on a rant that had no relevance to what I actually said. Read the garbage that you are writing like “evidence is not proof” when something is proven and irrefutable then it is evidence, you can argue forever but that is a FACT. Everything that you say is just similar garbage, so please go and waist someone else’s time Proven and irrefutable is evidence, but evidence is not necessarily proven and irrefutable. Lets say that a bank was r0bb3d and evidence from phone tracking placed you right outside the bank at the time. Is that proof you r0bb3d the bank? Or did you just stop at the cash machine? Would the phone evidence be dismissed as evidence when cctv showed you just going to the cash machine? Not all evidence is proof. Its not a difficult concept. IF IT IS NOT PROVEN AND IRREFUTABLE THEN IT IS NOT EVIDENCE, please try to get that info your——- head." You say that but your evidence that i was a religious head case was an easily refutable post that contained no mention of religion... | |||
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Incorrect. I'm literally commenting on things other people have posted regards forum etiquette, not you and your beef with whoever you're beefing with. "So you managed to skip past it then? I do hope all of that extra scrolling wasnt tooo traumatic for you. | |||
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Incorrect. I'm literally commenting on things other people have posted regards forum etiquette, not you and your beef with whoever you're beefing with.
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