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"The guy who did it is serving a whole life tariff so had nothing to lose. He will now have status inside." lol Whatever He’s on a nonses wing Seriously what status do you think anyone on that wing has got exactly? They are all wrongens they all know there wrongens | |||
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"A murderer killed by a murderer. It should have been state law to execute 100% proven murderers. " All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven | |||
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"A murderer killed by a murderer. It should have been state law to execute 100% proven murderers. All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven " Like the Bham 6 and Guilford 4? | |||
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"I’m wondering how, in a maximum security prison, a category A prisoner gets hold of a spiked metal bar to smash someone’s head in. I’m fundamentally opposed to the death penalty (mainly because of the several famous miscarriages of justice where innocent people would have hung if the death penalty had still existed). However, where there is no doubt whatsoever, I wonder what the purpose of keeping some of these vile individuals alive. A quick search shows that a category A prisoner costs £75.5k per year. That means that Huntley cost the taxpayer £1.5million (I know it’s a broad sweep figure) over his 20 years.’ Maybe better spent on funding health care, social care or filling in a few potholes? Just my idle thoughts; no easy answers. Levi Bellfield and Wayne Couzens (and probably plenty more) spring to mind." But if we had the death penalty then the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 would certainly have been executed such was the pressure at the time to arrest and convict them guilty or not. | |||
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"You're assuming Guilford 4 and Brummie 6 were innocent of course "And the hand grenade has been thrown  | |||
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"You're assuming Guilford 4 and Brummie 6 were innocent of course "I'm just assuming you're an idiot | |||
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"You're assuming Guilford 4 and Brummie 6 were innocent of course
I'm just assuming you're an idiot "Lol. | |||
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"The guy who did it is serving a whole life tariff so had nothing to lose. He will now have status inside." He will be moved to solitary for a long time | |||
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"I recall another regime had a cost benefit analysis on who was expensive to keep alive for society. It’s amazing how soon that money saving idea can apply to others in our society. If we think killing is wrong, then state killing is also wrong no matter how much it saves the state. Why am I not surprised at how easy it is to rile up a lynch mob?" Well said. I expect a lot of the comments on here are just masculine bravado. I also expect 95% of the commenters would not be willing to carry out the act themselves. And I also expect that 100% of people on here would see that taking any life is wrong, if they took the time to talk about it. Just need to draw them away from their lynch mobbing. | |||
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"All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven " Except in those cases where it later turns out they didn’t do it. There have been far too many cases of “miscarriages of justice” over the years. Quite recently someone was released after 38 years for a crime it turns out someone else had committed. | |||
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"I’m wondering how, in a maximum security prison, a category A prisoner gets hold of a spiked metal bar to smash someone’s head in. I’m fundamentally opposed to the death penalty (mainly because of the several famous miscarriages of justice where innocent people would have hung if the death penalty had still existed). However, where there is no doubt whatsoever, I wonder what the purpose of keeping some of these vile individuals alive. A quick search shows that a category A prisoner costs £75.5k per year. That means that Huntley cost the taxpayer £1.5million (I know it’s a broad sweep figure) over his 20 years.’ Maybe better spent on funding health care, social care or filling in a few potholes? Just my idle thoughts; no easy answers. Levi Bellfield and Wayne Couzens (and probably plenty more) spring to mind. But if we had the death penalty then the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 would certainly have been executed such was the pressure at the time to arrest and convict them guilty or not. " That’s exactly what I’m saying! | |||
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"All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven Except in those cases where it later turns out they didn’t do it. " Do you think that it might turn out that Huntley didn't do it? | |||
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"All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven Except in those cases where it later turns out they didn’t do it. Do you think that it might turn out that Huntley didn't do it?" Who knows? Although I think he was guilty. I do wonder, though, if the woman involved may have been deeper in it than she admitted. | |||
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" If we think killing is wrong, then state killing is also wrong no matter how much it saves the state. " But the state does approve of killing in certain circumstances, in war for example. | |||
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" If we think killing is wrong, then state killing is also wrong no matter how much it saves the state. But the state does approve of killing in certain circumstances, in war for example. " Any other circumstances that you want to include under 'certain circumstances', or just that one? | |||
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"All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven Except in those cases where it later turns out they didn’t do it. Do you think that it might turn out that Huntley didn't do it?" No idea, but if you asked the same question of members of the Jury that convicted those who were later proved to be innocent they would probably have said “no” until the new evidence came to light. My point is that a death penalty is final and removes any possibility of release in the event that new evidence were to prove that a miscarriage of justice had occurred, and the contention by a previous poster that “All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven” is not always correct. | |||
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" If we think killing is wrong, then state killing is also wrong no matter how much it saves the state. But the state does approve of killing in certain circumstances, in war for example. Any other circumstances that you want to include under 'certain circumstances', or just that one? " To prevent a person killing a bystander - a situation that armed police scan be faced with. | |||
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" Any other circumstances that you want to include under 'certain circumstances', or just that one? " Yes, armed police may kill, if deemed justifiable. Also, similarly, an individual who kills in self defence may be lawful. The point being, to the original comment I replied to, the state does already deem killing as lawful in some circumstances. That’s very different to saying the state does not allow killing. | |||
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"All people found guilty of murder are 100% proven Except in those cases where it later turns out they didn’t do it. Do you think that it might turn out that Huntley didn't do it? Who knows? Although I think he was guilty. I do wonder, though, if the woman involved may have been deeper in it than she admitted." Maxine Carr - who was sentenced to three and a half years for “perverting the cause of justice” but found not guilty of “assisting an offender”. And what about Carr’s mother who was convicted of witness intimidation in the case. | |||
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" Any other circumstances that you want to include under 'certain circumstances', or just that one? Yes, armed police may kill, if deemed justifiable. Also, similarly, an individual who kills in self defence may be lawful. The point being, to the original comment I replied to, the state does already deem killing as lawful in some circumstances. That’s very different to saying the state does not allow killing. " Indeed, but they are all lawful after the act, not before. Deciding to take a life, on purpose, is indefensible. | |||
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" Indeed, but they are all lawful after the act, not before. Deciding to take a life, on purpose, is indefensible. " Killing an enemy in war is a premeditated action by its very nature. | |||
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" Indeed, but outside of war, killing people is not approved of before the act. Indeed, but they are all lawful after the act, not before. Deciding to take a life, on purpose, is indefensible. Killing an enemy in war is a premeditated action by its very nature." | |||
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"I recall another regime had a cost benefit analysis on who was expensive to keep alive for society. It’s amazing how soon that money saving idea can apply to others in our society. If we think killing is wrong, then state killing is also wrong no matter how much it saves the state. Why am I not surprised at how easy it is to rile up a lynch mob? Well said. I expect a lot of the comments on here are just masculine bravado. I also expect 95% of the commenters would not be willing to carry out the act themselves. And I also expect that 100% of people on here would see that taking any life is wrong, if they took the time to talk about it. Just need to draw them away from their lynch mobbing. " I don't think it's a particularly masculine trait. Plenty of women turn into screeching harpies calling for the same thing when they discuss it. Some people just don't think things through to the logical conclusion. That's why most of them don't wield power! | |||
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"What makes a human being turn into a killer ? ...wonder what dreadful upbringing he had ...." Plenty of people have dreadful upbringings that then doesn’t make them monsters. Huntley was born with the devil within. | |||
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"The guy who did it is serving a whole life tariff so had nothing to lose. He will now have status inside." Hi status is a triple murderer and rapist of pregnant women , he like Huntley was on the protection wing as he is a nonce and among the normal population of the prison would and is still a sex case nonce all be it with another body on his bill | |||
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"What makes a human being turn into a killer ? ...wonder what dreadful upbringing he had ...." Why do you assume it had anything to do with his upbringing? There are plenty of murderers, perverts and psychos who have had the best of upbringings but just are the way they are. | |||
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