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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

What industries /businesses will still be busy?

Trades? (Human cheaper and more versatile than robots? )

What else?

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By *KBottom25Man
3 weeks ago

London (Any)

All really still busy just enhanced..

Then again

Sex industry, holidays tourism, etc should boom right? With all that free time we're supposed to have..

Care and hobbies should boom.

Not long before you get the

"made by real humans" product labels and of course premium pricing for that.. Lol

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

But if crash is ten times worse than 1920, who will buy?

Wiring certification might be useful. Can I get an apprenticeship at 58?!?

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By *evanianMan
3 weeks ago

Gogledd Ddwyrain Cymru


"What industries /businesses will still be busy?

Trades? (Human cheaper and more versatile than robots? )

What else? "

The greater question is how can we make sure everyone has enough money to live on if robots and AI take the majority of jobs? Shareholdings in AI will clearly be important.

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage


"What industries /businesses will still be busy?

Trades? (Human cheaper and more versatile than robots? )

What else?

The greater question is how can we make sure everyone has enough money to live on if robots and AI take the majority of jobs? Shareholdings in AI will clearly be important. "

I don't see them nationalising the ai corps!!

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By *astDevonGuyMan
3 weeks ago

Seaton

It’s already happening in the Healthcare industry with admin. Traditional skills like; shorthand, typing , record, waiting list management, theatre scheduling and booking are all disappearing.

Was going to say we could all become delivery , taxi or other drivers, but hang on ………..

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By *eefandfurMan
3 weeks ago

Edinburgh

The worrying thing is the proletariat are neither needed as workers nor consumers.

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By *evanianMan
3 weeks ago

Gogledd Ddwyrain Cymru


"What industries /businesses will still be busy?

Trades? (Human cheaper and more versatile than robots? )

What else?

The greater question is how can we make sure everyone has enough money to live on if robots and AI take the majority of jobs? Shareholdings in AI will clearly be important.

I don't see them nationalising the ai corps!! "

Anything is possible with the wrong admin!!

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By *awihMan
3 weeks ago

Aldershot

The problem with the automation of more and more jobs so companies can save on having to pay wages has one major flaw in it. If you put more and more people out of work, then they have no income and you have less and less customers for your goods and services - just a thought.

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By *ohnisbackMan
3 weeks ago

Farnborough

the insurance industry will loose thousands of jobs in the next few years at a.i. will do easier what humans do now.

also supermarkets will use robots to collect your food in store rady for you to collect.

do to shoplifting getting out of control more shops will have boarded up front spaces where people that hav paid online will collect there goods. nothing will be able to be handled without payment first.

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By *antsMeetsMan
3 weeks ago

uxbridge

My job, there's not enough people doing my job for the work out there and I can make companies a lot of money and it won't change. Get about 3 offers a week on LinkedIn from headhunters.

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By *fcdTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Southend

It’s going to take 90% of jobs and we”ll all subsist on a Universal Basic Income scheme.

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By *fcdTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Southend


"It’s going to take 90% of jobs and we”ll all subsist on a Universal Basic Income scheme."
And nation states will cease to exist with the planet being effectively a playground for a handful of techbro trillionaires.

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull

Interesting piece on R4 this afternoon on how pre-AI text content, written and researched by real humans may soon become a valuable commodity.

It also focussed rather cleverly on how successive generations of AI slop will become meaningless (when AI scrapes and trains itself on already existing AI slop, and successive iterations become more and more nonsensical, rather like the way when digital files get copied and recopied with extra compression each time they'll eventually become mush).

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull

What's sinister (or maybe just stupid) is that LLMs can regurgitate vast amounts of what at first looks like vaguely convincing text, but looked at critically is often riddled with mistakes and is vapid, without the opinion that a human writer will always bring.

LLMs seem to have been trained to provide a non-opinionated viewpoint maybe as a safety feature, but it results in screeds of bland pointless pap. And errors. The errors dismay me. Facebook special interest pages are currently rammed with this crap, often getting such basic stuff as company names completely misspelt (one I saw today on Soviet aviation had Mikoyan-Gurevich rendered as McCoy and Gurovich).

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull

Fortunately I think my job's still safe for the moment, as a large part of it involves parsing data from functionally illiterate tradie types where only human discernment can interpret what's actually wanted. You can't train an AI to decipher barely readable scribbled rubbish that's missing crucial info on a piece of stained paper sent on a blurry WhatsApp photo. Only a human who knows the customer can do that.

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By *racknell DeepthroaterMan
3 weeks ago

Bracknell

The introduction of AI into organisations will be a lot worse than the off shoring of customer call centers. My company have recently made 200 call center staff redundant in India and the Philippines replaced by AI Agents to handle first level customer support and service enquiries, I am sure there will be a lot more changes like this to come...

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull


"The introduction of AI into organisations will be a lot worse than the off shoring of customer call centers. My company have recently made 200 call center staff redundant in India and the Philippines replaced by AI Agents to handle first level customer support and service enquiries, I am sure there will be a lot more changes like this to come..."

As long as the AI agents speak with a British accent I'm sure the Daily Mail readers will be delighted with this show of progress.

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull

I can just picture it. "Awright mate, John here, what's up wiv yer fackin internet then?"

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By *eefandfurMan
3 weeks ago

Edinburgh

GPs and paralegals next.

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage


"Fortunately I think my job's still safe for the moment, as a large part of it involves parsing data from functionally illiterate tradie types where only human discernment can interpret what's actually wanted. You can't train an AI to decipher barely readable scribbled rubbish that's missing crucial info on a piece of stained paper sent on a blurry WhatsApp photo. Only a human who knows the customer can do that."

Depends on the program. They can use it to decipher cuneiform clay tablets from 3k BCE!

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By *dstefiMan
3 weeks ago

Solihull


"Depends on the program. They can use it to decipher cuneiform clay tablets from 3k BCE! "

Written by trained, educated scribes though. Maybe a foreign language but adhering to rules. Unlike the rubbish I have to interpret, scrawled by blokes who are probably very good with their hands and can do a tidy job in construction but are completely unable to communicate coherent instructions on paper.

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

Any job where information is processed and it's 95% correct on average, ai can usually do better than humans now.

The more doctors (GP) and solicitors rely on "Google" the more at risk they become.

Scanning insurance application data from a letter or phonecall, can process twenty languages and a hundred accents, and create the initial quote in most standard policies including factoring in previous claims and any change in circumstances. There is practically no human involvement.

Actuaries rubber-stamp calculations for use in the automation, they no longer run the math directly.

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage


"Depends on th.... but are completely unable to communicate coherent instructions on paper. "

Very true. The ambiguity of written instruction is noted also in many highly educated analysts I've worked with as well!!

I think your right though the current "frontier" that's "safe for now" is direct human informal , unstructured coms and the trades themselves where a robot is just to expensive, and too limited.

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By *upertedMan
3 weeks ago

Nelson

Most organisations I work with are reluctant to fully implement AI due to data protection.

At the moment its all copy and paste confidential client info out of a spreadsheet for example, to feed the core data into AI for analysis.

Already mistakes occurring with a news report of IRS (US Inland Revenue) staff uploading info to ChatGPT. Data stuck in the LLM model now and churned to give responses elsewhere.

Data privacy nightmare.

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage


"Most organisations I work with are reluctant to fully implement AI due to data protection.

At the moment its all copy and paste confidential client info out of a spreadsheet for example, to feed the core data into AI for analysis.

Already mistakes occurring with a news report of IRS (US Inland Revenue) staff uploading info to ChatGPT. Data stuck in the LLM model now and churned to give responses elsewhere.

Data privacy nightmare. "

It was going to happen. Not that musk with his chainsaw and data grab is likely any different , just better hidden.

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By *3versMan
3 weeks ago

glasgow

Interesting tonight - huge fire in Glasgow CC, yet Grok keeps saying images are false, as it sees a Chinese sign (Chinese restaurant), a dome and scaffolding which it seems to be a "Hollywood prop scene". Even with people feeding it streetview images of the local landmarks it still didn't "learn"

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By *fcdTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Southend


"GPs and paralegals next. "
Accountants and bookkeepers too.

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By *fcdTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Southend


"Interesting tonight - huge fire in Glasgow CC, yet Grok keeps saying images are false, as it sees a Chinese sign (Chinese restaurant), a dome and scaffolding which it seems to be a "Hollywood prop scene". Even with people feeding it streetview images of the local landmarks it still didn't "learn""
It’s finally accepting the footage was real. Still arguing about why it got it wrong before though.

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By *eyArchie96Man
3 weeks ago

Braintree

I had an argument with my friends about this the other day, I’m a software engineer and most my friends are tradesman, they think they are immune to AI (quite smug about it as well). I would argue that if a large percent of white collar work ceased to exist…how many people could actually afford tradesman, new houses etc etc. You could potentially have 30% of people unemployed. It would affect everyone.

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By *oosterladMan
3 weeks ago

ipswich


"The worrying thing is the proletariat are neither needed as workers nor consumers. "

Kalergi has a plan for that.

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By *lexieMan
3 weeks ago

Just north of Southampton


"What industries /businesses will still be busy?

Trades? (Human cheaper and more versatile than robots? )

What else?

The greater question is how can we make sure everyone has enough money to live on if robots and AI take the majority of jobs? Shareholdings in AI will clearly be important. "

The original idea was that Ai would take all human jobs and free us all from toil and drudgery. We could then pursue leisure activities in our new human utopia! Unfortunately, the people that own the robots won't share the profits with the workers who's jobs they've taken! The politicians haven't worked that out yet... If they ever will! In the meanwhile we have a huge disparity in wealth and affluence! Welcome to the brave new world... NOT!

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By *ust4inchesMan
3 weeks ago

Shrewsbury


"It’s going to take 90% of jobs and we”ll all subsist on a Universal Basic Income scheme."

Except 90% of statements like that are made up

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By *erscumdumpMan
3 weeks ago

Watford & Worth Matravers

AI will do the jobs AI can do, but there will still be jobs that AI cant do. Whether there's enough jobs to maintain the current status quo and our notion of notmal lifestyle is the question. Maybe AI can work it out 😆

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By *ammy57 OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

I asked. It said I wasn't authorised to view that information.....

(Joke)

Stochastic change isn't the same as annihilation of society ( with few exceptions) but there is usually a painful "dislocation".

If we are to avoid the worst of it we need to put it front and centre of political agenda. It's not good enough to simply say a business has to maximise return to shareholder

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