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"They usually have a better phone than mine round here." I always check their footwear all too often you see hi end trainers | |||
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"They usually have a better phone than mine round here.I always check their footwear all too often you see hi end trainers " Yes, footwear and type of phone. | |||
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"They usually have a better phone than mine round here.I always check their footwear all too often you see hi end trainers Yes, footwear and type of phone. " I see them smoking too, not vapes but expensive cigarettes, they've usually got a 72 inch OLED telly behind them with the full Sky Sports package too - they then pack everything up into their 25 plate Range Rover at the end of the day | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." Here goes the racist who contributes nothing constructive to any forum posts except racism and xenophobia. I wonder what your employer will think of you if they knew what you are like. I hope to god you are not responsible for employees well being, career advancement or mentorship. He is also one of those who have several accounts on here and will no doubt send me an abusive message in my inbox, then block me. | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." Do you ask to see their passport? | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." How far back do you go? Welsh are original on this island. I'll have a corned beef pastie thanks. Yea, tea no sugar. Thanks bro. | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." Can't they get by on their stiff upper lips gadzooks | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British. Here goes the racist who contributes nothing constructive to any forum posts except racism and xenophobia. I wonder what your employer will think of you if they knew what you are like. I hope to god you are not responsible for employees well being, career advancement or mentorship. He is also one of those who have several accounts on here and will no doubt send me an abusive message in my inbox, then block me. " What are my other accounts then you tool? Because I haven't . Proof or fuck off 😂 | |||
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"I once got chatting to a guy. I took him to McDonalds and bought him a meal. While we talked I asked him if he wanted a shower (yes I know) and offered him one at my house. Nothing else. After the shower and a couple of beers he left. About 9-10 months later he knocked on my door and gave me £100.00 for my kindness. The guy ‘Pete’ had sorted himself a job delivering food and was really grateful. " | |||
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"People tend to be homeless through choice. The council will always give them a place to go. But they have to be drink and drug free. So they choose against it. " Hardly think many councils have housing stock to house all the homeless, especially young singles. There's enough families with children waiting for accommodation | |||
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"I wont give to beggars but I will donate to big issue sellers, they're legit and registered. Bigger problem for me is chuggers, we had 2 lots set up either side of the street last week so you couldn't avoid them. They're a fucking nuisance, and I won't donate to charities if I see them using this tactic for "donations" " Personally I won’t donate to any charity that wants my bank details, phone number or e-mail address. Don’t mind giving anonymously (cash and collecting tin). Too many well known “charities” have been done over the years by the ICO for data abuse, some were even caught “financially profiling” donors to see who to contact to try and get more out of them. | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." True British Christian values from a Nigel disciple. | |||
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"Don't ever give anything to foreign beggars guys. Theres plenty of stories out there about professional begging gangs from Romania etc. You never see a genuine fat beggar but you see plenty of fat Romanian beggars. Roma in general, organised criminal scum with their purpose built thieving skirts, some are Chech and Slovakian as well. White Romanians don't like them either. | |||
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"Don't ever give anything to foreign beggars guys. Theres plenty of stories out there about professional begging gangs from Romania etc. You never see a genuine fat beggar but you see plenty of fat Romanian beggars. True. Not Romanian, Roma. | |||
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"I wont give to beggars but I will donate to big issue sellers, they're legit and registered. Bigger problem for me is chuggers, we had 2 lots set up either side of the street last week so you couldn't avoid them. They're a fucking nuisance, and I won't donate to charities if I see them using this tactic for "donations" Big issue sellers here only appear at Christmas and then they are new comers. Numerous homeless sit around hoping for money, others wander around drinking and arguing. If you offer them anything, how do you know if they are genuine? " | |||
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"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Socrates)xx " best quote of the week so far on this thread , everyone is just 2 pay checks away from being homeless. | |||
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"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Socrates)xx best quote of the week so far on this thread , everyone is just 2 pay checks away from being homeless." No they're not. | |||
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"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Socrates)xx best quote of the week so far on this thread , everyone is just 2 pay checks away from being homeless. No they're not." I agree. It's they're choice. Go sign on, get a job !! | |||
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"Thats a bit unfortunate. Most re not actually "desperate" it's a paid job! !" not where I hail from. Yes of course there are those that play the game but they get found out and move on quickly. Just my opinion. | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. " nailed it | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. " Yes they’re all !desperate and destitute! One WS sitting outside M&S the other day blatantly chatting on a smart phone | |||
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"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Socrates)xx best quote of the week so far on this thread , everyone is just 2 pay checks away from being homeless." Pay checks? | |||
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"I never usually use cash but had to draw some out at a cash machine as I had a lodge meeting and there's donations going on there etc. Next to the cash machine was a big fat foreign woman sat down asking for money, I laughed and said im not going to give her a note and she said I could get changed so I laughed and told her to f off and walked away. She started shouting obscenities at me. 😂 I should have clobbered her with my brief case " Do you actually mean to say that you didn't get your lighter out and burn one of your £50 notes in front of her, while enjoying the wide variety of expressions that always crosses their faces? Dashed bad form, old chap. You let the side down, and deprived yourself of one of life's most enjoyable pleasures. | |||
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"I never usually use cash but had to draw some out at a cash machine as I had a lodge meeting and there's donations going on there etc. Next to the cash machine was a big fat foreign woman sat down asking for money, I laughed and said im not going to give her a note and she said I could get changed so I laughed and told her to f off and walked away. She started shouting obscenities at me. 😂 I should have clobbered her with my brief case " That wasn’t obscenities, it was a gypsy curse. Your knob’s gonna go green and drop off. | |||
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"...(I bought him a new one and sleeping bag) does not claim benefits as he is still technically a runaway. Works cash in hand to earn a few pounds a week to eat. I’d rather spend a lifetime with him than ten minutes with you..." I'm not being flippant.. genuine question... Why don't you take him in to live with you? | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. " If you want an echo chamber, go and create your own. Open your eyes. | |||
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"What happened to the old fashioned tramp ,every town had one ,know by everyone in the town and to be honest respected as well . I understand them sleeping in doorways,surely there enough large un used buildings that can be set up for nightime shelter,food etc ,we manage to do it in disaster and war zones . Salvation army manage to do it " Used to be a couple in Bolton town centre, never bothered anyone for anything. I've bought them hot food and given them cigarettes often enough. They never asked though. Now all we have is the same couple of dozen at specific spots on half daily rotation and they are giving a slice to somebody. | |||
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"Don't ever give anything to foreign beggars guys. Theres plenty of stories out there about professional begging gangs from Romania etc. You never see a genuine fat beggar but you see plenty of fat Romanian beggars. It's unbelievable how someone could destroy a country like that. I bet your fart doesn't smell like foreigners. | |||
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"Don't ever give anything to foreign beggars guys. Theres plenty of stories out there about professional begging gangs from Romania etc. You never see a genuine fat beggar but you see plenty of fat Romanian beggars. What does that even mean? | |||
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"It’s not THEIR choice. How do you have a job with your limited knowledge of basic English? I know a lad that was abused physically and ran away at 14. I’ve slept with him (30’s now) and listened to his story. It’s heartbreaking to understand that his own parents were so bad he would rather live on the streets. This lad has no phone, hardly any possessions, lives under a bridge in a threadbare tent (I bought him a new one and sleeping bag) does not claim benefits as he is still technically a runaway. Works cash in hand to earn a few pounds a week to eat. I’d rather spend a lifetime with him than ten minutes with you." If he’s 30 technically he’s an adult and not classed as a run away in any legal sense the most the cops will do if anything is do a basic check and he could claim benefits, so must call BS on this | |||
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"It’s not THEIR choice. How do you have a job with your limited knowledge of basic English? I know a lad that was abused physically and ran away at 14. I’ve slept with him (30’s now) and listened to his story. It’s heartbreaking to understand that his own parents were so bad he would rather live on the streets. This lad has no phone, hardly any possessions, lives under a bridge in a threadbare tent (I bought him a new one and sleeping bag) does not claim benefits as he is still technically a runaway. Works cash in hand to earn a few pounds a week to eat. I’d rather spend a lifetime with him than ten minutes with you." This is either BS, or he's scamming you. I hope its the former. | |||
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"If they’re outside Sainsburys Aldi etc will always buy them sandwich and an orange juice " They used to beg near our retail shop. A women come in to tell us that the beggar on the pavement has asked for change to buy some food. She went into the convenience store and bought a pack of sandwiches and took them to him. He scornfully said "That's no good to me I need cash" So very clearly some of them are frauds. | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. If you want an echo chamber, go and create your own. Open your eyes." like I said you never know what’s around the corner, but guess you’re so perfect you can see into the future….. | |||
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"When covid was rife the government found accommodation for the homeless and got them off the streets and into safety.which proves that homelessness in this country is a political choice. There now seems to be more people homeless than ever. Sometimes shop doorways are a safer option than out of sight or at least somewhere out of the elements.There's more empty properties in the UK than homeless people which speaks volumes and something that should be tackled rather than letting wealthy investors/ local authorities hoard properties they have no intentionof using. The economy is so precarious in this country at the moment most people are on the bread line and struggling. Yet again political will creating hardship rather than tackling it. Its a case of There for the grace of God go I. " I recall the venerable Tony Blair when he was our Prime Minister stating that in the UK there is no need for anyone to be sleeping on the streets. | |||
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"What would Jesus say?" .. "U" terahameh-le-havrakh k" vatakh (Aramaic) | |||
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"What would Jesus say?.. "U" terahameh-le-havrakh k" vatakh (Aramaic)" It's the one about the Good Samaritan | |||
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"What happened to the old fashioned tramp ,every town had one ,know by everyone in the town and to be honest respected as well . I understand them sleeping in doorways,surely there enough large un used buildings that can be set up for nightime shelter,food etc ,we manage to do it in disaster and war zones . Salvation army manage to do it " They used to be known as gentlemen of the streets. There used to be one who lived under the flyover as you come off the M4 at Chiswick, he used dto write political statements etc ana was there for years living in a hut covered in pigeons shit and surrounded by old shopping trolleys etc. He was rude, I once beeped my horn at him and waved and he didn't like it, started shouting and walking towards my car, luckily the lights changed. | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. If you want an echo chamber, go and create your own. Open your eyes. like I said you never know what’s around the corner, but guess you’re so perfect you can see into the future….." I'm merely pointing out your "if you've got nothing positive to say" bollocks. That's not a proper rebuttal in a forum discussion. | |||
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"What happened to the old fashioned tramp ,every town had one ,know by everyone in the town and to be honest respected as well . I understand them sleeping in doorways,surely there enough large un used buildings that can be set up for nightime shelter,food etc ,we manage to do it in disaster and war zones . Salvation army manage to do it They used to be known as gentlemen of the streets. There used to be one who lived under the flyover as you come off the M4 at Chiswick, he used dto write political statements etc ana was there for years living in a hut covered in pigeons shit and surrounded by old shopping trolleys etc. He was rude, I once beeped my horn at him and waved and he didn't like it, started shouting and walking towards my car, luckily the lights changed. Jeremy Corbyn | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop. Some people can’t cope no matter what. For someone to give it the big bollox about having a mortgage to pay and all that shite should keep their gobs shut before passing judgement, as you never know what’s around the corner. If you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. If you want an echo chamber, go and create your own. Open your eyes. like I said you never know what’s around the corner, but guess you’re so perfect you can see into the future….." Have you spoken to any of them? I've offered food, lifts, cigarettes....all the majority want(in Bolton and Manchester Centre), is money. Why? I've witnessed it daily for years. They are working in shifts and passing the money on to what I suppose is a modern day Fagin. They can fuck right off. | |||
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"Don't ever give anything to foreign beggars guys. Theres plenty of stories out there about professional begging gangs from Romania etc. You never see a genuine fat beggar but you see plenty of fat Romanian beggars. It indicates that their nationality is inconsequential and it is impolite to assert otherwise. They could belong to any nationality, for goodness' sake. | |||
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"What happened to the old fashioned tramp ,every town had one ,know by everyone in the town and to be honest respected as well . I understand them sleeping in doorways,surely there enough large un used buildings that can be set up for nightime shelter,food etc ,we manage to do it in disaster and war zones . Salvation army manage to do it " The authorities managed it during covid. If they provided shelter then why cant they do so now? | |||
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"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Socrates)xx best quote of the week so far on this thread , everyone is just 2 pay checks away from being homeless. Pay checks? " Check you've got your cheque. It may still be in the post or made of rubber and bounce. | |||
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"What happened to the old fashioned tramp ,every town had one ,know by everyone in the town and to be honest respected as well . I understand them sleeping in doorways,surely there enough large un used buildings that can be set up for nightime shelter,food etc ,we manage to do it in disaster and war zones . Salvation army manage to do it They used to be known as gentlemen of the streets. There used to be one who lived under the flyover as you come off the M4 at Chiswick, he used dto write political statements etc ana was there for years living in a hut covered in pigeons shit and surrounded by old shopping trolleys etc. He was rude, I once beeped my horn at him and waved and he didn't like it, started shouting and walking towards my car, luckily the lights changed. I've met his brother, mad as a box of frogs | |||
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"When covid was rife the government found accommodation for the homeless and got them off the streets and into safety.which proves that homelessness in this country is a political choice. There now seems to be more people homeless than ever. Sometimes shop doorways are a safer option than out of sight or at least somewhere out of the elements.There's more empty properties in the UK than homeless people which speaks volumes and something that should be tackled rather than letting wealthy investors/ local authorities hoard properties they have no intentionof using. The economy is so precarious in this country at the moment most people are on the bread line and struggling. Yet again political will creating hardship rather than tackling it. Its a case of There for the grace of God go I. I recall the venerable Tony Blair when he was our Prime Minister stating that in the UK there is no need for anyone to be sleeping on the streets." He should be in prison. | |||
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"I'd hope that if was me or anyone I know that people would be at least polite and try to help in any small way they can do. The world needs kindness We obviously cannot change people's lives usually but we can be respectful and treat them as fellows humans. A warm drink or food is not so much to give another person." I visited a local establishment which is famous for its pasties a few months ago and couldn’t help but notice someone begging in the doorway. After exchanging pleasantries the person told me that he hadn’t had anything to eat for 4 days and was hungry. Feeling genuinely sorry for this person I offered to buy him some breakfast as he had already stated that he hadn’t eaten for 4 days. The delinquent declined my offer of breakfast and asked if I could give him some money instead to which I replied not at all. | |||
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"That’s a very valid question. I have a spare room that is for my grandchildren. It’s a lovely room and he has slept in it. I have tentatively offered/asked him but he is early 30’s and I’m almost 60. I think he would have done if I was younger and the room wasn’t my grandchildren’s. I couldn’t have him in my bed as I’m not out and my 8 year old granddaughter would ask too many questions. I do get a bit annoyed with him though as I’ve offered to buy him a burner phone to stay in contact or so he can call me on desperate nights when it’s absolutely freezing or even emergencies like ambulances but he won’t even take that. More than half his life has been him sleeping rough. I sometimes buy him a takeaway or a four pack but he gets offended by that as he in his words ‘isn’t a prxstitue’" Is the burner phone you mentioned an illegal unregistered pay as you go mobile burner phone? | |||
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"Interesting opinions,seems I'm not alone in finding them a nuisance. One guy outside a Supermarket near me gets dropped off and picked up by car!! I don't think many of them are genuinely homeless and are part of organised gangs. " Hear Hear! There is plenty of evidence to suggest that these people are part of organised criminal gangs or OCG’s and that they all posses unregistered pay as you go mobile burner phones. | |||
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"That’s a very valid question. I have a spare room that is for my grandchildren. It’s a lovely room and he has slept in it. I have tentatively offered/asked him but he is early 30’s and I’m almost 60. I think he would have done if I was younger and the room wasn’t my grandchildren’s. I couldn’t have him in my bed as I’m not out and my 8 year old granddaughter would ask too many questions. I do get a bit annoyed with him though as I’ve offered to buy him a burner phone to stay in contact or so he can call me on desperate nights when it’s absolutely freezing or even emergencies like ambulances but he won’t even take that. More than half his life has been him sleeping rough. I sometimes buy him a takeaway or a four pack but he gets offended by that as he in his words ‘isn’t a prxstitue’ Is the burner phone you mentioned an illegal unregistered pay as you go mobile burner phone? " There's nothing illegal about an unregistered phone/sim | |||
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"...(I bought him a new one and sleeping bag) does not claim benefits as he is still technically a runaway. Works cash in hand to earn a few pounds a week to eat. I’d rather spend a lifetime with him than ten minutes with you...because it’s a dream I'm not being flippant.. genuine question... Why don't you take him in to live with you? " | |||
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"I take the view if you’re desperate enough to sit outside a shop, station, street corner or whatever then you’re desperate full stop." i still have a vivid memory from years ago of walking home and seeing a man sitting in a shop doorway. It was late, after 11pm, and the shop was on a road that has a busy night life, quite a few pubs and clubs. There were a couple of police cars parked up and several officers surrounded the man, who had blood streaming down his face and seemed to have difficulty talking. i concluded that he had probably taken a kick to his head. A beggar who hides away at night, under a piece of cardboard or in a sleeping bag, is probably safe, but will not make any money. Some choose to sit around night spots in the hope that people who are happy after indulging in drink will feel generous and throw them some money, perhaps more than they would if they were sober. On the other hand, there is always a possibility of one or several nasty d*unks walking past who feel the need to vent their aggression. It probably happens a lot more often than we know. i would say that is a desperate situation to be in. On that occasion this unfortunate man became one of the victims. | |||
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"Whatever you do, be kind- what goes round- comes round imo & anyone could end up like that- not nesasarily without money , but down & noway of getting back up" Precisely. It's very sad to see comments where people have no clue at all about these people on the streets or their situation. It's very easy to say that they don't give them anything or they despise them when they have the comfort and safety of their honesty to go to. Id hope that someone would help them if they were ever in need of some help. The inhumanity and lack of empathy is really sad. | |||
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"Whatever you do, be kind- what goes round- comes round imo & anyone could end up like that- not nesasarily without money , but down & noway of getting back up Precisely. It's very sad to see comments where people have no clue at all about these people on the streets or their situation. It's very easy to say that they don't give them anything or they despise them when they have the comfort and safety of their honesty to go to. Id hope that someone would help them if they were ever in need of some help. The inhumanity and lack of empathy is really sad." The lack of public empathy has been wholly caused by the fake beggars in shop fronts. We live in a society where begging in front of shops is totally unnecessary as there are numerous services and charities that can, and will, help someone in a dire situation. People aren't stupid. I think there is plenty of empathy and humanity for people amongst us who are genuinely on hard times. | |||
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"I usually buy them something to eat or drink if they are British." Are you serious? What on earth is that? If someone were to ask me what racism means, I would point to your statement... you are truly a joke. | |||
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