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Protests in Ireland on fuel prices

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By *atureTrans OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Waterlooville

Can any Irish members give us an insite into what they hope to achieve?

Is there much of a difference in prices between the Republic and Northern Ireland?

I have heard that you think the carbon tax should be abolished in the Republic, is that correct?

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By *orcester GuyMan
3 weeks ago

Worcestershire North

Just been reading this

Sounds like it’s escalating quickly

Lots of ordinary Irish citizens totally pissed off with their government

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By *atureTrans OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Waterlooville


"Just been reading this

Sounds like it’s escalating quickly

Lots of ordinary Irish citizens totally pissed off with their government "

Yes it sounds familiar. It is wonder if it will spread.

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By *ello 1000Man
3 weeks ago

Lincolnshire

Fuel definitely being affected with a Trump Tax

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By *hiney69Man
3 weeks ago

Leatherhead

From what I understand, there is no shortage of fuel, but there are protesters blockade the distribution sites, creating shortages, so people are panic buying, creating shortages. As usual, the media are making things a lot worse, so they have a dramatic story to report.

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By *weddolMan
3 weeks ago

Chester

Protesting at the American embassies would make more sense

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago

Starting to see forecourts in Dublin now out of fuel.

Stations out west out of fuel since yesterday.

Traffic on most ports, airports, major cities and motorways is halted or disrupted at differing times though still able to move somewhat freely but with extended travel times.

Road or white diesel is around €2.20 a litre of which at least €1.20 is government taxes or roughly 60%.

Green or agri diesel is 1.44 to 1.60 up 40-60% from March to April.

A 3 cent per litre decrease was put in place by the government which is obviously of almost no mitigating use.

As fuel prices rise so does the tax.

Self employed farmers, farm contractors and hauliers are facing massive increases in fuel costs roughly 28 euro per acre obviously depending on work being done.

Keeping in mind a large tractor has a tank of 200-300 litres and could depending on size and workload use that daily.

It's not viable to put machines to work as the margins are already so tight. Now with the current fuel price it's costing money to do work and farmers can't afford to pay for the increase a job requires by the contractor.

Haulage is obviously hit similar.

The government has it within its powers like in other countries to cap the cost of fuel with its tax margins and secure the livelihoods of people who feed and transport goods for all the people on the island.

Instead they threaten the army onto the streets to remove the blockades and protestors.

Most of the public though annoyed of delays being caused are with the protests.

Should the army be called upon to remove vechicles I would hope, though they must follow orders, they would instead find it within themselves to stand with the people. Highly unlikely.

These protestors are not violent actors intent on death or destruction but the ordinary hard working back bone of a country and to see the defence forces used against them would be a humiliation for the army who have been incredibly badly treated by successive government's the last 20 years.

There's a meeting planned for 2pm today and hopefully it will be resoled peacefully.

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By *enjamin2018Man
3 weeks ago

Gosfield

That's a reasoned and articulate post .

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By *atureTrans OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Waterlooville

Thanks Jamie, your post is useful.

When will government's learn, people will except Taxs but only up to when they become excessive, then you get a reaction from the payees, the people.

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By *ubsamcdTV/TS
3 weeks ago

Norwich


"That's a reasoned and articulate post ."

Indeed it is, quite a rarity on the Forums nowadays, thanks Jamie.

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By *ammy57TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Stevenage

Govt could stand up to suppliers and threaten cap on profits and repeated windfall taxes.

In UK when this happened (blocking file supply chke points ) after a week, mi5 "interviewed ringleaders at home" and the "national fuel protest" fell apart. Then they the govt put up fuel duty a week later with zero media or organised popular push back.

Ireland has a problem with major corporates like mining or pharmaceutical or fuel companies (and more recently data centre and

And renewable generators), they act like first nation tribes men signing over land rather than Norway securing national interests.

A few backhanders and the corporates can get whatever they want. Irish govt needs to grow a pair, defend it's national interests, and get it's leaders noses out of the feeding trough.

Only one man went to jail for giving away Ireland's petrochemical resources and even then the contract was never recinded, Despite fraud the govt choose to essentially honour the deal.

It's not the people who should be paying more, it's the corporates who should be severely fined for proffiteering. But that isn't even a fourth headline in the debates presented.

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By *trokemateMan
3 weeks ago

Blarney

One important point that is missing from this (otherwise) pretty comprehensive overview !

The protesters had to decide where they would go to protest.

This sounds pretty obvious but this is the single most important part of a successful & impactful protest.

Now, impactful it has most certainly been.

The country is pretty much shut down.

Successful ?

That’s the problem here.

The protests & blockades are taking place at locations that have massive impact and consequently massive consequences.

They chose to stage these demonstrations at fuel storage depots & oil refineries.

This effectively means, petrol, diesel & home heating oil cannot leave these stores.

Now the garage forecourt’s are empty.

People are queuing for hours where fuel is still available.

There are a number of oil tankers at sea, off the Irish Coast, that cannot dock, because they cannot be unloaded because the storage is full because the fuel cannot get out.

What will happen to these oil tankers now ?

Will they wait ?

How much will it cost to “park” them up awaiting unloading ?

Who will ultimately pay this additional cost on top of the already high price of fuel.

Currently the protests & blockades have public support, but this is fading fast.

People are now stranded, cannot get to work/shops/hospital appointments etc etc

They need to call it off now before the public turns against them.

Even now, if the blockades were lifted immediately, it will take a couple of weeks to recover effective supply at the pumps.

If the call it off NOW TODAY, it will be seen as a successful move even if they don’t get all they demanded (lower prices through lower taxes).

If they keep it going, things will turn very sour very quickly. By mid week next, expect headline news worldwide.

BTW

There were better choices for the protest locations that could have had as much impact without the negative consequences.

Ireland is heavily dependent on Foreign Direct Investment (FDI). Google/Phizer/Intel etc etc are all located here. This is where I would be protesting. Also at the main Government Buildings and large construction sites.

This is where the biggest money is made in Ireland. Shuts these down and heads would be clashed to get the issues resolved.

As it is, it is the people feeling the pain.

The big corporations are shielded and so don’t care.

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By *atureTrans OP   TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Waterlooville

Again some thoughtful and interesting information and points given.

So far the contributions seem to point to the fact that the Repubic and UK have to control fuel duties, to balance the end cost to users.

The suppliers must also be legislated to pay windfall taxes, to smooth the excessive fluctuating oil prices.

If that is to simplistic, correct me.

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By *ilthy tracy300Man
3 weeks ago

lancashire

In the Blair years I was a self employed trucker and took part in our motorway protests all British and foreign drivers played their part in the blockades except Irish drivers who used the hard shoulder to fly past us all ,they certainly didn't give a damm about our protests ,so I won't be supporting theirs

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By *idingcockMan
3 weeks ago

Driffield

Capping fuel prices would cost billions - where do they think their government is going to magic up the money from? As others have said they’d do better to protest outside the American embassy. I’ve more sympathy with hauliers and farmers but those in SUVs perhaps could make some adjustments to their lives to reduce their fuel consumption.

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By *un only 69Man
3 weeks ago

Belfast

NORTHERN IRELANDs fuel protests are meant to be on the 14th April

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