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"Agree he should go, and so should the Labour party that has supported him" Completely agree. David Lammy’s brief at this time was Foreign Secretary. Rotting to the core, the lot of them. | |||
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"This is a meet site not a politics forum……" Oh dear, not happy because no one wants your hook up on Sunday?? 😝 | |||
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"Oh dear, not happy because no one wants your hook up on Sunday?? 😝" As the old saying goes. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. If no one else wants to come with us all the more pussy for me!!!  | |||
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"Oh dear, not happy because no one wants your hook up on Sunday?? 😝 As the old saying goes. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. If no one else wants to come with us all the more pussy for me!!! "Fair play! 👍 | |||
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"Agree he should go, and so should the Labour party that has supported him Completely agree. David Lammy’s brief at this time was Foreign Secretary. Rotting to the core, the lot of them." Please, please, let it be David Lammy that takes the fall (Keir Starmer, supposedly, only learned of the failed security vetting this week 😏) 🤞🤞 | |||
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"This is a meet site not a politics forum……" The forum is open to all sorts, not limited to arranging meetings… and the site itself may be used for a variety of reasons  | |||
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"This is a meet site not a politics forum……" But it is a forum. The Lounge forum where pretty much anything goes. | |||
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"Oh dear, not happy because no one wants your hook up on Sunday?? 😝 As the old saying goes. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. If no one else wants to come with us all the more pussy for me!!! "Can't help but smile. This reminded me of Dorothy Parker when she saw a flousie on the arm of some important chap, "You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think". | |||
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"It doesn't matter what colour rosette they ware, they are all liars. Not that I'm a Starmer fan at all but they are all as bad as each other. The days of right honorable are long gone. I don't know how we will ever get back to being able to trust what our leaders say sadly. Modern times 🙄 just blag your way through and hope knowone notices. Government is a total mess." Politics again ffs ? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 17/04/26 09:47:05]" he claims his decisions are made in the name of national interests. Enough with the lies, you deceiver. You misled the public before the election. The national interest is that the people want you gone, you fraud. | |||
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"It doesn't matter what colour rosette they ware, they are all liars. Not that I'm a Starmer fan at all but they are all as bad as each other. The days of right honorable are long gone. I don't know how we will ever get back to being able to trust what our leaders say sadly. Modern times 🙄 just blag your way through and hope knowone notices. Government is a total mess." Politicians, Bankers, Lawyers, Insurance/Financial Advisors, Medical Practitioners, Police, Security Services, Civil Servants, Social Workers... The proffesional elements of our society that have traditionally been revered and trusted and held in high regard by the general public... Have of late lost all respect because of dishonestly, unprofessional behavior and lack of accountability are now held in contempt and distain by the general public! This is synonymous with a society that is rotten to the core and breaking down...  | |||
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"It doesn't matter what colour rosette they ware, they are all liars. Not that I'm a Starmer fan at all but they are all as bad as each other. The days of right honorable are long gone. I don't know how we will ever get back to being able to trust what our leaders say sadly. Modern times 🙄 just blag your way through and hope knowone notices. Government is a total mess." Agree 💯 It’s an easy career for those whom attended drama school & are articulate They are one of us when campaigning then one of them when on gravy train | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots." This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two... | |||
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"Paraphrasing Rayners words theyre all filthy scuuum!" Very true | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots. This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two..." Then why not change the name and make that clear. Anyone supporting the 'old' Labour party shouldn't support the current bunch of sanctimonious, holier than thou, useless idiots. Time for serious old Labour MP's to vote against Stamer etc in vote of no confidence. Clear the swamp and give us a General Election.... | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots." They wouldn’t know what it means to be working class let alone help them We need a proper leader who has come from a “proper” working class background and has experienced what it’s like to live on the breadline and work all hours god sent to food on the table and keep a roof over your head | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 17/04/26 09:47:05]he claims his decisions are made in the name of national interests. Enough with the lies, you deceiver. You misled the public before the election. The national interest is that the people want you gone, you fraud." "Politics again ffs ?" 😏 | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. " In the disabled parking space? Again? | |||
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"In the uk we have some of the most intelligent humans on the planet I simply ask : How the fuck did these sanctimonious greedy thick fucks manage to climb that height of the ladder of success? "Not what you know, its what you know about who you know  | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. " If, by some total disaster, the dreaded Nigel and his motley crew, ever got into power, corruption will be on a mammoth scale. Anything that Starmer, Boris or whoever else has done will look like a misplaced teaspoon at a children's party by comparison. | |||
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"Starmer was Chief Prosecutor, a highly trained KC who loves bureaucracy & due process. He’s got to go." When was Starmer KC? QC you mean surely? Also, what can't you get your head around? Is it a new concept to you that politicians are liars? | |||
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"Starmer was Chief Prosecutor, a highly trained KC who loves bureaucracy & due process. He’s got to go. When was Starmer KC? QC you mean surely? Also, what can't you get your head around? Is it a new concept to you that politicians are liars?" Eh? Starmer is a KC now and is for life. The Right Honourable Sir Kier Starmer KCB KC MP, for his full title. Also, lying is not the same as being staggeringly incompetent. | |||
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"Starmer was Chief Prosecutor, a highly trained KC who loves bureaucracy & due process. He’s got to go. When was Starmer KC? QC you mean surely? Also, what can't you get your head around? Is it a new concept to you that politicians are liars?" And don’t call me Shirley. | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. " I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Faridge on the radio saying Starmer lied and should go, but on reflection he should know. | |||
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"No 10 digging in, Lammy implicated, Cooper implicated. The damage they are doing to the Labour Party should be stopped. Upstanding Labour MP's need to consider if they want to continue to support this inept Government or do their Party, and the Country, a favour and put this lot out of their missery by voting with the Opposition Parties in a 'no confidence' vote. What a disgrace! " Most of them are just trying to keep their generous salary and expenses for as long as possible. Doubt many could get anywhere near a 6-figure income in the outside world. | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Faridge on the radio saying Starmer lied and should go, but on reflection he should know." What a pretty pathetic attempt at deflection!! Starmer making a right cunt of himself, but let’s talk Nigel!! 😆 | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Faridge on the radio saying Starmer lied and should go, but on reflection he should know. What a pretty pathetic attempt at deflection!! Starmer making a right cunt of himself, but let’s talk Nigel!! 😆" Not deflecting, I did not say that Starmer isn’t wrong, in fact read more of the thread, I merely pointed out the liar in chief Nige, is getting indignant because Starmer is caught out. The hypocrisy is to be expected I guess. | |||
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"probably out with Starmer giving free cash to dole scroungers." What does that even mean ? | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Faridge on the radio saying Starmer lied and should go, but on reflection he should know. What a pretty pathetic attempt at deflection!! Starmer making a right cunt of himself, but let’s talk Nigel!! 😆 Not deflecting, I did not say that Starmer isn’t wrong, in fact read more of the thread, I merely pointed out the liar in chief Nige, is getting indignant because Starmer is caught out. The hypocrisy is to be expected I guess." Pathetic! Why even mention Nigel regarding this controversy? This is Starmer’s & the government’s disaster, nothing to do whatsoever with Farage. What is the equivalent hypocrisy? 🙄 | |||
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"probably out with Starmer giving free cash to dole scroungers. What does that even mean ? " At a guess, the mammoth welfare bill of the British state that pays out 14 billion more in welfare than the entire tax revenue that HMRC takes??? | |||
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"Hilarious hypocrisy with Sir Beer Korma. Foaming at the mouth to get rid or Boris, yet when he does the same blames everyone under the sun to cling on. Funny how all the left wingers on here have suddenly gone silent. " Left wingers are talking to Greta Thunberg to get an advice in this tough situation | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots. This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two... Then why not change the name and make that clear. Anyone supporting the 'old' Labour party shouldn't support the current bunch of sanctimonious, holier than thou, useless idiots. Time for serious old Labour MP's to vote against Stamer etc in vote of no confidence. Clear the swamp and give us a General Election...." Blair hi-jacked the Labour Party when John Smith passed! Starmer is just a continuation of that same ethos! Remember what Starmer and his cohorts did to Jeramy Corbin (a true socialist). There are a few socialists keeping their heads down within the current toxic Labour ranks... wait till the May elections results, those socialists will rise up and oust Starmer, if he has not gone before! | |||
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"Hilarious hypocrisy with Sir Beer Korma. Foaming at the mouth to get rid or Boris, yet when he does the same blames everyone under the sun to cling on. Funny how all the left wingers on here have suddenly gone silent. Left wingers are talking to Greta Thunberg to get an advice in this tough situation " Hmmm choices. Knickers in a twist or plaits in a twist? | |||
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"probably out with Starmer giving free cash to dole scroungers. What does that even mean ? At a guess, the mammoth welfare bill of the British state that pays out 14 billion more in welfare than the entire tax revenue that HMRC takes???" Whose money are you going to chop? | |||
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"If you’re looking for moral probity Nigel and his small gang are waiting in the wings looking hopeful. I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Faridge on the radio saying Starmer lied and should go, but on reflection he should know. What a pretty pathetic attempt at deflection!! Starmer making a right cunt of himself, but let’s talk Nigel!! 😆 Not deflecting, I did not say that Starmer isn’t wrong, in fact read more of the thread, I merely pointed out the liar in chief Nige, is getting indignant because Starmer is caught out. The hypocrisy is to be expected I guess. Pathetic! Why even mention Nigel regarding this controversy? This is Starmer’s & the government’s disaster, nothing to do whatsoever with Farage. What is the equivalent hypocrisy? 🙄" I mentioned it because the usual talking heads were wheeled out to give their verdict on the situation…Badenoch says he must go, as she always does in response to any question, Ed waffled on about process…do you see what I was shooting for? Quite simple really, but if you believe it was pathetic deflection then go ahead, I can’t change your mind, I don’t need to change your mind. Faridge is a proven liar, Mandy should not have got the job, Starmer is caught out, Badenoch has got nothing, Davey is mostly irrelevant despite a seemingly gaping wide open goal in front of him… | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots. This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two... Then why not change the name and make that clear. Anyone supporting the 'old' Labour party shouldn't support the current bunch of sanctimonious, holier than thou, useless idiots. Time for serious old Labour MP's to vote against Stamer etc in vote of no confidence. Clear the swamp and give us a General Election.... Blair hi-jacked the Labour Party when John Smith passed! Starmer is just a continuation of that same ethos! Remember what Starmer and his cohorts did to Jeramy Corbin (a true socialist). There are a few socialists keeping their heads down within the current toxic Labour ranks... wait till the May elections results, those socialists will rise up and oust Starmer, if he has not gone before! " .... ... Socialism isn't going to win Labour a whopping majority. Corbyn may well be a 'true' socialist yet he was happy enough to hand Johnson a majority. Where was his socialism then? His second election campaign was pretty much a betrayal of working class people. He didn't give a f---- about winning. | |||
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"probably out with Starmer giving free cash to dole scroungers. What does that even mean ? At a guess, the mammoth welfare bill of the British state that pays out 14 billion more in welfare than the entire tax revenue that HMRC takes??? Whose money are you going to chop? " Don't chop the genuine wefare payments... We are losing billions in PAYE... every time a PAYE employee is replaced by a computer, Ai or a robot then that tax is lost! Charge the new automated employees PAYE and recoup the lost tax! Loadsa money! What's the point of automation and Ai if we humans don't frigging benefit from it? D'oh!  | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots. This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two... Then why not change the name and make that clear. Anyone supporting the 'old' Labour party shouldn't support the current bunch of sanctimonious, holier than thou, useless idiots. Time for serious old Labour MP's to vote against Stamer etc in vote of no confidence. Clear the swamp and give us a General Election.... Blair hi-jacked the Labour Party when John Smith passed! Starmer is just a continuation of that same ethos! Remember what Starmer and his cohorts did to Jeramy Corbin (a true socialist). There are a few socialists keeping their heads down within the current toxic Labour ranks... wait till the May elections results, those socialists will rise up and oust Starmer, if he has not gone before! .... ... Socialism isn't going to win Labour a whopping majority. Corbyn may well be a 'true' socialist yet he was happy enough to hand Johnson a majority. Where was his socialism then? His second election campaign was pretty much a betrayal of working class people. He didn't give a f---- about winning." Granted, Corbyn could have played his cards better... but winning at any cost is not good; you end up with bad unprincipled government! What we need is to do away with this undemocratic 'first past the post' voting system we have in the UK...! | |||
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"Is there anyone (certainly 50+ years old) on here that thinks that Mandy NEEDED to be vetted in the first place? If there is; they are either naive, ignorant or lying. Or all 3. A bit like Starmer. Mandelsons past actions prove what type of person he is." There's far more to all of this than meets the eye. | |||
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" Blair hi-jacked the Labour Party when John Smith passed! Starmer is just a continuation of that same ethos! Remember what Starmer and his cohorts did to Jeramy Corbin (a true socialist). There are a few socialists keeping their heads down within the current toxic Labour ranks... wait till the May elections results, those socialists will rise up and oust Starmer, if he has not gone before! .... ... Socialism isn't going to win Labour a whopping majority. Corbyn may well be a 'true' socialist yet he was happy enough to hand Johnson a majority. Where was his socialism then? His second election campaign was pretty much a betrayal of working class people. He didn't give a f---- about winning." Mandelson was the architect of New Labour/Blairism. He thought up the radical change from dying socialism to middle-of-the-road politics. Blair was very much the front man. The acceptable face of a new era. Something the rathe sinister Mandelson could never be. Corbyn tried to reverse things to old Labour but the world has moved on. | |||
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"Starmer never fully recovered after failing to free the sausages. He’s got to go." Who should replace him Roxy? | |||
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"Starmer never fully recovered after failing to free the sausages. He’s got to go. Who should replace him Roxy? " A Reform government, either soon or 2029, sooner much preferable. | |||
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"Sorry but the security vetting was not needed, Every teacher , cleaner , binman and shop worker in the uk knew Mandelson had a thick vein of deception running up his spine without asking the secret service to tell them. Starmer knew enough to know this and still appointed him ,says a lot about starmer’s judgment and his own moral compass " Yet this made him the perfect choice for ambassador to the US with a Trump administration; greasily charming and flattering would have got us several big diplomatic wins with the world's greatest narcissist who doesn't like being told hard truths. I suspect this is why nobody worried too much about vetting; he was a natural shoo-in for the job and would have done it well were it not for dodgy personal links. | |||
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"Sorry but the security vetting was not needed, Every teacher , cleaner , binman and shop worker in the uk knew Mandelson had a thick vein of deception running up his spine without asking the secret service to tell them. Starmer knew enough to know this and still appointed him ,says a lot about starmer’s judgment and his own moral compass Yet this made him the perfect choice for ambassador to the US with a Trump administration; greasily charming and flattering would have got us several big diplomatic wins with the world's greatest narcissist who doesn't like being told hard truths. I suspect this is why nobody worried too much about vetting; he was a natural shoo-in for the job and would have done it well were it not for dodgy personal links." There was absolutely no need to get rid of the incumbent ambassador at the time, Dame Karen Pierce, who expressed a desire to remain. Trump liked her very much and was highly regarded amongst those in Washington on both sides. So much so, the President wanted to invite her to the banquet on his State visit but the British felt it would have been a snub to the fairly new appointed Mandelson. It was totally unnecessary to remove Dame Karen in the first place. | |||
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" Funny how all the left wingers on here have suddenly gone silent. " Precisely! All in hiding I suppose and in despair at all the Labour sleaze 🙄 Of course, a certain fan of Starmer, from Stratford-upon-Avon, is no longer a member. Otherwise this thread would have ended the day it started! | |||
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" Funny how all the left wingers on here have suddenly gone silent. Precisely! All in hiding I suppose and in despair at all the Labour sleaze 🙄 Of course, a certain fan of Starmer, from Stratford-upon-Avon, is no longer a member. Otherwise this thread would have ended the day it started!" Oh! Starmer’s fan boy on fabguys has left the building?? Thought I’d not seen nor heard from him recently. Maybe he got Morgan McSweeney’s job? | |||
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" Also, lying is not the same as being staggeringly incompetent. " Ah yes but starma is a staggeringly incompetent liar so doesn’t really make a blind bit of difference in this instance | |||
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"Boris misleads Parliament and Starmer wants him hanged. Starmer misleads Parliament and nothing to see here governor. " . How did Boris mislead parliament? | |||
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"The only way Starmer will survive this, and the inevitable drubbing his party will get in May, is because there is no natural successor waiting in the wings, and his 400+ MPs might close ranks to save their own tasteless bacon." . Starmer is a dictator. Anyone opposing him gets the Chop. Liebour are to spineless to oppose him. Reality is Starmer is more like Trump than farage is | |||
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"Starmer never fully recovered after failing to free the sausages. He’s got to go. Who should replace him Roxy? A Reform government, either soon or 2029, sooner much preferable." Horrendous thought. | |||
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"So is Starmer a liar or a fool ? My theory- once elected he was ushered into a side room & given a script " Any possibility it’s both? | |||
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"So is Starmer a liar or a fool ? My theory- once elected he was ushered into a side room & given a script " Probably not far off the truth. Pre-election Starmer was generally viewed as respected & trustworthy by the electorate and he wasn’t a Tory, thus a shoe in. He was the most logical leader for Labour, gobshite Rayner may not have won, she’s very marmite. I’m not convinced Labour felt Starmer had any vision or ideology, he was just used for a victory. He’s not a politician and it has been clear the backbenchers call the shots. It’s very damaging to our country and we are effectively not being governed. | |||
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"I am shocked at how poor he is. After all the sleeze, infighting and faliure of the torys, he only had to be average as a pm but he is terrible and lives by double standards" He's probably too nice and eager to please to be a successful, effective PM 😐🫥… and the whole mess of leaving the EU hasn't done him any favours! | |||
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"Starmer never fully recovered after failing to free the sausages. He’s got to go. Who should replace him Roxy? A Reform government, either soon or 2029, sooner much preferable. Horrendous thought." Indeed I think Nigel and his team of grifters would be too busy flogging crypto currency and filming happy birthday messages to govern the country. Trump gave Nigel the bums rush the last time he flew out to Mar a Lago. As for the team: Braverman was Home Secretary during the Boris wave of immigration; Jenrick nodded through a planning application for Dirty Desmond in return for a sizeable contribution; Zahawi had a little difficulty with HMRC when he was briefly chancellor; Danny Kruger is a hard right Christian who almost certainly doesn’t approve of Fab; Ann Widdecombe is somewhat over the hill; 20p Lee is not going to charm the birds out of the trees; Andrea Jenkyn fancies herself as a pub singer with insomnia; the Olympic gold medalist who is the Mayor of Hull and the East Riding has been described as ‘Missing in Action’ and Mad Nad forgot to visit her constituency for the last two years before her abortive bid for a seat in the House of Lords. I’m as disappointed with Labour as you are Roxy but I don’t see Reform as the answer. | |||
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"Starmer never fully recovered after failing to free the sausages. He’s got to go. Who should replace him Roxy? A Reform government, either soon or 2029, sooner much preferable. Horrendous thought. Indeed I think Nigel and his team of grifters would be too busy flogging crypto currency and filming happy birthday messages to govern the country. Trump gave Nigel the bums rush the last time he flew out to Mar a Lago. As for the team: Braverman was Home Secretary during the Boris wave of immigration; Jenrick nodded through a planning application for Dirty Desmond in return for a sizeable contribution; Zahawi had a little difficulty with HMRC when he was briefly chancellor; Danny Kruger is a hard right Christian who almost certainly doesn’t approve of Fab; Ann Widdecombe is somewhat over the hill; 20p Lee is not going to charm the birds out of the trees; Andrea Jenkyn fancies herself as a pub singer with insomnia; the Olympic gold medalist who is the Mayor of Hull and the East Riding has been described as ‘Missing in Action’ and Mad Nad forgot to visit her constituency for the last two years before her abortive bid for a seat in the House of Lords. I’m as disappointed with Labour as you are Roxy but I don’t see Reform as the answer. " So, how can we Resolve this dilemma? We need a patriot that is a self made man, owes no one any allegiances, someone that that has run successful businesses and made so much money that he has no requirement for graft or corruption! A well principled man with a clear vision of what has to be done to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Rupert is the man to drive this through, Resolve is the vehicle to get us there! | |||
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"Indeed I think Nigel and his team of grifters would be too busy flogging crypto currency and filming happy birthday messages to govern the country. Trump gave Nigel the bums rush the last time he flew out to Mar a Lago. As for the team: Braverman was Home Secretary during the Boris wave of immigration; Jenrick nodded through a planning application for Dirty Desmond in return for a sizeable contribution; Zahawi had a little difficulty with HMRC when he was briefly chancellor; Danny Kruger is a hard right Christian who almost certainly doesn’t approve of Fab; Ann Widdecombe is somewhat over the hill; 20p Lee is not going to charm the birds out of the trees; Andrea Jenkyn fancies herself as a pub singer with insomnia; the Olympic gold medalist who is the Mayor of Hull and the East Riding has been described as ‘Missing in Action’ and Mad Nad forgot to visit her constituency for the last two years before her abortive bid for a seat in the House of Lords. I’m as disappointed with Labour as you are Roxy but I don’t see Reform as the answer. " Cracking summary of the absolute shit show of a clown cart that's what passes for the right in this country now. Idiots the lot of them. I hated Thatcher but at least her ideology-driven government had some competent politicians. Can't deny that Farage has got something about him that appeals to the slow-witted who can't see through his bullshit, but he's a one-trick pony surrounded by Tory ship-jumpers and racist nobodies. | |||
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"Rupert doesn’t have mass appeal and is going to struggle to be up and running for 2029 " Well, who do you advocate Ridingcock? It’s very easy to critique those who shouldn’t be in power but not so for those that should. There is only a very limited choice anyway. Tories? A busted flush, they’ve not a chance though I think Kemi is doing the best she can. Labour? Just as bad, if not worse, a total shit show, they’re looking at another generation in the wilderness. Libs? Ed Davey? Really? A complete clown of the highest order. Greens? Polanski should be sectioned, an absolute nut job. Above is the reality, the only viable choices and, of course, Reform. Nobody could advocate anyone but Reform as the rest are so bad. | |||
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"This looks serious for Starmer, and any of his Cabinet who have gone along with the cover-up. What a sad party Labour is. No longer in touch with its working class roots. This Blairite, pale blue Labour Party has nothing to do with the traditional Socialist Labour Party of the past! Don't confuse the two..." All metropolitan socialists with zero real world experience. | |||
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"Rupert doesn’t have mass appeal and is going to struggle to be up and running for 2029 Well, who do you advocate Ridingcock? It’s very easy to critique those who shouldn’t be in power but not so for those that should. There is only a very limited choice anyway. Tories? A busted flush, they’ve not a chance though I think Kemi is doing the best she can. Labour? Just as bad, if not worse, a total shit show, they’re looking at another generation in the wilderness. Libs? Ed Davey? Really? A complete clown of the highest order. Greens? Polanski should be sectioned, an absolute nut job. Above is the reality, the only viable choices and, of course, Reform. Nobody could advocate anyone but Reform as the rest are so bad. " Labour haven’t exactly got an obvious replacement for Starmer. You ask me to advocate for someone but I can’t summon up any enthusiasm for any of them. Farage is an effective disrupter but he’s always on to the next thing. Government is a pitiless grind and he’d get bored. What I think will happen is that it will be split across four or five parties in 2029, six in Wales and Scotland. The first past the post system is designed for unambiguous results but it won’t work out like that with the wide range of parties we have at the moment. Posh areas like Surrey and Buckinghamshire won’t stoop to Reform and will hold their noses and stick with the Tories. Areas with lots of academics and middle class professionals like Islington and Hampstead will complain bitterly but stay with Labour. The Lib Dems will hold onto the West Country and South West London. Reform/Restore will do well in deprived white working class areas. The Greens will win seats with lots of students and/or boho chic. The nationalists will storm Wales and Scotland. BUT 2029 is three years away and a lot can happen between now and then. Maybe we’ll end up with a government of national unity as we did in the war. If Putin wins in Ukraine then Poland and the Baltic states will be next. Trump is unhinged and literally anything might happen with him. China and India are not natural allies even if they were interested in us. Our neighbours in Europe are pissed off with us and won’t be up for any more Brexit esque drama. I think that the Commonwealth will continue in name only now that Elizabeth II has gone to her rest. IF I were the Prime Minister in a national unity government I’d be doing my best to cosy up to Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Id say the whole country would be going on a war footing. I’d be telling youngsters to get out of their bedrooms, get some fresh air and do something useful. Only those with severe mental health problems would be eligible for benefits; those with mild anxiety or depression would have to follow the youngsters out of their bedrooms. Those using walking sticks and mobility scooters as decoys would be told to shape up. I’d close a tranche of universities offering silly courses and invest the money saved in those providing traditional nation building degrees. Only the seriously clever would get a place. Vocational courses in colleges would be ramped up for those emerging from bedrooms. We’d have to get back to Cold War levels of defence spending. Pensioners (myself included) would be told that the triple lock had done its job and it was time to help out. I’d give warning that the state pension age was going up to 70. I’d give the police the resources to crack down on organised crime particularly drug cartels that are leaching the life out of our society. I’d give teachers the right to discipline children appropriately and sanction the benefits of parents whose children didn’t engage with education. Being a parent is tough and it’s about tough love; children need loving boundaries and to hear the word ‘no’ from time to time, not to be endlessly indulged. We need to accept that standards of living can’t keep going up and will plateau for a while. The money saved needs to be spent on defence and building up a rules based society. Howzat | |||
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"Rupert doesn’t have mass appeal and is going to struggle to be up and running for 2029 Well, who do you advocate Ridingcock? It’s very easy to critique those who shouldn’t be in power but not so for those that should. There is only a very limited choice anyway. Tories? A busted flush, they’ve not a chance though I think Kemi is doing the best she can. Labour? Just as bad, if not worse, a total shit show, they’re looking at another generation in the wilderness. Libs? Ed Davey? Really? A complete clown of the highest order. Greens? Polanski should be sectioned, an absolute nut job. Above is the reality, the only viable choices and, of course, Reform. Nobody could advocate anyone but Reform as the rest are so bad. Labour haven’t exactly got an obvious replacement for Starmer. You ask me to advocate for someone but I can’t summon up any enthusiasm for any of them. Farage is an effective disrupter but he’s always on to the next thing. Government is a pitiless grind and he’d get bored. What I think will happen is that it will be split across four or five parties in 2029, six in Wales and Scotland. The first past the post system is designed for unambiguous results but it won’t work out like that with the wide range of parties we have at the moment. Posh areas like Surrey and Buckinghamshire won’t stoop to Reform and will hold their noses and stick with the Tories. Areas with lots of academics and middle class professionals like Islington and Hampstead will complain bitterly but stay with Labour. The Lib Dems will hold onto the West Country and South West London. Reform/Restore will do well in deprived white working class areas. The Greens will win seats with lots of students and/or boho chic. The nationalists will storm Wales and Scotland. BUT 2029 is three years away and a lot can happen between now and then. Maybe we’ll end up with a government of national unity as we did in the war. If Putin wins in Ukraine then Poland and the Baltic states will be next. Trump is unhinged and literally anything might happen with him. China and India are not natural allies even if they were interested in us. Our neighbours in Europe are pissed off with us and won’t be up for any more Brexit esque drama. I think that the Commonwealth will continue in name only now that Elizabeth II has gone to her rest. IF I were the Prime Minister in a national unity government I’d be doing my best to cosy up to Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Id say the whole country would be going on a war footing. I’d be telling youngsters to get out of their bedrooms, get some fresh air and do something useful. Only those with severe mental health problems would be eligible for benefits; those with mild anxiety or depression would have to follow the youngsters out of their bedrooms. Those using walking sticks and mobility scooters as decoys would be told to shape up. I’d close a tranche of universities offering silly courses and invest the money saved in those providing traditional nation building degrees. Only the seriously clever would get a place. Vocational courses in colleges would be ramped up for those emerging from bedrooms. We’d have to get back to Cold War levels of defence spending. Pensioners (myself included) would be told that the triple lock had done its job and it was time to help out. I’d give warning that the state pension age was going up to 70. I’d give the police the resources to crack down on organised crime particularly drug cartels that are leaching the life out of our society. I’d give teachers the right to discipline children appropriately and sanction the benefits of parents whose children didn’t engage with education. Being a parent is tough and it’s about tough love; children need loving boundaries and to hear the word ‘no’ from time to time, not to be endlessly indulged. We need to accept that standards of living can’t keep going up and will plateau for a while. The money saved needs to be spent on defence and building up a rules based society. Howzat " Good post Ridingcock but doesn’t answer what party would provide your desired observations. In fact, I’d say quite a bit aligns with the right, certainly not the left. I’m very unambiguous, I’m voting Reform next month and at GE29. Previously, I was Labour up until 2010, then UKIP, then Boris now Reform. Your vote goes somewhere, even in a coalition situation. Who you voting for? | |||
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"Rupert doesn’t have mass appeal and is going to struggle to be up and running for 2029 Well, who do you advocate Ridingcock? It’s very easy to critique those who shouldn’t be in power but not so for those that should. There is only a very limited choice anyway. Tories? A busted flush, they’ve not a chance though I think Kemi is doing the best she can. Labour? Just as bad, if not worse, a total shit show, they’re looking at another generation in the wilderness. Libs? Ed Davey? Really? A complete clown of the highest order. Greens? Polanski should be sectioned, an absolute nut job. Above is the reality, the only viable choices and, of course, Reform. Nobody could advocate anyone but Reform as the rest are so bad. Labour haven’t exactly got an obvious replacement for Starmer. You ask me to advocate for someone but I can’t summon up any enthusiasm for any of them. Farage is an effective disrupter but he’s always on to the next thing. Government is a pitiless grind and he’d get bored. What I think will happen is that it will be split across four or five parties in 2029, six in Wales and Scotland. The first past the post system is designed for unambiguous results but it won’t work out like that with the wide range of parties we have at the moment. Posh areas like Surrey and Buckinghamshire won’t stoop to Reform and will hold their noses and stick with the Tories. Areas with lots of academics and middle class professionals like Islington and Hampstead will complain bitterly but stay with Labour. The Lib Dems will hold onto the West Country and South West London. Reform/Restore will do well in deprived white working class areas. The Greens will win seats with lots of students and/or boho chic. The nationalists will storm Wales and Scotland. BUT 2029 is three years away and a lot can happen between now and then. Maybe we’ll end up with a government of national unity as we did in the war. If Putin wins in Ukraine then Poland and the Baltic states will be next. Trump is unhinged and literally anything might happen with him. China and India are not natural allies even if they were interested in us. Our neighbours in Europe are pissed off with us and won’t be up for any more Brexit esque drama. I think that the Commonwealth will continue in name only now that Elizabeth II has gone to her rest. IF I were the Prime Minister in a national unity government I’d be doing my best to cosy up to Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Id say the whole country would be going on a war footing. I’d be telling youngsters to get out of their bedrooms, get some fresh air and do something useful. Only those with severe mental health problems would be eligible for benefits; those with mild anxiety or depression would have to follow the youngsters out of their bedrooms. Those using walking sticks and mobility scooters as decoys would be told to shape up. I’d close a tranche of universities offering silly courses and invest the money saved in those providing traditional nation building degrees. Only the seriously clever would get a place. Vocational courses in colleges would be ramped up for those emerging from bedrooms. We’d have to get back to Cold War levels of defence spending. Pensioners (myself included) would be told that the triple lock had done its job and it was time to help out. I’d give warning that the state pension age was going up to 70. I’d give the police the resources to crack down on organised crime particularly drug cartels that are leaching the life out of our society. I’d give teachers the right to discipline children appropriately and sanction the benefits of parents whose children didn’t engage with education. Being a parent is tough and it’s about tough love; children need loving boundaries and to hear the word ‘no’ from time to time, not to be endlessly indulged. We need to accept that standards of living can’t keep going up and will plateau for a while. The money saved needs to be spent on defence and building up a rules based society. Howzat Good post Ridingcock but doesn’t answer what party would provide your desired observations. In fact, I’d say quite a bit aligns with the right, certainly not the left. I’m very unambiguous, I’m voting Reform next month and at GE29. Previously, I was Labour up until 2010, then UKIP, then Boris now Reform. Your vote goes somewhere, even in a coalition situation. Who you voting for?" Hold my nose and vote Labour | |||
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"Rupert doesn’t have mass appeal and is going to struggle to be up and running for 2029 Well, who do you advocate Ridingcock? It’s very easy to critique those who shouldn’t be in power but not so for those that should. There is only a very limited choice anyway. Tories? A busted flush, they’ve not a chance though I think Kemi is doing the best she can. Labour? Just as bad, if not worse, a total shit show, they’re looking at another generation in the wilderness. Libs? Ed Davey? Really? A complete clown of the highest order. Greens? Polanski should be sectioned, an absolute nut job. Above is the reality, the only viable choices and, of course, Reform. Nobody could advocate anyone but Reform as the rest are so bad. Labour haven’t exactly got an obvious replacement for Starmer. You ask me to advocate for someone but I can’t summon up any enthusiasm for any of them. Farage is an effective disrupter but he’s always on to the next thing. Government is a pitiless grind and he’d get bored. What I think will happen is that it will be split across four or five parties in 2029, six in Wales and Scotland. The first past the post system is designed for unambiguous results but it won’t work out like that with the wide range of parties we have at the moment. Posh areas like Surrey and Buckinghamshire won’t stoop to Reform and will hold their noses and stick with the Tories. Areas with lots of academics and middle class professionals like Islington and Hampstead will complain bitterly but stay with Labour. The Lib Dems will hold onto the West Country and South West London. Reform/Restore will do well in deprived white working class areas. The Greens will win seats with lots of students and/or boho chic. The nationalists will storm Wales and Scotland. BUT 2029 is three years away and a lot can happen between now and then. Maybe we’ll end up with a government of national unity as we did in the war. If Putin wins in Ukraine then Poland and the Baltic states will be next. Trump is unhinged and literally anything might happen with him. China and India are not natural allies even if they were interested in us. Our neighbours in Europe are pissed off with us and won’t be up for any more Brexit esque drama. I think that the Commonwealth will continue in name only now that Elizabeth II has gone to her rest. IF I were the Prime Minister in a national unity government I’d be doing my best to cosy up to Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Id say the whole country would be going on a war footing. I’d be telling youngsters to get out of their bedrooms, get some fresh air and do something useful. Only those with severe mental health problems would be eligible for benefits; those with mild anxiety or depression would have to follow the youngsters out of their bedrooms. Those using walking sticks and mobility scooters as decoys would be told to shape up. I’d close a tranche of universities offering silly courses and invest the money saved in those providing traditional nation building degrees. Only the seriously clever would get a place. Vocational courses in colleges would be ramped up for those emerging from bedrooms. We’d have to get back to Cold War levels of defence spending. Pensioners (myself included) would be told that the triple lock had done its job and it was time to help out. I’d give warning that the state pension age was going up to 70. I’d give the police the resources to crack down on organised crime particularly drug cartels that are leaching the life out of our society. I’d give teachers the right to discipline children appropriately and sanction the benefits of parents whose children didn’t engage with education. Being a parent is tough and it’s about tough love; children need loving boundaries and to hear the word ‘no’ from time to time, not to be endlessly indulged. We need to accept that standards of living can’t keep going up and will plateau for a while. The money saved needs to be spent on defence and building up a rules based society. Howzat " It’s an idea, but in all honesty it’s in the wrong forum, it should be in stories and fantasies | |||
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"The only way Starmer will survive this, and the inevitable drubbing his party will get in May, is because there is no natural successor waiting in the wings, and his 400+ MPs might close ranks to save their own tasteless bacon.. Starmer is a dictator. Anyone opposing him gets the Chop. Liebour are to spineless to oppose him. Reality is Starmer is more like Trump than farage is" ... ... Did you study History at school Dave? | |||
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