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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote" nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer. | |||
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"Tories lost the vote. Silly little Kemi is sulking." . yes but all the voters have seen the dishonesty in Starmer. Just before May elections . Plans working😁 | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer." . Your wrong again. Whips were out working on all of them. Vote for or destroy your career. It's on all news. Labour admitted it was a closed vote | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads." . And that makes it acceptable to you does it. Think that says more about you than anything I posted | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer.. Your wrong again. Whips were out working on all of them. Vote for or destroy your career. It's on all news. Labour admitted it was a closed vote" bet you will be hanging around your local polling stations making sure everyone do not vote Labour and intimidating voter's. | |||
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"As Margaret Thatcher once said .Don't mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do as I say. Politics has always been this way like sword of damocles xx " good old Maggie she knew how to control men just watch the old spitting image programmes on YouTube especially the steak one | |||
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"As Margaret Thatcher once said .Don't mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do as I say. Politics has always been this way like sword of damocles xx good old Maggie she knew how to control men just watch the old spitting image programmes on YouTube especially the steak one" hello peeps yep the lady had balls. Xx | |||
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"Local elections on 7th May. For first time ever I can't be arsed voting. I live in a staunch Labour District so what's the point ? I wish I could officially abstain, but not possible. Thinking of voting for every candidate thereby registering a void paper, or else wiping my arse on it" Please vote, your participation is vital to show opposition, if you don’t vote it screws the results! Please vote buddy! | |||
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"As Margaret Thatcher once said .Don't mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do as I say. Politics has always been this way like sword of damocles xx good old Maggie she knew how to control men just watch the old spitting image programmes on YouTube especially the steak one" "what about the vegetables?" They'll have the same. Funniest sketch ever on spitting image. | |||
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"As Margaret Thatcher once said .Don't mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do as I say. Politics has always been this way like sword of damocles xx good old Maggie she knew how to control men just watch the old spitting image programmes on YouTube especially the steak onehello peeps yep the lady had balls. Xx " In her later years think she was showing signs of dementia same as Churchill Reagan and Trump. | |||
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"Local elections on 7th May. For first time ever I can't be arsed voting. I live in a staunch Labour District so what's the point ? I wish I could officially abstain, but not possible. Thinking of voting for every candidate thereby registering a void paper, or else wiping my arse on it" Not voting can be interpreted in any which way and will be by politicians. Labour win by 1 vote: “Yes, we only held on by 1 vote, but the turnout was a dismal 20% and it’s common for mid-term election blues, our voters stayed at home and will come out for us at a General Election…” etc. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for any of your local candidates, write exactly that on your ballot paper. Write in None Of The Above. Make your feelings clear about the candidates next to each one. Draw a big penis on your ballot paper. Be creative! Spoilt ballot papers are much more fun than you not voting at all. They get added to the official statistics for turnout. And people get to see them at the count. The agents and often candidates themselves have to have sight of these so the returning officer can demonstrate why he/she is discounting them as valid votes. The counters at the tables will read what you have said. I’ve been a candidate and an election agent in my time and spoilt ballot papers were often the highlight. | |||
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"Id like to see some real naked whipping of our MPs of all sorts till they understand their errors and gain some common sense. College Green in public view too!" A lot of public school Tories and Reform would love that. | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads.. And that makes it acceptable to you does it. Think that says more about you than anything I posted" You vote for an MP. That MP is usually a member of a ‘team’. It’s not irrational to understand that a member of a team will play the way the team expects, and definitely not to go against the team. That’s absolutely acceptable. What it says about me is that I know what’s going on and I’m not going to cry like a baby when it happens. Nor will I when the winning team decides what’s going on even if they weren’t the ones I personally chose. Too many people are like children and throw their toys out of the pram when things aren’t going exactly how they thought they should. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote" Hiw disgusting anyone on here thinks reform are on their side.. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer." But if That(spit)chers MP's hadn't been forced to vote for it, we'd still have lots of council houses, lots of coal mines, lots of industry in general. | |||
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"Local elections on 7th May. For first time ever I can't be arsed voting. I live in a staunch Labour District so what's the point ? I wish I could officially abstain, but not possible. Thinking of voting for every candidate thereby registering a void paper, or else wiping my arse on it" Unfortunately all we have left is to not vote. I always urge people not to vote as a protest. People I speak to lately are voting Reform as a protest but I think it’s best to stay home. | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads." As you say, it's really no big deal. | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads.. And that makes it acceptable to you does it. Think that says more about you than anything I posted" Face facts..politics is a dirty word. Face facts. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer." There was a 3 line whip which effectively bullies MPs to vote on party lines. 14 defied it completely and voted with the opposition. Also a substantial number abstained. With Labour's enormous majority there wasn't a snowball in hell's chance of the government being defeated even if rattled. Rumour has it that Sir Keir is considering bringing Ms Rayner back into government to try and ward off a leadership challenge. | |||
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"Starmer is a zombie but zero credible alternatives. The never ending merry go round of pure shite." Give REFORM a chance. | |||
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"Starmer is a zombie but zero credible alternatives. The never ending merry go round of pure shite. Give REFORM a chance." I'd rather wank with a razor. | |||
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"Starmer is a zombie but zero credible alternatives. The never ending merry go round of pure shite. Give REFORM a chance." Starmer the zombie versus Farage the charlatan snake-oil salesman? Horrendous choice. | |||
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"Starmer is the reason why individuals support reform. Any child understands this, yet it seems that Starmer does not." If that's the case, remind us of how many Reform MPs were elected at the last General Election, and how many Labour. | |||
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"Im quite liking Rupert Lowe currently!" He makes Farage look like a moderate and he bankrupted a football club. | |||
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"Im quite liking Rupert Lowe currently!" He looks girthy.  | |||
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"The sooner this useless bunch of pae*o protectors, hypocrites and un-democratic Maxists are replaced the better. The King is making Starmer look like a pathetic little pip-sqeak on the Worldstage too. Whatever happened to the Labour Party of old??" The old socialist Labour Party drifted away long ago around the same time as darling Harold's last puff of smoke on his beloved briar! | |||
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"Im quite liking Rupert Lowe currently!" Don't know that I like him or agree with him but he certainly has more gravitas than the shifty, slimy Farage. | |||
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"Starmer is the reason why individuals support reform. Any child understands this, yet it seems that Starmer does not. If that's the case, remind us of how many Reform MPs were elected at the last General Election, and how many Labour." Reform UK establishment 2021 Labour Party 1900 The new infants are likely to embarrass that questionable Prime Minister shortly; gl to the Labour Party which is as ineffective as your Arsenal team. | |||
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"“Free the sausages!”" The comedic 'sausages' slip marked the end of the beginning and simultaneously, the beginning of the end! | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote" You DO know the role of the party whip, I assume. Badenoch and Davey would do the same. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer.. Your wrong again. Whips were out working on all of them. Vote for or destroy your career. It's on all news. Labour admitted it was a closed vote" And the Tories or LibDems would do the same. If Reform UK Ltd. had enough MPs, they would also do the same as Fromage does not like being defied. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote You DO know the role of the party whip, I assume. Badenoch and Davey would do the same." It's Dave. I wouldn't bet on it. | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads.. And that makes it acceptable to you does it. Think that says more about you than anything I posted" DearLord, but the political illiteracy you see here is staggering. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote You DO know the role of the party whip, I assume. Badenoch and Davey would do the same. It's Dave. I wouldn't bet on it." The leader of the Lib Dems is Ed Davey. Using party whips to keep discipline has been going on for easily the last 250 years. | |||
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"Starmer is the reason why individuals support reform. Any child understands this, yet it seems that Starmer does not. If that's the case, remind us of how many Reform MPs were elected at the last General Election, and how many Labour." Reform got 14% of the votes cast but only got 5 MPs elected. The Libdems got 12% of the votes cast yet got 72 MPs. Shows how unfair and crazy out outdated electoral system is. On the other hand imagine the chaos in the HoC if Farage had several dozen fawning MPs behaving like spoilt kids. | |||
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"Why is anyone even thinking that this is strange? It’s been going on since governments were invented. If you’ve only just realised this, I really think you need to study more before posting on political threads.. And that makes it acceptable to you does it. Think that says more about you than anything I posted You vote for an MP. That MP is usually a member of a ‘team’. It’s not irrational to understand that a member of a team will play the way the team expects, and definitely not to go against the team. That’s absolutely acceptable. What it says about me is that I know what’s going on and I’m not going to cry like a baby when it happens. Nor will I when the winning team decides what’s going on even if they weren’t the ones I personally chose. Too many people are like children and throw their toys out of the pram when things aren’t going exactly how they thought they should." Hear hear! | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote You DO know the role of the party whip, I assume. Badenoch and Davey would do the same. It's Dave. I wouldn't bet on it. The leader of the Lib Dems is Ed Davey. Using party whips to keep discipline has been going on for easily the last 250 years." I was referring to the thread OP, not Ed Davey. | |||
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"Tories lost the vote. Silly little Kemi is sulking.. yes but all the voters have seen the dishonesty in Starmer. Just before May elections . Plans working😁" Reform are the same. They vote against ANY proposal even if its good for me and you | |||
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"The sooner this useless bunch of pae*o protectors, hypocrites and un-democratic Maxists are replaced the better. The King is making Starmer look like a pathetic little pip-sqeak on the Worldstage too. Whatever happened to the Labour Party of old??" They became unelectable. | |||
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"The sooner this useless bunch of pae*o protectors, hypocrites and un-democratic Maxists are replaced the better. The King is making Starmer look like a pathetic little pip-sqeak on the Worldstage too. Whatever happened to the Labour Party of old?? They became unelectable." Mainly through the natural intervention of the inevitable. | |||
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"Tories lost the vote. Silly little Kemi is sulking.. yes but all the voters have seen the dishonesty in Starmer. Just before May elections . Plans working😁 Reform are the same. They vote against ANY proposal even if its good for me and you" You expect the Conservatives to vote against everything the government does. It's what the official opposition does. Labour spent the entire fourteen years [2010 -2024] voting against the then government. Occasionally there is a consensus. Other minor parties decide for themselves. Reform do what the great Nigel tells them. | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer.. Your wrong again. Whips were out working on all of them. Vote for or destroy your career. It's on all news. Labour admitted it was a closed vote" ...and that is the problem with politics and politicians and why nothing gets done by them! They are more concerned about their political careers then they are about doing the right thing for their constituents and country! Career ambitions should be left on the step when you choose or are called to be a politician! | |||
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"To those who are claiming that it was a free vote:-Technically MPs cannot be forced to vote in the legal sense, but this is not a free vote! The motion is subject to a three-line whip, meaning Labour MPs are instructed to vote with the Government or face disciplinary action, including suspension of the whip, if they defy it. The Times reported that senior cabinet ministers and Starmer allies spent Monday phoning Labour MPs who had privately warned they might not back him, because the vote is being treated as a confidence issue in his leadership. In Parliamentary terms, whipping applies direct party pressure with career consequences for disobedience, so describing it as a democratic free vote does not reflect how the system actually operates." Forcing any politician to vote a certain way by threats, whips, bribes or sexual favour should be banned and made a crime! Politicians should vote to their conscience! If Starmer is doing a good job... then he will continue to get his MP's support. If not... be gone with him! | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote nobody is forcing anyone to vote for Sir Kier Starmer.. Your wrong again. Whips were out working on all of them. Vote for or destroy your career. It's on all news. Labour admitted it was a closed vote" And that's the biggest problem. Career being more important that doing the right thing. I'm on with people doing that in normal jobs. But not elected individuals to serve the people. | |||
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"What are people complaining about, the adults are in charge now aren't they?" Really???????? | |||
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"If politicians voted with their conscience Boris the Liar would have been ousted within weeks of becoming PM. Vote reform, and get what you deserve. A bigger liar than Boris and an absolute conman to boot. Labour have built more houses in 12 months than the Tories built in 12 years. I think you are all forgetting the 14 years of Tory austerity, lies, slease and corruption." Nice story. Shame about the content | |||
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"How disgusting our Labour Government is. Forcing there members to vote for Starmer as opposed to a democratic free vote" THEIR. | |||
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"Local elections on 7th May. For first time ever I can't be arsed voting. I live in a staunch Labour District so what's the point ? I wish I could officially abstain, but not possible. Thinking of voting for every candidate thereby registering a void paper, or else wiping my arse on it" Thats how Labour got in into power...because people cant be arsed vote ffs  | |||
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