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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex

What implications would arise for Germany if the USA were to decrease its troop presence there? What are your thoughts on this matter? The UK has already demonstrated the distances involved. I believe King Charles visited to address the issues within the Labour Party for the benefit of the British populace. As for Merz, he appears to be another indecisive figure who alters his stance regarding the USA every couple of days, seemingly unaware of what is best for his own country.

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By *3versMan
2 weeks ago

glasgow

Don't think it will really matter, as we've seen on the Middle East and Ukraine it's all about drones and missiles

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By *londebiguyMan
2 weeks ago

near Southport

I don't believe it will make a difference.

I'm not expert though.

The USA with trump is a liability.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Don't think it will really matter, as we've seen on the Middle East and Ukraine it's all about drones and missiles"

I believe the opposite is true; it really does matter. Over the last decade, we've seen increased aggression from Russia and Iran, as they seem to be more assertive in trying to take control of other countries. Don't you agree?

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By *3versMan
2 weeks ago

glasgow


"Don't think it will really matter, as we've seen on the Middle East and Ukraine it's all about drones and missiles

I believe the opposite is true; it really does matter. Over the last decade, we've seen increased aggression from Russia and Iran, as they seem to be more assertive in trying to take control of other countries. Don't you agree?"

Neighbouring Baltic states, former communist countries, interfering with elections will be their target way before Germany. Plus Ukraine did have a large Russian speaking population which may have been sympathetic to their intentions

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By *erscumdumpMan
2 weeks ago

Watford & Worth Matravers

Nah, wars are mostly fought from computer terminals in bunkers in the middle of nowhere these days. Troops are only needed for hostile occupation.

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By *ie Vliegende GeordieMan
2 weeks ago

stockie

We are witnessing the slow but steady suicide of a super power.

Self enrichment and making American Great are not the same thing - something many Americans struggle to understand.

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By *londebiguyMan
2 weeks ago

near Southport


"We are witnessing the slow but steady suicide of a super power.

Self enrichment and making American Great are not the same thing - something many Americans struggle to understand. "

Very true.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"We are witnessing the slow but steady suicide of a super power.

Self enrichment and making American Great are not the same thing - something many Americans struggle to understand. "

How did Europe achieve greatness? I doubt that the UK politicians are considering anything beyond their own financial gain. Unless someone is foolish enough not to see that. When did the decline begin? Are you referring to the military, technology, medic, NATO, or the EU? The Americans can pinpoint the moment you began with Brexit and advise you to reflect on your own situation before passing judgment on them.

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By *ountainMan
2 weeks ago

ipswich

Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream. "

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom.

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By *ountainMan
2 weeks ago

ipswich


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom."

I dont think so. Health care alone costs a fortune in America.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom.

I dont think so. Health care alone costs a fortune in America. "

You don’t think so but However, statistically, this is the situation.

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By *ountainMan
2 weeks ago

ipswich

Statistics are a funny old thing sometimes.

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By *ndrewukMan
2 weeks ago

Cheshire......

Bet there are some fit-as-fuck American GI’s there who play with guys, the saunas will miss them

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


" Statistics are a funny old thing sometimes. "

However, without statistics, one would experience no improvement; it is crucial for every individual, corporation, and nation.

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By *ountainMan
2 weeks ago

ipswich

But statistics arent human. And they vary from one side to the other sides statistics.

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By *erscumdumpMan
2 weeks ago

Watford & Worth Matravers


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom."

Depends how you measure standard of living. Many Americans have higher salaries and disposable income, but they need that disposable income to pay for stuff we take for granted in the UK, such as healthcare and welfare. For those who lack disposable income, which is a large percentage of the US population, their standard of living is significantly lower than Britain. The disparity of haves and have-nots is far more apparent, and felt, in the USA. All that glistens is not gold....

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By *wsuckerMan
2 weeks ago

Mere

Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom.

Depends how you measure standard of living. Many Americans have higher salaries and disposable income, but they need that disposable income to pay for stuff we take for granted in the UK, such as healthcare and welfare. For those who lack disposable income, which is a large percentage of the US population, their standard of living is significantly lower than Britain. The disparity of haves and have-nots is far more apparent, and felt, in the USA. All that glistens is not gold...."

They have higher per capita income, more purchasing power, and bigger homes—despite having a shorter life expectancy they have a higher standard of living ; I don’t measure it , the economists usually evaluate it by combining income, life expectancy, and education. Thats why The standard of living in the USA is indeed higher.

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By *oose1Man
2 weeks ago

doncaster

It won’t make any difference to Germany other than financial loss of the Americans spending over there , Germany is a member of NATO , so if it kicks off they’re covered

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"It won’t make any difference to Germany other than financial loss of the Americans spending over there , Germany is a member of NATO , so if it kicks off they’re covered "

So are you saying you know better than nato chief who said many alliance members and other US allies were "doing everything the United States is asking".

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

"

When you claim that Iran has demonstrated to the world that the USA is no longer a superpower, what does that truly signify? If a group of terrorists enters a store and takes all the patrons hostage, does that indicate they have showcased their strength? Shooting at skyscrapers in other nations and launching missiles at any neighbour who speaks out does not equate to power. Does the killing of 40,000 Iranians represent power to you? The leaders of all those European countries are, quite frankly, nothing more than puppets for allowing this to occur and for managing the situation. More than 47 years Issuing green cards to individuals with Nazi affiliations

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By *erscumdumpMan
2 weeks ago

Watford & Worth Matravers


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom.

Depends how you measure standard of living. Many Americans have higher salaries and disposable income, but they need that disposable income to pay for stuff we take for granted in the UK, such as healthcare and welfare. For those who lack disposable income, which is a large percentage of the US population, their standard of living is significantly lower than Britain. The disparity of haves and have-nots is far more apparent, and felt, in the USA. All that glistens is not gold....

They have higher per capita income, more purchasing power, and bigger homes—despite having a shorter life expectancy they have a higher standard of living ; I don’t measure it , the economists usually evaluate it by combining income, life expectancy, and education. Thats why The standard of living in the USA is indeed higher."

Maybe they statistically need bigger rooms for thier statistically more obese bodies before they run out of money to pay for healthcare and statistically die younger. Weird benchmark to aspire to.

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By *wsuckerMan
2 weeks ago

Mere


"It won’t make any difference to Germany other than financial loss of the Americans spending over there , Germany is a member of NATO , so if it kicks off they’re covered "

Will have minimal effect, the troops stay on base where everything is imported from home for them. They contribute very little to the local ecinomies.

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By *ld 68yo experimentingMan
2 weeks ago

hete

As ex military we would be in the same position as Nato was in the 80 s Nato would have had to go tactical nuclear first as we did not have the tanks or artillery to stop the masses Russian tank battalion just flooding across the German border. Don't forget in 2 world wars casualties did not matter

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By *londebiguyMan
2 weeks ago

near Southport


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom."

Having lived there, I would not agree.

The average life expectancy in the USA for a start.

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By *estwillMan
2 weeks ago

Bracknell

The UK has pulled most of its troops out of Germany. No one seems to be worried about that.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"Americas is one big corporation with the ideals and intentions of any of the huge corporations in the world. Its all about the money ! For the rich. The American dream.

Many residents of the United States are not wealthy; however, they enjoy a significantly higher standard of living compared to residents of the United Kingdom.

Having lived there, I would not agree.

The average life expectancy in the USA for a start."

Simply scroll up to view my reply regarding the measurement of the standard of living.

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"The UK has pulled most of its troops out of Germany. No one seems to be worried about that."

Oh, that's quite possible... just imagine if Starmer wants to help; it takes him a year to decide.

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By *hirtyguyMan
2 weeks ago

Coleraine


"Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

"

I fully agree with you, America under this gangster and his gang of totally unqualified advisors who are only interested in increasing their own fortunes. Trump is clearly an asset of Russia and Israel, he is certainly not an ally of the UK or Europe.

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By *ames canMan
2 weeks ago

monaghan


"Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

I fully agree with you, America under this gangster and his gang of totally unqualified advisors who are only interested in increasing their own fortunes. Trump is clearly an asset of Russia and Israel, he is certainly not an ally of the UK or Europe."

...hegseth has his current wife and brother sit in on meetings as "advisors "....you couldn't make this shit up..

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By *3versMan
2 weeks ago

glasgow


"Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

I fully agree with you, America under this gangster and his gang of totally unqualified advisors who are only interested in increasing their own fortunes. Trump is clearly an asset of Russia and Israel, he is certainly not an ally of the UK or Europe....hegseth has his current wife and brother sit in on meetings as "advisors "....you couldn't make this shit up..

"

*The ex Fox News presenter has his...

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By *ames canMan
2 weeks ago

monaghan


"Ukraine & Iran have shown the world one important truth, the two "superpowers" aren't all that super. Its only thier nuclear arsenal that makes them so.

I lived through the 1960s/70s/80s where we were told to fear the massive Soviet army that could roll across Europe conquering all in its path. Really thier army is pretty shit.

I guess Afganistan should have shown us that in the 1980s, when the might of the Soviet warmachine couldn't deal with a country two steps above living in caves. And now theres Ukraine and the Russian warmachine has been stalled for over two years and is daily (and nightly) getting its arse kicked by Ukrainian drones.

Now lets take the USA, that champion of turning up late for wars and a country that lost in Vietnam against bands of what were basically militia fighters. Now it takes on Iran and shot its load already and now drastically backpeddling as it gets its arse handed to it on a daily basis.

So in answer to the OP...no I don't think the US pulling 5,000 troops from Germany will matter one bit.

Personally I think every European country (UK included) should tell US troops to leave, at least for the duration of Trumps administration. Trump is clearly in Putins pocket and cannot be trusted. Having US troops stationed here is like having enemy combatants stationed within your own borders, Trump is such a petulant child how long before he orders his troops to act against an ally?

I fully agree with you, America under this gangster and his gang of totally unqualified advisors who are only interested in increasing their own fortunes. Trump is clearly an asset of Russia and Israel, he is certainly not an ally of the UK or Europe....hegseth has his current wife and brother sit in on meetings as "advisors "....you couldn't make this shit up..

*The ex Fox News presenter has his..."

...the secretary of "war"....he's a fucking d*unk

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By *ie Vliegende GeordieMan
2 weeks ago

stockie

By many metrics the Us is one of the most unequal countries in the world. Along with China. The rich ride on the back of the young, poor and immigrant population. As it widens you create the conditions for dissatisfaction and next comes revolution or anarchy.

The idea that you could work your way up to wealth no longer exists because the middle class is hollowed out, and property - the gold mine of the Boomers, is excluded from the rest’s purchasing power.

Wealth and asset-owning is too concentrated and top heavy in most western societies

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By *hubslover OP   Man
2 weeks ago

East/west sussex


"By many metrics the Us is one of the most unequal countries in the world. Along with China. The rich ride on the back of the young, poor and immigrant population. As it widens you create the conditions for dissatisfaction and next comes revolution or anarchy.

The idea that you could work your way up to wealth no longer exists because the middle class is hollowed out, and property - the gold mine of the Boomers, is excluded from the rest’s purchasing power.

Wealth and asset-owning is too concentrated and top heavy in most western societies "

How about UK middle-class families who are considered among the poorest in Europe.

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