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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. " Why do you find it necessary to use such ridiculous language? You're certainly not impressing anyone with it. | |||
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"First openly gay PM on the way?" I’m not sure….think the fact hes seen as Mandelson’s protege in some quarters might go against him. Plus the first one out the blocks in these scenarios very rarely gets the prize. | |||
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"First openly gay PM on the way? I’m not sure….think the fact hes seen as Mandelson’s protege in some quarters might go against him. Plus the first one out the blocks in these scenarios very rarely gets the prize." That's true, 3 years of Liz Kendal to look forward to then | |||
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"First openly gay PM on the way? I’m not sure….think the fact hes seen as Mandelson’s protege in some quarters might go against him. Plus the first one out the blocks in these scenarios very rarely gets the prize. That's true, 3 years of Liz Kendal to look forward to then " God help us….thats Labour’s problem in this situation severe lack of talent on the front benches that resonate with the public. Plus they are currently so unpopular would anyone want the job at the moment? Perhaps better further down the line. Let Starmer take the flack for next couple years then step up nearer the next election. | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign" Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM | |||
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"How long will Rachael keep her job when Keir has been replaced." Depending whom, Liz Truss’s time may come to be seen as a relative ‘walk in the park’… borrowing costs already at a 28 year high… and that was before this madness kicked off. I know i should've built that bunker! | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM" The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. " In English please if you don’t mind. | |||
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"How long will Rachael keep her job when Keir has been replaced." I presume that you are referring to Rachel Reeves and Sir Kier Starmer in your post. If not then who are the Rachael and Keir that you are referring to please? | |||
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"The dismantling of traditional British political parties is going precisely to plan. " And he is following his masters (WEF) orders until the very last minute. | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. " "Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. " That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you. I'd argue that some of that is labour party policy rather than him directly. I'd add losing the faith of your MPs in you performing your role as PM competently. Regarding the charisma and dour criticism, he doesn't seem to have changed since he was elected leader of the Labour party or during the general election. | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. " | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you. I'd argue that some of that is labour party policy rather than him directly. I'd add losing the faith of your MPs in you performing your role as PM competently. Regarding the charisma and dour criticism, he doesn't seem to have changed since he was elected leader of the Labour party or during the general election." Pleased to help. With regard to your point on Labour Party policy — in UK politics, the party leader is always held responsible for the party’s policies, even if they didn’t write them. As Prime Minister, Starmer is the person in charge of the government’s plans. So when those plans go wrong or get scrapped, he takes the blame. The main complaint about him seems to be that people feel deceived. Starmer hasn’t kept the key promises he made in the lead-up to the 2024 election. That broken trust, plus his lacklustre public image, has further propagated his unpopularity. The gap between what he said before the election and what he’s done since has made a lot of people angry. The huge changes that were promised just haven't materialised. In view of the results of Thursday's elections, he is now trying to redeem himself, but it seems to have gone well past that point, with many of his own former supporters and allies calling for his resignation. | |||
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"The initial question was a good one. But mych of your list is indistinguishable from the run of crap that any party has to deal with - but you seem to be conflating them with genuine government errors as opposed to (potentially) good government, which is the case when government does a “ u turn” - ie it listened. Frankly I’m baffled by the anti Starmer bile. He didn’t crash our economy in terms of significant Brexit-related GDP loss like the previous shower. Nor is he a grifter and racist spiv. Finally, if I want competence over charisma. Alas, we get the rulers we deserve….This comment board confirms some of my worst fears. Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. " Good points!! 👍 | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you. I'd argue that some of that is labour party policy rather than him directly. I'd add losing the faith of your MPs in you performing your role as PM competently. Regarding the charisma and dour criticism, he doesn't seem to have changed since he was elected leader of the Labour party or during the general election. Pleased to help. With regard to your point on Labour Party policy — in UK politics, the party leader is always held responsible for the party’s policies, even if they didn’t write them. As Prime Minister, Starmer is the person in charge of the government’s plans. So when those plans go wrong or get scrapped, he takes the blame. The main complaint about him seems to be that people feel deceived. Starmer hasn’t kept the key promises he made in the lead-up to the 2024 election. That broken trust, plus his lacklustre public image, has further propagated his unpopularity. The gap between what he said before the election and what he’s done since has made a lot of people angry. The huge changes that were promised just haven't materialised. In view of the results of Thursday's elections, he is now trying to redeem himself, but it seems to have gone well past that point, with many of his own former supporters and allies calling for his resignation. " Also good points...nice to get some reasoned thoughts | |||
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"Wicked of me I know but I am rather enjoying this circus after the last three years or so of the Conservative government, when dear old Sir Keir was relishing in their every misfortune and mistake. Quite amusing to see him get a taste of his own medicine." Absolutely agree My biggest fear would be Angela Rayner or Ed Miliband picking up the Poison challis and taking over. | |||
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"Is Andy Burnham someone that would make a good PM? He has done well as Manchester Mayor but PM is totally different, would he be enough to prevent Nigel Farage from gaining more ground. Is there anyone else in the Labour Party who is realistically ready to run the country and provide some stability?" Plus the right wing media pushing for change over what is a minor change in voting habits when results are properly analysed, will then call Starmer a cowardly U turner because he didn’t stay to finish the job he started…he very much cannot do the right thing. Not that he has done much right. | |||
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"Never really been a fan of Starmer but went up in my estimation when he stood up to Trump ,,, It does show the scale of difficulty in being PM when the winners in The Local Election were those who still think Brexit was a good idea " If you mean Reform… not really winners, lower vote share, plenty of seats, but only 2 councils, the media portray this as a wholesale change, it isn’t, it isn’t national, it isn’t a GE, it shouldn’t have been framed as a referendum on central government, but that suits reform agenda. | |||
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"First openly gay PM on the way?" I hope not. He’s yet another Mandelson plant and is cheerfully fucking over big sections of the NHS despite having no mandate to do so. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. Why do you find it necessary to use such ridiculous language? You're certainly not impressing anyone with it."  | |||
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"Never really been a fan of Starmer but went up in my estimation when he stood up to Trump ,,, It does show the scale of difficulty in being PM when the winners in The Local Election were those who still think Brexit was a good idea If you mean Reform… not really winners, lower vote share, plenty of seats, but only 2 councils, the media portray this as a wholesale change, it isn’t, it isn’t national, it isn’t a GE, it shouldn’t have been framed as a referendum on central government, but that suits reform agenda." I totally agree about Reform. Their success last week was relatively minor but has whipped the media into a frenzy, even the allegedly biased BBC can’t help themselves from over reaching predictions for a future general election. | |||
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"Is Andy Burnham someone that would make a good PM? He has done well as Manchester Mayor but PM is totally different, would he be enough to prevent Nigel Farage from gaining more ground. Is there anyone else in the Labour Party who is realistically ready to run the country and provide some stability? Plus the right wing media pushing for change over what is a minor change in voting habits when results are properly analysed, will then call Starmer a cowardly U turner because he didn’t stay to finish the job he started…he very much cannot do the right thing. Not that he has done much right." Precisely. And the same r/w media will persecute and muck rake his hapless successor. It's a set up and a dog and pony show. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. " He speaks very highly of you | |||
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"Is Andy Burnham someone that would make a good PM? He has done well as Manchester Mayor but PM is totally different, would he be enough to prevent Nigel Farage from gaining more ground. Is there anyone else in the Labour Party who is realistically ready to run the country and provide some stability? Plus the right wing media pushing for change over what is a minor change in voting habits when results are properly analysed, will then call Starmer a cowardly U turner because he didn’t stay to finish the job he started…he very much cannot do the right thing. Not that he has done much right. Precisely. And the same r/w media will persecute and muck rake his hapless successor. It's a set up and a dog and pony show." One of the important attributes for a prime minister in this day and age is the ability to navigate an environment with 24 hour media. Starmer has shown a complete inability in this area. His own character and inability to build a strong team around him has largely contributed to the situation in which he finds himself. He’s not a natural politician and came to power without any plan for government and a divided party. Perhaps all this was inevitable. | |||
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"Is Andy Burnham someone that would make a good PM? He has done well as Manchester Mayor but PM is totally different, would he be enough to prevent Nigel Farage from gaining more ground. Is there anyone else in the Labour Party who is realistically ready to run the country and provide some stability? Plus the right wing media pushing for change over what is a minor change in voting habits when results are properly analysed, will then call Starmer a cowardly U turner because he didn’t stay to finish the job he started…he very much cannot do the right thing. Not that he has done much right. Precisely. And the same r/w media will persecute and muck rake his hapless successor. It's a set up and a dog and pony show. One of the important attributes for a prime minister in this day and age is the ability to navigate an environment with 24 hour media. Starmer has shown a complete inability in this area. His own character and inability to build a strong team around him has largely contributed to the situation in which he finds himself. He’s not a natural politician and came to power without any plan for government and a divided party. Perhaps all this was inevitable. " John Major speaking the other week: " Running the country is a serious business. It's not a game show." But people need to look matters in the face too. This is a nation with influence but not a world power. Our economy is dependent on global forces, which means some compromise and political interference. It's now very hard for any govt to call the shots. And Sir Kier would have to undergo a metamorphic moral collapse before he fell to the level of the " charismatic" grubby journo Boris ' nine bob note' Johnson. A man who saw the pandemic as an opportunity to dish out millions to dodgy buddies of the party.  | |||
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"Not sure how reasoned many of the responses are though… I suspect social media is just making this an impossible job. I still don’t think anyone could do better given the hand Starmer has been dealt. " I tend to agree with this, the media seem to think they run the country. In fairness to the Tories, if it weren't for the media and constant social media, the 24/7 scrutiny of both public and personal lives then we wouldn't have had so many changes of PM in such a short time (with the exception of Liz Truss) who was just a joke. Whoever wants to be PM these days must be mad. Personally I don't think Starmer is doing a bad job, but he's not the charismatic figure that people think they want. He's just knuckling down and getting on with it. We all know things were bad and it was gonna take a good while to begin to see any benefit. I've never been a fan of changing PM without a general election, however, we all know thats not going to happen, but what I am pretty sure of is that whoever ends up with the job will be berrated by the media from the minute they take over. | |||
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"Best to ask the thousands of voters who didn't vote for labour this last time and also the MPs calling him to resign Some of them must be here lol This wasn't a post of support it was a genuine query, it's kind of become a blur so I felt a recap would be helpful..for me at least. It's interest reading people comments but sometimes it feels more party political rather than specifically what he has done wrong with regards to fulfilling the role of PM The following of Starmer’s blunders and shortcomings come to mind: Freebies row: In 2024 Starmer was criticised for accepting over £100,000 in gifts while telling the public to tighten their belts. The Mandelson appointment: In 2026 he appointed Peter Mandelson US Ambassador despite failed security checks, leading to the Cabinet Secretary’s sacking. Chagos Islands deal: Initially agreed to hand the Chagos Islands to Mauritius for ~£35bn while leasing back Diego Garcia, then pulled the bill in May 2026 after Trump opposition and legal/security pressure. Policy U-turns: 16 major reversals so far: Winter fuel payments Two-child benefit cap Welfare/PIP cuts Grooming gangs inquiry Inheritance tax on farmers Business rates for pubs Digital ID £28bn Green Prosperity Fund Private schools’ charitable status Tuition fees Nationalisation of rail/mail/energy/water Wealth tax/mansion tax Devolution of policing to Wales Transgender rights Waspi Women compensation Local election cancellations Tax and economy: Despite pledging no tax rises for working people, his first two budgets raised billions through National Insurance changes. Public services: Missed NHS targets and a stalled “Stargate UK” AI project have left voters feeling 2024 promises weren’t met. World stage presence: Critics say he’s presented himself weakly on the world stage, from the Chagos climbdown after Trump pressure to being sidelined in key international talks. Dour personality: Often described as stiff, uninspiring, and lacking charisma, with critics arguing his dour public manner has failed to connect with voters. " In terms of policy, several of his ideas were sound but he failed to pull through. Diago Garcia is one, grooming gangs is another. On just about every other point garage has already told us he will outsources and remove restrictions to let (largely American ) contractors and commercial interests have free reign. His failures are of a type you expect to see when corporate capture nears it's end game. He has stalled the rot the Tories let through but not taken steps to reverse it or even try and call it out. | |||
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"I think we can all agree he is a bell whiff, the sooner he goes the better. I just dread to think who will take over instead." Andy Burnham, Ed Milliband, Angela Rayner, Wes Streeting et al are deluded if they believe they are somehow linked to a successful future for the Labour Party. They're more indicative of Labour failure than Keir Starmer even, as are the disloyal and scatter-brained Miatta Fahnbulleh, Alex Davies-Jones and Jess Philips. I think Al Carns should be elevated swiftly…   | |||
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"What have been Starmer's mistakes as a prime minister? Mandleson Handling of the winter fuel allowance? What else And I don't mean disagreeing with labour party policy, I mean him as a pm? Genuinely curious about specific mistakes people think he is guilty of" . Increasing the minimum wage at the same time as heavily taxing businesses. Combine the two and hey presto. Massive unemployment. Esp in the young under 25s. I had to lay off an apprentice in April. 18 months into his trade.good lad. His college fees are paid up till July and yet I could not find any local business to take him on. Very sad | |||
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"I fear we’re heading for a “from the frying pan to the fire” moment. "We been in fire for nearly two years. As I predicted on here | |||
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"Not sure how reasoned many of the responses are though… I suspect social media is just making this an impossible job. I still don’t think anyone could do better given the hand Starmer has been dealt. " . He was dealt the perfect hand. Massive majority public support. All he had to do was be honest and positive. Instead lies and blames everything on the previous government. No personality. No leadership qualities and most of all a thoroughly dishonest human being. | |||
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"Starmer's been on the brink for months according to people on YouTube, but the fecker is still there, and morons still vote Labour. I give up on the human race,no truly do "Won't write him off just yet though I doubt he'll survive until the next election. He was the acceptable and electable face of Labour after the failed Corbyn experiment. He nearly fell after the 2021 council elections when Labour did badly. Sprang back and got elected with a massive majority in 2024. [No doubt helped by the Faragites splitting the vote] He was never going to be a Blair or a Thatcher since he had neither charisma or clear vision. But he could bounce back by default. | |||
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"Starmer's been on the brink for months according to people on YouTube, but the fecker is still there, and morons still vote Labour. I give up on the human race,no truly do
Won't write him off just yet though I doubt he'll survive until the next election. He was the acceptable and electable face of Labour after the failed Corbyn experiment. He nearly fell after the 2021 council elections when Labour did badly. Sprang back and got elected with a massive majority in 2024. [No doubt helped by the Faragites splitting the vote] He was never going to be a Blair or a Thatcher since he had neither charisma or clear vision. But he could bounce back by default."The thing with you tube is, could be from anywhere in the world, even if they're resident in the UK most of em probably don't even bother to vote, multiple accounts etc etc etc, the list goes on. I kind of hope he bounces back, though I don't think he will. Mind you, I'd lay my life on a certain Tory leader to call for his replacements resignation within the first week of them taking the job. That's about the only thing she ever says lol | |||
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"Not a job anybody would really want, kiss of death for a politician" Truss got it right…the only thing she did… get in, fuck it up, get fired, get pension, get book deal, get speaking engagements, get richer… no responsibilities. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. In English please if you don’t mind. " It is in good English...All the spelling is correct. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. In English please if you don’t mind. Except it isn't... diarrhOea you missed a letter out. It is in good English...All the spelling is correct." | |||
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"I had to lay off an apprentice in April. 18 months into his trade.good lad. His college fees are paid up till July and yet I could not find any local business to take him on. Very sad" Something about this doesn't ring true to me. I don't run the place I work at but am an assistant manager and I know that when you get somebody good you look after them, not necessarily by paying sky high salary but at least by doing whatever's needed to keep them on with a clear idea of a pathway. When employers can't retain genuine talent and ability that says something isn't working right, to me. Good hardworking employees are gold dust. | |||
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"I had to lay off an apprentice in April. 18 months into his trade.good lad. His college fees are paid up till July and yet I could not find any local business to take him on. Very sad Something about this doesn't ring true to me. I don't run the place I work at but am an assistant manager and I know that when you get somebody good you look after them, not necessarily by paying sky high salary but at least by doing whatever's needed to keep them on with a clear idea of a pathway. When employers can't retain genuine talent and ability that says something isn't working right, to me. Good hardworking employees are gold dust." what a good comment. | |||
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"I fully support his removal, he continues to remain as a Friend of Israel and keeps the UK allied with that apartheid racist little entity. My taxes being used to fund rampant racism offends me hugely. His response to a question regarding Israeli govt witholding water, food and other essential supplies from Palestine was to state that "Israel has a right to defend itself". Appalling. And his description of Britain as an "Island Of Strangers", a reference to immigration that echoed Enoch Powell, was a major blunder. His wife is jewish" Yes I know that his wife is Jewish but there are many good decent Jewish people, Zionists are a different story. I have no knowledge to which group she belongs. | |||
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"Worst prime minister ever done nothing but lie and call us all far right for sticking up for our country.the guy is a traitor to this country.good riddence kier starmers a .*anker " Agreed! It has always bothered me that Starmer could be a member of Friends of Isreal and accept millions from them while serving as PM of the UK, but he has always kept us complicit with these horrible Nazi murderers. | |||
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" Mind you, I'd lay my life on a certain Tory leader to call for his replacements resignation within the first week of them taking the job. That's about the only thing she ever says lol" Seem to remember a certain Labour leader spent 4 years calling for Conservative prime ministers to resign between 2020 and 2024. Used to be his theme mantra and he said little else positive. What was his name? Sir Keir something | |||
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"If there was a single decent alternative amongst the current crop of labour MPs, he would already be toast. The only thing keeping him as PM is the distinct lack of talent below him. That being said, there doesn’t seem to be a viable good PM option available in any of the parties." Therein lies the problem. There is a distinct lack of worthwhile candidates across the spectrum, not just within Labour's ranks. Starmer, Badenoch, Polanski, Davey, Farage.....oh my word! What a talentless bunch! British politics is at a low ebb, just when we require a strong leader. I've always liked Andy Burnham, but getting him back into parliament is no easy task as there can't be many safe Labour seats, and a sitting MP would have to be ousted to hold a by-election. It's an horrendous mess and we're all suffering because our parliament is a nut house, full of self serving MPs who care little for the man or woman in the street. | |||
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"He’s told them “there’s a process to follow, so follow the process if you want to take my place”. Seems reasonable to me. He lacks charisma but that was obvious when the electorate gave him an 170 seat majority. Not only do the other candidates in the Labour seem unattractive, so do Farage, Polanski, Davey and Badenoch. " Let's be honest, he won that huge majority by default rather than popularity. The Conservatives were very unpopular and had completely lost their way with unfortunate blunders and leadership problems. Labour got just under 35% of the popular vote on a lowish turn-out. So 65% of those who bothered to turn up to the polling stations voted against him. Without Reform splitting the right-wing vote I am certain Labour would still have won but with a much smaller majority. 5 years before Boris Johnson only got an 80 seat majority yet his party got over 43% of the votes cast. My point is that Starmer was never a popular leader. | |||
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"Funny how the tosser can ban people comming into our country for this unite the kingdom rally on saturday but cant stop any of the boat people.the guy is a traitor to our country.hope the people hes banning sue the arse of him.the guy is the most hated man in Britain." | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of this incompetent clown when he lay down the rules to Johnson and forced him to resign. Someone should playback / quote the exact words back to him as he constantly lied to Parliament about Mandelson and misled Parliament and the nation over their manifesto, supportive of the pedo’s, grooming gangs, undocumented dingy boat migrants and now forcing digital IDs" the guy has done nothing but lie.if there is another terror attack (hope there isnt) starmer should be done for treason its him letting these people come into our country.this man is very dangerous and cannot be trusted | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. " Exactly. Hes an utter despot, clinging on like a third world dictator. The sooner him and his circus of cronies are consigned to the history books, the better. | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. Exactly. Hes an utter despot, clinging on like a third world dictator. The sooner him and his circus of cronies are consigned to the history books, the better." Despot!?! You need a lie down | |||
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"Funny how the tosser can ban people comming into our country for this unite the kingdom rally on saturday but cant stop any of the boat people.the guy is a traitor to our country.hope the people hes banning sue the arse of him.the guy is the most hated man in Britain." Indeed it is weird that known far right supporters coming on a plane using their passports and assume publicising their trip to their followers and or advertised as attending, have been blocked using official channels, compared to a boatload of undocumented people unable to use an official pathway to enter the country arriving unannounced and hoping for sanctuary can’t be stopped. It certainly has me foxed… | |||
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"Four ministerial aides quit and now the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood calling on him to resign. Plus 72 backbenchers. Looks inevitable to me. " Good | |||
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" Wes Streeting is like a clone of Starmer. Not many on the front benches inspire me im afraid. " I don't like Streeting at all. He comes across as so... Tory. That smarmy, greasy quality. | |||
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" Wes Streeting is like a clone of Starmer. Not many on the front benches inspire me im afraid. I don't like Streeting at all. He comes across as so... Tory. That smarmy, greasy quality." Oh yeah indeed. Wouldn't trust him at all | |||
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" Wes Streeting is like a clone of Starmer. Not many on the front benches inspire me im afraid. " Streeting would be Starmer Mk 2. Similar outlook and bland. However none of the other 'would be's' are very inspiring either. Rayner is a bit of a joke and certainly not prime ministerial material. Miliband a complete joke and a has-been. Healy has been mentioned but he's a bit unknown and hardly inspirational. Yvette Cooper probably the most capable but also bland and a bit of an automaton. Then dear old Andy Burnham: the messiah, the saviour of the universe! Okay so not bland inasmuch as he has looks and personality but he hardly excelled as a minister. | |||
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"Right on the brink now with Streeting resigning. But I'm not sure whether either Streeting or Rayner could do any better. Andy Burnham perhaps as he has a track record in Manchester but he'd have to get himself a seat in the Commons awfully quick." I doubt very much that Wes Streeting has 80+ backers, so he has resigned but obviously unable to challenge | |||
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"Looks like Wes Streeting is about to throw his hat in the ring" No Hat thrown, just resignation Not enough backers. | |||
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"He's just lost his defense secretary. If Andy wins the upcoming local election I think Starmer is finished." No guarantees for Andy though, Reform will give him a good run for his money and every incident like the one in Belfast gives them extra votes. | |||
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"He's just lost his defense secretary. If Andy wins the upcoming local election I think Starmer is finished. No guarantees for Andy though, Reform will give him a good run for his money and every incident like the one in Belfast gives them extra votes." That's very true, also the greens are gaining popularity. It will be a close one. | |||
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"What have been Starmer's mistakes as a prime minister? Mandleson Handling of the winter fuel allowance? What else And I don't mean disagreeing with labour party policy, I mean him as a pm? Genuinely curious about specific mistakes people think he is guilty of" People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. | |||
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"What have been Starmer's mistakes as a prime minister? Mandleson Handling of the winter fuel allowance? What else And I don't mean disagreeing with labour party policy, I mean him as a pm? Genuinely curious about specific mistakes people think he is guilty of People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised." Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious???? | |||
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"What have been Starmer's mistakes as a prime minister? Mandleson Handling of the winter fuel allowance? What else And I don't mean disagreeing with labour party policy, I mean him as a pm? Genuinely curious about specific mistakes people think he is guilty of People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious????" Which part isn't owned by right wing billionaires? | |||
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"People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious???? Which part isn't owned by right wing billionaires? " The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! | |||
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"People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious???? Which part isn't owned by right wing billionaires? The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! " There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. | |||
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"Four ministerial aides quit and now the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood calling on him to resign. Plus 72 backbenchers. Looks inevitable to me. " Nothing will happen until Burnham is an MP | |||
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"People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious???? Which part isn't owned by right wing billionaires? The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. " "Virtually no left-wing newspapers"? Poppycock!!! The Mirror hits 400k+ daily, plus the Morning Star, New European, Novara Media, The Canary. You just erased them because they don’t fit your narrative! Your labels give the game away. Independent is "Centrist"? It’s liberal-left and foreign owned. Metro is "Centre-right"? It’s an apolitical free sheet owned by the Mail group. SKY is "Right-wing"? Murdoch sold it in 2018 and Ofcom legally binds it to impartiality. Same with ITV. This is classic Leftist tunnel vision - UK-only, cherry-picked, and blind to the world stage. In Europe, the Guardian’s "Liberal left" is dead centrist. In the US, the Telegraph’s "right-wing" looks moderate. The original poster isn’t "100% correct". He’s 100% pushing a distorted Leftist bias while pretending it’s fact. Reality is that a handful of billionaires and corporates own outlets across the whole political spectrum. The Right doesn’t have a monopoly, and pretending otherwise is just Leftist propaganda! | |||
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"People are sheep and believe the media. Most of which is owned by right wing off shore billionaires which have a defined interest in getting people who will look after their interests in power. Very few people will look what the media is saying, do some research and build their own oppion. The benefits bill is a great example. Always quoted as the figure includkng state pension but any talk of cutting state pension is immedialy demonised. Most of the media is owned by right wing billionaires. Are you serious???? Which part isn't owned by right wing billionaires? The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. "Virtually no left-wing newspapers"? Poppycock!!! The Mirror hits 400k+ daily, plus the Morning Star, New European, Novara Media, The Canary. You just erased them because they don’t fit your narrative! Your labels give the game away. Independent is "Centrist"? It’s liberal-left and foreign owned. Metro is "Centre-right"? It’s an apolitical free sheet owned by the Mail group. SKY is "Right-wing"? Murdoch sold it in 2018 and Ofcom legally binds it to impartiality. Same with ITV. This is classic Leftist tunnel vision - UK-only, cherry-picked, and blind to the world stage. In Europe, the Guardian’s "Liberal left" is dead centrist. In the US, the Telegraph’s "right-wing" looks moderate. The original poster isn’t "100% correct". He’s 100% pushing a distorted Leftist bias while pretending it’s fact. Reality is that a handful of billionaires and corporates own outlets across the whole political spectrum. The Right doesn’t have a monopoly, and pretending otherwise is just Leftist propaganda! " I note you ignore GB News, and the Spectator amongst others in your round-up. Or the pernicious spread of right-wing populist Reach Group ownership of local newspapers - Manchester Evening News, Liverpool Echo, amongst others. The Independent - The clue is in the name. And the end result is still the same, the vast vast majority of media - television, newspapers, radio, and internet is owned by those with vested right-wing influences and is both socio-culturally, and politically, right-wing in it's output. The left are lucky if we get so much as 20%. One of the biggest bullshit myths spouted by right-wing press is the "plucky little us against a tsunami of left-wing media" nonsense. | |||
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"The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. "Virtually no left-wing newspapers"? Poppycock!!! The Mirror hits 400k+ daily, plus the Morning Star, New European, Novara Media, The Canary. You just erased them because they don’t fit your narrative! Your labels give the game away. Independent is "Centrist"? It’s liberal-left and foreign owned. Metro is "Centre-right"? It’s an apolitical free sheet owned by the Mail group. SKY is "Right-wing"? Murdoch sold it in 2018 and Ofcom legally binds it to impartiality. Same with ITV. This is classic Leftist tunnel vision - UK-only, cherry-picked, and blind to the world stage. In Europe, the Guardian’s "Liberal left" is dead centrist. In the US, the Telegraph’s "right-wing" looks moderate. The original poster isn’t "100% correct". He’s 100% pushing a distorted Leftist bias while pretending it’s fact. Reality is that a handful of billionaires and corporates own outlets across the whole political spectrum. The Right doesn’t have a monopoly, and pretending otherwise is just Leftist propaganda! I note you ignore GB News, and the Spectator amongst others in your round-up. Or the pernicious spread of right-wing populist Reach Group ownership of local newspapers - Manchester Evening News, Liverpool Echo, amongst others. The Independent - The clue is in the name. And the end result is still the same, the vast vast majority of media - television, newspapers, radio, and internet is owned by those with vested right-wing influences and is both socio-culturally, and politically, right-wing in it's output. The left are lucky if we get so much as 20%. One of the biggest bullshit myths spouted by right-wing press is the "plucky little us against a tsunami of left-wing media" nonsense. " You erroneously claim a “vast vast majority” of media is right-wing, but the actual facts say otherwise! Reach owns the left-leaning Mirror and Daily Star, and its locals like the Manchester Evening News back Labour daily. The Independent is liberal-left, not neutral, despite its name. TV is dominated by the "impartial" BBC, publicly owned Channel 4, and Ofcom-bound ITV and Sky. That’s over 70% of news viewing not right-wing owned. Radio is led by the BBC and LBC. Online, the Guardian, Independent, Mirror and BBC dwarf right-wing sites. Billionaire ownership doesn’t equal right-wing output. The Guardian’s trust and Mirror’s Reach group prove it. The “20% for the left” claim is fiction. There is simply no right-wing monopoly of the media! FACT! | |||
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"The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. "Virtually no left-wing newspapers"? Poppycock!!! The Mirror hits 400k+ daily, plus the Morning Star, New European, Novara Media, The Canary. You just erased them because they don’t fit your narrative! Your labels give the game away. Independent is "Centrist"? It’s liberal-left and foreign owned. Metro is "Centre-right"? It’s an apolitical free sheet owned by the Mail group. SKY is "Right-wing"? Murdoch sold it in 2018 and Ofcom legally binds it to impartiality. Same with ITV. This is classic Leftist tunnel vision - UK-only, cherry-picked, and blind to the world stage. In Europe, the Guardian’s "Liberal left" is dead centrist. In the US, the Telegraph’s "right-wing" looks moderate. The original poster isn’t "100% correct". He’s 100% pushing a distorted Leftist bias while pretending it’s fact. Reality is that a handful of billionaires and corporates own outlets across the whole political spectrum. The Right doesn’t have a monopoly, and pretending otherwise is just Leftist propaganda! I note you ignore GB News, and the Spectator amongst others in your round-up. Or the pernicious spread of right-wing populist Reach Group ownership of local newspapers - Manchester Evening News, Liverpool Echo, amongst others. The Independent - The clue is in the name. And the end result is still the same, the vast vast majority of media - television, newspapers, radio, and internet is owned by those with vested right-wing influences and is both socio-culturally, and politically, right-wing in it's output. The left are lucky if we get so much as 20%. One of the biggest bullshit myths spouted by right-wing press is the "plucky little us against a tsunami of left-wing media" nonsense. You erroneously claim a “vast vast majority” of media is right-wing, but the actual facts say otherwise! Reach owns the left-leaning Mirror and Daily Star, and its locals like the Manchester Evening News back Labour daily. The Independent is liberal-left, not neutral, despite its name. TV is dominated by the "impartial" BBC, publicly owned Channel 4, and Ofcom-bound ITV and Sky. That’s over 70% of news viewing not right-wing owned. Radio is led by the BBC and LBC. Online, the Guardian, Independent, Mirror and BBC dwarf right-wing sites. Billionaire ownership doesn’t equal right-wing output. The Guardian’s trust and Mirror’s Reach group prove it. The “20% for the left” claim is fiction. There is simply no right-wing monopoly of the media! FACT! " Hilarious that you think the left dwarf the Sun, Express, Mail, Times, and Telegraph. Absolutely fucking belter and idiotic that you refuse to see that the media in the UK is massively right-wing dominated. Cloud cuckoo land ludicrousness. Also BBC and Independent are centrist and should not be put in with the Guardian or Mirror - unless of course I'm also allowed to lump them in with the Mail, Telegraph, Express, etc... Also Sky may be bound by Ofcom but it is 100% Right-wing owned. And then there's right-wing ownership of social media - X and Meta both under rightwing ownership. I don't know whether it's more funny or more scary that people think the media is even so much as 50-50 in the UK, let alone that the left are somehow the dominant force. The media in the UK is majoratively controlled and dominated by the right - 100% undeniable, indisputable FACT!!!! | |||
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"Chipping in on the left/right news debate, a notable chunk of right-wing 'news' doesn't come from reputable/trusted sources and that's a lot of what let's it travel well through social media etc. 'News' as a medium has changed Just something to consider Thanks. Reputable is subjective. The Mirror, Guardian and BBC have all been caught out. Left-wing misinfo travels on social media too - Russiagate, Covington Kids, bleachgate. And with YouTube, TikTok and Substack, there is no monopoly, just competition. The medium changed for both sides. " In terms of news sources, reputable is more on the objective side than subjective. It is, as you've inferred, set by expectations and standards. If providers hold themselves to those, then they are more likely to be considered as such, hence certain outlets receiving much more criticism when they *do* falter. The "both sides" argument, while correct to a degree, is massively disproportionate. Campaigns are inherently more successful for right-wing stories due to algorithms being built that way. It is so much more profitable for them to lean right due to the emotional grab/outrage that they can instill and, therefore, the more clicks/activity/users they draw. It's all for money. The control that the wealthy have is the biggest problem of the current age and the longer we can be kept fighting eachother instead of looking UP, the better it is for them. | |||
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"If there was a single decent alternative amongst the current crop of labour MPs, he would already be toast. The only thing keeping him as PM is the distinct lack of talent below him. That being said, there doesn’t seem to be a viable good PM option available in any of the parties." You are right, the worrying thing is it is the voters that have put all of these people in power and are now paying the price | |||
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"The sweeping and inaccurate claim that most of the media is run by right-wing billionaires is simply another distorted view of the Left. The real picture is much less one-sided. Indeed, some big outlets are owned by right-wing billionaires, but far from "most"! Many centre-left papers are billionaire-owned too. And huge companies run much of the centre-left media, while big UK outlets like the Guardian or the BBC don’t have billionaire owners at all - they’re trust-run or in the case of the Beeb, publicly owned where millions of us are certainly not "right-wing offshore billionaires"! What’s actually happening is a few rich people and big corporations own most of the media across the full political spectrum, not just the right! There are virtually no left-wing newspapers in the country. Mail, Express, Times, Sun, Telegraph - all right-wing. Metro, Star - Centre-right Independent - Centrist Guardian - Liberal left of centre Mirror - left wing. TV similar SKY - Right-wing ITV - Right of centre BBC - Centrist establishment Channel 4 - Liberal left of centre / left-wing. The original poster is 100% correct in what he says. "Virtually no left-wing newspapers"? Poppycock!!! The Mirror hits 400k+ daily, plus the Morning Star, New European, Novara Media, The Canary. You just erased them because they don’t fit your narrative! Your labels give the game away. Independent is "Centrist"? It’s liberal-left and foreign owned. Metro is "Centre-right"? It’s an apolitical free sheet owned by the Mail group. SKY is "Right-wing"? Murdoch sold it in 2018 and Ofcom legally binds it to impartiality. Same with ITV. This is classic Leftist tunnel vision - UK-only, cherry-picked, and blind to the world stage. In Europe, the Guardian’s "Liberal left" is dead centrist. In the US, the Telegraph’s "right-wing" looks moderate. The original poster isn’t "100% correct". He’s 100% pushing a distorted Leftist bias while pretending it’s fact. Reality is that a handful of billionaires and corporates own outlets across the whole political spectrum. The Right doesn’t have a monopoly, and pretending otherwise is just Leftist propaganda! I note you ignore GB News, and the Spectator amongst others in your round-up. Or the pernicious spread of right-wing populist Reach Group ownership of local newspapers - Manchester Evening News, Liverpool Echo, amongst others. The Independent - The clue is in the name. And the end result is still the same, the vast vast majority of media - television, newspapers, radio, and internet is owned by those with vested right-wing influences and is both socio-culturally, and politically, right-wing in it's output. The left are lucky if we get so much as 20%. One of the biggest bullshit myths spouted by right-wing press is the "plucky little us against a tsunami of left-wing media" nonsense. You erroneously claim a “vast vast majority” of media is right-wing, but the actual facts say otherwise! Reach owns the left-leaning Mirror and Daily Star, and its locals like the Manchester Evening News back Labour daily. The Independent is liberal-left, not neutral, despite its name. TV is dominated by the "impartial" BBC, publicly owned Channel 4, and Ofcom-bound ITV and Sky. That’s over 70% of news viewing not right-wing owned. Radio is led by the BBC and LBC. Online, the Guardian, Independent, Mirror and BBC dwarf right-wing sites. Billionaire ownership doesn’t equal right-wing output. The Guardian’s trust and Mirror’s Reach group prove it. The “20% for the left” claim is fiction. There is simply no right-wing monopoly of the media! FACT! Hilarious that you think the left dwarf the Sun, Express, Mail, Times, and Telegraph. Absolutely fucking belter and idiotic that you refuse to see that the media in the UK is massively right-wing dominated. Cloud cuckoo land ludicrousness. Also BBC and Independent are centrist and should not be put in with the Guardian or Mirror - unless of course I'm also allowed to lump them in with the Mail, Telegraph, Express, etc... Also Sky may be bound by Ofcom but it is 100% Right-wing owned. And then there's right-wing ownership of social media - X and Meta both under rightwing ownership. I don't know whether it's more funny or more scary that people think the media is even so much as 50-50 in the UK, let alone that the left are somehow the dominant force. The media in the UK is majoratively controlled and dominated by the right - 100% undeniable, indisputable FACT!!!!" Thanks for your perspective. It's obvious that we are in a state of disagreement, but I think we have both made our points sufficiently. The unnecessary personal insults and crass expletives indicate that further exchanges would not be productive, so I will leave it there, if I may. All best wishes. | |||
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"He has to hold on till August 1st, I’ve got £10 riding on it " What were your odds? | |||
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"Right here is what happens. August 2026: Starmer compelled to resign after more ministers walk out. Leadership vote Angela Rayner becomes PM. May 2027: The last person to leave the country forgets to turn off the lights " | |||
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"Deluded cunt still clinging on like a piece of turd on a furry butthole after a tsunami diarrhea shite. What is it with these people eh. Why do you find it necessary to use such ridiculous language? You're certainly not impressing anyone with it." I found a wonderful use of poo words | |||
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"What would have happened if KS had resigned on 14th May when Wes Streeting stood down as Health Secretary? Surely they would have had to initiate a leadership contest immediately, thereby preventing Andy Burnham from even being considered. Or would they have still engineered this by-election to get him in, therefore leaving the country without a PM for ... how long?" Interesting scenario. I would imagine KS would have stayed on as caretaker PM until the party elected a new leader. Chances are it would have been a battle between Rayner and Streeting. Don't think they would have waited for Burnham's return to Westminster | |||
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"What would have happened if KS had resigned on 14th May when Wes Streeting stood down as Health Secretary? Surely they would have had to initiate a leadership contest immediately, thereby preventing Andy Burnham from even being considered. Or would they have still engineered this by-election to get him in, therefore leaving the country without a PM for ... how long? Interesting scenario. I would imagine KS would have stayed on as caretaker PM until the party elected a new leader. Chances are it would have been a battle between Rayner and Streeting. Don't think they would have waited for Burnham's return to Westminster" Darren Jones | |||
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"What would have happened if KS had resigned on 14th May when Wes Streeting stood down as Health Secretary? Surely they would have had to initiate a leadership contest immediately, thereby preventing Andy Burnham from even being considered. Or would they have still engineered this by-election to get him in, therefore leaving the country without a PM for ... how long? Interesting scenario. I would imagine KS would have stayed on as caretaker PM until the party elected a new leader. Chances are it would have been a battle between Rayner and Streeting. Don't think they would have waited for Burnham's return to Westminster Darren Jones" Had to look him up as had never heard of him. | |||
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"For gods sake lets keep Starmer in power as long as possible. If you think the country is in a bad state now, just wait and see what a complete cock Burnham will make of it! We need someone who understands economics for Gods sake.." So let's XPD Rayner, whoever takes over. | |||
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"Four ministerial aides quit and now the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood calling on him to resign. Plus 72 backbenchers. Looks inevitable to me. " And yet here we are, 5 weeks since the original post, and just like one of those rancid, nauseating, putrid stinks that wont go away, the vile creature still squats in No 10 ..... | |||
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"Burnham is worse than starmer ,,,he's already made 2 u turns and he's not even been elected , " They all make u-turns. It’s nothing new. | |||
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"I first noticed Starmer amongst the Brexit/post brexit H of C lobby interviews that Channel 4 news would do. All manner of folks and points of view.He stood out then as being manifestly an empty shirt. Not someone able to deliver policy, the essential requirement of good government. He has made changes of in-government policy and message which were just incompetent. Also, and for some reason really annoying, he sent the King to the current White House.A spineless and disgraceful decision. KC played a blinder of course but he should not have had to go. "I share your concerns about Keir Starmer’s performance as PM, but I think there’s a misunderstanding on this point. King Charles III’s visit to the White House was by direct invitation from the US President. In the UK, the Prime Minister leads the government, while the King is Head of State. For official State Visits, the invitation always comes from the other country’s Head of State - in this case, the US President. Downing Street and the Palace do work together on the planning and diplomatic goals, but the Prime Minister doesn’t “send” the King. The invitation comes from the White House, not from No. 10. Starmer sending the King would be like the head office clerk sending the chairman of the board! God forbid! 😊 Thankfully as you say, King Charles's performance was just what we would expect of a British Sovereign. | |||
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"Four ministerial aides quit and now the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood calling on him to resign. Plus 72 backbenchers. Looks inevitable to me. " He's a soulless evil man. He will never leave. | |||
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"Rumour has it that if Andy Burnham returns to Westminster and does force his way into Downing Street, then he would make Ed Silliband chancellor! So he's perhaps not such a wise and clever choice for PM." The finance markets do not like his plans , like taking back control of utilities. Given that we need to finance £875bn of gilts, that's a big deal. Borrowing costs are already worse than under Truss. | |||
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