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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. " Very true x | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. " Three words..Robert Yaxley Lennon. To both marches credit & I assume good policing… mostly peaceful. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right" There is NO such thing as the ‘far right’ only Daily Fail readers and watchers of the BBC believe that. Never mind baaaa baaaa | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. Three words..Robert Yaxley Lennon. To both marches credit & I assume good policing… mostly peaceful." You got his name wrong ,, it's Stephen not Robert ,, but don't worry he gets it wrong himself ,, calls himself Tommy for some reason | |||
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"The problem is that people always look to blame someone else for their problems when they should be looking in the mirror " That’s a very broad generic statement, can you explain in more detail please? | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. Three words..Robert Yaxley Lennon. To both marches credit & I assume good policing… mostly peaceful. You got his name wrong ,, it's Stephen not Robert ,, but don't worry he gets it wrong himself ,, calls himself Tommy for some reason " And Reg Dwight calls himself Elton | |||
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"The problem is, it's not the protest itself it's who is fronting it and the underlaying of the tone of it all. I also think the pro Palestine protest as gone on too long as well and that's gone so far that it's looped round to being as bad as the unite the kingdom march as well." 🇬🇧 Unite the Kingdom need to go on tour because Scotland are definitely wavering 🏴 | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. Three words..Robert Yaxley Lennon. To both marches credit & I assume good policing… mostly peaceful. You got his name wrong ,, it's Stephen not Robert ,, but don't worry he gets it wrong himself ,, calls himself Tommy for some reason And Reg Dwight calls himself Elton I don't know either personally but my guess is Reg & Stephen aren't friends | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right" far right? What with israil' and iran suporters? Kind of doubt it was organised and run by the far right. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right There is NO such thing as the ‘far right’ only Daily Fail readers and watchers of the BBC believe that. Never mind baaaa baaaa" In politics, the term "far right" refers to an ideology situated at the extreme end of the right-wing spectrum. It is typically characterized by extreme nationalism, nativism, strict social hierarchy, and authoritarian tendencies.The concept is an umbrella term encompassing a variety of related ideologies and themes. Core Ideological Pillars Extreme Nationalism: The belief that the nation-state is supreme, often combined with an "us vs. them" mentality that prioritizes the dominant ethnic or cultural group. Nativism and Anti-Immigration: A strong opposition to immigration and globalization, driven by the view that native culture or jobs need strict protection from outside influence. Authoritarianism: A preference for strong, centralized leadership and a belief that individual liberties can or should be subordinated to maintain social order. Traditionalism: A focus on enforcing or returning to "traditional" social structures, religious morality, and conservative family values. Ideological Variations The far-right is not a single, unified movement, but rather spans a spectrum of political groups and beliefs: Radical Right (Populist): Focuses heavily on anti-immigration, national sovereignty, and anti-establishment populism. These parties generally operate within democratic systems but push illiberal policies. This is just copy and pasted from Google... Sounds pretty familiar right? | |||
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"The problem is that people always look to blame someone else for their problems when they should be looking in the mirror " And what would that mirror tell them? That they are the ones actively supporting an ongoing invasion? | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. Three words..Robert Yaxley Lennon. To both marches credit & I assume good policing… mostly peaceful. You got his name wrong ,, it's Stephen not Robert ,, but don't worry he gets it wrong himself ,, calls himself Tommy for some reason " Where did I get that..? Oh well Stephen many names… | |||
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" the government and the media have succeeded in dividing the country and now everyone is perceived to be either far left or far right there’s no in between. But I do see one side as very dangerous openly spreading hate violence and their ideals are the most dangerous of all. I’m sorry a lot won’t like hearing this but it’s the left. Don’t let your kids go to university they are evil institutions and they all have agendas " No violence from the right then? | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too If only it was as simple as just words… | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right There is NO such thing as the ‘far right’ only Daily Fail readers and watchers of the BBC believe that. Never mind baaaa baaaa In politics, the term "far right" refers to an ideology situated at the extreme end of the right-wing spectrum. It is typically characterized by extreme nationalism, nativism, strict social hierarchy, and authoritarian tendencies.The concept is an umbrella term encompassing a variety of related ideologies and themes. Core Ideological Pillars Extreme Nationalism: The belief that the nation-state is supreme, often combined with an "us vs. them" mentality that prioritizes the dominant ethnic or cultural group. Nativism and Anti-Immigration: A strong opposition to immigration and globalization, driven by the view that native culture or jobs need strict protection from outside influence. Authoritarianism: A preference for strong, centralized leadership and a belief that individual liberties can or should be subordinated to maintain social order. Traditionalism: A focus on enforcing or returning to "traditional" social structures, religious morality, and conservative family values. Ideological Variations The far-right is not a single, unified movement, but rather spans a spectrum of political groups and beliefs: Radical Right (Populist): Focuses heavily on anti-immigration, national sovereignty, and anti-establishment populism. These parties generally operate within democratic systems but push illiberal policies. This is just copy and pasted from Google... Sounds pretty familiar right? " Almost all those things sound pretty great to me. Certainly better than 50 years of neoliberalism. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right" . It's been organized by people who care. Far right is just a deliberate jeer | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too it’s still 2-tier policing- but let’s just gloss over that | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too I think the myth of 2 tier policing got debunked at the last march , when Yaxleys lot actually seemed to behave as though they were on a political rally rather than a mob wanting to attack the police , and when they did so the police didn't have to draw their battons or wear riot gear ,, from the pictures I have seen it looked like the thug element didn't show which is maybe why the numbers were considerably down | |||
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"Why is it when white British people do a protest march it is deemed as far right, most of the people I saw on the march were middle age or elderly, behaving in an orderly manner, with no right wing banners or chanting. Just genuine British people concerned about being heard. Ok for pro palestinian , anti jewish marches. " So if you're middle aged and elderly you can't be far right | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right" Very true | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too or maybe it was just regular folk gathering to show they are mostly decent law abiding citizens- looking for a change in government- must’ve been so annoying for some to see the reality | |||
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"Whilst acknowledging in a free society we have a right to demonstrate I really cannot see the point in them. Do governments take any notice of them? Doubt it. Does anybody? Cannot see the Israeli government altering course because a few thousand people demonstrate in a city thousands of miles away. The Gazan authorities probably have a good laugh if they see newsreels from London with banners saying 'Poofs for Palestine' or 'Gays for Gaza'. As for the Toomy Robinson type marches people just seem to envisage trouble even if they are peaceful and there is no clashes with counter-demonstrators. Usually means extra policing at extra tax-payers expense." Many of the things we take for granted now were all achieved through protest. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too If you're entitled to gather then do it, I say. Too many people think they know the attendees. They really don't. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too And it may be an indication that if thugs stay away the political point may be heard ,, although still find it amusing when Yaxleys lot moan of 2 tier policing when they have previously attacked police lines and yet they don't see the 2 tier element of pensioners sitting down holding placards and being arrested | |||
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"Based off my comments on this thread. I got a PM that simply read: "Death to all Muslims" Obviously you've been reported. Are these the words of a proud patriotic Englishman? So proud you send me a PM rather than say it in public. Or are these the words of a knuckle dragging hate filled racist? " Disgusting, imagine writing that about Jews! Just because they've gone underground and so we don't hear that much about them as a result no-one should think that British National Socialism is a thing of the past. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right Very true You really need to look deeper than the Daily Fail and BBC for your information. My teacher once told me ‘if you’ve not read up on FACTS it’s probably best not to involve yourself in adult arguments. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too nothing happened on this march did it ? Or the last one - was a nice calm gathering- how absolutely irritating | |||
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"Whilst acknowledging in a free society we have a right to demonstrate I really cannot see the point in them. Do governments take any notice of them? Doubt it. Does anybody? Cannot see the Israeli government altering course because a few thousand people demonstrate in a city thousands of miles away. The Gazan authorities probably have a good laugh if they see newsreels from London with banners saying 'Poofs for Palestine' or 'Gays for Gaza'. As for the Toomy Robinson type marches people just seem to envisage trouble even if they are peaceful and there is no clashes with counter-demonstrators. Usually means extra policing at extra tax-payers expense. Many of the things we take for granted now were all achieved through protest." Yes they were. Governments in the past did listen to protests about greater democracy, workers rights etc. Don't think governments listen these days. Put most protests down as a jolly, a day out. Still say protesting against another government thousands of miles away is pointless. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the place for politics but since you ask it’s because it’s been organised by the far right Very true Mmmm the facts | |||
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"Whilst acknowledging in a free society we have a right to demonstrate I really cannot see the point in them. Do governments take any notice of them? Doubt it. Does anybody? Cannot see the Israeli government altering course because a few thousand people demonstrate in a city thousands of miles away. The Gazan authorities probably have a good laugh if they see newsreels from London with banners saying 'Poofs for Palestine' or 'Gays for Gaza'. As for the Toomy Robinson type marches people just seem to envisage trouble even if they are peaceful and there is no clashes with counter-demonstrators. Usually means extra policing at extra tax-payers expense. Many of the things we take for granted now were all achieved through protest. Yes they were. Governments in the past did listen to protests about greater democracy, workers rights etc. Don't think governments listen these days. Put most protests down as a jolly, a day out. Still say protesting against another government thousands of miles away is pointless." The purpose of the pro-Palestine marches is not to illicit change in Tel Aviv directly but to encourage their own governments to change their stances and cease their blind support of a fascist regime guilty of deplorable crimes against humanity. Only pressure (political, financial and even military) from the rest of the world will guarantee this change. You may well be right and the current government will refuse to listen (it is, after all, the most openly Zionist government in living history) but this government can't go on forever and change will eventually come. If parties want to achieve power they must listen to the people. Or are we not living in a democracy? Either way, marching out in the street to decry injustice is far better than doing nothing at all and effectively condoning it. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too Good that it was calmer , it allowed the yaxley lot to explain their stance in a more measured way ,,, I have never been on a political rally but have attended football matches to an extent where I can quickly work out the thug element and the normal fan attending the games ,,when I have seen previous footage of yaxleys marches it apparent there was a large contingent of the thug element this was not as apparent last weekend | |||
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" You may well be right and the current government will refuse to listen (it is, after all, the most openly Zionist government in living history) but this government can't go on forever and change will eventually come. If parties want to achieve power they must listen to the people. Or are we not living in a democracy? Either way, marching out in the street to decry injustice is far better than doing nothing at all and effectively condoning it." | |||
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" You may well be right and the current government will refuse to listen (it is, after all, the most openly Zionist government in living history) but this government can't go on forever and change will eventually come. If parties want to achieve power they must listen to the people. Or are we not living in a democracy? Either way, marching out in the street to decry injustice is far better than doing nothing at all and effectively condoning it. I find the actions of the current government incredibly authoritarian, however, i remain optimistic that a sea change will eventually come. The only problem at the moment is that i can't imagine any of the bigger political parties acting any differently. | |||
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"The seething hatred so many have for Jews nowadays is very startling to see. I have my issues with Israel and hate how it pulls the "any criticism of us is bigotry" defence. And undeniably Israel has done very bad things. But what do random Jews living in England have to do with any of that?" I completely agree. I live in Finchley, North London, which has the highest population of Iranians in the UK. Next door is Golders Green with one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people. I have friends from both communities and, despite what people may think, they are quite friendly towards each other and peacefully co-exist side by side. There have been well documented attacks on the Jewish community for many years, and these have escalated recently as most of us know. It seems that most of the attackers are from outside the area, attacking innocent people, and it is totally uncalled for. | |||
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"The seething hatred so many have for Jews nowadays is very startling to see. I have my issues with Israel and hate how it pulls the "any criticism of us is bigotry" defence. And undeniably Israel has done very bad things. But what do random Jews living in England have to do with any of that? I completely agree. I live in Finchley, North London, which has the highest population of Iranians in the UK. Next door is Golders Green with one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people. I have friends from both communities and, despite what people may think, they are quite friendly towards each other and peacefully co-exist side by side. There have been well documented attacks on the Jewish community for many years, and these have escalated recently as most of us know. It seems that most of the attackers are from outside the area, attacking innocent people, and it is totally uncalled for." We should always keep in mind that Jew (a religion), Israel (a state) and Zionism (a political ideology) are separate entities. I know many Jews that stand against the current regime and actions of Israel. | |||
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" the government and the media have succeeded in dividing the country and now everyone is perceived to be either far left or far right there’s no in between. But I do see one side as very dangerous openly spreading hate violence and their ideals are the most dangerous of all. I’m sorry a lot won’t like hearing this but it’s the left. Don’t let your kids go to university they are evil institutions and they all have agendas " My kids went to university and, like many of their friends, had zero interest in politics or any other 'causes'. Like most students, their main priorities were partying and shagging. | |||
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"The seething hatred so many have for Jews nowadays is very startling to see. I have my issues with Israel and hate how it pulls the "any criticism of us is bigotry" defence. And undeniably Israel has done very bad things. But what do random Jews living in England have to do with any of that? I completely agree. I live in Finchley, North London, which has the highest population of Iranians in the UK. Next door is Golders Green with one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people. I have friends from both communities and, despite what people may think, they are quite friendly towards each other and peacefully co-exist side by side. There have been well documented attacks on the Jewish community for many years, and these have escalated recently as most of us know. It seems that most of the attackers are from outside the area, attacking innocent people, and it is totally uncalled for. We should always keep in mind that Jew (a religion), Israel (a state) and Zionism (a political ideology) are separate entities. I know many Jews that stand against the current regime and actions of Israel." I know a few secular Jews as well, with no interest in religion. There are also some Christian Jews. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too Double standards… it’s only words, after all. Pms meant to intimidate someone who purely provided definitions of degrees of belief, just words. But sent with an implicit threat, words are powerful. Ask any great orator…from Martin Luther King to Adolf Hitler and many more, agree or disagree with their messages but it is never just words. | |||
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"The seething hatred so many have for Jews nowadays is very startling to see. I have my issues with Israel and hate how it pulls the "any criticism of us is bigotry" defence. And undeniably Israel has done very bad things. But what do random Jews living in England have to do with any of that? I completely agree. I live in Finchley, North London, which has the highest population of Iranians in the UK. Next door is Golders Green with one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people. I have friends from both communities and, despite what people may think, they are quite friendly towards each other and peacefully co-exist side by side. There have been well documented attacks on the Jewish community for many years, and these have escalated recently as most of us know. It seems that most of the attackers are from outside the area, attacking innocent people, and it is totally uncalled for." I know an Iranian guy who lives in Iran. Lovely guy. I hope he's doing alright as I haven't heard from him in a while. It just sickens me to see people running defence for the Islamic extremists going around stabbing random Jews. They'd do it to Christians too if they could. What I think a lot of Pro-Palestine people don't get is that a lot of Palestinians, not all, but enough for it to be a problem, are so extreme even other Muslim countries don't want them. That's the group so many in Britain today are protesting for. | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too what were the words then ? You seem to know what was deemed offensive & by whose standards? - our wonderful police have chosen their side & arrest people for ridiculous things these days & it all just goes into one pot labelled “far right “ - some of us can see a bigger picture playing out here & some choose their bits they don’t like | |||
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"11 of the arrests on Saturday were for WORDS- noises made with people’s faces & I see 1X girl get arrested for wearing a ridiculous costume with a plastic sword ( not sure what she was thinking) But the media love to hype up the division & now we’re all doing it on here too I was merely quoting the ‘just words’ that was used in a post. Making the point that it is never just words, from either side…ref the two orators I mentioned…somewhat opposing in views. I have no insight as to what is deemed acceptable and not, however if ‘the bigger picture’ that has the spotlight .. I don’t know what that is, but pensioners arrested for pro Palestine banners & arrests for banners on the other march in town on Sunday seems pretty even handed to me, wether I agree or disagree with either sides ‘words’ | |||
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